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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24520 on: August 17, 2019, 12:08:49 PM »
Could you point me to the statement where that comes across? I've read the statement where she dismisses Corbyn as a possible leader of a GNU because he couldn't command a majority of MPS across the house.
This article is from Wednesday evening, after Corbyn had written to the other parties, and with the initial responses from the LD's, SNP, and Lucas. Spot the differences in emphasis and tone from the other leaders. And which one is advertising a speech she's going to be making about how we should stop a No Deal.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/105925/lib-dems-reject-jeremy-corbyns-call

But the call was given a frosty reception by the other opposition parties, who either snubbed the offer or called on Mr Corbyn to go further in his commitment to halting no-deal.

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, who is due to give her own Brexit speech on Thursday, appeared to reject the gambit outright.

She said: "Jeremy Corbyn is not the person who is going to be able to build an even temporary majority in the House of Commons for this task – I would expect there are people in his own party and indeed the necessary Conservative backbenchers who would be unwilling to support him. It is a nonsense." Ms Swinson added: "This letter is just more red lines that are about him and his position and is not a serious attempt to find the right solution and build a consensus to stop a no-deal Brexit. I am committed to working in a credible way with those in other parties, and none, across Parliament to stop a no-deal Brexit and will set out how that could work in my speech tomorrow."

Meanwhile the SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford said he had already written to Mr Corbyn "a fortnight ago requesting cross-party talks in order to stop a catastrophic no-deal Brexit".

And he added: “I am pleased to receive his letter today confirming that Labour will now work with the SNP and others collaboratively to stop the UK government - but this means Labour needs to get off the fence on Brexit. I will be pleased to meet with the Labour leader and others at the earliest opportunity to work together. I can also confirm that the SNP stands ready to bring down this Tory government should Labour table a Vote of No Confidence motion. The SNP will vote against this Prime Minister and his government when the opportunity arises. However, as detailed in my previous letter, we face an urgent threat of a no-deal Brexit with the clock ticking down to the 31st October. Therefore we must act immediately and collectively to stop the Prime Minister from dragging us out of the European Union without a deal.
That means working together to find cast iron solutions. We need to explore how Parliament can take back control and use all means at our disposal to protect citizens from a damaging no-deal Brexit."

Green Party MP Caroline Lucas said she "absolutely" backed Mr Corbyn's call for a vote of no-confidence in Mr Johnson, which Labour has promised to call soon after Parliament returns from its summer recess. But the prominent supporter of the so-called 'People's Vote' campaign for a second Brexit referendum called on the Labour leader to do more to secure a fresh public vote. The Brighton Pavilion MP said: "Preventing a crash-out Brexit on the 31st October was what lay behind my proposal earlier this week. But the proposal from the Labour leader does not guarantee that the people are given the final say on Brexit. Holding a general election before a People's Vote is the wrong way around."

She added: "I would back a vote of no-confidence if Jeremy Corbyn calls it, but what I ask him to do is to guarantee that if he fails to win the confidence of the House, even for a time-limited temporary Government, that he would commit to supporting an MP who can do that, then deliver the crucial letter to the EU asking for an extension of Article 50, then a People's Vote. After that is the time to hold an election, when voters can make the choice about their representatives to take the UK forward, dealing with the pressing issues within our country."


The clue that Swinson had overplayed her hand was that by Thursday lunchtime - when Grieve, Letwin, Spelman, Boles and Bebb had indicated they would meet Corbyn; Wollaston had said he was the 'lesser of two evils' and Sturgeon (by far the canniest politician in the UK) had called Swinson's position 'daft' and asked her to 'rethink' - Swinson backtracked and said she was willing to meet to discuss how their parties could work together.

https://www.ft.com/content/5d6fb7ca-bf83-11e9-89e2-41e555e96722

Later Thursday/early Friday, when the Grieve email came to light and Change UK decided their priority in 'changing how politics works' was to not talk to Jeremy Corbyn about anything, ever, the numbers clearly were against him. But Swinson's initial reaction was still badly judged and may have hardened and influenced those rejections.

