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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28400 on: September 13, 2019, 11:04:07 am »
Foster has denied that
Yep - spokesman calling it rubbish.

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28401 on: September 13, 2019, 11:18:34 am »
Many people have argued the only way we can overcome right wing propaganda destroying lives is through education, teach children how to form opinions from reliable information rather than meaningless propaganda.
Whoever let this bas..near schools needs kicking out..

Jesus Christ Nigel Frottage has just said on LBC that he has spoken at 280 UK schools. WHY - who the hell is letting this tw*t influence minors.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28402 on: September 13, 2019, 11:25:12 am »
Not sure that I believe him...


And don’t forget if this was true, it is probably just renting the school hall as a meeting space at weekends
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28403 on: September 13, 2019, 11:26:56 am »
Many people have argued the only way we can overcome right wing propaganda destroying lives is through education, teach children how to form opinions from reliable information rather than meaningless propaganda.
Whoever let this bas..near schools needs kicking out..

Jesus Christ Nigel Frottage has just said on LBC that he has spoken at 280 UK schools. WHY - who the hell is letting this tw*t influence minors.
https://twitter.com/badgerthecat2/status/1172200335630376962

I wish he'd go to my kids school, I'd have my lad stand up and call him a Nazi - that'd make the news.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28404 on: September 13, 2019, 11:36:09 am »
It's so much like the Trump administration - invoking executive privilege, ignoring subpoenas, challenging shit in the courts etc.  :no

I'm sure Parliament would find the government in contempt again - except that the PM got it shut down.  :wanker  Honestly reminds me of when King Charles just dissolved Parliament at whim because they wouldn't play ball with him.

Can see similarities in how the executive behaves on some levels, at the same time, there's some pretty huge differences there too. Good example is how Trump has the backing of the institutional GOP, which shields him from a lot of consequences, whereas the Tories are what happens when the 'never Trumpers' actually have a base because the political coalition is so fractured.

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Dunt, no link yet - should be up on politics.co.uk later, on the whole "DUP will back Johnson's plan for border in the Irish Sea" story.

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The chatter begins. It always starts quietly at first, then slowly builds up. Maybe there is hope, after all. Maybe a deal with Europe can be done. Maybe Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is the man to do it.

Then come the news reports. The prime minister is startled by the implications of no-deal. The DUP are softening on regulatory separation between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. The Europeans are willing to change or erase the backstop.

It's becoming almost a tradition. Expectation builds, slowly and from multiple angles, reaches a crescendo and then finally breaks on the cold, horrible shores of reality.

Reports now suggest the Europeans would accept changes to the backstop. But these would amount to the backstop in all but name: regulatory and customs alignment as an insurance policy against the failure of 'alternative arrangements'.

The suggestions of a DUP shift are also overstated. The maintenance of alignment in the UK is more important to the party than Brexit. The latter is a key policy, the former is a near-Biblical historical commitment. They have arguably been the most consistent of all the Brexit camps since the referendum. Even when many of the ERG hardliners backed Theresa May's deal on the third attempt, they held firm.

Others insist that now Johnson has been blocked from pursuing no-deal, he's really serious about getting one. He would apparently be able to 'sell' it better than his predecessor. But after the events of the last two weeks, even that latter proposition looks dubious. He's not the master salesman he was made out to be.

And then there is the timetable. Even the most positive reports concede that the Europeans have not been shown a viable plan by the UK yet. It's far from clear that Downing Street is capable of constructing that plan. If it somehow could, it wouldn't allow it to emerge before the Conservative party conference, because all hell would break loose. But there's just over a week between the end of the conference and the crucial EU summit where the deal would need to be agreed in mid-October.

Plans for a deal of this complexity and importance can't just be unveiled at a summit. They need time to be discussed, negotiated and agreed. The timing just doesn't work. So even if there was a viable plan in place, you'd still be looking at an extension of Article 50, which takes Johnson past his self-imposed red line.

Coming back to the Commons with a deal - any deal, even one without the backstop - would also sabotage Johnson's electoral prospects. Many in the ERG and the Brexit Party now view any deal as a betrayal, quite apart from whatever the arrangements are on the Irish border.

If he lost the subsequent vote, the swerve back to no-deal would be difficult. He would not be able to regain the image he currently enjoys as someone prepared to embrace the full spiritual mission of Brexit. He'd be turned into May Mark II.

