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« Reply #4200 on: February 2, 2019, 12:22:35 AM »
Not much room for furthur injuries now, would be a huge shame if we let this lead slip due to injuries.

We're not letting this slip.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4201 on: February 2, 2019, 12:25:22 AM »
Jill - you should have realised following that disastrous run of results after Joe got injured. Thank fuck the powers that be decided to gift all those three point wins to us with Joe not there.

 To be fair to the guy who posted the pessimism, we do all know how much we do miss the lad. He was arguably our best defender - even with Virgil, Trent and Robbo. It's just that....well you know...it's not the way Shanks wanted us to react to such things. Nor Kloppie.

Absolutely I am gutted for Joe, as you say he was having a very good season, but injuries happen ad we all know. I'm sure the manager will sort it.
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« Reply #4202 on: February 2, 2019, 12:33:07 AM »
Jill - you should have realised following that disastrous run of results after Joe got injured. Thank fuck the powers that be decided to gift all those three point wins to us with Joe not there.

 To be fair to the guy who posted the pessimism, we do all know how much we do miss the lad. He was arguably our best defender - even with Virgil, Trent and Robbo. It's just that....well you know...it's not the way Shanks wanted us to react to such things. Nor Kloppie.

I very much agree that Gomez or not, we won't be derailed. But Gomez is a big miss. We conceded 5 in 14 before he got injured and have conceded 9 in 10 since then. I hope we see him again this season.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4203 on: February 2, 2019, 01:00:44 AM »
I very much agree that Gomez or not, we won't be derailed. But Gomez is a big miss. We conceded 5 in 14 before he got injured and have conceded 9 in 10 since then. I hope we see him again this season.

Gomez is a big miss no one is denying that. But the reason we're conceding more is the constant changes to the back line we're having to make. When Lovren had that run of games with Van Dijk we were still going well. But recently we are having to change virtually every game and that is bound to have an affect overall. We don't get the same rhythm and understanding that you would get with the same back line.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4204 on: February 2, 2019, 01:37:48 AM »
Shame about Joe as he is quality. However, Trent is back soon and Lovren too. We can deal with this.
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« Reply #4205 on: February 2, 2019, 03:46:59 AM »
We're gonna find out who the genuine leaders in the team are over the next few months. Sadio has long had a rep as a moody, mercurial type but he showed clear leadership qualities against Leicester. Was unafraid to get on the ball and take responsibility. I think Fabinho is the same. Demands the ball and drives the team forward rather than playing it safe. We need him starting in midfield every game.

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« Reply #4206 on: February 2, 2019, 07:37:37 AM »
Is the media and opposing fans' narrative that we've been extremely fortunate with injuries and refereeing decisions still a thing?  ::)

Can we not worry about what the media and opposition fans narrative? Honestly, I dont care how we win the titel and how much luck we get on the way to winning it.

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« Reply #4207 on: February 2, 2019, 07:59:37 AM »
Lots of fans depressed that we "could have" been 7 pts clear.

But it's "only" now 5 pts.

Strange.

If all these fans who have anxiously been predicting scorelines for every single match in both our and City's fixture list were to only pause and think what has just happened...

According to them..
City "should have" beaten Newcastle.
That would have put them 1pt behind us...with us to play Leicester.

We seemed to have gained 4 pts by drawing with Leicester though  :lmao

Some people are never happy!!

Be happy with what we've got!
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What you need to realise is the two scenarios are not related to one another.

This wasn't a situation where if City get beat by Newcastle then we can only draw with Leicester. at 6pm on Wednesday you woudn't have taken a draw, so why would we 3 hours later be happy?

We are focusing on ourselves, and we need to beat teams like Leicester at home to win the title, people are well within their rights to be annoyed that we didn't stretch the lead to a 2 game cushion.

That is the key here, we failed in our attempt to have a 2 game cushion. Bare in mind we have to go to West Ham with Milner up against Felipe Anderson. We will know a lot more about this race on Tuesday.

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« Reply #4208 on: February 2, 2019, 08:08:52 AM »
What you need to realise is the two scenarios are not related to one another.

This wasn't a situation where if City get beat by Newcastle then we can only draw with Leicester. at 6pm on Wednesday you woudn't have taken a draw, so why would we 3 hours later be happy?