It's all politics. As I've said several times, I don't mind any party leader seeking to get a little political gain out of any situation, even stopping No Deal, because that's how politics works. But Swinson revealed a bit of naivety and inexperience in exactly how she went about it, I think - and tried for a little too much political gain while offering the Labour leadership only humiliation. The fact that the Lib Dems have had a little surge in support in recent months doesn't alter the parliamentary mathematics. She has little over 6 or 7% of the MPs Labour has, and a third of the SNPs. A low base from which to try and project herself as kingmaker and leader of the opposition.

(I also get that she'd been set upon by Labour's attack chihuahuas, too - and don't agree with the attacks. But that's politics, too).
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24521 on: August 17, 2019, 12:10:00 PM »
thinking back to how he was when he lost that no confidence vote and refused to budge, he’d probably do what boris would try to do going off how the far left are with power and not wanting to give it up
And again no actual explanation of how that would work. So you accept he can't actually do it. There's no revolution being plotted.

Hanging onto power as leader of the Labour party - much as I regret it - was entirely different, because it was within the rules of the party.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24522 on: August 17, 2019, 01:21:42 PM »
Brexit: Tory MP Oliver Letwin rejects Corbyn as caretaker PM

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Senior Tory MP Sir Oliver Letwin has said he does not support Jeremy Corbyn becoming a caretaker prime minister in a bid to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

But he backed discussions across the Commons to prevent the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal.

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Sir Oliver, who was among senior Tories who received a letter from Mr Corbyn about the plan, was asked about Mr Corbyn's proposal on BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"That appears to be his agenda. I have to say it is not one I personally share," he said.

"I don't think it's at all likely that a majority would be formed for that and I personally wouldn't want to vote for it. I wouldn't be able to support that, no."

Sir Oliver, a former cabinet minister, has led several attempts in Parliament to break the Brexit impasse and prevent a no-deal Brexit.

But he said he was "not very inclined" to help bring down the government in a no-confidence vote and would "rule it out" if it led to Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister.

His comments came amid an ongoing row among MPs who oppose no deal, with Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson initially dismissing Mr Corbyn's plan as a "nonsense".

Mr Corbyn said he assumed everyone who wanted to avoid a no-deal Brexit - including the Liberal Democrats - would vote for the motion of no confidence that Labour intends to launch against the government.

"What we need is a government that is prepared to negotiate with the European Union so we don't have a crash-out on the 31st," he added.

Anna Soubry, leader of the Independent Group, said she would "not support nor facilitate any government led by Jeremy Corbyn".

But the head of the SNP, Nicola Sturgeon, was among those applying pressure to Ms Swinson to change her stance.

The Liberal Democrat leader suggested Tory grandee Ken Clarke or former Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman could head a temporary government instead of Mr Corbyn.

Mr Clarke responded on Friday to say he was willing to lead a government of national unity to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

Asked if Mr Clarke or Ms Harman could lead the country through a political crisis, Mr Corbyn said: "What we need is a respect for the electoral process that brought about the results from the last general election."

Sir Oliver suggested the majority of MPs did not want a no-deal Brexit, although he said he was "not terribly optimistic" they would reach an agreement.

The former minister, who has agreed to meet with Mr Corbyn to discuss plans to avoid a no deal, said opponents of the government's Brexit position needed to "talk a lot" and "talk frankly".

Meanwhile, fellow senior Tory MP Dominic Grieve said there was a "a considerable head of steam growing to try to make sure that no deal doesn't occur".

He also refused to back the Labour leader to be a caretaker prime minister, telling BBC Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme it was "absolutely vital" any interim PM commanded "high levels of trust".

"I simply don't think that Jeremy Corbyn, as leader of the Labour Party - and particularly with his very strong views, which he's entitled to - is the right person," he said.

Although he said he himself would be willing to be a caretaker prime minister, he said, "there are others who are rather more suitable for doing it than I am".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49380280

In that case, instead of accepting his party's role as the official opposition for the 5 years following 2017, why has he been calling for a new election every 5 minutes?

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24523 on: August 17, 2019, 01:27:14 PM »
In that case, instead of accepting his party's role as the official opposition for the 5 years following 2017, why has he been calling for a new election every 5 minutes?
because he doesn’t accept the results of the election but the referendum result is sacrosanct

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24524 on: August 17, 2019, 01:48:49 PM »
View from the Tory side. Parris in The Times (paywall).


