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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16880 on: May 18, 2019, 11:30:15 AM »
Let's cut to the chase and cut out the deification of Guardiola.

He is a convicted drugs cheat. Whilst at Brescia he received a four month Football ban and a seven months suspended jail sentence after testing positive for Nandrolone a banned steroid.

During his first season at City on three occasions City broke anti doping regulations and were fined by the FA.

He joined City knowing that they had cheated and broken FFP regulations in 13/14 and were fined £49m and were subject to squad restrictions.

Add in the cynical way his teams nullify counter attacks plus the fact that he is part of the wages scam that sees Abu Dhabi directly own players image rights and it is frankly absurd the way he is portrayed.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16881 on: May 18, 2019, 11:52:25 AM »
He is a convicted drugs cheat. Whilst at Brescia he received a four month Football ban and a seven months suspended jail sentence after testing positive for Nandrolone a banned steroid.

Which he was cleared of. Twice.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16882 on: May 18, 2019, 01:18:31 PM »
Let's cut to the chase and cut out the deification of Guardiola.

He is a convicted drugs cheat. Whilst at Brescia he received a four month Football ban and a seven months suspended jail sentence after testing positive for Nandrolone a banned steroid.

During his first season at City on three occasions City broke anti doping regulations and were fined by the FA.

He joined City knowing that they had cheated and broken FFP regulations in 13/14 and were fined £49m and were subject to squad restrictions.

Add in the cynical way his teams nullify counter attacks plus the fact that he is part of the wages scam that sees Abu Dhabi directly own players image rights and it is frankly absurd the way he is portrayed.

Its not me deifying him - its his image in the media that seems untarnished, which is why stronger FFP action can't come soon enough for him and that club.
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« Reply #16883 on: May 18, 2019, 01:31:07 PM »
Man City Champions League bans... bad for our league chances?

I'd say no, its the one prize these players want, winning the league can only be desirable x amount of times before a new challenge is naturally needed. New challenges and goals are what keep pro athletes at the top of the pile... This would be a huge knock on the players and more importantly, Pep.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16884 on: May 18, 2019, 05:30:22 PM »
Which he was cleared of. Twice.

Eventually he was cleared because of a loophole.

At first Guardiola claimed he had been the victim of contaminated supplements given to him by his personal physician Dr. Ramon Segura. So the authorities tested the supplements Guardiola had taken and they didn't contain Nandrolone.

What they did find though was that despite claiming contamination, Dr. Segura could not even be sure of the contents of these supplements. It was discovered during Guardiola’s unsuccessful appeal that Dr. Segura’s behaviour in preparing Guardiola’s supplements was deemed “risky”. These supplements were prepared with “raw materials purchased from different suppliers according to market availability”, without suitable “certification of manufacturers”.

So you could say that in a way Guardiola had been put at risk by Dr Segura. Obviously you would expect Guardiola to be outraged by Segura's lackadaisical approach to preparing supplements. Especially given another client Frank De Boer also tasted positive for Nandrolone.

However instead of shunning Segura and his dodgy supplements he installed him as Barca club doctor and encouraged his players to take the supplements.



When his first defence failed instead of holding his hands up Guardiola enlisted the help of another Doctor who claimed Guardiola suffered from Gilbert syndrome. A genetic condition that they argued could produce elevated levels of Nandrolone. The marker for nandrolone use in drug testing is  19-noretiocholanolone, the legal limit is 2mg and one of Guardiola's samples showed 12mg so unsurprisingly his second defence was thrown out.


Two defences down Guardiola still didn't hold his hands up. He was probably going to rely on the dog ate my home work defence until an anomaly was found. n 2005, WADA had found that a phenomenon called “unstable urine” in samples could lead to positive tests for low levels of nandrolone. In very rare cases nandrolone could be found in samples not because of external administration but as a result of a chemical reaction that “may occur in a vial containing urine.”

WADA instructed all accredited labs to perform “stability tests” on urine samples with nandrolone concentration from 2 to 10ng/ml moving forward. Guardiola’s values were at the high end of this scale (12ng/ml for NE). Those samples that were deemed “unstable” would not constitute an adverse analytic finding for nandrolone.

Then-WADA Director General David Howman stood by the efficacy of previous testing for nandrolone and said the chances of urine becoming unstable were “very rare”. The chances were between 1 out of 1,000 and 1 out of 10,000 positive tests for nandrolone.

Guardiola was cleared by the Brescia Court of Appeals. This was not because his samples were deemed “unstable” but because it could have been possible that his four samples had been “unstable”. Guardiola was absolved of all blame because of “the impossibility to now perform stability tests on the samples taken” in 2001.

Stability tests must be carried out within five weeks of the collection of a sample. In 2007, no sample even remained to be re-tested.

