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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3760 on: August 21, 2020, 10:34:40 PM »
I honestly hope youíre just trolling with some of your comments, but I donít think you are ;D

ĎHe might have played 30 league games last season and I donít know the stats....but I still think heís injury prone and good for about half a seasoní. Itís not quite as straight to the point as your ĎTAA is shit at free kicksí line but itís in the same sort of category.

Itís really not, but as youíre infatuated with my opinions I can see why youíd bend it. If a player played eg 1 minute every game all season, whilst he played 38 games itís not the same as a player who played 38x90 minutes. The fact is Ox canít get in our first x1 and canít reliably stay fit for playing 90 minutes all season or 90 minutes consistently at all or in fact consistently over a season for say a half. Heís injury prone. Itís unfortunate but anyone other than the most biased red will recognize that.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3761 on: August 21, 2020, 10:34:48 PM »
The shouts on here have changed from Ox is injury prone and canít be relied upon to be fit to the number of minutes he plays each game. It almost seems like now itís proven that he pretty much been fit outside of the big injury for us that some need to find another way to have a go.
Keita rarely finishes games either, some players just donít have the 90 in them at the intensity we play but we get the best out of them for the minutes they do play. Itís also arguable that since the injury his minutes have been managed to do this.

If you want argue he needs to make more impact when he plays then I donít think even Ox would disagree with that at times, but the rest is bollocks.

The way to show that you are not injury prone and durable is to play the full game week in week out. You only have three subs so if you include injuries 80% of your outfield players need to play the 90 minutes. Ox and Keita are nowhere that level.

That is why they are miles behind the likes of Gini, Hendo and Fabinho.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3762 on: August 21, 2020, 10:38:16 PM »
The way to show that you are not injury prone and durable is to play the full game week in week out. You only have three subs so if you include injuries 80% of your outfield players need to play the 90 minutes. Ox and Keita are nowhere that level.

That is why they are miles behind the likes of Gini, Hendo and Fabinho.

Thatís very true. Now I love Naby. Really rate him and much higher than Ox. But Iíd be mad not to recognize Naby is also regrettably injury prone. Not got the stats on that either but he just is.
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« Reply #3763 on: August 21, 2020, 10:39:45 PM »
Itís really not, but as youíre infatuated with my opinions I can see why youíd bend it. If a player played eg 1 minute every game all season, whilst he played 38 games itís not the same as a player who played 38x90 minutes. The fact is Ox canít get in our first x1 and canít reliably stay fit for playing 90 minutes all season or 90 minutes consistently at all or in fact consistently over a season for say a half. Heís injury prone. Itís unfortunate but anyone other than the most biased red will recognize that.

IF HE CAN'T GET INTO OUR XI  whilst healthy, that means that the isn't good enough. Not that he isn't fit enough. He's been reliable available for two of the 3 seasons. That's more than half, more than you have claimed. Which again, you're moving the goalposts.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3764 on: August 21, 2020, 10:40:08 PM »
The way to show that you are not injury prone and durable is to play the full game week in week out. You only have three subs so if you include injuries 80% of your outfield players need to play the 90 minutes. Ox and Keita are nowhere that level.

That is why they are miles behind the likes of Gini, Hendo and Fabinho.

Origi wasn't injured a lot, why didn't he play 90 minutes week in, week out?
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« Reply #3765 on: August 21, 2020, 10:44:05 PM »
Itís really not, but as youíre infatuated with my opinions I can see why youíd bend it. If a player played eg 1 minute every game all season, whilst he played 38 games itís not the same as a player who played 38x90 minutes. The fact is Ox canít get in our first x1 and canít reliably stay fit for playing 90 minutes all season or 90 minutes consistently at all or in fact consistently over a season for say a half. Heís injury prone. Itís unfortunate but anyone other than the most biased red will recognize that.

Why would anyone be infatuated with your opinions? ;D Unless they were comedy writers, in which case your could do them for plagiarism.

