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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4160 on: February 1, 2019, 04:47:40 PM »
I think that bears saying too. Klopp knows how to win titles. He's been in this position before.

So do most of the players, it has to be said
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4161 on: February 1, 2019, 05:39:56 PM »
So do most of the players, it has to be said

I thought only Sturridge, Milner, and Shaq have won titles.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4162 on: February 1, 2019, 05:48:51 PM »
I thought only Sturridge, Milner, and Shaq have won titles.

VVD won with Celtic

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4163 on: February 1, 2019, 05:57:03 PM »
VVD won with Celtic

Almost doesnít count. :D

Good that he has won some but doubt he had to keep his nerve during the run in too many times!

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4164 on: February 1, 2019, 06:08:08 PM »
Almost doesnít count. :D

Good that he has won some but doubt he had to keep his nerve during the run in too many times!

Haha true! Let's not count Mo at Chelsea :)

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4165 on: February 1, 2019, 06:10:49 PM »
I thought only Sturridge, Milner, and Shaq have won titles.

Sturridge, Milner, Shaq, Keita, Lovren, Becker, Mane, Gini, Van Dijk, Fabinho, Salah all have at least one league title to their name.

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Fabinho----Lovren----VVD----Milner
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That's our league-winning 11 right there ;D
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4166 on: February 1, 2019, 07:41:57 PM »
That right there dismisses people saying our players lack title winning experience.
I would like to see our intensity turned up a couple of notches and to bully teams more. A few comfortable games would be nice aswell
We still have to play spurs, man united and Chelsea, those 3 alone could go anyway never mind the others we have to play.
I really see West Ham causing us problems aswell if they are up for it, which is likely under the lights etc
Could easily be 2 points come 10pm on Monday night
Long way to go yet for our first prem.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4167 on: February 1, 2019, 07:44:15 PM »
Cheers for all the responses guys, interesting to see peoples different viewpoints

I know that I watched it with zero anxiety and whilst it was a missed opportunity,we stretched our lead and that's all I care about.

Call bullshit all you like,fact is,you're wrong.

I couldn't care less if i'm right or wrong, its a forum and we're talking about football, its hardly overly important in the grand scheme of things and my post was to another poster I was having a discussion with. I simply gave my opinion on the matter and i've not once even suggested it was a bad result because it wasn't and i've said that since the game on numerous occasions.

If i'm wrong i'm wrong, its means fuck all to anything fact or not


Having been there ok Wednesday I think there's a lot of sense in here. There were a lot of weird circumstances at work, the atmosphere should have been a lot lot better of course but I do think there's a lot of mitigation in here. If you compare it to the previous game against palace when we were behind, and pegged back, the atmosphere was pretty good throughout. I think a lot played into Wednesday, and that Ultimately the same won't happen again.

Precisely my point mate, it wasn't just a normal game in normal conditions and people being spoilt little brats expecting way too much for no good reason, a lot played into the atmosphere AND the performance which I think kind of became a vicious cycle when you factor in everything. Obviously I would have preferred a better atmosphere and obviously performance but I think it was kind of understandable when you factor in the conditions, type of game, approach, officials performance and a large number of decisions. I wasn't claiming the fans should be absolved completely, nor was I claiming the players need a bollocking, simply that the conditions played into the performance and the atmosphere and the atmosphere played into the performance. Its unfortunate but from my position, I can understand to be honest.

Likewise I can understand what Klopp and Van Dijk were saying at the same time, its not a with them or against them kind of thing, you can understand from both viewpoints which you seem to feel as well. Cheers for posting that

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4168 on: February 1, 2019, 08:13:43 PM »
It could well be that the Everton players will be motivated for this as they know that their own fans are desperate for them to loose but the Everton players hate their own fans, so might try their hardest and try to piss them off. However I take your point, they are shite.
Don't do it to yourself mate. I've been doing it since 2001 and it's not worth it. I stopped takig notice of their matches vs rivals in our last title challenge.

No rival will ever drop points against Everton in a game where it will benefit us- even if Everton tried. City can drop points against anyone else they face from here on out, but not Everton. The BS MAY someday win when it's not important.