Redmark's right about there being limits. Against that, it does rather have everyone over a barrel. "So we put Corbyn in power, yes, we knew he was totally unfit, and guess what? He proved to be totally unfit so we had to 'no confidence' him too! Vote us!"
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24525 on: August 17, 2019, 02:42:56 PM »
View from the Tory side. Parris in The Times (paywall).
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Has this long-term opponent of British EU membership really changed his mind? Has he relegated Mr Milne? Imagine for a moment that as Labour leader, and for fierce ideological reasons, you wanted Britain out but were realistic enough to know that the short to middle-term consequences would prove unpopular with voters. What wish would you be asking your fairy godmother to grant? That a Tory did the irreversible deed, surely, leaving you to build socialism on the ruins of what the Tories leave behind. And Mr Johnson is about to oblige.
So. Matthew Paris has been reading my posts at RAWK again.
That's it, isn't it. Corbyn and his supporters imagine the rise - phoenix-like - of a great socialist republic from the ashes of Brexit. Being a Tory is bad enough, but fantasists (whatever their political leanings) are the real problem - you simply cannot reason with them.
Though, I am sure I am not the only one here to comment about Corbyn's true intentions all along. Corbyn is transparent. I do not understand why so many - even now - fail to see through him

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24526 on: August 17, 2019, 07:47:15 PM »
Haven’t been following the news much recently but the chances of us having a Government of ‘National Unity’ is fucking impossible. Of course being the summer, such stories can have traction. Will be consigned to the bin from September.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24527 on: August 17, 2019, 08:17:55 PM »
And this is Yougov saying it. 

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84% - PM Corbyn with second EU referendum
10% - no deal and no Corbyn

Lib Dem voters want

69% - PM Corbyn with referendum
18% - no deal and no Corbyn

Remain voters want

64% - PM Corbyn with referendum
23% - no deal and no Corbyn
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24528 on: August 17, 2019, 08:29:42 PM »
And this is Yougov saying it. 

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Labour voters want

84% - PM Corbyn with second EU referendum
10% - no deal and no Corbyn

Lib Dem voters want

69% - PM Corbyn with referendum
18% - no deal and no Corbyn

Remain voters want

64% - PM Corbyn with referendum
23% - no deal and no Corbyn

Were Labour voters asked about "PM anyone other than Corbyn with referendum"?

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« Reply #24529 on: August 17, 2019, 08:41:44 PM »
Here's what Aylett was trying to spin into a positive.

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Almost half (48%) of Britons would prefer to see Britain leave the EU and Jeremy Corbyn not become Prime Minister. By contrast, only just over a third (35%) would rather the Labour leader move in to Number 10 and hold a second referendum. The remaining 17% are unsure either way.



Yougov

edit: if you want a comparison, same survey gives 49% saying 'no deal' would be a bad outcome and 38% saying it would be a good one. May give some idea of the scale of Labour's problems that 24% of Labour's 2017 vote would rather 'no deal' than Corbyn become PM and 14% aren't certain.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24530 on: August 17, 2019, 08:52:10 PM »
And this is Yougov saying it. 

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Labour voters want

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10% - no deal and no Corbyn

Lib Dem voters want

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18% - no deal and no Corbyn

Remain voters want

64% - PM Corbyn with referendum
23% - no deal and no Corbyn
It’s not the public that need convincing ... it’s a handful of Tory MPs
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« Reply #24531 on: August 17, 2019, 09:09:07 PM »
The number of labour voters is drastically declining tho

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« Reply #24532 on: August 17, 2019, 09:38:26 PM »

Here's something more tangible, if also unlikely. Plaid Cymru are asking for the Welsh Assembly and Westminster Parliament to be recalled.

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Not sure of procedure at the Assembly, but Westminster requires the Government to request it of the Speaker. If it's Labour's Mark Drakeford who can recall the Senedd then doing it could provide leverage for Westminster's summer break to be cut short (due to return 3rd/4th September). Still. Unlikely.

Luciana Berger and Labour's Stephen Doughty leading the c.115 signatures on a letter demanding a Westminster recall. All the opposition party leaders are also on it bar Corbyn.