So to even consider this course he'd really need to be confident that he could get it through the Commons. And there's little reason to think he would. He would struggle to get the ERG on board. The DUP are extremely unlikely to vote for it. That means that he needs to find enough pro-deal Labour MPs to make up the numbers.

There had been hints that might be possible. A new group of pro-deal MPs, headed by Stephen Kinnock, are agitating for another crack at May's deal. But, as Chaminda Jayenetti wrote for the site this week, the deal they'd be offered by Johnson would be even worse than what they got under May.

The assurances on staying aligned with worker and environmental rights would be gone. The future relationship document would be amended to rule out customs union or single market membership in future. The fact that the rest of the UK would be able to move away from European standards, leaving Northern Ireland behind, clearly entails a move towards American deregulation in a bid to secure a deal with Donald Trump.

And despite their protestations, the Labour pro-deal contingent have, when it comes down to it, voted against this kind of outcome. People like Lisa Nandy or Caroline Flint, who have pointedly rejected Remain, have almost spotless voting records in blocking Tory Brexit deals. That deal would now be put forward in a less attractive way, by a leader they find more offensive than May. Whichever angle you look at the problem from, the votes are hard to find.

Nothing is impossible and in British politics things now change very quickly. But you would need an optimism close to pathology in order to believe that a deal was in any way likely: the incentives are not there, the ideas are not there and the votes are not there. The rest is just hopeful chatter.
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Timing issue seems especially relevant, as we've mentioned on here in the past when Johnson was telling Tories he'd get it sorted in time. We're not leaving on the 31st October even if Parliament agree on something because the EU will also need to ratify it.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28405 on: September 13, 2019, 12:16:44 pm »
Many people have argued the only way we can overcome right wing propaganda destroying lives is through education, teach children how to form opinions from reliable information rather than meaningless propaganda.
Whoever let this bas..near schools needs kicking out..

Jesus Christ Nigel Frottage has just said on LBC that he has spoken at 280 UK schools. WHY - who the hell is letting this tw*t influence minors.
https://twitter.com/badgerthecat2/status/1172200335630376962

The underfunding of the education system has been a deliberate ploy by the Tories in order to control the masses more easily.

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28406 on: September 13, 2019, 12:19:23 pm »
Many people have argued the only way we can overcome right wing propaganda destroying lives is through education, teach children how to form opinions from reliable information rather than meaningless propaganda.
Whoever let this bas..near schools needs kicking out..

Jesus Christ Nigel Frottage has just said on LBC that he has spoken at 280 UK schools. WHY - who the hell is letting this tw*t influence minors.
https://twitter.com/badgerthecat2/status/1172200335630376962
Children, that was Exhibit A.  Exhibit A was spouting what we call "Propaganda".  For the next few weeks we will be learning about "Critical Thinking" and why that's important when faced with "Propaganda".

Your homework will be explaining what you've learned to your parents and grandparents.

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28407 on: September 13, 2019, 12:27:50 pm »
Bit of a wonk thing, but plainly enough written, 'Divided Britain' (pdf) from Kings College London tries to dig into what's going on with our politics and how people are seeing things.

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Three key things the academics behind it point to:

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1. The number of people who strongly identify with a political party has declined significantly, and is now far exceeded by the number who strongly identify with their side of the Brexit vote. By 2018, only 9 per cent of the electorate said they very strongly identified with a political party, compared with nearly half of the electorate in the 1960s. In contrast, Brexit identities have established themselves in an extremely short period of time, often surpassing traditional party identities. For example, 44 per cent say they very strongly identify with their side of the Brexit vote,
compared with 9 per cent who very strongly identify with their political party.

2. People on both sides of the Brexit vote dislike the opposing side intensely even though they don’t necessarily disagree with their positions on salient issues. There is strong evidence of this ‘affective polarisation’, which is revealed in two ways:

• ‘Differentiation’, where one side views the other side’s traits as negative and its own traits as positive, or one side reduces interaction with the other side.

• ‘Perception bias’, whereby people experience the same realities in completely different ways, depending on the Brexit identities with which they associate. The extent of this affective polarisation around Brexit matches or surpasses that seen around political party identities.

The good news? We're not going all 'guns and abortion' like the States.