Everton are just not up to it. That's a nothing match. There's more chance of City dropping points against Sheffield United.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4169 on: February 1, 2019, 08:29:13 PM »
Everton are shite.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4170 on: February 1, 2019, 08:59:10 PM »
Silva seems a bit of a c*nt and would want to endear himself to the fans because they've more or less figured him out so if they were any good they'd still play that game at a snail's pace and hope to lose. But it doesn't matter. They're fucking shit and are losing to City anyway even if they decide to turn up.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4171 on: February 1, 2019, 09:08:10 PM »
There isnt a single hope of Everton not allowing them to win.

If you have even 1% of hope, watch the below video and right the game off. It literally ends with City winning, focus on Arsenal then Chelsea.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4172 on: February 1, 2019, 09:13:37 PM »
Don't do it to yourself mate. I've been doing it since 2001 and it's not worth it. I stopped takig notice of their matches vs rivals in our last title challenge.

No rival will ever drop points against Everton in a game where it will benefit us- even if Everton tried. City can drop points against anyone else they face from here on out, but not Everton. The BS MAY someday win when it's not important.

Everton are just not up to it. That's a nothing match. There's more chance of City dropping points against Sheffield United.

What about when they drew 0-0 with Chelsea earlier in the season?

Yes I know Chelsea are miles behind us now but they werenít at the time.


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« Reply #4173 on: February 1, 2019, 09:18:34 PM »
What about when they drew 0-0 with Chelsea earlier in the season?

Yes I know Chelsea are miles behind us now but they werenít at the time.



The game on the 11th November?! You cannot compare that game to this one, City are the only hope of stopping LFC winning the title, most of them c*nts would take going down for us to not win the title.

Silva would be hounded out if they won City, I betEverton players know themselves it isnt worth their time beating City.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4174 on: February 1, 2019, 09:51:03 PM »
I don't mind us losing points to Leicester as:

1) they're recent champions and it would be wrong to underestimate em
2) Plenty of extenuating circumstances like no right-back, injuries, shit weather
3) City lost and we technically increased our lead

We should batter West Ham. Look at our fixtures and I think we can beat everyone. Yes, even Man U away ;)
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4175 on: February 1, 2019, 09:52:47 PM »
I don't mind us losing to Leicester as:

1) they're recent champions and it would be wrong to underestimate em
2) Plenty of extenuating circumstances like no right-back, injuries, shit weather
3) City lost and we technically increased our lead

We should batter West Ham. Look at our fixtures and I think we can beat everyone. Yes, even Man U away ;)

We um.....
Trent is pretty poor at free kicks. Said it for a long time. One decent free kick a few years ago and the commentators think he's Beckham

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« Reply #4176 on: February 1, 2019, 09:52:54 PM »
I don't mind us losing to Leicester as:

1) they're recent champions and it would be wrong to underestimate em
2) Plenty of extenuating circumstances like no right-back, injuries, shit weather
3) City lost and we technically increased our lead

We should batter West Ham. Look at our fixtures and I think we can beat everyone. Yes, even Man U away ;)

We didn't lose though.  ;)

Who cares if they're recent Champions, they reverted back to being a mid-table side as soon as they won the title. I get what you mean though. I'd much rather draw to Leicester who are fairly decent compared to others than a relegation fodder we should be beating ten times out of ten.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4177 on: February 1, 2019, 09:53:11 PM »
We didn't lose :D

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4178 on: February 1, 2019, 09:55:26 PM »
We didn't lose :D
True,

But it felt like a loss...
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4179 on: February 1, 2019, 10:03:08 PM »
We um.....

We um are drunk and I forgot a word! K cider for ya lad :D

FELT like a loss, but I saw the logic in not shitting meself. That post was brain vs heart. Both had a say! I AM greedy for points, I'll tell ye that.

We didn't lose though.  ;)

Who cares if they're recent Champions, they reverted back to being a mid-table side as soon as they won the title. I get what you mean though. I'd much rather draw to Leicester who are fairly decent compared to others than a relegation fodder we should be beating ten times out of ten.