Yet Italian anti-doping prosecutors would appeal the decision in 2009 arguing that Guardiola should not have been allowed another appeal. The change in WADA’s guidelines did not constitute “new evidence”, they argued, because anti-doping laboratories were correctly following the testing procedures set by WADA at the time. Further they argued that Guardiola’s representatives had never contested how the sample was collected or analysed in previous cases and that this did not form part of his previous defence.


Guardiola had 4 samples of urine taken so the chance that all four were contaminated is miniscule. He was cleared because it simply wasn't possible to prove the stability of six year old urine.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16885 on: May 18, 2019, 06:21:27 PM »
So we play the Abu Dhabi Corp. in the community shield

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16886 on: May 18, 2019, 06:59:44 PM »
Can the BBC get their tongues any further up Manchester City’s arse!!!!


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« Reply #16887 on: May 18, 2019, 07:10:10 PM »
I don’t think they can.  It the BBC are willing to try.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16888 on: May 18, 2019, 07:15:39 PM »
They keep going on about them being the greatest team ever............ but they still lost 4 times in the Prem this season..... we lost one...... by 11mm

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16889 on: May 18, 2019, 07:18:00 PM »
They keep going on about them being the greatest team ever............ but they still lost 4 times in the Prem this season..... we lost one...... by 11mm

I'd rather lose 4 and get 98 points than lose 1 and get 97

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16890 on: May 18, 2019, 07:19:17 PM »
I'd rather lose 4 and get 98 points than lose 1 and get 97
I know we all would but I’m trying to make a point.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16891 on: May 18, 2019, 07:22:27 PM »
I know we all would but I’m trying to make a point.

Using the losses to make a point doesn't mean anything. They won 32, we won 30.

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« Reply #16892 on: May 18, 2019, 07:26:32 PM »
Using the losses to make a point doesn't mean anything. They won 32, we won 30.

This.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16893 on: May 18, 2019, 07:30:03 PM »
Its fine margins. Our top scorer has scored more goals than their top scorer. Our top assist man has more assists than their top assist man. We have the player of the year. Our keeper has more clean sheets than their keeper. We have conceded less than them

They have have scored more goals than us.

We are their equal. It essentially came down to the head to head. They won one drew one. We lost one drew one and even then both matches were close.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16894 on: May 18, 2019, 07:32:27 PM »
Its fine margins. Our top scorer has scored more goals than their top scorer. Our top assist man has more assists than their top assist man. We have the player of the year. Our keeper has more clean sheets than their keeper. We have conceded less than them

They have have scored more goals than us.

We are their equal. It essentially came down to the head to head. They won one drew one. We lost one drew one and even then both matches were close.

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« Reply #16895 on: May 18, 2019, 07:39:10 PM »
Its fine margins. Our top scorer has scored more goals than their top scorer. Our top assist man has more assists than their top assist man. We have the player of the year. Our keeper has more clean sheets than their keeper. We have conceded less than them

They have have scored more goals than us.

We are their equal. It essentially came down to the head to head. They won one drew one. We lost one drew one and even then both matches were close.



We are not their equal until we do it again, they have got 198 points over the course of 2 seasons. They've proven this isn't a flash in the pan and it looks like a long term thing for them.

Its the equivalent to an unknown striker scoring 25 in a season, for them to be talked about as truly quality they need to do it again, or else they're potentially a one season wonder.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16896 on: May 18, 2019, 07:45:00 PM »
We are not their equal until we do it again, they have got 198 points over the course of 2 seasons. They've proven this isn't a flash in the pan and it looks like a long term thing for them.

Its the equivalent to an unknown striker scoring 25 in a season, for them to be talked about as truly quality they need to do it again, or else they're potentially a one season wonder.

Not sure I agree. We've got to the European Cup final 2 seasons in a row while they haven't got past the quarter finals. Win it this year, and I reckon we can consider ourselves as good as them. We've beaten the best teams in Europe. They've strolled through training games against Bournemouth and Huddersfield.

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« Reply #16897 on: May 18, 2019, 07:46:52 PM »
Not sure I agree. We've got to the European Cup final 2 seasons in a row while they haven't got past the quarter finals. Win it this year, and I reckon we can consider ourselves as good as them. We've beaten the best teams in Europe. They've strolled through training games against Bournemouth and Huddersfield.

I get where you're coming from but the league is relentless and cups you can have one thing go for you that writes the narrative.

If we win the European Cup though then in my opinion we've had just a good a season as them, whether we're as good as them? Lets see next year I guess!

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16898 on: May 18, 2019, 07:48:21 PM »
I get where you're coming from but the league is relentless and cups you can have one thing go for you that writes the narrative.

