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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2560 on: February 1, 2019, 10:24:30 AM »
How much experience do you think he's had with snow?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2561 on: February 1, 2019, 11:40:58 AM »
How much experience do you think he's had with snow?

He's from Brazil not Columbia mate.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2562 on: February 1, 2019, 12:19:21 PM »
How much experience do you think he's had with snow?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2563 on: February 1, 2019, 12:59:54 PM »
He's from Brazil not Columbia mate.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2564 on: February 1, 2019, 08:20:15 PM »
He knows all the words to Informer

One for the kids there.


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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2565 on: February 1, 2019, 08:25:37 PM »
He knows all the words to Informer

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2566 on: February 1, 2019, 08:32:49 PM »
He knows all the words to Informer

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2567 on: February 1, 2019, 10:46:38 PM »
How much experience do you think he's had with snow?

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2568 on: February 1, 2019, 10:51:36 PM »
He knows all the words to Informer

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« Reply #2569 on: February 3, 2019, 10:19:56 AM »
Yes and in a way I'm surprised other teams don't do the same as it is an affective tactic if done properly. It's typical of Puel's approach that he would highlight that and get Leicester to use it directly.

We want them to press our GK though. His distribution speed, quality of pass and vision is so good he can play through the press. Either into midfield if it’s the opponent’s midfield and attack that have pushed up to press our GK and defence, or if their defence has also pushed up to keep their pitch compact, then he’s capable of getting the ball beyond them for Salah, Mane.

The pitch was horrendous the other day and that made it easier for Leicester to press in those situations, but it’s not always going to work. In fact, normally the opposite happens, and Allison’s seeding counter attacks. See Arsenal at Anfield for example.

He’s amazing for our team - one of the key pillars in it. Man City were impressive in how they shut him down at the Etihad last month - they pressed his passing lines as opposed to pressing him himself. That shut down those quick passes, but at the same time they acknowledged that pressing him on the ball wasn’t the best way to shut his distribution down as he’s so good on the ball.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2570 on: February 3, 2019, 11:29:12 AM »
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2571 on: February 3, 2019, 12:23:42 PM »
He's the best keeper we have had in decades..
He's been phenomenal so far this season and one of the main reasons why we are top of the league..
The very best of keepers will make the odd mistake over the course or a season.. And that's all he's made, the odd mistake..

So everyone just needs to chill the fuck out and relax..  :butt
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2572 on: February 3, 2019, 12:42:50 PM »
He's started more moves that have led to goals this season than mistakes he's made anyway, added to the match saving saves he's made too. He's going to make the odd mistake but really who gives a fuck if he's still saving our arses more of than not?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2573 on: February 4, 2019, 11:08:54 PM »
I rewatched the WH goal again and noticed something that has been bugging me for a while. I know that there are some goalkeeping experts here, so I'd appreciate any insight. Why doesn't Alisson try to save shots with his feet? I think that's a common theme with other games (whether a shot resulted in a goal or not). Antonio's shot was seemingly perfect for a save with a foot.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2574 on: February 4, 2019, 11:12:28 PM »
I rewatched the WH goal again and noticed something that has been bugging me for a while. I know that there are some goalkeeping experts here, so I'd appreciate any insight. Why doesn't Alisson try to save shots with his feet? I think that's a common theme with other games (whether a shot resulted in a goal or not). Antonio's shot was seemingly perfect for a save with a foot.
His legs aren’t 3 meters long?
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2575 on: February 4, 2019, 11:15:00 PM »
His legs aren’t 3 meters long?
That's not the insight I was looking for, but OK.  ;)

Rewatch the game and see where the ball passed. Alisson didn't try because he had his legs firmly planted, because he doesn't use them in such situations (IMHO). If he did, he could have tried to block / deflect the shot, and I thought it's doable. 
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2576 on: February 4, 2019, 11:17:39 PM »
That's not the insight I was looking for, but OK.  ;)

Rewatch the game and see where the ball passed. Alisson didn't try because he had his legs firmly planted, because he doesn't use them in such situations (IMHO). If he did, he could have tried to block / deflect the shot, and I thought it's doable. 
If his legs were 3m long, he’s.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2577 on: February 4, 2019, 11:27:53 PM »
If his legs were 3m long, he’s.
We agree on that.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2578 on: February 4, 2019, 11:38:05 PM »
I rewatched the WH goal again and noticed something that has been bugging me for a while. I know that there are some goalkeeping experts here, so I'd appreciate any insight. Why doesn't Alisson try to save shots with his feet? I think that's a common theme with other games (whether a shot resulted in a goal or not). Antonio's shot was seemingly perfect for a save with a foot.
Didn't he save that near own goal against Leicester with his feet? Although it wasn't a shot, so maybe that doesn't count. Don't mean to have a go, but I think Tepid has a point when he says he'd have needed 3m long legs to save today's shot. At first I thought he could maybe have dived for it or done better somehow, but the shot was taken early and was perfectly placed.