We are focusing on ourselves, and we need to beat teams like Leicester at home to win the title, people are well within their rights to be annoyed that we didn't stretch the lead to a 2 game cushion.

That is the key here, we failed in our attempt to have a 2 game cushion. Bare in mind we have to go to West Ham with Milner up against Felipe Anderson. We will know a lot more about this race on Tuesday.

You cannot boil the game down to just 1 game though. Statements like failing or bottling are just wrong because you have to realise that in the context of a good run, at any point you could drop points.

We have won all our games against teams outside the top 6. That was always an unsustainable achievement. The league isnt great but its not that shit.

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« Reply #4209 on: February 2, 2019, 08:12:16 AM »
You cannot boil the game down to just 1 game though. Statements like failing or bottling are just wrong because you have to realise that in the context of a good run, at any point you could drop points.

We have won all our games against teams outside the top 6. That was always an unsustainable achievement. The league isnt great but its not that shit.


I get what you're saying, but the timing of the drop points are a bit crap.

Maybe its a coincidence that we drop our first points of the season to the other 14 teams when we have our first shot of putting one hand on the title.

Skeptic in me says that was in our heads and we fluffed our lines. Again we will see Monday, arguably a harder game than Wednesday this, and it might come with City 2 behind, lets see how the lads handle that.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4210 on: February 2, 2019, 08:26:04 AM »
I get what you're saying, but the timing of the drop points are a bit crap.

Maybe its a coincidence that we drop our first points of the season to the other 14 teams when we have our first shot of putting one hand on the title.

Skeptic in me says that was in our heads and we fluffed our lines. Again we will see Monday, arguably a harder game than Wednesday this, and it might come with City 2 behind, lets see how the lads handle that.

One hand on the title. What are you on about? We're only in February its crazy this idea in some people's minds that winning the other night would have brought the title closer. There are so many games still left to be played. Our first job is to make sure we stay top and are involved in the run in, we won't be winning this league until the latter stages of the season.
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« Reply #4211 on: February 2, 2019, 08:39:49 AM »
Yeah I'm nervous, not ashamed to admit it.

Remembering 08/09, with only two defeats but the draws costing us the title.  Worrying about a makeshift defence and us potentially having to try to resort to outscoring teams again.

I'm not worried about City - their fragility speaks for itself.  But I am envious of their squad depth; and too many opposition teams still allow them to canter to victory, which puts much less physical stress on their players.

Hoping Arsenal and Chelsea can snatch a couple of draws, but the latter especially I'm hoping will offer a physical challenge to them.
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« Reply #4212 on: February 2, 2019, 08:40:47 AM »
I get what you're saying, but the timing of the drop points are a bit crap.

Maybe its a coincidence that we drop our first points of the season to the other 14 teams when we have our first shot of putting one hand on the title.

Skeptic in me says that was in our heads and we fluffed our lines. Again we will see Monday, arguably a harder game than Wednesday this, and it might come with City 2 behind, lets see how the lads handle that.

But why is Monday different to any day last December? Or November? Where then we were level or behind, City were winning and so were we? Were we showing good mental strength there?

We were 7 points ahead at the start of January. Did we have one hand on the title then? Also if we did are you saying that at any point which we drop points from that moment on, we have bottled it?

Sometimes you have to accept that teams can stop you winning. Leicester have beaten City and Chelsea and have some brilliant players. A draw was not bad.

For me this is encapsulated by the Spurs debate. They lose one game and go 9 points back and they are out of it. They gain two points one week and now they are back in it. Its pretty mad to think like that.
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« Reply #4213 on: February 2, 2019, 09:03:12 AM »
I don't think we fluffed our lines. We're a team that thrives in rythym and consistency. January has been horribly disjointed by injury and weird periods between games and we're clearly into a second fitness period where the idea is to have is peak again in a month. Meanwhile City have been swatting aside lower league clowns and relegation fodder every 3rd day. The Newcastle result gave us a massive unexpected chance.