Slim to no chance of Johnson wanting to chat about his plans and risk giving MPs more time to legislate?
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« Reply #24533 on: August 17, 2019, 10:55:22 PM »

So. Matthew Paris has been reading my posts at RAWK again.Though, I am sure I am not the only one here to comment about Corbyn's true intentions all along. Corbyn is transparent. I do not understand why so many - even now - fail to see through him
I don't think anyone has failed to see what Corbyn is up to; it has been abundantly clear for years now. But politics goes on despite that. We tend to have a good idea as to what all the major players' intentions are but we still have to work as if they are all well-meaning public servants without shady agendas.

And regardless of intentions, the matter up for debate at the moment is what is likely to happen if No Deal cannot be prevented via legislation. Sadly, the likelihood is looking like MPs will not put country before party, and will see us crash out, rather than put their parties, pride and butt hurt aside
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« Reply #24534 on: August 17, 2019, 11:00:25 PM »
...Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, who is due to give her own Brexit speech on Thursday, appeared to reject the gambit outright.

She said: "Jeremy Corbyn is not the person who is going to be able to build an even temporary majority in the House of Commons for this task – I would expect there are people in his own party and indeed the necessary Conservative backbenchers who would be unwilling to support him. It is a nonsense..."

That seems a fair assessment of the situation. The criticism of Swinson seem to be based on her cutting to the chase rather than fannying around wasting time on a pointless exercise that was doomed to failure.

The ‘Corbyn as leader of a GoNU’ game requires everyone to play along with the fiction that Corbyn is competent and could actually coordinate a cross party coalition and carry the electorate.
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« Reply #24535 on: August 17, 2019, 11:39:03 PM »
I don't think anyone has failed to see what Corbyn is up to; it has been abundantly clear for years now. But politics goes on despite that. We tend to have a good idea as to what all the major players' intentions are but we still have to work as if they are all well-meaning public servants without shady agendas.

And regardless of intentions, the matter up for debate at the moment is what is likely to happen if No Deal cannot be prevented via legislation. Sadly, the likelihood is looking like MPs will not put country before party, and will see us crash out, rather than put their parties, pride and butt hurt aside
In the main, I don't mean contributors to these threads at RAWK. I mean all those Corbyn supporters out there (including members of my family) who persist in thinking he's playing a blinder, is on their side, and is some kind of 3D chess master. And way many of the PLP for a verity of shitty reasons continue to support him too, all the way from stupidity right through to self-interested cynicism.

I now have little faith that the UK will somehow avoid crashing out of the EU. But as some others have commented, there are some upsides compared to the slower death from May's WA agreement: the problems will be stark, immediate, and without the filtering/clouding effects of being gradual.
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« Reply #24536 on: August 18, 2019, 12:19:27 AM »
That seems a fair assessment of the situation. The criticism of Swinson seem to be based on her cutting to the chase rather than fannying around wasting time on a pointless exercise that was doomed to failure.

Or her preference for a slightly pointless exercise doomed to failure on her terms.

There's been a lot of focus on whether 14 Lib Dems, 5 Change UK, 13 Independents and 8-10 Tories can back a Labour minority government (and in truth, that's what Corbyn was offering - not a GNU) or not. But any GNU led by Clarke or similar is going to need the vast majority of Labour's 247 MPs. A small group of Hoey etc will vote with the government. A Labour led administration would have been the best prospect of keeping Kinnock's group of 30+ onside, and there are plenty of sceptics on the front bench who will now be able to snipe at any other compromise suggestions.

We better hope parliament has some crafty legislative mechanisms in mind. And more importantly, can agree on which one to use.
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« Reply #24537 on: August 18, 2019, 12:31:34 AM »
Could it be that Corbyn, Swinson et al's overwrought bellicosity about potential GoNU line-ups in public might actually be beneficial, if it lets the more thoughtful and technically-minded MPs get on with privately discussing legislatory strategy in the background, so they can knock out Johnson and co with an unexpected southpaw while his eye is on all the GoNU noise?