Maybe he could have set himself a bit earlier, but to be honest I think it was just one of those things. Even the best keepers face shots that make them look a bit stupid sometimes. Maybe I'm being overly kind to him, but I don't think there was much he could have done with that one tonight. Should add that I'm in no way a goalkeeping expert though, so may be reading this all wrong.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2579 on: February 4, 2019, 11:40:56 PM »
It was a fantastic finish. In off the post, taken early, hit low and hard. Not a goalkeeper on this planet that’s saving that.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2580 on: February 5, 2019, 12:19:40 AM »
He started leaning slightly to his left just before the shot, so by the time the ball is near his right leg, his weight is all to his left.

Would have to have reflexes of a cat to shift like that and save it.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2581 on: February 5, 2019, 12:19:48 AM »
Nothing he could have done to that goal really.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2582 on: February 5, 2019, 12:19:56 AM »
It was a fantastic finish. In off the post, taken early, hit low and hard. Not a goalkeeper on this planet that’s saving that.

Nonsense.

There wasn't a great deal of pace on the shot at all and Alisson closed the angle well - why he didn't react only he could tell you, I'd assume because he had shifted to his left, but plenty of goalkeepers could save that shot including him.
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« Reply #2583 on: February 5, 2019, 12:48:13 AM »
Nonsense.

There wasn't a great deal of pace on the shot at all and Alisson closed the angle well - why he didn't react only he could tell you, I'd assume because he had shifted to his left, but plenty of goalkeepers could save that shot including him.
You're in a small minority calling Alisson out for their goal tonight.

Before tonight's game he'd conceded 7 goals from the last 11 shots on target that he'd faced, and tonight's another one, so it's fair to say his form has dipped.

Tonight's goal though, although he's made a slight move to his left and is rooted as the shot goes past, you can't say too much when the attacker puts a shot in off the far post from well inside the box.

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« Reply #2584 on: February 5, 2019, 12:50:33 AM »
You're in a small minority calling Alisson out for their goal tonight.

Before tonight's game he'd conceded 7 goals from the last 11 shots on target that he'd faced, and tonight's another one, so it's fair to say his form has dipped.

Tonight's goal though, although he's made a slight move to his left and is rooted as the shot goes past, you can't say too much when the attacker puts a shot in off the far post from well inside the box.

Or another way to look at it is we are giving up much better opportunities with a makeshift back four meaning he has less chance to stop players scoring.

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« Reply #2585 on: February 5, 2019, 12:51:44 AM »
Or another way to look at it is we are giving up much better opportunities with a makeshift back four meaning he has less chance to stop players scoring.
Yeah, it's not just him. He's part of a defence whose form has dropped collectively.

We are having a blip. It happens.

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« Reply #2586 on: February 5, 2019, 12:59:45 AM »
You're in a small minority calling Alisson out for their goal tonight.

Before tonight's game he'd conceded 7 goals from the last 11 shots on target that he'd faced, and tonight's another one, so it's fair to say his form has dipped.

Tonight's goal though, although he's made a slight move to his left and is rooted as the shot goes past, you can't say too much when the attacker puts a shot in off the far post from well inside the box.
Why does an honest question have to be associated with a blame? Goals happen, and yes, it was a team failure, not Alisson's mistake.

Regardless of the end-effect, goal or not, I was asking those in the know of goalkeeper techniques why doesn't Alisson try to stop shots with shots feet? How much does that depend on the keeper, how much is a matter of training. Maybe spreading himself big is as effective, maybe he's playing against other situational probabilities. I ask, because I don't know. 
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« Reply #2587 on: February 5, 2019, 01:20:09 AM »
Why does an honest question have to be associated with a blame? Goals happen, and yes, it was a team failure, not Alisson's mistake.

Regardless of the end-effect, goal or not, I was asking those in the know of goalkeeper techniques why doesn't Alisson try to stop shots with shots feet? How much does that depend on the keeper, how much is a matter of training. Maybe spreading himself big is as effective, maybe he's playing against other situational probabilities. I ask, because I don't know. 
I wasn't actually talking to you.

Anyway, Alisson made a good save with his feet from Bobby on Wednesday.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2588 on: February 5, 2019, 04:33:36 AM »
Or another way to look at it is we are giving up much better opportunities with a makeshift back four meaning he has less chance to stop players scoring.
Here the XG of the 7 goals during 2019 WH(.04), Total XG for game .79, for the game Leicester goal was .4, Leicester had 1.09 XG, Palace goals on xg of .13,.11,.09 with a total XG .82. City was .05 and .06. He did make a save .49 and .32 in the city game and city XG was 1.18
Most of these goal have been really good shots on low XG goals, Antonio and Sane goal both hit the post.

His Save percent is current 77.27%(51/66), he normally a little closer to 80%. Here Babuhttps://twitter.com/babuyagu/status/1076908199473754117 comparing him pickford number the EPL save percentage number has changed since then however mostly trying to show his career save percentage in Italy and Brazil.

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« Reply #2589 on: February 5, 2019, 02:38:34 PM »
That's not the insight I was looking for, but OK.  ;)

Rewatch the game and see where the ball passed. Alisson didn't try because he had his legs firmly planted, because he doesn't use them in such situations (IMHO). If he did, he could have tried to block / deflect the shot, and I thought it's doable. 