Ox reliably stayed fit last season, all season. He wasnít struggling to get in the team because he was injured, or recovering from injury. It was because we have a clear first choice midfield which he isnít a part of. As with his first season here. He doesnít need to play 38 x 90 minutes because heís a squad player. He also plays in a position thatís generally where people get subbed off, you surely canít be so naive to just ignore that? He plays furthest forward in a midfield three. If weíre chasing a game and bringing on an attacking player, heís most likely to get taken off. If weíre winning a game and want more control, heís most likely to be taken off.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3766 on: August 21, 2020, 10:47:48 PM »
IF HE CAN'T GET INTO OUR XI  whilst healthy, that means that the isn't good enough. Not that he isn't fit enough. He's been reliable available for two of the 3 seasons. That's more than half, more than you have claimed. Which again, you're moving the goalposts.

But please continue.



But itís not two points is it. A playerís fitness is very much influential on whether he starts . Ox doesnít start that much. He gets either taken off or brought on. In either case he canít cope with 90 minutes and has more injuries than most. My simply point is heís injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when heís take off
to prevent his injuries or when heís limited to the last 30-10 minutes to avoid injuries is hardly going to change my opinion is it. Heís not a 90 minute player. Heís injury prone. I really donít think itís that controversial. All my mates if other clubs agree and so do Arsenal fans. I suspect Ox does too






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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3767 on: August 21, 2020, 10:50:34 PM »
Unlucky for him. Get well soon OX.
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« Reply #3768 on: August 21, 2020, 10:54:47 PM »
Origi wasn't injured a lot, why didn't he play 90 minutes week in, week out?

Firstly Origi didn't come here as a player with a patchy injury record then unfortunately get a career threatening injury.

Secondly Origi isn't the 7th most expensive player we have ever bought.

Thirdly players tend to get injured playing Football. Ox tends to get injured without actually playing that many games.

I really like Ox and I really like Keita. I prefer our balance when either one of them plays but be serious here they both have durability issues.
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« Reply #3769 on: August 21, 2020, 10:56:54 PM »
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But itís not two points is it. A playerís fitness is very much influential on whether he starts . Ox doesnít start that much. He gets either taken off or brought on. In either case he canít cope with 90 minutes and has more injuries than most

Again for the umpteenth time, there is no statistical analysis that shows why a player was taken off. Whether it's because he couldn't physically last for 90 minutes or because of the nature of the match and therefore influenced by a tactical reason.  It is quite clear that regaining fitness after said injury takes time, but saying that anytime he's taken off it's because of lack of fitness is pure conjuncture on your part.

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My simply point is heís injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when heís take off

Except that isn't the case. He's again played over 40 games in 2 out of the 3 seasons. And since said statement you've been moving goal posts, as you clearly said that we must accept that he will only be available for half a season. He was available for all of his first season bar the last two months, and all of this past season.

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the vast majority of which are either starts when heís take off
to prevent his injuries or when heís limited to the last 30-10 minutes to avoid injuries is hardly going to change my opinion is it.

Again conjuncture as to why he gets taken off. unless you're Jurgen Klopp himself.

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Heís not a 90 minute player

Except when he does play 90 minutes.

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All my mates if other clubs agree and so do Arsenal fans.

Well it must be true if all your mates say it? I mean I have plenty of mates who don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to football, so just because they may be saying something doesn't make it true.

Arsenal fans would be correct, as he was injury prone at ARSENAL as I already pointed out on numerous occasions in this thread.

WHAT I have specifically discussed is your point about him not being available for more than half the time HERE. I am not arsed about Arsenal.

I am talking about here. Specifically. he's been available more than half the time for 2 out of the 3 seasons, which would be the majority.





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« Reply #3770 on: August 21, 2020, 11:01:09 PM »
But itís not two points is it. A playerís fitness is very much influential on whether he starts . Ox doesnít start that much. He gets either taken off or brought on. In either case he canít cope with 90 minutes and has more injuries than most. My simply point is heís injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when heís take off to prevent his injuries or when heís limited to the last 30-10 minutes to avoid injuries is hardly going to change my opinion is it. Heís not a 90 minute player. Heís injury prone. I really donít think itís that controversial. All my mates if other clubs agree and so do Arsenal fans. I suspect Ox does too

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Translated My simple point is heís injury prone and being told he maybe played 30 times in a season, the vast majority of which are either starts when heís taken off to prevent injury or when heís limited to the last 30 minutes to prevent injury is hardly going to change my opinion is it?