Not to get into the duality of man but, you can be a believer and nauseous about the title challenge in parallel. No one doesn't want us to do it, and anyone who brings nervousness into the ground can fuck off. Getting to March still in the lead matters now. I really think we can do it but buckle in for the next 4 weeks to be a grind. Wednesday's problem was City may not give up too many chances to pull away, it'd be nice to have taken it. The draw wasn't a disaster. But you know, i'd be happy to win the league on goal difference. Get to March with reinforements coming rather than hanging on. 

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« Reply #4214 on: February 2, 2019, 09:06:08 AM »
But why is Monday different to any day last December? Or November? Where then we were level or behind, City were winning and so were we? Were we showing good mental strength there?

We were 7 points ahead at the start of January. Did we have one hand on the title then? Also if we did are you saying that at any point which we drop points from that moment on, we have bottled it?

Sometimes you have to accept that teams can stop you winning. Leicester have beaten City and Chelsea and have some brilliant players. A draw was not bad.

For me this is encapsulated by the Spurs debate. They lose one game and go 9 points back and they are out of it. They gain two points one week and now they are back in it. Its pretty mad to think like that.

Yes we did to be honest, hence why City celebrated it like they won the title, because they knew they got themselves back into it with a MUST WIN.

If you don't think one of the best teams in the world being able to afford to lose TWICE in in 14 games isnt a hand on the title, then you seriously underestimate how good us and City are to be honest.

We're probably the best 2 teams in the world.

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« Reply #4215 on: February 2, 2019, 09:09:35 AM »
Yes we did to be honest, hence why City celebrated it like they won the title, because they knew they got themselves back into it with a MUST WIN.

If you don't think one of the best teams in the world being able to afford to lose TWICE in in 14 games isnt a hand on the title, then you seriously underestimate how good us and City are to be honest.

We're probably the best 2 teams in the world.

So why is it that keeping up with City is just par for the course but the moment we lose or draw its us failing?

Basically you are saying we need to win every game otherwise its a failure.

City have lost 4 times already and we just finished January. Are they really THAT good? By the way, we have taken advantage, because we are 5 points clear.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4216 on: February 2, 2019, 09:10:08 AM »
We're gonna find out who the genuine leaders in the team are over the next few months. Sadio has long had a rep as a moody, mercurial type but he showed clear leadership qualities against Leicester. Was unafraid to get on the ball and take responsibility. I think Fabinho is the same. Demands the ball and drives the team forward rather than playing it safe. We need him starting in midfield every game.

Are you just assuming that or do you have evidence of that?
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« Reply #4217 on: February 2, 2019, 09:11:43 AM »
So why is it that keeping up with City is just par for the course but the moment we lose or draw its us failing?

Basically you are saying we need to win every game otherwise its a failure.

City have lost 4 times already and we just finished January. Are they really THAT good?

In the grand scheme of things we are not failing, we are in the midst of the best season I've ever seen.

But in that one moment in time, when we could go 7 points clear with a win at home, we failed.

It isn't black and white, it isn't a case of we either fail or we don't. There's big moments everywhere

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« Reply #4218 on: February 2, 2019, 09:15:53 AM »
In the grand scheme of things we are not failing, we are in the midst of the best season I've ever seen.

But in that one moment in time, when we could go 7 points clear with a win at home, we failed.

It isn't black and white, it isn't a case of we either fail or we don't. There's big moments everywhere

You are the one making it black and white the second you mention words like failing. Its like when another poster said we had our biggest moment of the season and we failed (the loss against City).

I am sorry but if you are going to use words like that to losses away to a supposed amazing side like City then thats idiotic.

Its also odd that one or two games where you drop points invokes failure but the shit tonne of times we have won in difficult games or circumstances thats just brushed aside.
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« Reply #4219 on: February 2, 2019, 09:18:05 AM »
Yeah I'm nervous, not ashamed to admit it.

Remembering 08/09, with only two defeats but the draws costing us the title.  Worrying about a makeshift defence and us potentially having to try to resort to outscoring teams again.

I'm not worried about City - their fragility speaks for itself.  But I am envious of their squad depth; and too many opposition teams still allow them to canter to victory, which puts much less physical stress on their players.

Hoping Arsenal and Chelsea can snatch a couple of draws, but the latter especially I'm hoping will offer a physical challenge to them.

