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« Reply #2560 on: January 13, 2019, 07:43:54 AM »
True, however City won the league last year and Pep can afford to focus a bit more on CL this season. It'd be same with us next season if we win the league this year.

We need to get this monkey off of our backs that's been holding us back for 30 years and then in the future we can spread ourselves thin all we want looking to win everything at once as the pressure will be significantly less intensive. Personally I think subconsciously we'll prioritize the league from now on.

This applies to the fans.. lazy pundits.. ex reds.. But surely not the players (Ok maybe TAA to a certain extent) but beyond that the rest of the squad is probably focused on winning one of the big 2 if not both..

I'm not saying we will rest players ahead of Champions League matches, but I'm 100% sure we will give both a right go.. just like City will..
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« Reply #2561 on: January 13, 2019, 08:37:11 AM »
We are up against City, that's why there has to be a degree of doubt. Each round of games could see big swings.

If Wolves beat or draw with City on Monday then our chance of winning the league goes up massively. If City beat Wolves (more than likely) then their next two games are gimmes and they would be one point behind before we go into our game with Leicester.

We are playing really well and if we don't slip up it's ours. But all it needs is one or two shit decisions and City are back in it.
I get the big swings scenarios, I just don't feel we'll have those blips.  We look far too determined, focused and solid.

Sure it's not been a rollercoaster watch like 2013/14, it's been a professional, hard nosed one and I think that's why other fans somehow don't think we deserve it or aren't the best team.

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« Reply #2562 on: January 13, 2019, 09:23:49 AM »
I get the big swings scenarios, I just don't feel we'll have those blips.  We look far too determined, focused and solid.

Sure it's not been a rollercoaster watch like 2013/14, it's been a professional, hard nosed one and I think that's why other fans somehow don't think we deserve it or aren't the best team.

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« Reply #2563 on: January 13, 2019, 09:28:59 AM »
Imagine the quite realistic scenario that on May 4th when we play Newcastle we need a point to win the title and they need a point to stay up!

There would be still one game to go obviously, but fuck me how would both teams approach such a game!

Haha imagine the fume if it was the dullest, boring 0-0 in football history, be great to see Cardiff go down as the outcome of such a result!
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« Reply #2564 on: January 13, 2019, 09:46:31 AM »
I think the only way we won’t win it is if City do something crazy like win all but one game from here.

I think we can get to 96 points from here. That’s 13 wins with 3 more defeats, or 12 wins, 3 draws and a defeat.

We have enough winnable looking games both home and away for that to look achievable. I doubt we’ll go the entire season beating everyone outside the top 5 but we can probably afford a couple of ‘disappointing’ draws as long as we only lose one more.

I like you’re thinking ....9 home games left , 7 away games ....win all 9 home games and 4 away and that’s 96 points.....city would have to win 16/17 games then to win it....that’s a tough ask even for city.

Mind you winning 13/16 won’t be a walk in the park either 😫

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« Reply #2565 on: January 13, 2019, 09:58:31 AM »
I think 30th March is when we will know where we stand. Thats when we play Spurs. After that, its Chelsea at home and teams who will likely be in the bottom half of the table

For me the Utd and Everton away games are the crucial ones. They are our toughest challenges left in terms of the importance our rivals place on that.

By 30th March, Spurs will be massively out of it so may not take that as seriously, hence why I would have liked their game with City a bit earlier that 20th April.

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« Reply #2566 on: January 13, 2019, 10:07:41 AM »
We are up against City, that's why there has to be a degree of doubt. Each round of games could see big swings.

If Wolves beat or draw with City on Monday then our chance of winning the league goes up massively. If City beat Wolves (more than likely) then their next two games are gimmes and they would be one point behind before we go into our game with Leicester.

We are playing really well and if we don't slip up it's ours. But all it needs is one or two shit decisions and City are back in it.

City are completely irrelevant to me Klopp is right on this. You cannot influence what happens to them so it is pointless even thinking about them. The only thing we can do is concentrate on ourselves, make sure we push this team over the line. I won't be watching any City game or even thinking about what they may or may not do, it will drive you barmy. There is a focus to this team that I never saw in the other two teams. Also, Klopp has experience of pushing teams over the line he will do everything he can and we have to do the same. In the meantime, one game at a time.
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« Reply #2567 on: January 13, 2019, 10:47:59 AM »
Surely the Christmas period proves there’s no such thing as a gimme? Admittedly when I saw City’s xmas fixtures I thought we’d have to win all our matches just to maintain the 1 point gap, but that’s not how it went.