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« Reply #24538 on: August 18, 2019, 12:35:27 AM »
Could it be that Corbyn, Swinson et al's overwrought bellicosity about potential GoNU line-ups in public might actually be beneficial, if it lets the more thoughtful and technically-minded MPs get on with privately discussing legislatory strategy in the background, so they can knock out Johnson and co with an unexpected southpaw while his eye is on all the GoNU noise?

It's what I would be doing if I was Cooper, Letwin, Starmer, Benn etc. Let the blowhards argue away in public while we formulate a legislatory campaign - what legislation to attempt, in which order, what the fall-backs are etc
It's absolutely notable that most of those are keeping quiet in public and presumably maintaining the back channel discussions they've been having for months. I'm just not convinced a majority is going to coalesce around any strategy, though.
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« Reply #24539 on: August 18, 2019, 11:36:15 AM »
Or her preference for a slightly pointless exercise doomed to failure on her terms.

There's been a lot of focus on whether 14 Lib Dems, 5 Change UK, 13 Independents and 8-10 Tories can back a Labour minority government (and in truth, that's what Corbyn was offering - not a GNU) or not. But any GNU led by Clarke or similar is going to need the vast majority of Labour's 247 MPs. A small group of Hoey etc will vote with the government. A Labour led administration would have been the best prospect of keeping Kinnock's group of 30+ onside, and there are plenty of sceptics on the front bench who will now be able to snipe at any other compromise suggestions.

We better hope parliament has some crafty legislative mechanisms in mind. And more importantly, can agree on which one to use.


Kinnock's group of 30 or so supposedly want Brexit with a Deal not a No Deal Brexit, given a GNU would only get an extension to avoid no deal as opposed to block Brexit, there is really nothing there to force them to vote against, unless they really are shallow enough to think about their own election prospects and are happy to go for an option they know will be disastrous just so they can't be portrayed as stopping Brexit.

A few on the more Brexity end of the spectrum in Labour would probably vote against or abstain though, but you are still looking at fewer losses than you gain in the centre ground, but it only works if the Labour leadership is willing to compromise on the PM choice, which I doubt, even if they do I suspect the numbers are very tight.

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« Reply #24540 on: August 18, 2019, 12:42:58 PM »
Kinnock's group of 30 or so supposedly want Brexit with a Deal not a No Deal Brexit, given a GNU would only get an extension to avoid no deal as opposed to block Brexit, there is really nothing there to force them to vote against, unless they really are shallow enough to think about their own election prospects and are happy to go for an option they know will be disastrous just so they can't be portrayed as stopping Brexit.

A few on the more Brexity end of the spectrum in Labour would probably vote against or abstain though, but you are still looking at fewer losses than you gain in the centre ground, but it only works if the Labour leadership is willing to compromise on the PM choice, which I doubt, even if they do I suspect the numbers are very tight.
A GNU will seek an extension pending either an election or a referendum. I think you're significantly underestimating the number of Labour MPs in leave constituencies who want neither of those things to happen any time soon. Rebelling against a GNU which has a large number of vocal people in it who certainly do want to stop 'any Brexit' would be much easier for them than rebelling against a Labour minority administration enacting party policy.

My point is simply that the focus on the relatively small numbers of centrist and Tory wets is in danger of ignoring, or taking for granted, rather larger numbers of Labour MPs who are not at all inclined to stop all forms of Brexit. In doing so, and what we're already seeing, is the opening up of the gaps and disagreements between the varied flavours of anti-No-Deal rather than against the No Deal government.

If we then stumble into No Deal because of a lack of cohesion from it's opponents, we can look forward to plenty of arguments about who is to blame, when the answer will be 'all of the above', to some degree or another.
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24541 on: August 18, 2019, 02:06:59 PM »
It's not just Labour MPs who won't back a specific outcome not their own from the off. The bulk of the Tory revolt will be from MPs who still want Brexit, just not 'no deal'. It's probably similar sized numbers in each party to be honest. 30 - 50 MPs a side (think it's currently 27 Tories who've outed themselves as being opposed to 'no deal' and won't get to stand next election unless/until they do - Tory pro-Johnson press hasn't stopped hammering on them since). Labour ones finding it much easier to justify votes as not supporting the government, of course.

