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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12560 on: April 23, 2019, 05:01:30 pm »
Checking a score after full time is fraught with its own dangers too. Twitter? BBC Sport? Here?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12561 on: April 23, 2019, 05:04:27 pm »
There have been some strange goings on which have contributed to a difference between 1 and 3 points. That header by Morisson is a clear example. But there are others.

Those 2 injury time winners against Everton and Spurs are just bizarre. 99 times out of 100 both would never have happened.

Then there is the game against City. We were inches from scoring and Sane was inches from not scoring.

Whatever happens, happens, but I feel there might yet be a twist from an unknown source in this epic title race.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12562 on: April 23, 2019, 05:13:48 pm »

Jesus I'd love a fucking 0-0 draw. A filthy one.

If United can keep it at nil nil going into the second half the pressure will really ramp up on City. If it is still level going into the last 10 City will feel that they have to go all out for the winner, which could leave them susceptible to a counter goal. Sadly, I fear, City will probably score early and be 2 up at half-time.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12563 on: April 23, 2019, 05:15:23 pm »
Checking a score after full time is fraught with its own dangers too. Twitter? BBC Sport? Here?

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Couldn't think of anything worse right now. Seeing 0-3 to City all in one go would be a lot to handle.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12564 on: April 23, 2019, 05:16:16 pm »
Perhaps what contributes to my pessimism is that the three title races I've seen us involved in have seen:

-Arsenal win 15 of their final 16 games
-United win 8 of their final 9 games
-City win their final 5 games

I also think the scenarios you mention - particularly that United collapse in 2011/12 - are rarer than the side in control closing it out. But ultimately this is all irrelevant history and it's mostly the present which forms my opinion: City are very good and the rest of the league are cowards.

City winning their final 5 games in 13/14 also coincided with us (the leading team at the time) taking 1 point from 2 matches that we’d be expected to win though.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12565 on: April 23, 2019, 05:18:55 pm »

Whatever happens, happens, but I feel there might yet be a twist from an unknown source in this epic title race.

Said it elsewhere but it's so weird that there's been nothing really happen since we drew with everton. There's usually some sort of mental result somewhere along the lines. Something people talk about for ages later. Even last year when city were absolutely miles ahead united pulled off that mad result at the etihad. 
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12566 on: April 23, 2019, 05:21:43 pm »
Mad this. Liverpool obsessing over man Utd formations and wanting Man Utd to win. Never have I seen liverpool fans obsess so much over Man Utd even over their own team  ;D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12567 on: April 23, 2019, 05:33:40 pm »
Obssesing over United is flawed simply becouse United are shite. ..so get your head around it..no matter how much they huff and puff City are so far superior,  it is for City to fall below their standard that we need to hope for , not United rising to the occasion, cos even if they do City can still easily beat them. to be honest if Im gonna invest any hope in a favourable result then its more likely to be Burnley or Leicester.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12568 on: April 23, 2019, 05:37:42 pm »
Mad this. Liverpool obsessing over man Utd formations and wanting Man Utd to win. Never have I seen liverpool fans obsess so much over Man Utd even over their own team  ;D
Was working in Manchester today and speaking to a United fan, surprisingly he’s a United from Manchester and a good lad. He said he wants to win tomorrow and the majority of match going United fans want them to win.  Wished him good luck before I left, which made me fell quite dirty 🙈
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12569 on: April 23, 2019, 05:40:02 pm »
Anyone any suggestions on how I get through these 90 minutes tomorrow night? Not sure I can watch it, it will be pure torture. I don't think I can just check the score afterwards either. At least if you know the score throughout there's a gradual disappointment when City win.

Jesus I'd love a fucking 0-0 draw. A filthy one.

Personally for games like this, I just watch them. If City win I’d rather just get accustomed to it during 90 minutes rather than one jarring stab having not watched it and checking the score later. At least watching it for 90 mins leaves you with some hope during the match.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12570 on: April 23, 2019, 05:52:58 pm »
Am I right in thinking United haven't lost a league game at Old Trafford since Spurs in August? That's a run that deserves to be elongated.

Yes, but this won't really be like a home game. There will be no atmosphere and no noise from the home crowd. It will be like an away match and they'll be playing on the counter.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12571 on: April 23, 2019, 06:04:14 pm »
Yes, but this won't really be like a home game. There will be no atmosphere and no noise from the home crowd. It will be like an away match and they'll be playing on the counter.

