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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #440 on: December 1, 2018, 05:25:08 PM »
Sounds like Wilson was back playing wide right having played a few games in midfield. 2 goals in a 2-1 win. Keep it up young man.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #441 on: December 1, 2018, 06:35:11 PM »
That first strike beats every keeper that has ever lived. Insanely good.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #442 on: December 1, 2018, 06:37:54 PM »
That first strike beats every keeper that has ever lived. Insanely good.

For those into their cricket that is a Waqar Younis late swinging express yorker. You donít keep them out.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #443 on: December 1, 2018, 06:43:02 PM »
For those into their cricket that is a Waqar Younis late swinging express yorker. You donít keep them out.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #444 on: December 1, 2018, 06:45:29 PM »
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #445 on: December 1, 2018, 07:09:19 PM »
For those into their cricket that is a Waqar Younis late swinging express yorker. You donít keep them out.

For a brief moment there you almost made cricket sound interesting.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #446 on: December 1, 2018, 07:10:58 PM »
For a brief moment there you almost made cricket sound interesting.


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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #447 on: December 1, 2018, 07:13:44 PM »
My pity for you knows no bounds - or boundaries if you prefer.

You hit him for 6 with that one.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #448 on: December 1, 2018, 07:31:14 PM »
You hit him for 6 with that one.

Yeah, was a long hop mind.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #449 on: December 1, 2018, 07:37:06 PM »
I think Ibe's hype was scaled off Sterling, and how short we were on pacey, skillful wide players. Wilson's hype seems more grounded to me, as he's being compared against our world-class lineup in Mo, Shaq and Mane, and there's healthy reservation about his physicality.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #450 on: December 1, 2018, 07:45:40 PM »
Lads absolutely on fire, love it  ;D

Exactly what you want to see from a loan
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #451 on: December 1, 2018, 07:53:19 PM »

A bit average in many ways...

We are only seeing the highlights... is it down to the system, him, development?  Who knows
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #452 on: December 1, 2018, 07:53:55 PM »
Heís the real deal is Wilson. His strike rate, first for Hull City and now Derby, is first class. But heís got so much more to offer than shooting technique. Iíve been noticing for a while now how superbly he receives a pass while on the move. And if you look at the first goal again today it showcases another of his talents - which is that he keeps his eye on the ball and the movement behind him, even though heís ahead of both. Heís a back-pedaller! Consequently heís always finding space in the final third of the pitch.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #453 on: December 1, 2018, 07:59:08 PM »
9 goals for club and country since 22nd September. NINE!

I wonder how much of it is down to having the right manager to get the best out of his particular skillset- if there's one thing Fat Frank knows, it's how to score goals from midfield.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #454 on: December 1, 2018, 08:00:31 PM »

A bit average in many ways...

We are only seeing the highlights... is it down to the system, him, development?  Who knows

I'd rather him not be as adept at the things Klopp can teach him than be good at them and have zero end product to be honest

There will be a good deal of room for improvement, he's still what 21/22?

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #455 on: December 1, 2018, 08:01:34 PM »
For those into their cricket that is a Waqar Younis late swinging express yorker. You donít keep them out.

He did that while tampering with his balls? In that case it was even more special.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #456 on: December 1, 2018, 09:42:41 PM »
Harry Wilson is going to be the next British star, he's showing early signs I've last seen with the likes of Harry Kane and Gareth Bale. This lad knows how to truly hit a ball from distance (in that camp there's been Gerrard and Lampard too). Now, we have to see how he develops other aspects of his game.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #457 on: December 1, 2018, 09:45:22 PM »

A bit average in many ways...

We are only seeing the highlights... is it down to the system, him, development?  Who knows
The complete lack of dribbles is interesting. Must be something system related as he was doing alright with Hull.

I still don't think he has the all round game to make it at the very top mind. But goals stand out and he's doing that well on the Championship.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #458 on: December 1, 2018, 10:05:02 PM »
I hope people donít pigeon hole him into thinking he is just about long range shooting and set pieces, heís a good dribbler, quite frankly can pass as good or has as good of a touch as any of our wide forwards and has great movement and awareness, he is quite obviously a star, the question is what doesnít he do well? I havenít seen one poster explain with a logical argument.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #459 on: December 1, 2018, 10:06:40 PM »
The complete lack of dribbles is interesting. Must be something system related as he was doing alright with Hull.

I still don't think he has the all round game to make it at the very top mind. But goals stand out and he's doing that well on the Championship.

His all round game is good enough for him to be deployed as a centre mid, as far as all round game goes he isnít any less well rounded than Mane or Salah despite him obviously being not as good yet.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #460 on: December 1, 2018, 10:09:00 PM »
Marko Grujic is back fit now, and was straight back into Hertha's starting 11, he's played 90 mins in both their last 2 games - a win and a draw vs Hannover 96 and Hoffenheim.

Hertha fans have really taken to him, and seems he's the one guy in midfield who can win headers  :D  They would love for him to stay at Hertha if it where at all possible.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #461 on: December 1, 2018, 10:09:28 PM »
Premier league is very different from scoring against some crappy championship side though.

