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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3840 on: December 12, 2018, 01:12:09 PM »
I think you need to take account of the angle of the challenge - if VVD had tackled like that 'head on' - ie in line with Merten's run, it could have been considered dangerous because there would be a good chance that he'd collide with the forward. As he tackles across the line of the run and timed it perfectly, the fact that his follow through caught him was unfortunate, but not dangerous. I didn't even think it was a foul, let alone a card.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3841 on: December 12, 2018, 01:19:04 PM »
It's a clean slate starting from the yellows taken in the round of 16. If VVD hadn't been booked last night then all his previous group stage yellows would've been wiped off.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3842 on: December 12, 2018, 01:25:24 PM »
He's been the calming presence in the defence since he joined and he'll be absolutely missed for the next game but I can't help but feel confident we'll be ok, especially with our new calm and confidence inducing player in goals.


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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3843 on: December 12, 2018, 01:33:59 PM »
Would love him as captain but its quite b'political' stripping players of captaincy when they are still part of the first team. Hyppia handled it exceptionally and i'm sure Henderson would as well

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3844 on: December 12, 2018, 02:02:39 PM »
Would love him as captain but its quite b'political' stripping players of captaincy when they are still part of the first team. Hyppia handled it exceptionally and i'm sure Henderson would as well

I know Klopp let them choose their 3rd captains, I'd be interested to see what would happen if the squad chose for their captain and vice. To be honest, the captain isn't as important as it's made out to be, they're just a figure head really. You want a team full of captains, not just one
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3845 on: December 12, 2018, 03:01:30 PM »
hoping someone can provide his stats last night - some of the most towering headers I've seen.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3846 on: December 12, 2018, 03:11:40 PM »
hoping someone can provide his stats last night - some of the most towering headers I've seen.

Yeah agreed.

I'm usually sat first few rows of KOP but last night i was sat much higher in KD stand.

I love my usual spec but you really don't see certain aspects of the game as well, but last night It brought home just how immense Virgil's heading ability is.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3847 on: December 12, 2018, 03:12:33 PM »
Players don't bother jumping against him to compete sometimes I feel, he's just that big and dominant a presence.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3848 on: December 12, 2018, 03:14:49 PM »
I think you need to take account of the angle of the challenge - if VVD had tackled like that 'head on' - ie in line with Merten's run, it could have been considered dangerous because there would be a good chance that he'd collide with the forward. As he tackles across the line of the run and timed it perfectly, the fact that his follow through caught him was unfortunate, but not dangerous. I didn't even think it was a foul, let alone a card.
that was my thoughts on the situation.

also I thought he caught him as part of his natural follow through, rather than similar tackles where the leg is left out to purposely harm the attacker. i.e. not reckless, just accidental and part of this contact sport of ours

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3849 on: December 12, 2018, 03:16:25 PM »
Players don't bother jumping against him to compete sometimes I feel, he's just that big and dominant a presence.

There's a fair bit of that against him. You can see people think 'fuck that' when they realize they're up against him. Allison's going to start to have this affect soon too. Mo has it. Suarez had it. Gerrard had it. You get a team with 4/5 of these players and the opposition are beaten before they kick a ball.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3850 on: December 12, 2018, 03:59:42 PM »
hoping someone can provide his stats last night - some of the most towering headers I've seen.

Not sure there is a towering header stat ;D.  Seriously though this guy is adding years to the lives of Liverpool fans. Not being crippled with anxiety from every corner and free kick is priceless.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3851 on: December 12, 2018, 05:20:00 PM »
that was my thoughts on the situation.

also I thought he caught him as part of his natural follow through, rather than similar tackles where the leg is left out to purposely harm the attacker. i.e. not reckless, just accidental and part of this contact sport of ours

Surely this was in fact a foul AGAINST VVD ??.  He won the ball cleanly, no contact anywhere near the player.  The player then made contact with VVDs foot as he came through and so therefore surely it was the attacker that was not in control of his movement and could quite easily have endangered VVDs safety.  Had the Napoli player made contact seconds later, it would have been VVDs shin and so would surely have been a foul on VVD.  It is purely the fact that it was the studs the Napoli player contacted that is even generating discussion.

In reality, this would never have been given for VVD but if you take it literally I believe my interpretation still stands.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3852 on: December 12, 2018, 05:30:24 PM »
I'm surprised that so many people (maybe not here, but elsewhere) think it's a red card. Personally, I think VVD got the ball with the outside of his foot and that's what matters. He doesn't go in with a straight leg against the opponent. There is no intent whatsoever to do so. Had he got the ball with his studs, then I could understand where people saw the error, but now I don't even think it's a freekick for Napoli.

Is anyone on here a qualified referee who could help explain it? It's not like it's gonna change the outcome of the game, just interested to hear how the situation should be interpreted.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3853 on: December 12, 2018, 06:06:33 PM »
Not sure if this is the place for it, but just seen this version of his song. Made me tear up a bit, brilliant singer!

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3854 on: December 12, 2018, 06:10:02 PM »
That was never a foul. The ref was thrash
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3855 on: December 12, 2018, 06:21:32 PM »
That was never a foul. The ref was thrash
So if a Burnley yard dog followed through on Salah with studs up above his ankle you'd be happy with play being waved on?