Close to how I feel. I think every opponent deserves respect on the pitch. I mean, they equalled us, at Anfield no less, right?

They're good, not great; if we're the best we must prove it. I don't think we should go easy on anyone, and no set of 3 points is ours until we earn it.

We must batter everyone, basically :D
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4180 on: February 1, 2019, 10:07:03 PM »
We didn't lose the match, we lost the opportunity to go 7 clear. That is a big deal, the margin of error etc etc . No problem with being pissed off about it as long as you continue to live in the land where you'd have bitten the hand off the person offering being 5 points clear going into Feb. Get to March now.
 

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4181 on: February 1, 2019, 10:13:12 PM »
We didn't lose the match, we lost the opportunity to go 7 clear. That is a big deal, the margin of error etc etc . No problem with being pissed off about it as long as you continue to live in the land where you'd have bitten the hand off the person offering being 5 points clear going into Feb. Get to March now.
 

The issue we have is we had 2 opportunities to really make a points statement and haven't done it.

1) Beat City to go 10 points clear
2) Beat Leicester to go 7 points clear

We've to make sure we start taking advantage of these changes to really steam ahead if they come around again.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4182 on: February 1, 2019, 10:23:28 PM »
The issue we have is we had 2 opportunities to really make a points statement and haven't done it.

1) Beat City to go 10 points clear
2) Beat Leicester to go 7 points clear

We've to make sure we start taking advantage of these changes to really steam ahead if they come around again.

Not arguing. Agree with you that when you get lemons you have to make lemonade. Just lying to myself that i'm enjoying this. A title procession would be better for my health and productivity. 

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4183 on: February 1, 2019, 10:32:35 PM »
At this point, I simply believe.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4184 on: February 1, 2019, 10:40:08 PM »
Iím not watching cityís matches anymore. City on Tuesday then us on Wednesday was too much stress. I think weíll get back to winning ways vs west ham
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4185 on: February 1, 2019, 10:43:47 PM »
Just been in the National Football Museum in Manchester and was going to get a picture of the Premier League trophy but decided against it to not tempt fate.

I'm not normally a superstitious person either. Oh, and was v disappointed by the museum.

Is the European cup there?

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4186 on: February 1, 2019, 10:44:25 PM »
Iím not watching cityís matches anymore. City on Tuesday then us on Wednesday was too much stress. I think weíll get back to winning ways vs west ham

Pep will leave for PSG and the oil money doesn't guarantee titles.

Wot do we have over City?

SOUL.

A team. I mean, buy a load of fuckin contractors and they don't bring belief to the table. They might bring skills, they might believe in themselves, but City are literally the best part of 20 years behind us.

Don't be stressed watching them, lad. Understand every win they have is fool's gold :)
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« Reply #4187 on: February 1, 2019, 10:47:53 PM »
I don't mind us losing points to Leicester as:

1) they're recent champions and it would be wrong to underestimate em
2) Plenty of extenuating circumstances like no right-back, injuries, shit weather
3) City lost and we technically increased our lead

We should batter West Ham. Look at our fixtures and I think we can beat everyone. Yes, even Man U away ;)
About that first point, it feels like absolutely years ago that they won the title. Bet my house on it that they won't win it again for another 100 years. Their last two matches were losses to Wolves and Southampton which is why it felt like a loss, oh well.

I'm also not concentrating on City anymore. If they drop points then great but definitely no point getting too overjoyed because the pressure at this stage is immense and anything could happen. I just hope our medical team put that magic sponge to good use because we need TAA, Gomez, etc back asap.

I hope City suffer like Chelsea are right now and they both piss off permanently to the midtable. Would love to get the traditional top four back instead of this top 6 bollocks.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4188 on: February 1, 2019, 10:57:05 PM »
Lots of fans depressed that we "could have" been 7 pts clear.

But it's "only" now 5 pts.

Strange.

If all these fans who have anxiously been predicting scorelines for every single match in both our and City's fixture list were to only pause and think what has just happened...