In any case, there's more than one road to Johnson's desired story of "They stole our perfect Brexit".

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edit: should really be common sense, but New Statesman's Stephen Bush spelling it out in a column for the Sunday Times (paywall).

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24542 on: August 18, 2019, 04:10:31 PM »
 Brexit Secretary signs order to scrap 1972 Brussels Act - ending all EU law in the UK

The Government has signed into law legislation to repeal the Act of Parliament which set in stone Britain’s EU (EEC) membership in 1972.
Published 18 August 2019

From:
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The 1972 Act is the vehicle that sees regulations flow into UK law directly from the EU’s lawmaking bodies in Brussels.

The announcement of the Act’s repeal marks a historic step in returning lawmaking powers from Brussels to the UK. We are taking back control of our laws, as the public voted for in 2016.

The repeal of the European Communities Act 1972 will take effect when Britain formally leaves the EU on October 31.

Speaking after signing the legislation that will crystallise in law the upcoming repeal of the ECA, the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU Steve Barclay said:

    This is a clear signal to the people of this country that there is no turning back - we are leaving the EU as promised on October 31, whatever the circumstances - delivering on the instructions given to us in 2016.

    The votes of 17.4 million people deciding to leave the EU is the greatest democratic mandate ever given to any UK Government. Politicians cannot choose which public votes they wish to respect. Parliament has already voted to leave on 31 October. The signing of this legislation ensures that the EU Withdrawal Act will repeal the European Communities Act 1972 on exit day.

    The ECA saw countless EU regulations flowing directly into UK law for decades, and any government serious about leaving on October 31 should show their commitment to repealing it.

    That is what we are doing by setting in motion that repeal. This is a landmark moment in taking back control of our laws from Brussels.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brexit-secretary-signs-order-to-scrap-1972-brussels-act-ending-all-eu-law-in-the-uk
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24543 on: August 18, 2019, 04:15:16 PM »
It means nothing in reality.

It the withdrawal date is changed or doesn’t happen then it’s a defunct act..
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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24544 on: August 18, 2019, 04:17:08 PM »


Would a Labour Government not have done the same if enacting its form of Brexit?
I don't do polite so fuck yoursalf with your stupid accusations...

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« Reply #24545 on: August 18, 2019, 08:47:20 PM »
Brexit Secretary signs order to scrap 1972 Brussels Act - ending all EU law in the UK

The Government has signed into law legislation to repeal the Act of Parliament which set in stone Britain’s EU (EEC) membership in 1972.
Published 18 August 2019

From:
    Department for Exiting the European Union



The 1972 Act is the vehicle that sees regulations flow into UK law directly from the EU’s lawmaking bodies in Brussels.

The announcement of the Act’s repeal marks a historic step in returning lawmaking powers from Brussels to the UK. We are taking back control of our laws, as the public voted for in 2016.

The repeal of the European Communities Act 1972 will take effect when Britain formally leaves the EU on October 31.

Speaking after signing the legislation that will crystallise in law the upcoming repeal of the ECA, the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU Steve Barclay said:

    This is a clear signal to the people of this country that there is no turning back - we are leaving the EU as promised on October 31, whatever the circumstances - delivering on the instructions given to us in 2016.

    The votes of 17.4 million people deciding to leave the EU is the greatest democratic mandate ever given to any UK Government. Politicians cannot choose which public votes they wish to respect. Parliament has already voted to leave on 31 October. The signing of this legislation ensures that the EU Withdrawal Act will repeal the European Communities Act 1972 on exit day.

    The ECA saw countless EU regulations flowing directly into UK law for decades, and any government serious about leaving on October 31 should show their commitment to repealing it.

    That is what we are doing by setting in motion that repeal. This is a landmark moment in taking back control of our laws from Brussels.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brexit-secretary-signs-order-to-scrap-1972-brussels-act-ending-all-eu-law-in-the-uk

This relates to what many suspect is the underlying motive for the entire Brexit process, namely to avoid being beholden to the EU Anti Tax Avoidance and Money Laundering regs.

https://www.taxjustice.net/2019/01/23/brexit-and-the-future-of-tax-havens/

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/is-the-anti-tax-avoidance-directive-the-reason-the-rich-want-out-of-eu-1-5669763


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« Reply #24546 on: August 18, 2019, 09:35:50 PM »
This whole Barclay signing that Act is red meat to the thicker of the avid Brexit lot and nothing more.