I’m not suggesting I expect either Huddersfield or Newcastle to do anything (especially not Huddersfield) but I wouldn’t totally discount the chance of it happening. If we keep winning they’ll keep dropping points here and there, I honestly don’t look at any of their fixtures and think ‘gimmie’
The same is obviously true for us although I’d argue Palace and Leicester at home is probably as vaourable a fixture as Huddersfield and Newcastle away.

My prediction is if we win our next 4 games we’ll be further ahead than 4 points having played the same number of games. City will eventually get fucked off with it, it wouldn’t surprise me if yesterday’s result had that effect, after all the effort that was exerted on the 3rd, we then get knocked out of the FA Cup, they’d have been hoping for a capitulation which doesn’t appear to be forthcoming.

Think the bolded part is important in so much that the Christmas period itself makes the 'gimmes' harder due to the regularity of fixtures and the intensity/strain that brings.

It's why I'm hopeful that the extra games that both City and Spurs have as a result of their Carabao and FA cup runs will impact their league form. We only really need them both to drop points once, with us capitalising, to be in a very, very strong position.

I don't think we'll City drop for a while yet though unfortunately. Think we probably need to win the next 6 or 7 on the bounce. Which I'm confident in our ability to do, as long as they keep focussing purely on the right things, resting, recovering, preparing, performing.

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« Reply #2568 on: January 13, 2019, 11:15:31 AM »
Let them and the media feel like that.. It will only help us if the pressure is on City..
Oh I couldn't give a fuck what they're thinking, it's been their mentality for 3 decades.

As you say they're inadvertently putting pressure on city cos they're so desperate for us not to win.

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« Reply #2569 on: January 13, 2019, 11:46:41 AM »
Beat palace at home and we have 60 points in the middle of January ... that’s ridiculous it really is

Its mad really - it will equal or better our points total for 7 of our premier league seasons, 3 of which were in the last 8 years - and there's still 4 months of football to play.
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« Reply #2570 on: January 13, 2019, 12:27:44 PM »
Oh I couldn't give a fuck what they're thinking, it's been their mentality for 3 decades.

As you say they're inadvertently putting pressure on city cos they're so desperate for us not to win.
Plenty in the media would like us to win. At the moment, they're just hoping for a proper title race.
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« Reply #2571 on: January 13, 2019, 12:33:24 PM »
45 points out of 45 vs the bottom 14 teams so far this year.

13 of our remaining 16 fixtures are also against those bottom 14 teams.

Of those 13 games, only 6 are away from home. West Ham and Everton, and the 4 teams from 16-19th in the table.

Win those 13 games, and we'd get to 96 points.

And just in case we do drop any points in those 13 games, we have Spurs (H), Chelsea (H), United (A) to make up for it.

City have FA Cup/League Cup commitments (and give CL priority), and would need to go 15W-1D-1L in their 17 remaining games to match that tally of 96 points. They still have to host Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea, and travel to United.

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« Reply #2572 on: January 13, 2019, 12:48:59 PM »
City are completely irrelevant to me Klopp is right on this. You cannot influence what happens to them so it is pointless even thinking about them. The only thing we can do is concentrate on ourselves, make sure we push this team over the line. I won't be watching any City game or even thinking about what they may or may not do, it will drive you barmy. There is a focus to this team that I never saw in the other two teams. Also, Klopp has experience of pushing teams over the line he will do everything he can and we have to do the same. In the meantime, one game at a time.
When are we jetting off to Dubai? I think Klopp could do with a little sun and relaxation, to 'reset' after the heavy fixture list and the defeat to City.

I think it's right to ignore City - we're 4 points ahead. It's ours to lose. But I think it's a little early to see this in terms of 'getting us over the line'. We've become a little too conservative, I think - particularly in terms of midfield selection. There's a risk of us becoming less fluent and fluid, of relying on the defence to keep it tight while the world class front three (and a bit) nick a winner.

Sixteen games is a long way to go. I think we'll need to recover/maintain some dynamism and fluency in the side if we want to stay ahead of City and win it from the front. 