Thereís not really a lot of good premier league teams either.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #462 on: December 1, 2018, 10:11:36 PM »
Is Wilson a fast player?

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #463 on: December 1, 2018, 10:13:54 PM »
Is Wilson a fast player?

Yes he is despite some people strangely trying to paint him as average paced, he doesnít play in a way which always exposes his pace but he is fast, heís always been.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #464 on: December 1, 2018, 10:14:21 PM »
His all round game is good enough for him to be deployed as a centre mid, as far as all round game goes he isnít any less well rounded than Mane or Salah despite him obviously being not as good yet.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #465 on: December 1, 2018, 10:19:44 PM »
Come on, i know you're his biggest fan but this just isn't true.

It blantantly is, and his overall game including his touch and passing is why he could dovetail between wing and central midfield positions so easily, even though he only ever played as a forward here. When playing there he has looked every bit the central midfield player that Mount has who is more natural to that position and would probably end up there long term. For Wales he has played as the number 10 in the game before last ahead of Brooks for that same reason, he can pass he can move and take players out of the game from a central position.

Saying that his best qualities are still his shooting and movement, this paints a picture of a player as well rounded and as intelligent as anyone in our forward line actually, and he does look Shaqiri like because of that also.
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« Reply #466 on: December 1, 2018, 10:24:10 PM »
Yes he is despite some people strangely trying to paint him as average paced, he doesnít play in a way which always exposes his pace but he is fast, heís always been.

So he's rapid and has got a deadly shot on him - would the Ox position be what he'd be best suited to in our 4-3-3?

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #467 on: December 1, 2018, 10:26:48 PM »
So he's rapid and has got a deadly shot on him - would the Ox position be what he'd be best suited to in our 4-3-3?

I still think he would be best as a forward either as part of the three or as a number 10, I donít think he is quite as balanced and as good going the other way to play Centre mid long term and certainly not to the level of Ox, going forward I think he could be used in a similar way to the way weíve used Shaqiri.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #468 on: December 1, 2018, 10:35:31 PM »
Coolie, you really donít do the lad any favours with some of the utter hyperbole you come out with about him.

Heís had a good loan spell at Hull and he seems to be having a better loan spell at Derby, and heís done well in a few games for Wales. Heís in fantastic form right now, itís great to see. But nothing heís done even remotely suggests heís better at anything than Mane or Salah, itís absolutely preposterous to even suggest it (apart from free kicks). Heís playing at Championship level, you canít just ignore that and you canít use a couple of cup games as proof he can do it at the highest level. Mo was doing that, at the same age, scoring in European semi finals. What heís doing at the moment suggests heís probably ready to be an option off the bench for us, but it also suggests the loan was what he needed. Just be patient, his time will come here.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #469 on: December 1, 2018, 10:45:11 PM »
I donít think itís hyperbole you do, Iíve actually been consistent with my opinions since before he left on loan since then he hasnít done anything to change my opinion in fact he has confirmed it, heís a real talent good enough to play at this club, easily.

I actually said he isnít as good but the problem is maybe how you see football, he can be as well rounded as any of those players without yet being at that level consistently, Shaqiri certainly was and many including myself couldnít see it till we saw it day in day out at our own club, lucky for me Iíve seen Wilson for years and Iíve seen Mane and Salah too, whatever level he is at you can still judge his ability, which is why when that same argument was being used against him when he was scoring left right centre at reserve level, I pretty much ignored it, lo and behold the same people saying itís just  Ďreserve football, he probably wonít do the same at championship level, are using the same argument only this time to justify why he wonít do the same at Pl level, even though most of the Pl is full of shite quality and the actually times heís played against top 6 opposition heís been man of the match, scored and won penalties playing with players half of the quality of those he would be playing with here.

When you bring the line of itís just championship players maybe also consider that he isnít playing with the quality of Firmino Salah Keita and the likes either.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #470 on: December 1, 2018, 10:46:12 PM »
And also worth remembering that the bottom 10 of this league wouldnít look out of place in the Championship.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #471 on: December 1, 2018, 11:08:21 PM »
And also worth remembering that the bottom 10 of this league wouldnít look out of place in the Championship.

...and full of players who also tore up the Championship and have done nothing more than okay in the Premiership.

No one is saying he wonít make it or canít make it, it just doesnít need the incessant building up of him in comparison to our front three. Doesnít help the lad at all. I mean Ďas well rounded and intelligent as anyone in our front threeí....? Not only was Mo playing at a higher level at the same age, but heís improved at an almost super human rate since then. Heís just set records for goalscoring in this league. And Mane is Mane and Bobby is Bobby. Theyíre three pretty much elite forwards. And we donít really have any cover for the wide positions, so itíd be great to see him start off there. But he isnít even close to any of them, well rounded, intelligent, multi faceted, whatever. And why would he be?
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #472 on: December 2, 2018, 12:36:02 AM »
...and full of players who also tore up the Championship and have done nothing more than okay in the Premiership.