Nonsense. Its a derby. As soon as a heavy challenge goes in, a ball is given away sloppily or whatever the crowd will be well up for it.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12572 on: April 23, 2019, 06:05:55 pm »
Love how big the build-up for this has been, both sides under massive pressure to perform. If Utd can put in a solid defensive performance like they did against us I can see a 0-0 or 1-1 happening.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12573 on: April 23, 2019, 06:09:45 pm »
I worked tirelessly with the best mathematician in Wales and we've concluded that if Burnley lose to Man City by two goals then they'd be safe from relegation. The tactic would be to park three buses, concede early without intending to, continue parking spacing then concede second goal in second half without intention, at which point City will be happy to pass around while three buses still parked. This method is a proven winner v City.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12574 on: April 23, 2019, 06:09:48 pm »
Nonsense. Its a derby. As soon as a heavy challenge goes in, a ball is given away sloppily or whatever the crowd will be well up for it.

You're equating the fans with the players. The players are a completely different story.

Their players will want to put in their best and win and so will Ole but I don't agree that the crowd will be up for it. Anyway, let's see tomorrow.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12575 on: April 23, 2019, 06:16:15 pm »
It’s not been said before but I do wish Jose was still there tomorrow. He would have made it all about him tomorrow, and he showed a blueprint how to play against title challengers by frustrating and time-wasting the life out of the opposition to throw them off.

United and ole are nowhere near as clever.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12576 on: April 23, 2019, 06:22:50 pm »
Anyone any suggestions on how I get through these 90 minutes tomorrow night? Not sure I can watch it, it will be pure torture. I don't think I can just check the score afterwards either. At least if you know the score throughout there's a gradual disappointment when City win.

Jesus I'd love a fucking 0-0 draw. A filthy one.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12577 on: April 23, 2019, 06:26:24 pm »
I suggest you guys watch avengers endgame instead of the manchester derby.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12578 on: April 23, 2019, 06:35:08 pm »
I suggest you guys watch avengers endgame instead of the manchester derby.

It's not out in time. First showings are around 2330.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12579 on: April 23, 2019, 06:38:50 pm »
It’s not been said before but I do wish Jose was still there tomorrow. He would have made it all about him tomorrow, and he showed a blueprint how to play against title challengers by frustrating and time-wasting the life out of the opposition to throw them off.

United and ole are nowhere near as clever.

Wish Jose was still there because he hadn't quite finished the job of completely destroying them. Not gonna watch tomorrow, they are shite and would be a waste of time. Got more belief in Sean Dyche doing us a favour than those clowns.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12580 on: April 23, 2019, 06:47:28 pm »
You're equating the fans with the players. The players are a completely different story.

Their players will want to put in their best and win and so will Ole but I don't agree that the crowd will be up for it. Anyway, let's see tomorrow.

The moment the City fans start taking the piss out of Ole or start gloating about their own success is the moment that the United fans forget about their hate for us and concentrate their anger on Man City. It's practically a law of football. Other than winning yourself, there is nothing better than seeing opposing fans suffer right in front of you. When they realise they can take the piss out of damaging their neighbour's chances of winning the league the United home support will relish the pain.

Then they'll obviously come down off their high and realise they've opened the door for the Reds. That's when the self-hatred will start. But it'll be too late by then.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12581 on: April 23, 2019, 06:49:45 pm »
I seriously don't think I can put myself through it

If United are winning with a 15 mins left then I will stick it on

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12582 on: April 23, 2019, 06:51:44 pm »
Man united should take a leaf from Cardiff’s books and bring in a strategy that I thought worked for parts of the game against liverpool. If Cardiff had better players it might’ve worked
Don’t water the pitch and practice on a similar type pitch in the training sessions and don’t have any ball boys. For me, they literally need to slow down the play to prevent city from getting into any rhythm

Klopp was expecting this from Cardiff but pep wouldn’t from united

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12583 on: April 23, 2019, 06:51:59 pm »
Wish Jose was still there because he hadn't quite finished the job of completely destroying them. Not gonna watch tomorrow, they are shite and would be a waste of time. Got more belief in Sean Dyche doing us a favour than those clowns.