It could just be that this title chasing malarky isnt really for us.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4220 on: February 2, 2019, 09:20:40 AM »
The Gomez surgery news makes City favourite. Matip and Lovren are injury prone which is likely to mean fabinho is needed back thereby weakening in midfield creativity wise. Gomez's pace is also a great weapon to cover TAA who is prone to lapses.
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« Reply #4221 on: February 2, 2019, 09:21:06 AM »
It's taken me a few days to catch up with this thread...  :odd

I get what you're saying, but the timing of the drop points are a bit crap.



...and I was just coming on to say the opposite - I think if we were going to drop points this was perhaps the best time to do it. If City had won on Tuesday then the narrative after our game would have been about they applying the pressure and we faltering under the strain. As it is, the heat is on City going into perhaps the most challenging run of fixtures they will have for the rest of the season while we are just seen as suffering from 'nerves' which are quite understandable.

Yes, it's annoying that we didn't take all three points having taken the lead (leave aside the fact we should have won if the Referee had done his job properly) but I see Wednesday as a free pass that we quite happily took. It should also be a sharp reminder to keep our standards up without being to demoralising a result.

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« Reply #4222 on: February 2, 2019, 09:24:48 AM »
Now is not the time to be using words like "failed".

We had an indecisive battle against Leicester; we have no way of knowing if it will cost us the war.

I mean, jeez, if that's failure then wtf did City do against Newcastle?
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« Reply #4223 on: February 2, 2019, 09:29:57 AM »
Now is not the time to be using words like "failed".

We had an indecisive battle against Leicester; we have no way of knowing if it will cost us the war.

I mean, jeez, if that's failure then wtf did City do against Newcastle?

There's a different rule for City, they smash all teams in their path - as evident by being 5 points behind after their 4th loss of the campaign.

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« Reply #4224 on: February 2, 2019, 09:30:44 AM »
Now is not the time to be using words like "failed".

We had an indecisive battle against Leicester; we have no way of knowing if it will cost us the war.

I mean, jeez, if that's failure then wtf did City do against Newcastle?

Failed?

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« Reply #4225 on: February 2, 2019, 09:37:43 AM »
You are the one making it black and white the second you mention words like failing. Its like when another poster said we had our biggest moment of the season and we failed (the loss against City).

I am sorry but if you are going to use words like that to losses away to a supposed amazing side like City then thats idiotic.

Its also odd that one or two games where you drop points invokes failure but the shit tonne of times we have won in difficult games or circumstances thats just brushed aside.


The reason why some people are sceptical, it's because we aren't winning routinely. We almost bottled it against Palace, and we surely did against Leicester. Some games we've won purely on luck ( Everton game comes to my mind), and the Red Star game was a bad indication that some of our players might be mentally weak. We have the quality to win routinely though, we just need our top players to perform at their top, our midfield needs a rocket up their arse, and hopefully we won't suffer from injuries any longer.
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« Reply #4226 on: February 2, 2019, 09:50:05 AM »
For two days I've been having nightmares of Martin Atkinson and that ball on the "line" against City. I woke up a new man today. It became even more clear than before that we were 4 points up and now we're 5 points up. Man, that's great. I'm happy. They got to play Arsenal and Chelsea in their next 3 games, so lets hope they drop some points there, cos it'd be difficult for us to win all our games including Utd and Everton's biggest game of the season. We have to be prepared to drop points here and there sometimes, and we should be happy that City dropped all 3 at Newcastle.
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« Reply #4227 on: February 2, 2019, 09:52:09 AM »
I think it's a bit lazy to blame our defensive issues on injuries. Against Leicester it was Robinson and Becker that caused the most problems, and VVD was also not his usual stellar self. They seemed a bit unfocused, maybe lack of matches? Robinson seems to be like those dogs that need a good 90 min daily run to feel well.

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« Reply #4228 on: February 2, 2019, 09:53:08 AM »
If we don’t go on to win it, a lot of you can at least console yourselves with the fact that you’ll have got exactly what you deserve  :wave

You’re literally just jumping all over any tiny setback to whine, it’s absolutely incredible to see. People having pages of debate about the players bottling it. There’s only one group who are bottling it right now and it certainly isn’t the players.
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« Reply #4229 on: February 2, 2019, 09:53:31 AM »

The reason why some people are sceptical, it's because we aren't winning routinely. We almost bottled it against Palace, and we surely did against Leicester. Some games we've won purely on luck ( Everton game comes to my mind), and the Red Star game was a bad indication that some of our players might be mentally weak. We have the quality to win routinely though, we just need our top players to perform at their top, our midfield needs a rocket up their arse, and hopefully we won't suffer from injuries any longer.

