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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #440 on: January 16, 2019, 07:42:10 PM »
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #441 on: January 16, 2019, 07:42:35 PM »
51 games [90 minutes] X 4 HOURS = I am not sure that's true.

Divided by number of staff, though.
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #442 on: January 16, 2019, 07:44:29 PM »
Divided by number of staff, though.

Good point but still that's a lot for just analysis on one single team with how much time in between the previous game and when they played Derby?


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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #443 on: January 16, 2019, 07:51:59 PM »
Good point but still that's a lot for just analysis on one single team with how much time in between the previous game and when they played Derby?

I would imagine it was being done for every team from the first day of his arrival. At that level, it's a 10-hour day at least. The scouts are there to just analyse games, so that's all they are really doing all day - watching games and compiling reports. 10 hours per day, 5-6 days per week, for what, 20-30 weeks? That's enough time to get the basic work done, and then add the games as they go by week to week, I think
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #444 on: January 16, 2019, 08:11:06 PM »
Don’t you just love an overseas coach coming over here and doing one on holier than thou sanctimonious ‘spirit of St George’ ‘morally upstanding’ pundits like Pearce, Henry Winters, Jenas etc?

What a gift to English football he is. More of this, and less of your Brexiteering c*nts like Allardyce and Wanker.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #445 on: January 16, 2019, 08:11:18 PM »
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We've just been told that Marcelo Bielsa is ‘set to resign’ as @LUFC manager

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #446 on: January 16, 2019, 08:15:25 PM »
That’s fucking brilliant
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #447 on: January 16, 2019, 08:30:27 PM »
Probably the best one upmanship I’ve seen from a manager towards the media and pundits. Essentially telling them ‘I’m smarter than all you lot put together’.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #448 on: January 16, 2019, 08:33:39 PM »
Probably the best one upmanship I’ve seen from a manager towards the media and pundits. Essentially telling them ‘I’m smarter than all you lot put together’.

He's probably the smartest coach in the game, if not the smartest, easily top 3. He's got coaches using many of his methods all over the place. He just chooses really difficult jobs and is ludicrously intense. His ideas on football are pretty much without parallel in the modern day game though.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #449 on: January 16, 2019, 08:37:10 PM »
He's probably the smartest coach in the game, if not the smartest, easily top 3. He's got coaches using many of his methods all over the place. He just chooses really difficult jobs and is ludicrously intense. His ideas on football are pretty much without parallel in the modern day game though.

Definitely up there with Pep, and of course, Alan Pardew
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #450 on: January 16, 2019, 08:38:25 PM »
It reminded me of this  ;D


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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #451 on: January 16, 2019, 08:44:09 PM »
Definitely up there with Pep, and of course, Alan Pardew

any opinions on Bielsa's press conference, PoP? I'd love to read your thoughts on it :)

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #452 on: January 16, 2019, 08:54:22 PM »
I would imagine it was being done for every team from the first day of his arrival. At that level, it's a 10-hour day at least. The scouts are there to just analyse games, so that's all they are really doing all day - watching games and compiling reports. 10 hours per day, 5-6 days per week, for what, 20-30 weeks? That's enough time to get the basic work done, and then add the games as they go by week to week, I think

That would make more sense than in between matches.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #453 on: January 16, 2019, 08:56:49 PM »
That would make more sense than in between matches.

Bielsa's just crazy enough to make them do that work within a week though :D
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #454 on: January 16, 2019, 09:00:10 PM »
any opinions on Bielsa's press conference, PoP? I'd love to read your thoughts on it :)

Great stuff. There's nothing new under the coaching sun. Unless you're Frank Lampard, apparently ;D

I used to do scouting reports for some Scandinavian women's pro teams. Unpaid, though. But even with their low resources, there is a lot of this going on. I'm shocked but not shocked that the English media made a big deal of it.
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #455 on: January 16, 2019, 10:45:41 PM »
I love Bielsa, if he got to manage us for a season one day I think it'd be insanely fun. Love that his argument is we've spied on Derby, yes, because I want every piece of information I can get because I'm clearly stupid. But anyway, here's a full run down for free on everything I know about Derby. Sorry, Frank.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #456 on: January 16, 2019, 10:52:02 PM »
He's probably the smartest coach in the game, if not the smartest, easily top 3. He's got coaches using many of his methods all over the place. He just chooses really difficult jobs and is ludicrously intense. His ideas on football are pretty much without parallel in the modern day game though.