No Reeves, itís not going to change your opinion. But thatís because youíve already decided something is factual when you have literally no idea if it is or not, and actually a huge likelihood that itís not. Youíve already got a pre conceived idea that every decision is made because heís injury prone, thatís your issue in general. Itís like when youíve slaughtered Minamino, it wonít matter if he plays well because youíve already decided heís crap. Or when you say Trent shouldnít take free kicks because heís shit at them. You dream up these Ďfactsí and then double down on them. The likely facts are actually that Ox was subbed off because of game management.

He wasnít our most subbed player by the way ;)
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3771 on: August 21, 2020, 11:05:17 PM »
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« Reply #3772 on: August 21, 2020, 11:14:33 PM »
No Reeves, itís not going to change your opinion. But thatís because youíve already decided something is factual when you have literally no idea if it is or not, and actually a huge likelihood that itís not. Youíve already got a pre conceived idea that every decision is made because heís injury prone, thatís your issue in general. Itís like when youíve slaughtered Minamino, it wonít matter if he plays well because youíve already decided heís crap. Or when you say Trent shouldnít take free kicks because heís shit at them. You dream up these Ďfactsí and then double down on them. The likely facts are actually that Ox was subbed off because of game management.

He wasnít our most subbed player by the way ;)

No need to make it personal please. I can cope with your infatuation of copying one of my opinions on every one of your posts  but to tie multiple opinions together to criticize me personally is a bit too far. Aside from that I have never slaughtered Mini. He seems ok. Some nice moments and some mediocre. He will improve however  I donít think he fits in ours system at all though.
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« Reply #3773 on: August 21, 2020, 11:18:32 PM »
Our most subbed off player last season was Bobby by the way Reeves.

Do you think every time he was subbed off was because we were worried about injury?
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« Reply #3774 on: August 21, 2020, 11:23:11 PM »
Our most subbed off player last season was Bobby by the way Reeves.

Do you think every time he was subbed off was because we were worried about injury?

No I donít.
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« Reply #3775 on: August 21, 2020, 11:27:22 PM »
Our most subbed off player last season was Bobby by the way Reeves.

Do you think every time he was subbed off was because we were worried about injury?

Bobby played 3001 minutes. Ox played 1492.
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« Reply #3776 on: August 21, 2020, 11:32:52 PM »
The way to show that you are not injury prone and durable is to play the full game week in week out. You only have three subs so if you include injuries 80% of your outfield players need to play the 90 minutes. Ox and Keita are nowhere that level.

That is why they are miles behind the likes of Gini, Hendo and Fabinho.
I disagree, he has shown heís not injury prone by being available most of the time. He hasnít played 90 minutes because either they are managing his minutes after a major injury or because he hasnít performed as well as hoped for or because they decided to make a tactical change.

Does he need to improve when he plays, yes. But this injury prone thing is rubbish.
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« Reply #3777 on: August 21, 2020, 11:41:40 PM »
Bobby played 3001 minutes. Ox played 1492.

Thanks...?
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« Reply #3778 on: August 21, 2020, 11:52:11 PM »
I disagree, he has shown heís not injury prone by being available most of the time. He hasnít played 90 minutes because either they are managing his minutes after a major injury or because he hasnít performed as well as hoped for or because they decided to make a tactical change.

Does he need to improve when he plays, yes. But this injury prone thing is rubbish.

He was clearly injury prone at Arsenal. 

To prove that he is not injury prone at Liverpool then he has to play a consistent number of minutes. If he doesn't do that then quite clearly doubts remain about his fitness.
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« Reply #3779 on: August 22, 2020, 12:38:16 AM »
He was clearly injury prone at Arsenal. 

To prove that he is not injury prone at Liverpool then he has to play a consistent number of minutes. If he doesn't do that then quite clearly doubts remain about his fitness.
He was more injury prone at Arsenal. He has not been injury prone for us. To play more minutes for us heís going to have more impact more often which is going to be difficult given the players heís up against are all excellent.
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« Reply #3780 on: August 22, 2020, 12:50:11 AM »
Missing 30%+ of playing time since joining is injury prone.

Itís a real unfortunate one because he looked immense before the big injury against Roma. Hope there can be a long term solution to the injury issues.

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« Reply #3781 on: August 22, 2020, 12:55:03 AM »
Iím on the side of injury prone, but also unlucky, on this senseless debate.