According to them..
City "should have" beaten Newcastle.
That would have put them 1pt behind us...with us to play Leicester.

We seemed to have gained 4 pts by drawing with Leicester though  :lmao

Some people are never happy!!

Be happy with what we've got!
No one predicted the following a few weeks back:
We'd be 5 pts ahead of City after they lose a number of matches in Dec and Jan.
So just enjoy the ride and stop being miserable and anxious!
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« Reply #4189 on: February 1, 2019, 10:58:15 PM »
The Gomez surgery news makes City favourite. Matip and Lovren are injury prone which is likely to mean fabinho is needed back thereby weakening in midfield creativity wise. Gomez's pace is also a great weapon to cover TAA who is prone to lapses.
IMO us to win the league (all things equal), Lovren needs to show the level of consistency he did toward the end of the season (the home Roma game aside) and one of Ox/Keita will need to step up

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4190 on: February 1, 2019, 11:06:52 PM »
About that first point, it feels like absolutely years ago that they won the title. Bet my house on it that they won't win it again for another 100 years. Their last two matches were losses to Wolves and Southampton which is why it felt like a loss, oh well.

For me I still see flashes of the Leicester who won the league. Bless em, they got some belief we almost take for granted! I suppose the simplest way to put it is, I'd be gutted drawing to about 15 more teams than them, and that's being generous.

Fortunately the league table, our history and our manager, our team, the atmosphere at Anfield, is is sufficient to keep this myopic but true focus.

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'm also not concentrating on City anymore. If they drop points then great but definitely no point getting too overjoyed because the pressure at this stage is immense and anything could happen. I just hope our medical team put that magic sponge to good use because we need TAA, Gomez, etc back asap.

I hope City suffer like Chelsea are right now and they both piss off permanently to the midtable. Would love to get the traditional top four back instead of this top 6 bollocks.

Great post. I think Chelsea are extremely relevant for anyone worried about City: Money goes a long way in life and especially in football, but absolutely nobody here is arsed about Chelsea. What's the long-term difference between Chelsea and City?

Uhhhhh. I suppose I get on with City's fans better!

Not saying "don't watch footie except us", but I'm juuuust old enough to have been at Anfield in a season we won the title. The belief is there, and faith is a funny thing: REAL faith is knowing failure is real, but parking it til it is relevant. Bravery is not "not having fear" - it is knowing fear is real and succeeding anyway.

For me, right now? There's everything to celebrate at this stage of the season (not beyond). With the caveat: I was gutted enough to think we "lost" to Leicester because my heart is in every game we play - every kick, every move, every lineup, every player.

Right now, I have to go looking for negatives, and hand on heart, I still respect Leicester. It's not always great footy they serve up, but we have a target on our backs to aim for - that game hammered home for me: I honestly reckon champions are made of tricky games. Sometimes even flukes.

I don't want a title we don't earn, after all. You don't have to create The Invincibles 2 to win the league. It helps! But we don't do things easy, and I have a great faith that the right things done the right way pays dividends. I mean, shit, we've just had to move the last of the pre-Klopp regimes buy out the club!

to be honest, it's nice that our main rivals are the polar opposite of how we do things :) Hand on heart I wouldn't have it any other way. Let's show em what we're made of, let's show em HOW, knowing no club can rival our strengths - support, nouse, and I sincerely think FSG are our best owners in donkeys'

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4191 on: February 1, 2019, 11:15:18 PM »
The Gomez surgery news makes City favourite. Matip and Lovren are injury prone which is likely to mean fabinho is needed back thereby weakening in midfield creativity wise. Gomez's pace is also a great weapon to cover TAA who is prone to lapses.
IMO us to win the league (all things equal), Lovren needs to show the level of consistency he did toward the end of the season (the home Roma game aside) and one of Ox/Keita will need to step up

I don't think it makes them favorite. Yes, Gomez was VVD's equal earlier on in the season but if you're going to talk about possible injuries that could derail our season and make them favorites it probably goes like this: Salah, Gini, Virgil, Alisson. We're obviously not as good defensively without Gomez but it's something I feel we can get away with providing Lovren stays fit. Matip is a walking mistake ready to happen. I don't know if it's his lanky figure (like Sakho) which makes you think he'll fuck up at any given moment but I'd much rather have Lovren in there. All we need to do is make it past West Ham and both Lovren and Trent should be fit for the run in, and stay fit hopefully.