Yet he's also always the reason for his own downfall.  He's a masochist in that he readily acknowledges that he asks his players to do things he knows aren't humanly possible to do and that eventually it will fall apart.  Yet he keeps doing it.  Granted I have barely watched Leeds this year so maybe he's changed.  If not then come the Spring I'd bet that Leeds is in a tailspin as every player is dead on their feet during their games.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #457 on: January 16, 2019, 11:08:35 PM »
Enjoyable FA Cup tie on BBC 1 tonight. Derby knocked out Saints on penalties after a 2-2 draw. Harry "Coutinho" Wilson scored yet another free kick. ;D

Derby could be dark horses to go quite far in the competition. Lampard's doing well.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #458 on: January 16, 2019, 11:48:12 PM »
Definitely up there with PoP, and of course, Alan Pardew
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #459 on: January 16, 2019, 11:54:18 PM »
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #460 on: January 16, 2019, 11:56:52 PM »
Enjoyable FA Cup tie on BBC 1 tonight. Derby knocked out Saints on penalties after a 2-2 draw. Harry "Coutinho" Wilson scored yet another free kick. ;D

Derby could be dark horses to go quite far in the competition. Lampard's doing well.

In the cups.

In the league, they are worse off than at the same point last season.

Last season after 27 games: 2nd place, 52 points, 44 goals scored, 23 conceded

This season after 27 games: 6th place, 43 points, 38 goals scored, 34 goals conceded
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #461 on: January 17, 2019, 12:01:05 AM »
Great stuff. There's nothing new under the coaching sun. Unless you're Frank Lampard, apparently ;D

I used to do scouting reports for some Scandinavian women's pro teams. Unpaid, though. But even with their low resources, there is a lot of this going on. I'm shocked but not shocked that the English media made a big deal of it.


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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #462 on: January 17, 2019, 12:01:53 AM »


It was EXACTLY like that! Only colder.
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #463 on: January 17, 2019, 12:08:09 AM »
In the cups.

In the league, they are worse off than at the same point last season.

Last season after 27 games: 2nd place, 52 points, 44 goals scored, 23 conceded

This season after 27 games: 6th place, 43 points, 38 goals scored, 34 goals conceded
True, but the playing style has changed, which always affects a new manager's first season. They are much more aggressive this season. There's no way the Derby of last season would have played the aggressive game they did against Southampton tonight (or at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge). I think the change is very positive.

Ultimately, time will tell, but they finished 6th last season and I don't see why they can't repeat that this season, whilst going on decent cup runs. I'm impressed with the job Lampard has done so far, having initially thought he'd sink like a stone.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #464 on: January 17, 2019, 12:57:33 AM »
It was EXACTLY like that! Only colder.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #465 on: January 17, 2019, 01:52:38 AM »
True, but the playing style has changed, which always affects a new manager's first season. They are much more aggressive this season. There's no way the Derby of last season would have played the aggressive game they did against Southampton tonight (or at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge). I think the change is very positive.

Ultimately, time will tell, but they finished 6th last season and I don't see why they can't repeat that this season, whilst going on decent cup runs. I'm impressed with the job Lampard has done so far, having initially thought he'd sink like a stone.

Leeds' playing style also changed, and they are top of the league ;D

He's done okay, don't get me wrong. But there is no reason why he couldn't have matched Bielsa's effect on Leeds with the same situation of play-style change. I mean, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer did the same thing at United and they've gone on a winning run of 6 games without losing or drawing.

I just don't see what he's done that is "impressive".
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #466 on: January 17, 2019, 01:56:31 AM »
Leeds' playing style also changed, and they are top of the league ;D

He's done okay, don't get me wrong. But there is no reason why he couldn't have matched Bielsa's effect on Leeds with the same situation of play-style change. I mean, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer did the same thing at United and they've gone on a winning run of 6 games without losing or drawing.

I just don't see what he's done that is "impressive".