Someone nobody has heard of in a Cabinet role that won’t exist in a few months signing an act that could easily be made obsolete...

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« Reply #24547 on: August 19, 2019, 11:56:18 AM »
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Great look for the Labour party when journalists asking legitimate questions about a caretaker govt, how long Corbyn wants to remain in power, and issues on parliamentary arithmetic, are barely heard over heckles from Corbynistas like it's a football match, not a political event.

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1163401281597313024

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« Reply #24550 on: August 19, 2019, 12:22:24 PM »
Is there footage?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1163409051750981639

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.@andybell5news asks whether Jeremy Corbyn would be willing to step aside and let someone else lead a govt of national unity.

Labour members at the speech try to drown him out, one shouting "what a disgrace!" Others heckling.

Incredible hostility towards journalists.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1163400481936478208

Such behaviour would be appalling at any time but the timing is especially awful during a speech in which Corbyn called Johnson "Britain's Trump" Still the GOP Labour "moderates" are happy to put him into power.
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« Reply #24551 on: August 19, 2019, 12:30:59 PM »
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1163409051750981639

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1163400481936478208

Such behaviour would be appalling at any time but the timing is especially awful during a speech in which Corbyn called Johnson "Britain's Trump" Still the GOP Labour "moderates" are happy to put him into power.

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« Reply #24552 on: August 19, 2019, 12:33:10 PM »
Don't know who this is. Don't know which part of the Labour party they're from. But if it's ever revealed who's said it, make sure they're responsible for nothing more important than the choice of biscuits at meetings.

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Labour MPs are drawing up a plan to reverse Brexit AFTER we have left the EU – if Jeremy Corbyn fails in his bid to lead a national unity government.

A unity coalition of anti-Brexit politicians would need to be formed by early September to have any hope of stopping PM Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson crashing the UK out of the EU without a deal on October 31.

But a senior Labour MP said: “ Brexit has torn up the constitutional rulebook.

So just because something is done it doesn’t mean it can’t be undone.

“So once Article 50 is ­triggered we can pass ­legislation to untrigger it.”

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« Reply #24553 on: August 19, 2019, 12:42:24 PM »
Wouldn’t trust them with the biscuits, they’ll mess up the celiacs in the room

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« Reply #24554 on: August 19, 2019, 12:43:34 PM »
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Journalists booed and heckled as they question Corbyn on Brexit. Not good. Audience reminded to ‘be polite’.

https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1163400484897644546

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Sad to see journalists being heckled at @jeremycorbyn event.

Journalists have to be able to ask uncomfortable questions!!!

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1163400770672373760

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« Reply #24555 on: August 19, 2019, 12:45:38 PM »
Don't know who this is. Don't know which part of the Labour party they're from. But if it's ever revealed who's said it, make sure they're responsible for nothing more important than the choice of biscuits at meetings.

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Re: Brexit Magic Flying Rainbow coloured Unicorn jolly tip-top-ho! Gosh! Thread.
« Reply #24556 on: August 19, 2019, 12:45:43 PM »
Not the first time politicians have shown themselves to be ignorant of the process and terminology of Brexit. Among the many, many reasons why revoking A50 would be the most sensible action going forward is this lack of understanding. You wouldn't let scientists of engineers or doctors meddle with nature or build structures and systems or carry out procedures when they didn't understand what they were doing. It's irresponsible to go ahead with something that is so poorly understood.

Maybe after revoking all politicians could attend a mandatory course to teach them what leaving the EU entails, and how all the steps work, and what effects they have. Maybe some wouldn't so keen to do it then.
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« Reply #24557 on: August 19, 2019, 12:47:26 PM »
Makes perfect sense to try to reverse Brexit after leaving the EU if it can't be done before.


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« Reply #24558 on: August 19, 2019, 12:48:30 PM »
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1163400484897644546

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1163400770672373760

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« Reply #24559 on: August 19, 2019, 12:49:00 PM »
Still the GOP Labour "moderates" are happy to put him into power.

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