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3856 on: December 12, 2018, 06:36:39 PM »
The context again is vital because none of the Burnley challenges were to prevent a 1v1 with the keeper with the team's main attacking weapon near the halfway line. Secondly, Van Dijk's tackle was not a desperate lunge in an attempt to win the ball with no concern for the opponent. It was a careful sliding interception in which the opposition striker was unlucky to get caught. The Mee tackle was by the touchline and he was nearly at the ball. He didn't need to slide to get the ball, but he did it anyway. Van Dijk had to slide to get the ball or the striker was through on goal. Massive difference in what happened, which must be taken into account when interpreting Klopp's comments on Burnley. He wasn't saying that Burnley shouldn't be aggressive but that they were being needlessly aggressive when a simple interception would have sufficed.
I honestly think we probably have to ask Klopp what he means exactly, then.

I just like to err on the side of what I wouldn't like to happen to one of our players, as I sure as hell would think if Smalling pulls such a tackle on Salah this weekend, I'd at least expect a yellow.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3857 on: December 12, 2018, 11:25:55 PM »
I honestly think we probably have to ask Klopp what he means exactly, then.

I just like to err on the side of what I wouldn't like to happen to one of our players, as I sure as hell would think if Smalling pulls such a tackle on Salah this weekend, I'd at least expect a yellow.

To be completely fair, I would be looking for every manner in which to justify why Smalling should receive a red in a similar situation, but equally objectively, I think that isn't a foul if Smalling put in the exact same kind of tackle that Van Dijk did (controlled and well-timed).
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3859 on: December 13, 2018, 07:48:06 AM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/liverpool-napoli-champions-league-virgil-van-dijk-kalidou-koulibaly-a8678821.html

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3860 on: December 13, 2018, 08:25:06 AM »
Knowing our situation with CBs, just watch Utd and Elbows try and injure him on Sunday
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3861 on: December 16, 2018, 10:38:34 AM »
Van Dijk will score today ...
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3862 on: December 16, 2018, 12:31:36 PM »
Van Dijk will score today ...

Ideally into the United net(s)

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3863 on: December 16, 2018, 01:12:18 PM »
His freckles are soooo cute.......


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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3864 on: December 16, 2018, 01:19:07 PM »
Is it time to release VVD from his cotton wool chamber?

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3865 on: December 16, 2018, 06:02:25 PM »
He's so good, Lukaku got 0 change out of him, whether it was in the air or up close physically
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3866 on: December 16, 2018, 06:06:10 PM »
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3867 on: December 16, 2018, 06:06:15 PM »
He's so good, Lukaku got 0 change out of him, whether it was in the air or up close physically

Lukaku had zero shots today. None even attempted. That's how deep in the defenders' pockets he was. Beautiful.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3868 on: December 16, 2018, 06:24:57 PM »
Lukaku stopped trying in 1v1s against Virgil after a point. This was probably the biggest physical test in the league and completely bossed him.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3869 on: December 16, 2018, 08:07:30 PM »
Colossus.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3870 on: December 17, 2018, 01:44:14 AM »
Lukaku stopped trying in 1v1s against Virgil after a point. This was probably the biggest physical test in the league and completely bossed him.

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« Reply #3871 on: December 17, 2018, 01:48:28 AM »
But Lukaku is slow now that he's so big. I think there will be tougher tests. I can't name them, but I'm sure...
Yeah. Luk is no more top class striker.

Try Lewandoski, Suarez, Bale, Aguero, Aubemayang, Kane(?)
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3872 on: December 17, 2018, 01:50:59 AM »
Yeah. Luk is no more top class striker.

Try Lewandoski, Suarez, Bale, Aguero, Aubemayang, Kane(?)

Yes but the poster above said 'in the league' and 'physical test'. Aguero isn't a physical test, per se, while we already played Tottenham once and Kane wasn't good, and the rest of those players are not in this league.

Maybe the next games against Kane and Aubameyang will be the biggest tests in the PL.

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« Reply #3873 on: December 17, 2018, 01:52:58 AM »
Yeah. Luk is no more top class striker.

Try Lewandoski, Suarez, Bale, Aguero, Aubemayang, Kane(?)

Don't think any of those are physical tests though. Lukaku was last season but as rightly pointed out he's just a fat lump now. I'd say Giroud is a good physical test. Deeney maybe but he's just Lukaku-lite and came out of the game against us last season with a massive crush on VVD.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3874 on: December 17, 2018, 01:59:05 AM »
Yeah. Luk is no more top class striker.

Try Lewandoski, Suarez, Bale, Aguero, Aubemayang, Kane(?)

He chews them up and shits them out for breakfast bro, please?
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« Reply #3875 on: December 17, 2018, 02:01:51 AM »
He chews them up and shits them out for breakfast bro, please?

Yeah there really isn't a physical challenge Van Dijk wouldn't be up for. I'd pay money to watch Akinfenwa bounce off him.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3876 on: December 17, 2018, 04:59:33 AM »
He chews them up and shits them out for breakfast bro, please?
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3877 on: December 17, 2018, 07:50:02 AM »
Lukaku stopped trying in 1v1s against Virgil after a point. This was probably the biggest physical test in the league and completely bossed him.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3878 on: December 17, 2018, 09:57:38 AM »
From Shaq@AnfieldAn on Twitter:

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk signs for Liverpool
« Reply #3879 on: December 17, 2018, 10:02:16 AM »
He was solid as usual, but that must have been one of his easiest games this season. A nice rest ahead of the busy Christmas schedule.