There you go. Bottling it and words like that.

How did we almost bottle it against Palace? We beat Palace in a tough game. You cannot win every game routinely and if its not routine, you have almost bottled it?

You cite the Red Star game but forget then we had a must win game against Napoli, a very tough side, and we deservedly won. That took massive mental strength, as did Palace where we were losing.

You dont call players who have got 61 points in such quick time mentally weak. You just dont. They are a better side than any in the past two yearsa dn that includes those sides that people bang on all the time about.

People need to appreciate this side and not be throwing words like bottling or failing. Its the best side we have had in ages. That Rafa team for example wishes it was better than this one.
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« Reply #4230 on: February 2, 2019, 09:55:13 AM »
The reason why some people are sceptical, it's because we aren't winning routinely. We almost bottled it against Palace, and we surely did against Leicester. Some games we've won purely on luck ( Everton game comes to my mind), and the Red Star game was a bad indication that some of our players might be mentally weak. We have the quality to win routinely though, we just need our top players to perform at their top, our midfield needs a rocket up their arse, and hopefully we won't suffer from injuries any longer.

And when City first dragged themselves over the line against United they almost bottled it too.  It takes nerves of steel to win the title so wobbles are to be expected, especially with injuries and players having to fill stop gaps.

Whether it costs us the title remains to be seen, but we've shown huge character to get this far and we're smart enough to know we're not invulnerable.
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« Reply #4231 on: February 2, 2019, 09:56:21 AM »
I don't think we fluffed our lines. We're a team that thrives in rhythm and consistency. January has been horribly disjointed by injury and weird periods between games and we're clearly into a second fitness period where the idea is to have is peak again in a month. Meanwhile City have been swatting aside lower league clowns and relegation fodder every 3rd day. The Newcastle result gave us a massive unexpected chance.

Not to get into the duality of man but, you can be a believer and nauseous about the title challenge in parallel. No one doesn't want us to do it, and anyone who brings nervousness into the ground can fuck off. Getting to March still in the lead matters now. I really think we can do it but buckle in for the next 4 weeks to be a grind. Wednesday's problem was City may not give up too many chances to pull away, it'd be nice to have taken it. The draw wasn't a disaster. But you know, i'd be happy to win the league on goal difference. Get to March with reinforements coming rather than hanging on. 

Amen. We'll get back to it, and we've still got a lead. It's a tough period. We can do it.
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« Reply #4232 on: February 2, 2019, 09:56:30 AM »
I think it's a bit lazy to blame our defensive issues on injuries. Against Leicester it was Robinson and Becker that caused the most problems, and VVD was also not his usual stellar self. They seemed a bit unfocused, maybe lack of matches? Robinson seems to be like those dogs that need a good 90 min daily run to feel well.

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« Reply #4233 on: February 2, 2019, 09:58:11 AM »
The reason why some people are sceptical, it's because we aren't winning routinely. We almost bottled it against Palace, and we surely did against Leicester. Some games we've won purely on luck ( Everton game comes to my mind), and the Red Star game was a bad indication that some of our players might be mentally weak. We have the quality to win routinely though, we just need our top players to perform at their top, our midfield needs a rocket up their arse, and hopefully we won't suffer from injuries any longer.

What team has ever won a title winning routinely every single week? Even last season I can remember City having plenty of scabby, not particularly deserved late wins. "We almost bottled it"  ;D What the fuck does that crap even mean? How is coming from a goal down via dreadful officiating to win a game nearly bottling it? I'm fascinated to know.

On the plus side, if that's bad bottling then what the hell does that say about the club who lost at home to Palace and got schooled in the week by a bunch of lads who wouldn't stand out in the Championship.

Some shit in here, and will probably get much worse when Tottenham win later.