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3. Evidence that the UK has become more polarised when it comes to people’s positions on salient issues is much less clear. In the run-up to the EU referendum, views were polarised on a range of highly salient issues, particularly immigration. But this issue – one of the key drivers of division in the referendum – has since declined significantly in salience, and perceptions of the impact of immigration have actually become more positive, with a narrowing of the gap in opinion between Leavers and Remainers. Added to this, there are many aspects of attitudes and identity in the UK that are converging rather than polarising, such as views on key public policy challenges such as health and social care, and on issues such as gender roles, homosexuality and racial prejudice. Evidence of ‘issue polarisation’ is therefore less clear-cut.

Also a core point about what's going on now:

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Our current political situation is not just a short-term reaction to Brexit; it also reflects the fracturing of public attitudes between economic and social dimensions over a number of decades.
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It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that Britain is dividing, but not in the way that’s commonly described – not into two monolithic blocs around Brexit. It has been longer in the making than that, with more dimensions.
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Think it lends a bit of support to those who are looking for ways to try and negotiate between opinion silos, even if it suggests that the evidence points to the need for parties to realign into positions which make that even more difficult. Coalition building, even if just within a party, and all that jazz.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28408 on: September 13, 2019, 12:30:12 pm »
Brexit Party are now in control of Hartlepool Borough Council.

Really find it fucking weird anyone votes for them in local stuff. If you really actually think Brexit is the be all and end all to achieve then okay, I guess vote for them nationally or in EU Elections - but what the fuck do they offer to anyone locally? What do they even put on their leaflets? How thick are people?
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28409 on: September 13, 2019, 12:40:27 pm »
Interesting fact...Homo Sapians share 99.3 % of their DNA with Hartlepudlians.
No wonder they hung one of their own as a French spy during the Napoleonic wars.
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« Reply #28410 on: September 13, 2019, 12:46:22 pm »
That DUP story in the Times refers to NI customs union alignment with the EU being replaced by the good ol' "alternative arrangements", so even if the story wasn't bollocks anyway, the proposals in it are a non-starter.

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28411 on: September 13, 2019, 12:50:12 pm »
I wish he'd go to my kids school, I'd have my lad stand up and call him a Nazi - that'd make the news.
Imagine him and Ann Widdecombe talking to your kids and your kids coming home talking about how nice things will be after we leave the EU. not something ive ever considered till today.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28412 on: September 13, 2019, 01:10:25 pm »
If I was the EU at this stage, I'd throw a ludicrously generous offer with a caveat to show the fuckers up for what they really want.

Say the UK can do whatever they fucking want, ditch the backstop, have our shitty blue passports, set our own trade deals - the ONLY caveat being we adhere to their new anti-tax avoidance legislation. We know they'd still turn it down. That's why the c*nts all want out.

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« Reply #28413 on: September 13, 2019, 01:38:20 pm »
Why has Boris visited Yorkshire twice in less than 2 weeks?
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« Reply #28414 on: September 13, 2019, 01:40:01 pm »
Johnson heckled again on the latest stage of "all Northerners are the pro-Brexit same" tour.

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« Reply #28415 on: September 13, 2019, 01:40:50 pm »
Why has Boris visited Yorkshire twice in less than 2 weeks?

Jen Williams has put it more bluntly than most: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/boris-johnson-accused-cynical-electioneering-16878783

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The government has announced the first 100 ‘left behind towns’ to get a share of a Ł3.6bn national regeneration fund - unexpectedly including the Stockport suburb and marginal Tory seat of Cheadle.

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson had unveiled the new pot in a speech in Manchester in July , referring to the ‘long term decline’ of many areas just outside cities, including endemic health problems, generational unemployment and ‘down-at-heel’ high streets.

An M.E.N. analysis of the list of chosen areas , released today, shows a wealth of towns in marginal Labour seats in Leave-leaning areas, as well as traditional bellweather constituencies and Conservative marginals the party will be hoping to hold onto.

Tory target seats. Expect more visits to the Potteries and the Greater Manchester area to come.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28416 on: September 13, 2019, 01:45:42 pm »
Brexit Party are now in control of Hartlepool Borough Council.

Really find it fucking weird anyone votes for them in local stuff. If you really actually think Brexit is the be all and end all to achieve then okay, I guess vote for them nationally or in EU Elections - but what the fuck do they offer to anyone locally? What do they even put on their leaflets? How thick are people?
Without wanting to sound like a condescending twat, I really feel sorry for them.  It's likely a protest vote borne of frustration from seeing their town going to shit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/great-divide-hartlepool-the-town-left-behind-by-largest-cuts-9188287.html / https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/04/seaside-towns-among-most-deprived-communities-in-uk
(Spoiler: Hartlepool worst hit by Tory austerity since 2010 / Hartlepool has second highest unemployment in the UK)

They've been sold a horrible lie; the lie that a Westminster government "freed" of the EU bureaucracy will decide to invest in the area and the people of Hartlepool.