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« Reply #4192 on: February 1, 2019, 11:35:23 PM »
I don't think it makes them favorite. Yes, Gomez was VVD's equal earlier on in the season but if you're going to talk about possible injuries that could derail our season and make them favorites it probably goes like this: Salah, Gini, Virgil, Alisson. We're obviously not as good defensively without Gomez but it's something I feel we can get away with providing Lovren stays fit. Matip is a walking mistake ready to happen. I don't know if it's his lanky figure (like Sakho) which makes you think he'll fuck up at any given moment but I'd much rather have Lovren in there. All we need to do is make it past West Ham and both Lovren and Trent should be fit for the run in, and stay fit hopefully.

Lovren's track record with injuries seems to be getting worse this season. I wonder if it is linked to lack of rest after world cup. I think we will be more reliant on Matip then your post suggests.
To be fair Matip was half decent defensively when he came back into the team which was a surprise. Perhaps he is a player that relies a lot on getting a run of games but I am not hopeful.

My comments re: Lovren Matip is largely guesswork - what we know, as you say Gomez's absence weakens the main area that has got us to the top - our  defensive steel. To stay top I think we're going to have to be score more goals. Firmino/Mane need to become more consistent and for me Ox/Keita/Shaq need to step up and nail the most advance midfield role.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4193 on: February 1, 2019, 11:40:38 PM »
And that is exactly part of the issue for me Jill and why I don't think the fans can be criticised too much, we're sitting watching our side try to regain their rhythm and sharpness in a game that can directly result in us taking advantage of our main compeitors for the title, that in itself is always going to cause some degree of anxiety. Agree 100% the pitch made things difficult, but then that's just another thing that plays into it as people see we aren't moving the ball quickly due to the conditions, see moving it slowly isn't creating chances, see the clock ticking on while we look uncharacteristically shaky at the other end and as a direct result worry that things aren't going our way. That's without even factoring in it feels like the refs against us with his bad decision after bad decision

I'm not saying moan and groan all game and its okay, but I do think the atmosphere was understandable

It doesn't sound harsh at all, it just sounds ridiculously unrealistic because no ones fans do that :lmao

You could sit and tell me you watched that match in its entirety without any sign of anxiety of frustration and i'd call bullshit because I don't reckon any of our fans did, its not that simple to just switch of any emotion or feeling towards the game because youv'e walked into the stadium. There's a multitude of things that were going against us last night and it all fed into it. You can write anything out on a forum and make it seem simple as, but most people don't convey emotion after going through a flowchart in their head of whether displaying frustration is a good choice at this present moment in time and thinking what are the knock on effects of me being frustrated. No one's saying moan and groan constantly but it was a case of what was happening on the field feeding into the emotion through the stands and that feeding back into what was going on during the game on the field.

If its as simple as that you could sit and say whip up a champions league atmosphere every anfield game because 'why would I not try everything I can to help the team win' but inevitably, its not the case

Been posting about the same thing in the 'Anfield atmosphere' thread. Didn't know about this one dealing with the same subject.

So I come into this thread to find that yourself and Jill seem to be among the few who actually seem to understand the football supporting 'human' reality of a night like Wednesday.

I've been banging pretty much the same drum in the 'atmosphere' thread ie that ALL things considered - and I really do mean ALL including some of our sloppiest play of the season so far - the support from the crowd was pretty good throughout on Wednesday night. As anyone who has been a regular at Anfield these past 50 years will know only too well the sighing, the moaning and the groaning that came from certain moaners and groaners on Wednesday night is just as much a part of the Anfield atmosphere today as it ever was throughout those 50 odd years I've been going. And there's not a slivver of a chance of changing that when you have a tense tight hugely important game and situation like on Wednesday night against on the night a superb Leicester performance. Fact is some fuckers just moan and groan and some more positive fuckers such as myself shout and sing. C'est la vie.