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« Reply #2573 on: January 13, 2019, 12:53:08 PM »
When are we jetting off to Dubai? I think Klopp could do with a little sun and relaxation, to 'reset' after the heavy fixture list and the defeat to City.

I think it's right to ignore City - we're 4 points ahead. It's ours to lose. But I think it's a little early to see this in terms of 'getting us over the line'. We've become a little too conservative, I think - particularly in terms of midfield selection. There's a risk of us becoming less fluent and fluid, of relying on the defence to keep it tight while the world class front three (and a bit) nick a winner.

Sixteen games is a long way to go. I think we'll need to recover/maintain some dynamism and fluency in the side if we want to stay ahead of City and win it from the front.

Are they going away after the Crystal Palace game? I think there is a ten day gap before the game against Leicester City so they could go then. I agree its important they do get a bit of basic rest, I seem to remember that on one of the trips away they allowed the families to come as well. Not sure if the same thing will happen this time. But having a rest up before the CL games begin again is a big plus point. All we can do for now it too win as many as we can in the meantime.
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« Reply #2574 on: January 13, 2019, 12:53:21 PM »
When are we jetting off to Dubai? I think Klopp could do with a little sun and relaxation, to 'reset' after the heavy fixture list and the defeat to City.

I think it's right to ignore City - we're 4 points ahead. It's ours to lose. But I think it's a little early to see this in terms of 'getting us over the line'. We've become a little too conservative, I think - particularly in terms of midfield selection. There's a risk of us becoming less fluent and fluid, of relying on the defence to keep it tight while the world class front three (and a bit) nick a winner.

Sixteen games is a long way to go. I think we'll need to recover/maintain some dynamism and fluency in the side if we want to stay ahead of City and win it from the front. 



Conservative yesterday would have been starting Milner ahead of Shaqiri. Think we’re still broadly picking the right teams, just didn’t play that well yesterday, and Brighton we’re content to sit very deep.

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« Reply #2575 on: January 13, 2019, 12:54:59 PM »
When are we jetting off to Dubai? I think Klopp could do with a little sun and relaxation, to 'reset' after the heavy fixture list and the defeat to City.

I think it's right to ignore City - we're 4 points ahead. It's ours to lose. But I think it's a little early to see this in terms of 'getting us over the line'. We've become a little too conservative, I think - particularly in terms of midfield selection. There's a risk of us becoming less fluent and fluid, of relying on the defence to keep it tight while the world class front three (and a bit) nick a winner.

Sixteen games is a long way to go. I think we'll need to recover/maintain some dynamism and fluency in the side if we want to stay ahead of City and win it from the front. 



Tend to agree. However, I do think injuries have disrupted our preparation recently, and I’m also very conscious that Klopp has planned from pre-season to have a “conservative” approach over the hectic winter schedule.

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« Reply #2576 on: January 13, 2019, 12:57:06 PM »

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« Reply #2577 on: January 13, 2019, 01:05:20 PM »
Still can't get my head around our defensive record.

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« Reply #2578 on: January 13, 2019, 01:06:57 PM »
Still can't get my head around our defensive record.

The best defensive record in any of the major football leagues shared with PSG.
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« Reply #2579 on: January 13, 2019, 01:11:03 PM »
Conservative yesterday would have been starting Milner ahead of Shaqiri. Think we’re still broadly picking the right teams, just didn’t play that well yesterday, and Brighton we’re content to sit very deep.
I wasn't proposing to select Milner :). But even if we had, the midfield 3 (*almost* whoever's in it) I think gives us a more fluid shape; better angles through the centre, better movement, better tempo. We can win games playing as we are - we have world class forwards, the best centre back in the world and one of the best keepers in the world.

But that's rather what I mean about becoming 'conservative', and Klopp in particular perhaps needing a little break to reassess. We're in danger of shifting to relying on brilliant individuals within a solid system. I don't think that's very 'true' to how Klopp sees the game. It's also vulnerable to 'moments' within a game - a defensive error, an opposition keeper playing a blinder, the opposition hitting a worldie from 30 yards. As I said, I think sixteen games is a long way to go in that manner, and is imposing pressure on ourselves. At some stage we're going to need a spell of games where we're truly approaching our best, playing fluently, winning games comfortably and giving certain players 20-30 minutes rest at the end of a game.
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« Reply #2580 on: January 13, 2019, 01:12:44 PM »
I’m also very conscious that Klopp has planned from pre-season to have a “conservative” approach over the hectic winter schedule.
That's what I'm hopeful of.
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« Reply #2581 on: January 13, 2019, 01:17:03 PM »
The best defensive record in any of the major football leagues shared with PSG.
Imagine our defence in that league ;)

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« Reply #2582 on: January 13, 2019, 01:22:51 PM »
We're headed off to Dubai after the Palace game, as we have 11 days before we play Leicester.

