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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15360 on: September 4, 2020, 01:11:02 PM »
There's no precedence for the club to go back further than the 19/20 season.
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« Reply #15361 on: September 4, 2020, 01:12:19 PM »
There's no precedence for the club to go back further than the 19/20 season.

An incomplete season?

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« Reply #15362 on: September 4, 2020, 01:15:38 PM »
We only played 15 at home... so the max is 15

Is right, sorry.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15363 on: September 4, 2020, 01:29:36 PM »
Liverpool are hoping to partially reopen Anfield with a capacity of around 12,500 for next month’s Premier League fixture against Sheffield United.

Discussions are ongoing but the visit of Chris Wilder’s side, currently scheduled for October 24, has been pencilled in as the first home game to be played in front of fans since the club’s Champions League exit at the hands of Atletico Madrid on March 11.

The Athletic understands the plan is to use all four stands and implement social distancing measures so Anfield will be operating at around 23 per cent of its usual 54,000 capacity.

Liverpool have held ongoing talks with supporters’ groups since the initial lockdown caused by the COVID-19 pandemic in March and recent fans’ forums have discussed plans to reopen the stadium with club officials taking feedback on board.

Billy Hogan declared that getting fans back into Anfield was his “immediate priority” after officially starting work as the club’s new CEO this week. “There is a lot of work going on to figure out how we do that and most importantly how we do it safely,” he said. “An amazing team of people are working behind the scenes to look at what those challenges present.”

Every home game played behind closed doors costs Liverpool more than £3 million in lost revenue.

The big dilemma is how to go about distributing those 12,500 tickets. Liverpool have around 27,000 season ticket holders and around 11,000 members who have all the relevant credits to be eligible for a seat.

Fans will likely have to opt into a ballot. Tickets cannot be transferred, either, as Liverpool need to know exactly who is inside the ground and exactly where they are sitting to comply with NHS Test and Trace measures.

Liverpool say they are still working on the finer details and will continue to take advice from both the government and the Premier League.

“There’s nothing concrete in terms of proposals at this stage but the dialogue with the club has been very positive,” a source from one of the fans’ groups involved in the discussions with Liverpool told The Athletic. “Some Premier League clubs have just said, ‘This is what we’re doing, end of story’. But to their credit, Liverpool have sought to engage with the fans.

“They’ve been in listening mode and 12,500 is the kind of figure they are talking about. They are having to make big changes to the concourses and the areas outside the ground, which still form part of the club’s footprint.

“The ratio of season ticket holders in the ground should be roughly the same to what it usually is for games. Depending on demand, a season ticket holder could be looking at only being able to attend one in every four matches until the capacity can increase. Not everyone is going to be satisfied but it’s not an easy situation for anyone.

“There could be up to 500 away fans allowed in too but that’s going to come down to a Premier League-wide decision based on government advice on things such as travelling to and from games.”

With the ongoing uncertainty and reluctance to take money up front that could have to be refunded, Liverpool have decided to suspend the season ticket renewal process and their “Auto Cup Scheme”, which allows season ticket holders and members to secure tickets for cup competitions. Instead, they will sell tickets to fans on a match-by-match basis.

No credits will be accrued for future seasons because the club do not want to penalise supporters who, for a variety of reasons, may decide they don’t wish to attend games in the current climate.

Hundreds of Anfield stewards took part in a Zoom call with club officials on Tuesday night to learn more about the reopening.

They were informed that fans will have to wear face masks and the plan is to use the large exit gates rather than turnstiles when it comes to supporters entering the ground to avoid confined spaces. Despite the heavily reduced capacity, Liverpool will still operate with around 670 stewards on match days.


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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15364 on: September 4, 2020, 01:41:04 PM »
Can't seem to figure out how to make a poll.

If an admin/someone who is bored maybe make a separate thread for a poll of 'are you returning to the match'? Genuinely curious as it's 50/50 in the 15-odd people I've asked who are eligible (STHs/full home credits)
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« Reply #15365 on: September 4, 2020, 01:42:23 PM »
Can't seem to figure out how to make a poll.