If we win the European Cup though then in my opinion we've had just a good a season as them, whether we're as good as them? Lets see next year I guess!

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« Reply #16899 on: May 18, 2019, 08:04:49 PM »
I get where you're coming from but the league is relentless and cups you can have one thing go for you that writes the narrative.

If we win the European Cup though then in my opinion we've had just a good a season as them, whether we're as good as them? Lets see next year I guess!

But the cups are still played together with the league games.  Relentlessness is the frequency at which games are played and perhaps their ferocity.  If you are playing every three days the relentless doesn't stop because you are playing a Champions' League game. City cannot compete with the best in Europe. Liverpool and Spurs have done them and we are playing the same teams week in week out.  We are their equal- absolutely no doubt about it.
If we win number 6, the media will be spouting a different narrative. 97 points and 2 Champions' League finals in a row is no mean feat.

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« Reply #16900 on: May 18, 2019, 08:15:42 PM »
But the cups are still played together with the league games.  Relentlessness is the frequency at which games are played and perhaps their ferocity.  If you are playing every three days the relentless doesn't stop because you are playing a Champions' League game. City cannot compete with the best in Europe. Liverpool and Spurs have done them and we are playing the same teams week in week out.  We are their equal- absolutely no doubt about it.
If we win number 6, the media will be spouting a different narrative. 97 points and 2 Champions' League finals in a row is no mean feat.

I mean because its a 38 league game season theres no bullshit with it, the best team always wins it. Whereas in the cups theres always a bit of misfortune/luck deciding where it ends up.

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« Reply #16901 on: May 18, 2019, 08:38:59 PM »
Man City Champions League bans... bad for our league chances?

I can’t remember if Chelsea got a champions league ban back when they were steam rolling the league (ironically it was us again stopping an almighty monster from taking everything) think it was a transfer ban? Anyway things levelled out for them after that and they were never the same.

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« Reply #16902 on: May 18, 2019, 08:53:24 PM »
Man City Champions League bans... bad for our league chances?

Maybe, but they have two sides anyway, there isn't a huge drop in quality when they rotate.
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« Reply #16903 on: May 18, 2019, 08:56:33 PM »
I mean because its a 38 league game season theres no bullshit with it, the best team always wins it. Whereas in the cups theres always a bit of misfortune/luck deciding where it ends up.

We have made the CL finals 2 years in a row and we have beaten Man City, Bayern, Napoli, PSG and Barcelona in those 2 years. City, Bayern and Barcelona have been beaten in a 2-legged contest.

There is no luck. There is no fortune. We have made the final in the biggest, toughest and most important tournament in club football.

City are a great team, but they don't have it. They won't win a CL any time soon and certainly not next season. You need something special, which they do not possess. Their club doesn't, their fans don't, their manager doesn't.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16904 on: May 18, 2019, 10:53:34 PM »
I mean because its a 38 league game season theres no bullshit with it, the best team always wins it. Whereas in the cups theres always a bit of misfortune/luck deciding where it ends up.

City have had more than their fair share of fortune in the league this season.

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« Reply #16905 on: May 18, 2019, 11:54:54 PM »
We have made the CL finals 2 years in a row and we have beaten Man City, Bayern, Napoli, PSG and Barcelona in those 2 years. City, Bayern and Barcelona have been beaten in a 2-legged contest.

There is no luck. There is no fortune. We have made the final in the biggest, toughest and most important tournament in club football.

City are a great team, but they don't have it. They won't win a CL any time soon and certainly not next season. You need something special, which they do not possess. Their club doesn't, their fans don't, their manager doesn't.

I’ve always felt that the Champions League is far harder to fluke your way through than any other cup competition.

Assuming the team in question is a ‘lesser side’ then the chances are they end up in pot 3 or 4 and therefore are likely to have a tricky group stage, and then have to navigate 6 matches of which half are home and half away, just to get to the final, and although the luck of the draw may give you one or maybe (rarely) two favourable ties, you’re almost always going to have to beat a top side to get to the final.

It’s a world of difference from, say, the FA Cup, where the likes of Wigan can win at home to Man City via a scoreline which would almost certainly be overturned were a second leg to be played.

To get to 2 finals on the spin is obviously a fairly concrete sign of a top side, I’d be interested to know how many other sides have even done that? Bayern, Madrid and the Mancs are the only ones that spring immediately to mind, I’m sure there are others that I’m forgetting but the point is that it’s extremely hard to do.

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« Reply #16906 on: May 18, 2019, 11:58:10 PM »
The CL is unquestionably a ridiculously hard competition to win, to get to the final of even, and that’s shown by the amount of times very very very good league sides have got nowhere near the final.

You can sometimes be a good cup side, or get a good run, but to do it twice on the bounce is only the sign of one thing: you’re a fucking boss side.