In reality they'll lose any EU funding, get nothing but another kicking from Westminster and be left with the clown school that is Brexit Party Borough Councillors.  That's on top of the shit that the rest of the country will be dealing with.

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« Reply #28417 on: September 13, 2019, 01:46:04 pm »
Thank you, Zeb. No visit to Merseyside?  ;)
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« Reply #28418 on: September 13, 2019, 01:57:01 pm »
Thank you, Zeb. No visit to Merseyside?  ;)

Haha. St.Helens is on there, as is Birkenhead, Southport and Warrington too. Won't cover Liverpool cos of criteria. Day trip to Southport as an escape from the ring of steel they'll be putting up here in Manchester in a couple of weeks?

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edit: just on his trips, said about his reception in other places, but normal people collaring him and just politely and respectfully calling him out on his BS is superb.

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« Reply #28419 on: September 13, 2019, 02:06:41 pm »
I imagine the MSM will be letting everyone know Johnson as been lying again by saying that he didn't once say that the investigating into historical child sex abuse was spaffing money up against the wall when there is audio of him saying it.
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« Reply #28420 on: September 13, 2019, 02:07:50 pm »
And well done the heckler.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28421 on: September 13, 2019, 02:18:43 pm »
Without wanting to sound like a condescending twat, I really feel sorry for them.  It's likely a protest vote borne of frustration from seeing their town going to shit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/great-divide-hartlepool-the-town-left-behind-by-largest-cuts-9188287.html / https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/04/seaside-towns-among-most-deprived-communities-in-uk
(Spoiler: Hartlepool worst hit by Tory austerity since 2010 / Hartlepool has second highest unemployment in the UK)

They've been sold a horrible lie; the lie that a Westminster government "freed" of the EU bureaucracy will decide to invest in the area and the people of Hartlepool.

In reality they'll lose any EU funding, get nothing but another kicking from Westminster and be left with the clown school that is Brexit Party Borough Councillors.  That's on top of the shit that the rest of the country will be dealing with.

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« Reply #28422 on: September 13, 2019, 02:32:24 pm »
I imagine the MSM will be letting everyone know Johnson as been lying again by saying that he didn't once say that the investigating into historical child sex abuse was spaffing money up against the wall when there is audio of him saying it.

He was probably present but not involved when he said it.

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28423 on: September 13, 2019, 02:38:52 pm »
For a bloke who they like to market as this master of charm and ‘relatable’ to the people, he really looks awkward as fuck when talking to normal people or in front of a crowd outside of Westminster, stuttering and fumbling his words, looked fucking awful so far whenever someone confronts him and doesn’t have the nerve to try and pull off the ‘lovable buffoon’ act.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28424 on: September 13, 2019, 03:03:35 pm »
For a bloke who they like to market as this master of charm and ‘relatable’ to the people, he really looks awkward as fuck when talking to normal people or in front of a crowd outside of Westminster, stuttering and fumbling his words, looked fucking awful so far whenever someone confronts him and doesn’t have the nerve to try and pull off the ‘lovable buffoon’ act.
Looks and sounds pretty shit at the despatch box - is there anywhere outside of an after dinner award ceremony for some shitty business sector that he does actually manage to handle well?

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28425 on: September 13, 2019, 03:06:07 pm »
I imagine the MSM will be letting everyone know Johnson as been lying again by saying that he didn't once say that the investigating into historical child sex abuse was spaffing money up against the wall when there is audio of him saying it.

You'd imagine correctly, I'm just watching Sky News covering it with the footage. Won't be headlines on the news at ten, or front page of the Morning Star for that matter, that Johnson told a lie though.
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« Reply #28426 on: September 13, 2019, 03:08:40 pm »
He was probably present but not involved when he said it.

Skynews are showing the clip from LBC when he said it.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28427 on: September 13, 2019, 03:09:12 pm »
You'd imagine correctly, I'm just watching Sky News covering it with the footage. Won't be headlines on the news at ten, or front page of the Morning Star for that matter, that Johnson told a lie though.
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Then got to my tube station and Alistair Campbell walked past me on the way out.