I don't think he's as much of a wanker as I used to so I suppose that's somewhat impressive.
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #467 on: January 17, 2019, 02:20:10 AM »
Leeds' playing style also changed, and they are top of the league ;D

He's done okay, don't get me wrong. But there is no reason why he couldn't have matched Bielsa's effect on Leeds with the same situation of play-style change. I mean, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer did the same thing at United and they've gone on a winning run of 6 games without losing or drawing.

I just don't see what he's done that is "impressive".
Yeah, but that's one example. Klopp changed Liverpool's style of play and we finished 8th, lower than Rodgers had ever finished. Rodgers himself changed the style and we were like 10th at Christmas in his first season. Even Rafa's first season in the league was worse than Houllier's last.

I'm sure there are many other examples at other clubs too. Sure, you get managers like Bielsa and Conte who come to a club and win the title / promotion straight away, but it's also very common for managers to come in and suffer a little bit in their first season if they make big changes; it's not a black mark on Lampard that he's following that trend.

I think he's done a good job so far, but looks like we will have to agree to disagree.



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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #468 on: January 17, 2019, 03:01:48 AM »
Yeah, but that's one example. Klopp changed Liverpool's style of play and we finished 8th, lower than Rodgers had ever finished. Rodgers himself changed the style and we were like 10th at Christmas in his first season. Even Rafa's first season in the league was worse than Houllier's last.

I'm sure there are many other examples at other clubs too. Sure, you get managers like Bielsa and Conte who come to a club and win the title / promotion straight away, but it's also very common for managers to come in and suffer a little bit in their first season if they make big changes; it's not a black mark on Lampard that he's following that trend.

I think he's done a good job so far, but looks like we will have to agree to disagree.

For sure. He's doing what would be expected of him at Derby, which is keep them in the playoff positions, and as I said in the thread about him, I'm quite impressed he took a job like Derby. I just don't see how having them in a worse position at the same point as last season is impressive, and that's not a slight on him. But for sure, it's just a difference of opinion :)

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #469 on: January 17, 2019, 09:29:08 AM »
But there is no reason why he couldn't have matched Bielsa's effect on Leeds with the same situation of play-style change.

I doubt Bielsa would have had the same effect on Leeds if this was his first season in management.
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #470 on: January 17, 2019, 01:54:29 PM »
He's absolutely fucking brilliant. Hopefully see him in the Premier League next season.
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #471 on: January 17, 2019, 02:35:00 PM »
I doubt Bielsa would have had the same effect on Leeds if this was his first season in management.

I don't know - he did win the Apertura in his first season in a manager's job, and the title decider after it ;D
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #472 on: January 17, 2019, 05:01:04 PM »
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #473 on: January 17, 2019, 05:50:46 PM »
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #474 on: January 17, 2019, 06:20:41 PM »
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #475 on: January 17, 2019, 10:00:06 PM »
What does everyone think of Martin O’Neill being confirmed as the new Notts Forest manager, with Roy Keane likely to follow?

I think it’s a strong appointment bringing in a proven manager with the club in his heart. They’re on an upturn, fighting for a pay off spot, and I can see Forest back in the prem either this or next year.

Would be fascinating to eventually see Roy Keane transition into the number 1 spot in a few years. One to watch
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #476 on: January 17, 2019, 10:01:24 PM »
What does everyone think of Martin O’Neill being confirmed as the new Notts Forest manager, with Roy Keane likely to follow?

I think it’s a strong appointment bringing in a proven manager with the club in his heart. They’re looking to be on an upturn and I can see Forest back in the prem either this or next year.

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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #477 on: January 17, 2019, 10:04:43 PM »
What does everyone think of Martin O’Neill being confirmed as the new Notts Forest manager, with Roy Keane likely to follow?

I think it’s a strong appointment bringing in a proven manager with the club in his heart. They’re on an upturn, fighting for a pay off spot, and I can see Forest back in the prem either this or next year.

Would be fascinating to eventually see Roy Keane transition into the number 1 spot in a few years. One to watch
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #478 on: January 17, 2019, 10:18:38 PM »
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Re: Skybet Championship Thread 2018/19
« Reply #479 on: January 17, 2019, 10:37:37 PM »
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