No one is saying he wonít make it or canít make it, it just doesnít need the incessant building up of him in comparison to our front three. Doesnít help the lad at all. I mean Ďas well rounded and intelligent as anyone in our front threeí....? Not only was Mo playing at a higher level at the same age, but heís improved at an almost super human rate since then. Heís just set records for goalscoring in this league. And Mane is Mane and Bobby is Bobby. Theyíre three pretty much elite forwards. And we donít really have any cover for the wide positions, so itíd be great to see him start off there. But he isnít even close to any of them, well rounded, intelligent, multi faceted, whatever. And why would he be?

I understand you a bit, but maybe we see things different. When Trent Arnold was 16 player in the reserves, he was already a better footballer technically than Clyne who was playing at a much higher level and an England regular and member of the first team. When Wilson was 19 players in the reserves, he was already and i said this at the time, the best set piece taker at this club. I didn't have to see him play in the first team to say that, because football is football, and when a young player can striker straight through a ball at 40 yards and impart dip and pace and do all the things which deems a good set piece taker at that level, i don't have to say that because for example Mane or Lallana are players with greater experience that they should be better set piece takers than Wilson.

Wilson is a player who has only played wide forward as a youngster, suddenly get games at Centre midfield, his not only played there but excelled, because of his composure touch and general awareness as a footballer, you wouldn't put a Traore or Ibe in centre midfield, you wouldn't put Salah or Sane there, even at that level. Why Lampard thought to play him there, and Giggs play him as a number 10 is partly because he has the attributes, attributes his had since he was 16 technically, and also a intelligence and understanding to play that position.

You say that and in the same token remember as a forward, what seperated  him from Kent or Ibe while here, was his movement composure and finishing near the box, and general intelligence and understanding of the wide forward position, especially pertaining to what we saw from our best prototype wide forwards in Sterling Mane then Salah, like these players he knew when and where to run, and he was more composed when faced with the proposition of finishing an opportunity. This was at youth and reserve level, fast forward a few years, and an example of what i'm talking about can be seen in a game against top 6 PL opposition where he ran in behind, broke Uniteds line of defence and was left with a goalkeeper who was forced to take him out and get sent off in the process. The same runs he used to do for the u18's he was doing against the 2nd biggest team in the land, in the biggest stadium in the land. A run that Salah does time and time again, as does Sterling or most top wide forwards, he shares this in common with Salah, yet as i explained is also trusted to play as a centre midfield, what does that tell you off his well roundedness, his intelligence and understanding? But of course until he starts exhibiting these skills against Ryan Sessegnon, Ciaran Clark and Charlie Taylor week in week out, as opposed to Martin Olsson and Jamal Lewis, you may not understand what i mean.


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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #473 on: December 2, 2018, 12:43:42 AM »
SHIT! Did you see that? He must have a foot like a traction engine

That.......was a goal!
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #474 on: December 2, 2018, 12:54:01 AM »
He's always been our rough diamond but unfortunately people would rather hype up lesser prospects than someone who has been the msoty consistent youth product in terms of productive output that I personally have seen come through. Yes he's now 21 but he missed about two years worth of football and wasn't blessed with the physicality of Sterling to ease the integration. But in terms of numbers he's outperformed his peers at u18, next gen, u21, u23 and on his first full loan and now is starting to do it on his second.

The loan was probably good for him but he will definitely score goals for us next season. He reminds me so much of Kewell at Leeds it's uncanny.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #475 on: December 2, 2018, 01:00:53 AM »
He's always been our rough diamond but unfortunately people would rather hype up lesser prospects than someone who has been the msoty consistent youth product in terms of productive output that I personally have seen come through. Yes he's now 21 but he missed about two years worth of football and wasn't blessed with the physicality of Sterling to ease the integration. But in terms of numbers he's outperformed his peers at u18, next gen, u21, u23 and on his first full loan and now is starting to do it on his second.

The loan was probably good for him but he will definitely score goals for us next season. He reminds me so much of Kewell at Leeds it's uncanny.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #476 on: December 2, 2018, 02:26:02 AM »
I don't think he has the needed pace to play on the forward lines for us, so the question is whether his other attributes can compensate for that to allow him to do so.

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #477 on: December 2, 2018, 02:36:43 AM »
He's always been our rough diamond but unfortunately people would rather hype up lesser prospects than someone who has been the msoty consistent youth product in terms of productive output that I personally have seen come through. Yes he's now 21 but he missed about two years worth of football and wasn't blessed with the physicality of Sterling to ease the integration. But in terms of numbers he's outperformed his peers at u18, next gen, u21, u23 and on his first full loan and now is starting to do it on his second.

The loan was probably good for him but he will definitely score goals for us next season. He reminds me so much of Kewell at Leeds it's uncanny.
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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #478 on: December 2, 2018, 01:23:26 PM »
I don't think he has the needed pace to play on the forward lines for us, so the question is whether his other attributes can compensate for that to allow him to do so.

Doesn't look any slower than Bobby is or Phil was to be fair to him

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Re: Loan Watch 2018-2019
« Reply #479 on: December 2, 2018, 01:33:40 PM »
I don't think he has the needed pace to play on the forward lines for us, so the question is whether his other attributes can compensate for that to allow him to do so.

The lad's fast, certainly quicker than the likes of  Shaqiri, Bobby, Solanke and possibly Origi.
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