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28428 on: September 13, 2019, 03:09:34 pm »
You'd imagine correctly, I'm just watching Sky News covering it with the footage. Won't be headlines on the news at ten, or front page of the Morning Star for that matter, that Johnson told a lie though.
It'll be news when he isn't lying.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28429 on: September 13, 2019, 03:35:25 pm »
Saw an affluent older woman on my bus reading the morning star this morning. First time I think I'd ever seen a copy out and about outside of the two old men who fetishise the soviet union at their stall and pose for fist photos outside the tube (bless em).

Then got to my tube station and Alistair Campbell walked past me on the way out.
Perhaps she thought is was The Star's early morning edition!? :)
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28430 on: September 13, 2019, 03:39:41 pm »
Looks and sounds pretty shit at the despatch box - is there anywhere outside of an after dinner award ceremony for some shitty business sector that he does actually manage to handle well?

Thing which strikes me is the difference in how he speaks and how others speak. Cameron deliberately toned it down. Johnson plays it up. It's jarring. As a messenger from the Southern upper classes to the Northern poors, he's a bad one even on carefully curated poverty safaris.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28431 on: September 13, 2019, 03:44:18 pm »
I think he will eventually hone it down to a couple of fist pumps and then back on the bus.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28432 on: September 13, 2019, 06:00:18 pm »
Saw an affluent older woman on my bus reading the morning star this morning. First time I think I'd ever seen a copy out and about outside of the two old men who fetishise the soviet union at their stall and pose for fist photos outside the tube (bless em).

Then got to my tube station and Alistair Campbell walked past me on the way out.
Both extremes of the political spectrum on one bus journey amirite?
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28433 on: September 13, 2019, 07:05:43 pm »
Keir Starmer: 'A Lot Of People Think Labour Would Do Better With A Different Leader'

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Keir Starmer has said “a lot of people” think Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party “would do better with a different leader”.

In a recording passed to HuffPost UK, the shadow Brexit secretary can be heard telling business leaders in Sunderland he is “well aware” Corbyn is unpopular with some voters but that the “political reality” is that party members back him.

“I’m well aware from discussions around the United Kingdom and door-knocking and campaigning and canvassing that a lot of people think we would do better with a different leader,” Starmer says.

Starmer swiftly stressed this was not his own opinion and pointed out many of the public liked Corbyn, adding: “A lot of people think we have got the right leader but, you know, you will always pick that up.”

He went on: “I think the reality of the situation is we are in a Labour Party of 500,000 members - that is pretty amazing, the biggest political party in Europe - and we have a one-member-one-vote system for electing our leader and Jeremy Corbyn has twice been elected leader of our party and therefore is going to be taking us into the next election.

“And that is the political reality of the situation that we are in.”

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Starmer, who was answering a direct question from the audience of business leaders about Corbyn’s appeal, also suggested during the Q & A session that Labour leaders are more heavily criticised by the media.

He said: “All political leaders gets criticised and all Labour leaders get criticised and you don’t have to cast your mind back very far to ‘Red Ed Marxist Ed Miliband’ [who] was going to cause chaos against ‘calm Cameron’ who was going to steer us through.

“So this attack on Labour leaders is there and all leaders of all political parties.”

A source close to Starmer added: “It’s obvious from Keir’s comments that he was answering a question and making the very valid point that all Labour leaders throughout history get criticised by the media, commentators and others.

“He also makes clear that Jeremy has been elected twice to be Labour leader and will rightly lead it into the next election.”

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28434 on: September 13, 2019, 08:02:40 pm »
Johnson out meeting the people......... surprised a news station hasn't ask for this footage yet........

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28435 on: September 13, 2019, 09:54:24 pm »
I see the RAWK political thread has booked its annual get together.

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28436 on: September 13, 2019, 10:01:36 pm »



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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28437 on: September 13, 2019, 10:15:28 pm »
I see the RAWK political thread has booked its annual get together.


And I see your name isn't on the list of invited speakers. #conspiracy :lmao

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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28438 on: September 13, 2019, 10:19:10 pm »
I must say that Hilary Benn is one of the great politicians of our time.

We should cherish him whichever flavour of the left you come from.
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Re: Brexit - Operation YellowHammer - Item 15. Things that make you go uhmmm
« Reply #28439 on: September 13, 2019, 10:21:28 pm »
I know its Gogglebox, but Mary from Wiltshire, was getting shit off her remain husband Giles because she has turned into a No Deal leaver. She said "we can't have a second referendum as it will cause even more splits in the country, we can't have Mays deal because it is worse than what we have, so its got to be no deal" :butt
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