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« Reply #3782 on: August 22, 2020, 01:09:00 AM »
He was more injury prone at Arsenal. He has not been injury prone for us. To play more minutes for us heís going to have more impact more often which is going to be difficult given the players heís up against are all excellent.

I am a fan of Ox but pretending he hasn't had huge injury problems at Liverpool is frankly ludicrous.

It is hard to find a Liverpool fan who doesn't love Ox when he is in form and breaking the lines and smashing shots in like he did against City.
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« Reply #3783 on: August 22, 2020, 01:22:01 AM »
Oh for fucks sakes. You are capable of reading the English language. Nobody is pretending that he hasn't had a huge injury problem here, but thats because of one unfortunate injury, not multiple injuries throughout each season that he's been here ala Arsenal.


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« Reply #3784 on: August 22, 2020, 01:39:01 AM »
I am a fan of Ox but pretending he hasn't had huge injury problems at Liverpool is frankly ludicrous.

It is hard to find a Liverpool fan who doesn't love Ox when he is in form and breaking the lines and smashing shots in like he did against City.
Itís not ludicrous itís a fact. He had a big injury, aside from that heís been available to play most of the time.

But I guess weíre all probably getting tired of the argument now and there are clearly some differing points of view on what constitutes injury prone.
This all stemmed from him being written off for this season by one or two and has perhaps escalated into something else.

Fingers crossed he gets fit soon and is able to show his best
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« Reply #3785 on: August 22, 2020, 01:43:30 AM »
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« Reply #3786 on: August 22, 2020, 01:57:58 AM »
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« Reply #3787 on: August 22, 2020, 02:11:54 AM »
Like that but times 100

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« Reply #3789 on: August 22, 2020, 06:56:55 PM »
I have a picture in my head of what I expect the Ox to be like, and its weird because I don't have that picture about anybody else in this team.

Let me try and explain. When I watch Ox I see a guy with the movement acceleration and shooting technique to be a goalscoring menace from midfield and whilst he doesn't do too badly in that regard I feel it could be so much more.

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« Reply #3790 on: August 23, 2020, 01:17:26 PM »
Really good footballer when he is on it.

Thought he struggled after lockdown to find rhythm and form but made a positive impact over the season.

Realistically, he will be out until October but hopefully come back ok.
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« Reply #3791 on: October 23, 2020, 01:02:15 PM »
Has there been any indication of what his injury is and when he's likely to be back?
Pretty much 2 months since the news of it broke.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3792 on: October 23, 2020, 01:07:36 PM »
Has there been any indication of what his injury is and when he's likely to be back?
Pretty much 2 months since the news of it broke.

Think its a knee injury

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3793 on: October 23, 2020, 02:54:36 PM »
Could do with him back given injury problems. Think he'll thrive with Thiago behind him too. No one better in the world at finding players between the lines, and it's when Ox is given it between the lines that he can do real damage with his ball carrying and shooting skills.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3794 on: October 23, 2020, 03:20:02 PM »
Honestly, I almost never think about him these days, nor consider his possible impact in evaluating where we'll end up in any competition.
He just kind of slipped into a peripheral role due to injuries.
Would be good to have him around for rotation, but that's about it.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3795 on: October 23, 2020, 04:53:46 PM »
I love Chambo (refuse to call him Ox), nothing is better than watching him pick up from a turnover, charge through midfield with the ball and shoot. But I kind of feel that ever since teams have just started packing their defensive third against us and letting us have the ball, it's given him no space to run into, just brick walls.

on a side note, is he still going out with the girl from Small Pox?

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3796 on: October 23, 2020, 05:06:20 PM »
I love Chambo (refuse to call him Ox)

So you refuse to call him one ridiculous nickname but you're more than happy to call him another ridiculous nickname? ;)

Bangkok Ladyboys went down a treat ... so probably do them again  ;D ;D


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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3797 on: October 23, 2020, 05:15:06 PM »
So you refuse to call him one ridiculous nickname but you're more than happy to call him another ridiculous nickname? ;)

Yeah pretty much lol  ;D

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3798 on: October 23, 2020, 05:24:07 PM »
he was outstanding against Atletico.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3799 on: October 23, 2020, 05:29:37 PM »
he was outstanding against Atletico.

Yes you're right, he was MOTM there 100% even though it goes against my argument