If an admin/someone who is bored maybe make a separate thread for a poll of 'are you returning to the match'? Genuinely curious as it's 50/50 in the 15-odd people I've asked who are eligible (STHs/full home credits)

Would be a lot higher if credits counted :D

People might see it as an opportunity to save money, stay safe and the atmosphere just wont be the same

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« Reply #15366 on: September 4, 2020, 01:45:53 PM »
Would be a lot higher if credits counted :D

People might see it as an opportunity to save money, stay safe and the atmosphere just wont be the same

haha yeah, no doubt. Risking our health to preserve those credits. ;D Think it's definitely the money/atmosphere/safety putting people off. Others just want something to do with their weekends again lol.
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« Reply #15367 on: September 4, 2020, 02:17:52 PM »
When summarising your credits are you guys counting the games that were cancelled or assuming that credit won’t be used? ... So expect the maximum is 16 rather than 19?
which makes using 13/15 nonsense

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15368 on: September 4, 2020, 02:37:13 PM »
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The big dilemma is how to go about distributing those 12,500 tickets. Liverpool have around 27,000 season ticket holders and around 11,000 members who have all the relevant credits to be eligible for a seat.

Does that mean we have 11k on 13+?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15369 on: September 4, 2020, 02:39:50 PM »
Does that mean we have 11k on 13+?



No. I think 11k is the whole members allocation

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« Reply #15370 on: September 4, 2020, 03:05:20 PM »
No. I think 11k is the whole members allocation

Ah OK, thought it seemed a lot! In that case what they say isn't quite accurate as not all 11k would be eligible for every game normally.
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« Reply #15371 on: September 4, 2020, 03:30:28 PM »
Were for the charity shield

Members on 19 should get treated the same... they've attended the same number of matches and also paid more for the privilege...

You don't see ST holders getting priority on league away sales (unless it drops to 0 credits)

STH get priority in cup sales, in cup final tickets.

They are treated differently. Why does a lad who happens to have full credits on his card get in at the same opportunity as a STH who's been going for years?

Don't count on it. As ever people will be annoyed.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15372 on: September 4, 2020, 07:13:10 PM »
Does that mean we have 11k on 13+?

That’s how I read it although there aren’t 11k on 13+ (Surely) so I was hoping the member criteria was a bit lower.

Im expecting the uptake to be relatively low from STHs and members from particularly the older generation. There’s a lot of them in the ground

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« Reply #15373 on: September 4, 2020, 07:22:37 PM »
STH get priority in cup sales, in cup final tickets.

They are treated differently. Why does a lad who happens to have full credits on his card get in at the same opportunity as a STH who's been going for years?

Don't count on it. As ever people will be annoyed.

Season ticket holders were not given priority for Kiev or Madrid (just a ballot for season ticket holders and members who had attended 6 games). Also, Graham said this earlier this year, referring to how when we have ACS next, anyone who was in ACS the previous season will be guaranteed to be in it again.
Members and STH will have equal advantage in the ACS next year,

If a member or STH was in the ACS this year they equally get the same chance to be in it again.

STHs are buying tickets for games somethings nine or ten months in advance - not four or five.

Many STHs have had tickets for forty years plus not the Members scheme that has only bene in place for around ten.

And any erosion of the disparity in the last few years has been almost solely to favour members.

Season ticket holders are probably still going to be prioritised for the game by game cup sales (from the 2021/22 season onwards) though (this is not really relevant though as barely any season ticket holders will buy in these sales as they have been able to get into ACS with no credits up until last season). Anyway what’s so wrong with someone who has been on full credits for years as a member being recognised as equal to a season ticket holder. They haven’t and probably won’t ever have the opportunity to join the waiting list for a season ticket (most members are quite young), as it’s been closed for 9 years. Unless they know someone, building up credits on a membership is the only hope for a kid to get to Anfield these days.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15374 on: September 4, 2020, 10:11:34 PM »
Why does a lad who happens to have full credits on his card get in at the same opportunity as a STH who's been going for years?


Works both ways

Why does a lad who happens to have full credits on his card get in at the same opportunity as a STH who's got a season ticket off the waiting list last year having not been to a game prior...


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« Reply #15375 on: September 4, 2020, 10:37:44 PM »
STH and members with full credits go into a ballot?  None of the games this season will count for credits going forward, so a ballot is surely the fairest way?  Could be that STH and full credits are guaranteed x amount of home games next season each, but those games are drawn via a ballot. 

The logistical side of things is just going to be a total nightmare.  Getting people safely in and out of the ground and surrounding areas will be a huge task.  Test and trace will have to be spot on.  I know a few STH who only attend the big games and sell their tickets to others for games they don't want.  How will that be stopped?  Photographic ID?  What if an area goes into a local lock down.  How will they stop those people from travelling and getting into the ground?  Will that ticket be flagged up when scanned to get into the ground?