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« Reply #4234 on: February 2, 2019, 09:58:17 AM »
If we don’t go on to win it, a lot of you can at least console yourselves with the fact that you’ll have got exactly what you deserve  :wave

You’re literally just jumping all over any tiny setback to whine, it’s absolutely incredible to see. People having pages of debate about the players bottling it. There’s only one group who are bottling it right now and it certainly isn’t the players.

Said a few months ago people would nearly enjoy mid table mediocrity at bit more, then their moans would hold some credence. The fucking state of some people  :lmao :lmao

If we're bottlers what does that make every team below us in the Football League pyramid? When we 'bottle' it we win narrowly or draw. When the rest 'bottle' it they lose to relegation fodder. I'm fine with that.
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« Reply #4235 on: February 2, 2019, 09:59:38 AM »
Said a few months ago people would nearly enjoy mid table mediocrity at bit more, then their moans would hold some credence. The fucking state of some people  :lmao :lmao

Yep. I think its clear that for many, this title chasing business is not for them. Top four is their everything. Its the right amount of achievement/pressure balance they can handle.

They should leave the title challenge for the adults.

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« Reply #4236 on: February 2, 2019, 10:00:29 AM »
The reason why some people are sceptical, it's because we aren't winning routinely. We almost bottled it against Palace, and we surely did against Leicester. Some games we've won purely on luck ( Everton game comes to my mind), and the Red Star game was a bad indication that some of our players might be mentally weak. We have the quality to win routinely though, we just need our top players to perform at their top, our midfield needs a rocket up their arse, and hopefully we won't suffer from injuries any longer.

You like you use the word bottle a lot in your post and towards this team. If Liverpool are bottlers this season, what does that make City who lost to both Palace and Leicester? We are in a tough battle, points will be lost from time to time. It doesn't mean a team bottles it, somedays some other teams are just more affective, or some times the ball doesn't quite run for you. We are a rhythm team, our best games come when we are playing one game after another. When you are coming out of the busy Christmas period there is sometimes a point when teams struggle, especially with the defensive injuries. So stop using the term bottlers, and realise a season has setbacks in it, its totally natural its always happened in the game and always will. But currently we are five points clear at the top of the table and that is a long way from bottling anything.
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« Reply #4237 on: February 2, 2019, 10:04:39 AM »
What Gomez surgery news?

The boss said yesterday Gomez may need sugery to cure the injury, he is due to see a specialist soon.
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« Reply #4238 on: February 2, 2019, 10:07:43 AM »
Said a few months ago people would nearly enjoy mid table mediocrity at bit more, then their moans would hold some credence. The fucking state of some people  :lmao :lmao

I’m genuinely waiting for the moment someone posts ‘well why the fuck did we sell Markovic?!  :no

We’re in a good position. The injuries to the right side of defence are annoying. City lost De Bruyne for most of the season, Mendy for most of the season, I think Ederson might be injured now? I know they’ve had other important players out. Spurs have got Kane and Alli injured, had injuries elsewhere. It happens, you battle through it. Never did I expect to see people moaning about loaning Clyne and selling Klavan, yet here we are and it’s a daily occurrence and has been for a month.

In terms of injuries, I’d say the top three are all about even so far. It’s not some mega curse, we’ve all lost important players and it’s impacted form. Yet we’re five clear, we’ve got players coming back and we’ve got fewer games than our rivals.

Just fucking relax and enjoy it. It really shouldn’t be a grind when your side is in this position. I swear some would rather snap their fingers and be in June as champions rather than actually watch us do it.
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« Reply #4239 on: February 2, 2019, 10:09:29 AM »
There you go. Bottling it and words like that.

How did we almost bottle it against Palace? We beat Palace in a tough game. You cannot win every game routinely and if its not routine, you have almost bottled it?

You cite the Red Star game but forget then we had a must win game against Napoli, a very tough side, and we deservedly won. That took massive mental strength, as did Palace where we were losing.

You dont call players who have got 61 points in such quick time mentally weak. You just dont. They are a better side than any in the past two yearsa dn that includes those sides that people bang on all the time about.

People need to appreciate this side and not be throwing words like bottling or failing. Its the best side we have had in ages. That Rafa team for example wishes it was better than this one.

I'm aware of that what you're saying, and I don't disagree with you - but the medal has two sides and we're discussing them both, and "calculating" which side will triumph in the end.
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