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« Reply #16907 on: May 19, 2019, 12:29:56 AM »
The CL is unquestionably a ridiculously hard competition to win, to get to the final of even, and that’s shown by the amount of times very very very good league sides have got nowhere near the final.

You can sometimes be a good cup side, or get a good run, but to do it twice on the bounce is only the sign of one thing: you’re a fucking boss side.

According to Pep today - shockingly - the CL isn’t that hard to win.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/3856779/pep-man-citys-treble-harder-than-champions-league
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16908 on: May 19, 2019, 12:32:29 AM »
According to Pep today - shockingly - the CL isn’t that hard to win.

And that's why he's won it at Bayern and City.

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« Reply #16909 on: May 19, 2019, 12:48:11 AM »
It's a silly thing to imply and he's not coming across too well with those quotes.

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« Reply #16910 on: May 19, 2019, 04:30:37 AM »
City have had more than their fair share of fortune in the league this season.

So have we really. You need it to get 95+ points.
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« Reply #16911 on: May 19, 2019, 05:19:42 AM »
According to Pep today - shockingly - the CL isn’t that hard to win.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/3856779/pep-man-citys-treble-harder-than-champions-league

That's not at all what he said.

He said it's harder to do the domestic treble then it is to win the Champions League.

If you want to dispute that that is fine, it's all opinions after all

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« Reply #16912 on: May 19, 2019, 05:38:04 AM »
Real Madrid have 4 titles in last 6 years and only 1 league win in that same time period. When Pep was asked for team of decade he said he couldn't pick Madrid because of lack of league titles.

He could just be being bitter or it could just be his beliefs

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« Reply #16913 on: May 19, 2019, 08:17:49 AM »
According to Pep today - shockingly - the CL isn’t that hard to win.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/3856779/pep-man-citys-treble-harder-than-champions-league
In fairness, that’s not what he had said. He compared the treble vs the CL. And for that he’s right. How many teams have won a treble, any treble, and how many times? We ourselves have 5 (soon to be 6) Big Years, and how many trebles? Same with United. City didn’t have enough history of being strong to make the statistics.
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« Reply #16914 on: May 19, 2019, 09:22:23 AM »
In fairness? Nah - let's enjoy the grumpy defensive vibe he's giving out. It's the one chink in their financially-doped armour.

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« Reply #16915 on: May 19, 2019, 09:57:03 AM »
In fairness, that’s not what he had said. He compared the treble vs the CL. And for that he’s right. How many teams have won a treble, any treble, and how many times? We ourselves have 5 (soon to be 6) Big Years, and how many trebles? Same with United. City didn’t have enough history of being strong to make the statistics.

To be fair though, the Carling Cup tends to be the cup teams rotate dor, especially if they're going after the Champions league.
Winning the league is tough, but for them to win the domestic cups they faced the easiest set of fixtures you can imagine. I think bar Chelsea, every other team was an incredibly easy matchup.

They were very fortunate with their cup runs.
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« Reply #16916 on: May 19, 2019, 11:30:01 AM »
To be fair though, the Carling Cup tends to be the cup teams rotate dor, especially if they're going after the Champions league.
Winning the league is tough, but for them to win the domestic cups they faced the easiest set of fixtures you can imagine. I think bar Chelsea, every other team was an incredibly easy matchup.

They were very fortunate with their cup runs.

They were but I wouldn't fancy Leicester or Burnley away too much with our second-string side.

This is why it's jarring to hear that our team is supposedly 'complete'. We throw the cup competitions most seasons whilst City are churning them out on a regular basis.
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« Reply #16917 on: May 19, 2019, 11:33:15 AM »
That's not at all what he said.

He said it's harder to do the domestic treble then it is to win the Champions League.

If you want to dispute that that is fine, it's all opinions after all

In fairness, that’s not what he had said. He compared the treble vs the CL. And for that he’s right. How many teams have won a treble, any treble, and how many times? We ourselves have 5 (soon to be 6) Big Years, and how many trebles? Same with United. City didn’t have enough history of being strong to make the statistics.


no one said it wasn't harder to win the domestic treble - but because he's so insecure he needed to bring it up and try to devalue the CL. 

Because Liverpool is in his head big time.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #16918 on: May 19, 2019, 12:40:27 PM »

no one said it wasn't harder to win the domestic treble - but because he's so insecure he needed to bring it up and try to devalue the CL. 

Because Liverpool is in his head big time.

LFC are in MCFC's head big time never mind Pep's without even trying. They seem more preoccupied with what we're doing than themselves. And I'm fucking loving it.
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« Reply #16919 on: May 19, 2019, 12:54:21 PM »
After we spank City in the Community Shield...

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