Been saying the same thing for weeks.  Them and Leicester are better teams than United at the minute.

Only thing United have in their favour is the "wounded animal" effect and a boisterous crowd but even that won't be enough.

I anticipate a smug, smirking Gary Neville after the final whistle tomorrow night when they've 'bravely' lost narrowly 2-1.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12584 on: April 23, 2019, 06:52:37 pm »
If we were playing Everton with the prospect of them or United being champions I think we'd raise our game.

(yes, I know, it is a bizarre concept, everton challenging for the PL that is)
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12585 on: April 23, 2019, 06:52:41 pm »
I seriously don't think I can put myself through it

If United are winning with a 15 mins left then I will stick it on

Please! That is the time you particularly need to avoid. It's gone fine for 75 mins, why do you want to tempt footballing Gods?

I don't even want to see the score before I watch us play Huddersfield.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12586 on: April 23, 2019, 06:56:06 pm »
What a brilliant season we have had. Hopefully city drop points tomorrow, but if they don’t then the hope moves onto the next game until there is none left. Even then we have had a fucking great season, pipped to the post by some cheating bastards. Personally, I think they will drop points somewhere, and the league will be ours. Come on Reds!

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12587 on: April 23, 2019, 06:56:20 pm »
Hoping for a Leeds v Arsenal scenario from 1999. After we had drawn with United and Arsenal beaten Spurs on the same night it was in Arsenal’s hands with (I think) only a couple of games to go. They needed a win a team Leeds to keep it in their hands, Leeds presumably would have far rather United had won but the game was very tight and as Arsenal pushed for the winner they needed Leeds won it late on putting it back into United’s hands.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12588 on: April 23, 2019, 06:56:33 pm »
Are there any straws left in here?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12589 on: April 23, 2019, 06:58:35 pm »
I seriously don't think I can put myself through it

If United are winning with a 15 mins left then I will stick it on

I'm the opposite. If Manu are winning with 15 mins to go I'm switching off because the tension will be too intense.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12590 on: April 23, 2019, 07:04:30 pm »
If we were playing Everton with the prospect of them or United being champions I think we'd raise our game.

(yes, I know, it is a bizarre concept, everton challenging for the PL that is)


For me, not as bizarre as city challenging. At least Everton are a known club

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12591 on: April 23, 2019, 07:11:06 pm »
I seriously don't think I can put myself through it

If United are winning with a 15 mins left then I will stick it on

Bloody well do not. If they're winning with you not watching, just stick it out  :D
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12592 on: April 23, 2019, 07:11:35 pm »
Are there any straws left in here?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12593 on: April 23, 2019, 07:12:37 pm »
The moment the City fans start taking the piss out of Ole or start gloating about their own success is the moment that the United fans forget about their hate for us and concentrate their anger on Man City. It's practically a law of football. Other than winning yourself, there is nothing better than seeing opposing fans suffer right in front of you. When they realise they can take the piss out of damaging their neighbour's chances of winning the league the United home support will relish the pain.

Then they'll obviously come down off their high and realise they've opened the door for the Reds. That's when the self-hatred will start. But it'll be too late by then.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12594 on: April 23, 2019, 07:12:45 pm »
I'm amazed that City haven't dropped points so far.

A month or 2 ago I though 93 points would be enough. There's a genuine possibility that 97 points might not be enough now.

If I had to guess though I don't think both teams end up winning all the remaining league games and give the 97 points versus 98 points scenario. I still wouldn't be surprised if both teams drop points between now and the end of the season.

I didn't know how I did it, but at the start of the season, I just had it in my mind that 98 would be the magic number this season. So, I started putting our fixtures against the exact results that would make us get to 98 & the obvious route to it was 8 draws.

You may ask me why I didn't factor any losses, but the way we were playing for the 1st two months of this season, it didn't look like any team could outplay us & by the strength we've grown this season, we've also grown the skill of winning while not playing to our full ability. So, I genuinely thought we could keep it to 8 draws and get to 98 points. And the games I scratched off as games we could afford to draw in the order of our fixtures were Chelsea Away, Man City Home, Arsenal Away, Man United Home, Man City Away, Man United Away, Everton Away & one Spurs Home or Chelsea Home.