Obviously if a local lock down happened round Anfield, or a big second wave hit, then all of this is out of the door.

Whatever they choose, it won't please everyone.  I'm just happy for good health right now, football will come back to what it use to be at some point further down the line.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15376 on: September 4, 2020, 10:39:19 PM »
Couple of basic questions lads. No credits for any games this season, so does this mean mine will be carried over to the next season where they count?

Also, I assume the ACS will be based on the 19/20 season and before when it is reintroduced? I managed to get on the FA Cup ladder this season and have league Cup credits also.

Getting to Anfield from Ireland this season is a pipedream for me. Hope some of you get in.
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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15377 on: September 5, 2020, 06:47:28 AM »
STH get priority in cup sales, in cup final tickets.

They are treated differently. Why does a lad who happens to have full credits on his card get in at the same opportunity as a STH who's been going for years?

Don't count on it. As ever people will be annoyed.

"Happens to have". In fairness they are people who have grafted for years to get into that position, endured endless of hours of frustration and queuing to get to full credits where as some STH merely had the tickets passed to them. I wouldn't be so dismissive of memberships.
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« Reply #15378 on: September 5, 2020, 07:14:42 AM »
"Happens to have". In fairness they are people who have grafted for years to get into that position, endured endless of hours of frustration and queuing to get to that full credits where as some STH merely had the tickets passed to them. I wouldn't be so dismissive of memberships.

Exactly, after reading about the number of tickets being passed down or passed on to others it’s hard to believe a lot of STHs have actually been to more games than some of the more regular members.

As a side note a STH or members card should be used by one person in my opinion...shouldn’t be passed on. Just like the STH exchange, if you can’t go the game a member should also be able to sell it back on for re-sale. I’d like to see that going forward

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« Reply #15379 on: September 5, 2020, 10:40:11 AM »
"Happens to have". In fairness they are people who have grafted for years to get into that position, endured endless of hours of frustration and queuing to get to full credits where as some STH merely had the tickets passed to them. I wouldn't be so dismissive of memberships.

There's literally a guy two posts up talking of STH's who only go to the big games and sell the rest

STHs are some of the most disloyal fans we have.

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« Reply #15380 on: September 5, 2020, 10:47:57 AM »
Hahaha wonder if the STH will have to do a tour around the ground in different seats! Being a lowly member it's one I've half occasionally enjoyed and mainly hated.
(And wonder how that might work for costs).

Glad the club have put out all the information lately, and really all makes a lot of sense.

One element makes me slightly nervous, which is should we progress in the CL which is many months away when the situation and risk might be so much less, I'd be gutted not to be attending those games but for one season, I think I'll cope. Don't plan to enter a ballot the rest of this year, and will assess it in 2021 so quite happy overall.

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« Reply #15381 on: September 5, 2020, 02:45:27 PM »
There's literally a guy two posts up talking of STH's who only go to the big games and sell the rest

STHs are some of the most disloyal fans we have.
Really, is that all of us being tarred with that brush?, I've not missed a game in three years and rarely missed many at all over the last 15years, I get some do move them on but you cant make a sweeping statement which is probably based on anger that you cant get one yourself
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« Reply #15382 on: September 5, 2020, 02:53:35 PM »
Really, is that all of us being tarred with that brush?, I've not missed a game in three years and rarely missed many at all over the last 15years, I get some do move them on but you cant make a sweeping statement which is probably based on anger that you cant get one yourself

Anger that often stems from the fact so many STH get their tickets  passed on by friend or relative and not the waiting list.

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« Reply #15383 on: September 5, 2020, 05:06:42 PM »
"Happens to have". In fairness they are people who have grafted for years to get into that position, endured endless of hours of frustration and queuing to get to full credits where as some STH merely had the tickets passed to them. I wouldn't be so dismissive of memberships.

You realise there are members out there who have multiple cards with loads of credits?

We all know they are out there. Always looking to move a spare on, meeting five lads before the the game.
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« Reply #15384 on: September 5, 2020, 07:08:27 PM »
There's literally a guy two posts up talking of STH's who only go to the big games and sell the rest

STHs are some of the most disloyal fans we have.

It'll be the same at a lot of the bigger clubs.  It's something you just have to accept as it's not going to change unless they bring in some form of ID for each game, I've been sorted by STH's in the past for some league games.  It's not just STH's tho, it's members as well with a lot of credits.  I've seen it with the ACS in the CL as well.  When we played Barca, so many people sold their tickets on for good money thinking we were down and out....... Serves them right IMO lol.