Anyroad here's my most recent post from the other thread - reflecting on James Pearce's latest column in tonight's Echo also bemoaning the crowd's twitchiness a la many of the posters in this thread and in the 'Anfield atmosphere' thread - just to confirm that me and thee and a few others are on the same page about all this.

Just quickly read the footy section in tonight's Echo and James Pearce is echoing the sentiments expressed by yourself and others in the thread about the crowd's anxiety trasnsmitting itself to the players especially when the groans follow a misplaced pass. He reckons Kloppie turned around to bollock the crowd at one point for groaning after Sadio misplaced a pass. Also Virgil was interviewed after the game and commented on him sensing the crowd's nervousness.

Not sure what to say.

If it's an attempt either of Pearce himself or Kloppie via Pearce to persuade some of those who do have a tendency to moan and groan to stop doing so when it's a tight game and the tension is racking up and stupid errors are being made, then fair enough. Good luck with it. I pray it works. However, based on my own Anfield experiences over 50 odd years I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that it's not going to succeed if the flow of the game replicates Wednesday night's nailbiter when we came so close to dropping all three points on more than one occasion - and mainly down to our own sloppiness.

I'd have thought myself the better option would have been for Pearce and presumably Kloppie [via Pearce] to accentuate the positive and lavish some well deserved praise on those who did support the team and appeal for those less supportive ones - including the likes of my own mates - to do likewise.

Incidentally Ski, don't get me wrong I crave the huge noisy days/nights and I do agree that the ideal for ensuring maximum home points is for Anfield to be a cauldron of noisy positivity like on the very best Euro nights. Fingers crossed we get something along those lines. But if the games pan out along the lines of Wednesday night then I fear that Pearce, Kloppie and Virgil are going to have to put up with a mixture of support and groaning. Maybe the ball's actually in their court and they need to persuade Robbo or anyone to go on a few Arsenal-like 200 yard mad dashes around the pitch to inject some life into some of the cardboard cut-out dummies who need a bomb underneath them, my own mates included.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4194 on: February 1, 2019, 11:44:36 PM »
The Virgil/Gomez partnership was the bedrock that our title challenge is built, it would be a massive blow if Gomez is out for another month or two. If there was ever a time to find some horse placenta down the back of the sofa, it is now.

It wouldn't be so bad if our other two centre backs weren't crocks. Klopp was seething with Lovren's wanton attitude to fitness around the World Cup and now we know why. He has mismanaged his body and its practically written him off for the season.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4195 on: February 1, 2019, 11:48:16 PM »
The Gomez surgery news makes City favourite.

Yeah. Agreed. Not sure why we don't just all fucking give up now and tell Kloppie to tell the Premier league to notify the fucking oil money guzzling cheating c*nts that they can keep hold of the trophy for another year.

Jeezus.


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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4196 on: February 1, 2019, 11:49:10 PM »
Yeah. Agreed. Not sure why we don't just all fucking give up now and tell Kloppie to tell the Premier league to notify the fucking oil money guzzling cheating c*nts that they can keep hold of the trophy for another year.

Jeezus.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4197 on: February 1, 2019, 11:50:36 PM »
Is the media and opposing fans' narrative that we've been extremely fortunate with injuries and refereeing decisions still a thing?  ::)

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4198 on: February 2, 2019, 12:18:18 AM »
Didn't realise we were such a one man team to be fair.  :o

Jill - you should have realised following that disastrous run of results after Joe got injured. Thank fuck the powers that be decided to gift all those three point wins to us with Joe not there.

 To be fair to the guy who posted the pessimism, we do all know how much we do miss the lad. He was arguably our best defender - even with Virgil, Trent and Robbo. It's just that....well you know...it's not the way Shanks wanted us to react to such things. Nor Kloppie.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #4199 on: February 2, 2019, 12:21:37 AM »
Not much room for furthur injuries now, would be a huge shame if we let this lead slip due to injuries.