We went above expectations when we got to Man City Away, but that is one game where had we gone undefeated, we'd have been winning the league with comfort by now. Although I can't fault our effort in that game, we were brilliant, I had never see Man City be so scared in the own patch like they were in the last 15 minutes of that game, they genuinely parked the bus. They cleared everything that came at them. I had never seen Man City play like that in years. That rebound from Mane (clearance by Stones) had a margin of mms there. That was brutal to take, but I was still confident that we'd do it, because we won against Man United at Home (a game I scratched off as a draw for obvious reasons - rivalry, so I wanted less pressure on us in this game, Mourinho could be show spoiler, so we could take less risks in that game & Man United is one side against whom we have a bad record at Anfield. This game worked out better for us than I thought it would).

The real spoilers were the Leicester & West Ham games, but I was half expecting a bad patch in those months as we went through a rigorous December and the next couple of months uneven in terms of rest period. It took away our rhythm a bit. We went behind our target at that point of time, but since City also lost games and after their Newcastle loss, I was quite sure that the number has come down to 95 points. We couldn't make up for those draws by wining against one of Man United or Everton in the Away games, so I wasn't sure we'd even make the 94-95 that I though should be enough. At that point, I thought we'd make 93 points & fall 1 or 2 points short of Man City.

But then both teams stepped up their games in remarkable fashion (us winning against both Spurs & Chelsea & City negotiating some of their banana skins), and now the magic number is back to 98 again. 98 is possible - our best case is 97 & not so best case seems 95. So, what we need to do is achieve our best case & then see if Man City don't achieve their best case, thereby the magic number drops to 97.

In any case, we have done remarkably well to come this close to the magic number 98 points I had in mind at the start of this season & that meant there were no margin for error at all. We went past Man United Home, Spurs Home & Chelsea Home targets, but we fell short in 3 games - Leicester Home, West Ham Away & more importantly Man City Away, where we were infinitesimally close to getting the draw that we needed to get.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12595 on: April 23, 2019, 07:14:45 pm »
All it takes is one bad tackle from an over eager press by City early on and the crowd will get going.  They had quite a few of these against Spurs.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12596 on: April 23, 2019, 07:21:36 pm »
I suggest you guys watch avengers endgame instead of the manchester derby.

Agreed. Relax in the cinema, check your phone after the film and either fist bump in delight or shrug your shoulders

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12597 on: April 23, 2019, 07:23:18 pm »
If United can keep it at nil nil going into the second half the pressure will really ramp up on City. If it is still level going into the last 10 City will feel that they have to go all out for the winner, which could leave them susceptible to a counter goal. Sadly, I fear, City will probably score early and be 2 up at half-time.

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I was thinking about this exact lineup, except for Herrera instead of Fred as he could keep the ball a bit better, but is also snide & could rile up a few City players. Herrera & Fernandinho battling is one nasty contest.

But this exact formation & lineup. Lingard behind Rashford is their best attack at the moment, with Lingard exploiting the spaces around when they try to mark Rashford. But I think Ole won't do this. He'll have Martial who'll be shut out of the game. Also,if he Matic plays, then it will be really really hard as the midfield is already lost.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12598 on: April 23, 2019, 07:26:43 pm »
The moment the City fans start taking the piss out of Ole or start gloating about their own success is the moment that the United fans forget about their hate for us and concentrate their anger on Man City. It's practically a law of football. Other than winning yourself, there is nothing better than seeing opposing fans suffer right in front of you. When they realise they can take the piss out of damaging their neighbour's chances of winning the league the United home support will relish the pain.

Then they'll obviously come down off their high and realise they've opened the door for the Reds. That's when the self-hatred will start. But it'll be too late by then.

Spot on. Once that whistle goes it all changes. Whether united are good enough is a different matter, but once the whistle goes you just want those c*nts you're sharing a stadium with to suffer. We didn't lose to Chelsea in 2010 because we 'wanted to', we lost because we weren't good enough.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12599 on: April 23, 2019, 07:32:56 pm »
Very reminiscent of 1990 .... United played Villa at OT in a midweek game around now and did us a huge favour by beating them 2-0!!!

I decided to go and play 5-a-side and avoid the result until after,

At 52, I won't be doing that tomorrow! but I'm hoping for the same scoreline.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2019, 07:34:48 pm by Red_Rich »
United used to win titles on easy street, time for us to take over that real estate