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« Reply #15385 on: September 5, 2020, 07:33:19 PM »
Really, is that all of us being tarred with that brush?, I've not missed a game in three years and rarely missed many at all over the last 15years, I get some do move them on but you cant make a sweeping statement which is probably based on anger that you cant get one yourself

Just read through the STH fan update thread. Also the amount of tourists with green cards in their hand with no clue where their seat is I see every game as well.

This problem is rife with STHs and members alike. That's all I'm saying.

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« Reply #15386 on: September 5, 2020, 09:53:03 PM »
Just read through the STH fan update thread. Also the amount of tourists with green cards in their hand with no clue where their seat is I see every game as well.

This problem is rife with STHs and members alike. That's all I'm saying.
To be fair the whole point of Fan Update is to clean it up and make it harder to sell the ticket on outside of the 6 Friends and family nominated, with the phone app they are rumoured to be planning it should be a lot better
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« Reply #15387 on: September 5, 2020, 10:00:27 PM »
To be fair the whole point of Fan Update is to clean it up and make it harder to sell the ticket on outside of the 6 Friends and family nominated, with the phone app they are rumoured to be planning it should be a lot better

You shouldn’t even be able to pass your ticket to 6 other people. If you can’t go, you simply return it back to the club for re-sale, not pass it to a friend or family member..

I find nothing more frustrating than when we got to those european cup finals and you’re allowed to put another persons name down should you be successful in the ballot. If you couldn’t travel then let someone who’s attended all other games get the chance.

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15388 on: September 6, 2020, 01:27:51 PM »
Couple of basic questions lads. No credits for any games this season, so does this mean mine will be carried over to the next season where they count?

Also, I assume the ACS will be based on the 19/20 season and before when it is reintroduced? I managed to get on the FA Cup ladder this season and have league Cup credits also.

Getting to Anfield from Ireland this season is a pipedream for me. Hope some of you get in.

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« Reply #15389 on: September 6, 2020, 01:28:22 PM »
I for one am looking forward to STH having to cram their legs in a severely restricted view seat  ;D
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« Reply #15390 on: September 6, 2020, 03:01:50 PM »
I for one am looking forward to STH having to cram their legs in a severely restricted view seat  ;D

Hahaha said similar on another thread - be funny them doing the tour around the worst seats in Anfield like us members have had to do over the years!

Tip of advice lads and lasses. If you're at the back of the Anfield Road lower stay at home you will see more.

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« Reply #15391 on: September 6, 2020, 03:05:23 PM »
I for one am looking forward to STH having to cram their legs in a severely restricted view seat  ;D

The ground will be 25% full, why would they use severely restricted view tickets?

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« Reply #15392 on: September 6, 2020, 05:04:27 PM »
The ground will be 25% full, why would they use severely restricted view tickets?

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Re: Members Sales
« Reply #15393 on: September 6, 2020, 08:26:20 PM »
Apologies if this has been covered but my seat in the Upper Kemlyn is £855 (£45 per game)
A member buying a seat last season in my seat would have paid £59.00

So will the club be charging me as a STH £45 per match and a member £59 in the ballot - Can't see it to be honest, we will all be charged £59

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« Reply #15394 on: September 6, 2020, 09:30:47 PM »
Anger that often stems from the fact so many STH get their tickets  passed on by friend or relative and not the waiting list.

Is true tbf. I passed mine on to a mate after I left Liverpool to work down south, with the full support of the ticket office who rang me up and asked me to put my it in writing to whom I was passing it on to.
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« Reply #15395 on: September 7, 2020, 02:54:01 PM »
I haven't been keeping up, is there any word on when remaining members have to complete fan update?

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« Reply #15396 on: September 7, 2020, 02:56:34 PM »
Not at the moment, I don't think they've finished the STH's update yet

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« Reply #15397 on: September 7, 2020, 04:46:03 PM »
Ah right, last I heard the deadline for STHs was 24th August

Just thinking if fans are back next month there's going to be members who are eligible for tickets but who haven't had their turn for fan update yet

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« Reply #15398 on: September 7, 2020, 06:29:14 PM »
I don't think any of that is going to matter for next season with the way the club will be selling tickets, track and trace means that who gets the ticket has to be the person attending.

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« Reply #15399 on: September 7, 2020, 08:20:52 PM »
Why? They never have been?

Let me guess. You have full credits from last season?

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