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« Reply #2583 on: January 13, 2019, 01:24:43 PM »
We're headed off to Dubai after the Palace game, as we have 11 days before we play Leicester.

Should give them enough time to take in all the culture..

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« Reply #2584 on: January 13, 2019, 01:33:20 PM »
The best defensive record in any of the major football leagues shared with PSG.

And they are playing in a league that is nowhere near as good as Premier League. We are no joke this season, as demonstrated by Manchester City, scoring against us will require a good slice of luck paired with absolute top quality. There may be a fluke here and there, but not often, not like before - no matter the pressure we are under.

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« Reply #2585 on: January 13, 2019, 01:38:30 PM »
We should be better as a club than going to a misogynic and homophobic regime like Dubai's to give them positive PR. Utterly shameful :butt That government literally prosecutes women for being raped. No "business opportunities" in the world should cover that fact up.

The Canaries or Madeira are much better options. Also, better training temperatures for football. Dubai is above 25°C this time of the year already. Well, anyway, at least it's not Qatar, Iran or Saudi Arabia (the lowest bar in human history right there).

I really struggle to see the link between the important stance in wearing rainbow laces and then going to Dubai two months later, erasing all that good work. It boggles my mind  :-X
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« Reply #2586 on: January 13, 2019, 02:06:21 PM »
Not sure about "disjointed", just typically "open" for a Rodgers team ;D

Not sure about the blip either - drew and lost in the next two games, then went on a run again. The blip came at Christmas with the two losses to City and Arsenal, then after that we didn't lose again until Chelsea.

It was a great season ;D

This one is better though.

It was City and Chelsea we played over that period, not City and Arsenal.

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« Reply #2587 on: January 13, 2019, 02:11:57 PM »
Should give them enough time to take in all the culture..

Hope our boys don't go and do the mandatory photo op with Salt Bae....  ;D
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« Reply #2588 on: January 13, 2019, 03:09:31 PM »
We need to stop thinking about City and concentrate about ourselves. We continue to win there is bugger all they can do about it. Despite their returning sqad and being favourites.

Klopp said basically that yesterday - the only thing we can control is our own results, so we focus on that.

It was City and Chelsea we played over that period, not City and Arsenal.

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« Reply #2589 on: January 13, 2019, 05:30:15 PM »
Slightly off topic and cant  be arsed posting a new thread for numerous reasons but I have a question for all of you.    Lets just say that Liverpool won the league title whether it  be this season next season or whatever  would you expect the club to have a parade in the city etc (like most  teams do nowadays)  or would you keep it like it used to be  ala   the league trophy would be there paraded on the pitch in front of the fans , i always remember being in the kop whilst they paraded the trophy but  that was it.  The title had been won on home (and away) turf over  the course of the season and that was that. An FA (not even league cup) or european cup final returning team would normally  be treated to an open bus tour around the city, call me old fashioned that is what I remember.   
What would you want the club to do?
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« Reply #2590 on: January 13, 2019, 05:44:48 PM »
Slightly off topic and cant  be arsed posting a new thread for numerous reasons but I have a question for all of you.    Lets just say that Liverpool won the league title whether it  be this season next season or whatever  would you expect the club to have a parade in the city etc (like most  teams do nowadays)  or would you keep it like it used to be  ala   the league trophy would be there paraded on the pitch in front of the fans , i always remember being in the kop whilst they paraded the trophy but  that was it.  The title had been won on home (and away) turf over  the course of the season and that was that. An FA (not even league cup) or european cup final returning team would normally  be treated to an open bus tour around the city, call me old fashioned that is what I remember.   
What would you want the club to do?
And this is not  me being presumptious, just  curious of a genuine question