Because if he sets himself to get low and save it with his feet, he's not able to move at all if the player cuts the ball back.

His entire goal was exposed. But for Rice (i think) being wrongly concerned about being offside and stopping, Allison was fully exposed for a cutback tap-in or for a placed shot in absolutely any direction high or low.

Those worried about Allison would be better served asking questions of our defensive set piece organisation/line and discipline (pretty much since TAA was injured, and we've had midfielders playing there). And why the wall (of one or two) repeatedly didn't know how to handle short set piece routines, most catastrophically for their goal.

But if people are more concerned with finding individuals to blame for the last two goals should probably be looking at our other colossus (the centre back one).

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« Reply #2590 on: February 5, 2019, 03:22:00 PM »
That's not the insight I was looking for, but OK.  ;)

Rewatch the game and see where the ball passed. Alisson didn't try because he had his legs firmly planted, because he doesn't use them in such situations (IMHO). If he did, he could have tried to block / deflect the shot, and I thought it's doable.

He saved a ball off the line against Leicester with his legs. Mark Schwrazer was on the last day and said keepers aren't trained to save shots with their feet.
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« Reply #2591 on: February 5, 2019, 05:45:17 PM »
Re: legs save. I just have that mental picture, and I could be wrong, but I remember Cech in his prime years was very active saving with his feet, Van der Saar was too, De Gea is exceptional at that, even Mignolet does it more than Ali. Does that make the above better keepers? No. but it's a feature of the game the some players emphasize more than others, and I'm trying to understand the reason why. I don't recall, but I don't think that Pepe made too much of those saves either.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2592 on: February 5, 2019, 05:56:36 PM »
Re: legs save. I just have that mental picture, and I could be wrong, but I remember Cech in his prime years was very active saving with his feet, Van der Saar was too, De Gea is exceptional at that, even Mignolet does it more than Ali. Does that make the above better keepers? No. but it's a feature of the game the some players emphasize more than others, and I'm trying to understand the reason why. I don't recall, but I don't think that Pepe made too much of those saves either.

Mark Schwarzer was on the debate a couple of weeks ago and said keepers aren't trained to save with their feet, the ones that do it more often just do it naturally and if they're good at it coaches will allow it but generally they're taught to save with their hands. He said saving with your feet is more prevalent in futsal so maybe those players played more of it growing up.
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« Reply #2593 on: February 5, 2019, 06:07:25 PM »
Mark Schwarzer was on the debate a couple of weeks ago and said keepers aren't trained to save with their feet, the ones that do it more often just do it naturally and if they're good at it coaches will allow it but generally they're taught to save with their hands. He said saving with your feet is more prevalent in futsal so maybe those players played more of it growing up.

There should be no way that the Brazilian Becker played less futsal than the Europeans, given that they invented the game ;D

It's possible, though.

On that goal, though, it wasn't a matter of saving with his feet or not. He got caught flat-footed, and it looked to me like he was expecting the near-post shot. Once it didn't happen, I think he realised he was f&*&ed, and just didn't do anything.
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« Reply #2594 on: February 5, 2019, 06:09:53 PM »


Before tonight's game he'd conceded 7 goals from the last 11 shots on target that he'd faced, and tonight's another one, so it's fair to say his form has dipped.


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« Reply #2595 on: February 5, 2019, 06:09:53 PM »
There should be no way that the Brazilian Becker played less futsal than the Europeans, given that they invented the game ;D

It's possible, though.

On that goal, though, it wasn't a matter of saving with his feet or not. He got caught flat-footed, and it looked to me like he was expecting the near-post shot. Once it didn't happen, I think he realised he was f&*&ed, and just didn't do anything.

Oh I've no idea who played more futsal when they were younger just passing on what Schwarzer said  ;D
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« Reply #2596 on: February 5, 2019, 06:15:58 PM »
Watched it again - he literally gets caught on the hop. As soon as he plants his foot, the shot is taken. He messed it up, but to be honest, he was static before the shot was even taken.

It was well-worked by West Ham. They did us good and proper on that one.
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« Reply #2597 on: February 5, 2019, 06:16:28 PM »
You know when you have a not great result and then see a player thread at the top of the page and think ‘naaaah surely he’s not getting stick!!!’?

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2598 on: February 5, 2019, 06:17:47 PM »
I think Alisson like all of our defensive players at the moment are becoming more stretched in view of the changes we're having to make with the injuries we have. Before they were part of a well oiled unit, now they are having to get used to other players, with the result being more mistakes are being made overall. I'm not suggesting he was entirely at fault but the rhythm of the defence like that of the team, has gone a little bit awry. I'm sure once we go back to being a regular back four again, things will improve. Trent coming back will certainly help. In the meantime they will all have muck in to get the team through this patchy form.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alisson Ramses Becker
« Reply #2599 on: February 5, 2019, 06:52:58 PM »
Alisson's Save Percentage per game. Trending slightly downwards, but his peaks are perfect, although he has crashed and burned twice this season (Cardiff, Crystal Palace)

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