I hope they do some kind of parade on the Monday or the Tuesday after the final game in the Sunday as I am up in Liverpool for a mini break from the Monday with that possibility in mind... but let’s not get carried away

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« Reply #2591 on: January 13, 2019, 05:49:26 PM »
Slightly off topic and cant  be arsed posting a new thread for numerous reasons but I have a question for all of you.    Lets just say that Liverpool won the league title whether it  be this season next season or whatever  would you expect the club to have a parade in the city etc (like most  teams do nowadays)  or would you keep it like it used to be  ala   the league trophy would be there paraded on the pitch in front of the fans , i always remember being in the kop whilst they paraded the trophy but  that was it.  The title had been won on home (and away) turf over  the course of the season and that was that. An FA (not even league cup) or european cup final returning team would normally  be treated to an open bus tour around the city, call me old fashioned that is what I remember.   
What would you want the club to do?
And this is not  me being presumptious, just  curious of a genuine question

We had one for Istanbul and would have had one for Kiev and Athens

I have seen videos of Shanks having one where he address the crowd St George sq. The one where he talks about Chairman Mao not seeing such red strength

Yeah we would have one and yes we should. Lets get into a position where we can be blasé about winning the title before we become blasé about winning the title.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2592 on: January 13, 2019, 06:13:54 PM »
A parade would be guaranteed.

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« Reply #2593 on: January 13, 2019, 06:16:48 PM »
Pack has melted down to one.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2594 on: January 13, 2019, 06:20:35 PM »
We had one for Istanbul and would have had one for Kiev and Athens

I have seen videos of Shanks having one where he address the crowd St George sq. The one where he talks about Chairman Mao not seeing such red strength

Yeah we would have one and yes we should. Lets get into a position where we can be blasé about winning the title before we become blasé about winning the title.

Also had one planned in 2014

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« Reply #2595 on: January 13, 2019, 06:35:00 PM »
Spurs now 9 points behind. Makes life very difficult for them to come back into it. Man Utd have now won 6 in a row. Our encounter with them will be absolutely pivotal as we face them in the same sequence that we play Bayern in the CL and also the derby game. That could very well be the sequence that makes or breaks our title tilt and hopes for CL silverware I think. The good news is that by end of Feb we should have Gomez, Lovren and Matip back, and hopefully both Lallana and Keita fully fit for selection as well. We'll need the depth to get through an intense period of games.
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« Reply #2596 on: January 13, 2019, 06:36:23 PM »
6 losses for Spurs so far with 3 of toughest away fixtures to come. They are done.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2597 on: January 13, 2019, 06:46:56 PM »
Spurs now 9 points behind. Makes life very difficult for them to come back into it. Man Utd have now won 6 in a row. Our encounter with them will be absolutely pivotal as we face them in the same sequence that we play Bayern in the CL and also the derby game. That could very well be the sequence that makes or breaks our title tilt and hopes for CL silverware I think. The good news is that by end of Feb we should have Gomez, Lovren and Matip back, and hopefully both Lallana and Keita fully fit for selection as well. We'll need the depth to get through an intense period of games.

There are also 4, 5 games before the United game so that ultimately means nothing in terms of what they're doing right now. The intense period is no where near the intensity we had last month and in previous months. We have 10 days off before we play Bayern, we have 11 days between Palace and Leicester.


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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2598 on: January 13, 2019, 06:52:44 PM »
Might be the only time in my life where I was pretty much rooting for a United win. Get Spurs out of our way, but also anything that puts pressure on the board to appoint Solskjaer full-time would be great. He'll inevitably fail there, so really want him chosen as the next manager.

 
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2599 on: January 13, 2019, 06:57:29 PM »
Slightly off topic and cant  be arsed posting a new thread for numerous reasons but I have a question for all of you.    Lets just say that Liverpool won the league title whether it  be this season next season or whatever  would you expect the club to have a parade in the city etc (like most  teams do nowadays)  or would you keep it like it used to be  ala   the league trophy would be there paraded on the pitch in front of the fans , i always remember being in the kop whilst they paraded the trophy but  that was it.  The title had been won on home (and away) turf over  the course of the season and that was that. An FA (not even league cup) or european cup final returning team would normally  be treated to an open bus tour around the city, call me old fashioned that is what I remember.   
What would you want the club to do?
And this is not  me being presumptious, just  curious of a genuine question
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