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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3680 on: July 17, 2020, 01:12:33 PM »
Story of his career at Arsenal, every time he looked like our best player, he gets wrecked with a horrible injury and takes a year to get back. I remember the first game of one season, running the show, knee ligaments went against villa, didnt come back till the new year and took months to peak again. The time he'd go to Bayern in cl and look incredible driving through their midfield, another injury ends season. One world cup when he looked like Englands best player in all the friendlies leading up to it, another injury, misses world cup and start of next season.
It seems like when hes at his physical peak, he feels indestructible and overdoes things, and hurts himself badly, then takes a long time to get his sharpness back. Someone you want to see succeed as he comes across as a really nice lad but might end up being remembered as unfulfilled potential.

Thanks for that perspective. Perhaps given the succession of injuries Ox, a bit like Ings needs a 2nd full season to get fully get back up to peak form. The counter argument to that comparison however is that Ings had the opportunity to play himself into form at Southampton whereas Ox won't be afforded that same luxury at Liverpool

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« Reply #3681 on: July 17, 2020, 03:51:22 PM »
Thanks for that perspective. Perhaps given the succession of injuries Ox, a bit like Ings needs a 2nd full season to get fully get back up to peak form. The counter argument to that comparison however is that Ings had the opportunity to play himself into form at Southampton whereas Ox won't be afforded that same luxury at Liverpool

He is given a lot more opportunities than say, Shaq. He has started our last 2-3 games did he not? But each time he just look a bit muddled.

I don't think we can blame him for lack of fitness but it was his decision making which is kind of suspect.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3682 on: July 17, 2020, 05:51:29 PM »
He is given a lot more opportunities than say, Shaq. He has started our last 2-3 games did he not? But each time he just look a bit muddled.

I don't think we can blame him for lack of fitness but it was his decision making which is kind of suspect.
That's my view too.  Doesn't make particularly intelligent decisions on the pitch and gives the ball away in promising situations.

Hopefully, if he can start to gather some confidence in his body not breaking down, he can focus 100% on his game and we'll see his potential realised.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3683 on: July 17, 2020, 06:53:01 PM »
You wonder what the likes of Curtis or even Shaq think about Ox being given plenty of minutes but not really delivering? Ox is a decent enough player but I don't think he's doing enough to merit his pace at the moment.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3684 on: July 17, 2020, 07:21:01 PM »
You wonder what the likes of Curtis or even Shaq think about Ox being given plenty of minutes but not really delivering? Ox is a decent enough player but I don't think he's doing enough to merit his pace at the moment.

Are you joking? Ox has started 3 out of the 7 games since the restart and now Curtis Jones should be pissed off he's not getting his minutes?

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« Reply #3685 on: July 17, 2020, 07:28:22 PM »
These last few matches have provided an opportunity for these players to get valuable game time to showcase why they should be in the side. Naby has shown that but Ox not so much.

There's some truth to that, but no need to overstate it either. He's started three games recently - one very poor game against Villa, one game starting as part of the front three where it's always been a case of fulfilling a tactical need for the team even if doesn't suit him personally to play there, and then the Arsenal game in which he played pretty well IMO. Not much there to suggest he's particularly out of form.
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« Reply #3686 on: July 17, 2020, 07:46:06 PM »
You wonder what the likes of Curtis or even Shaq think about Ox being given plenty of minutes but not really delivering? Ox is a decent enough player but I don't think he's doing enough to merit his pace at the moment.

Shaqiri can't really think anything given that he's had injury problems literally all season bar a few games, and he's just been back from yet another injury. Shaqiri can't play in midfield either so that's another thing.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3687 on: July 17, 2020, 08:05:32 PM »
Doesn't make particularly intelligent decisions on the pitch and gives the ball away in promising situations.

Being willing to try and fail rather than play it safe is part and parcel of why we have become so good, and perfectly in line with Klopp's view on football.

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« Reply #3688 on: July 17, 2020, 08:33:59 PM »
That's my view too.  Doesn't make particularly intelligent decisions on the pitch and gives the ball away in promising situations.

Hopefully, if he can start to gather some confidence in his body not breaking down, he can focus 100% on his game and we'll see his potential realised.

Yeah agree with the intelligence of Ox's decision making. With his technical ability, pace and power he should be so much more effective in a front three even if its not his preferred position. He will always be a useful squad player but with his natural technical and physical gifts he could be much more. A bit of concern as I am not sure how much footballing intelligence develops much past a certain point.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3689 on: July 17, 2020, 10:34:00 PM »
Can't be slagging the Ox off. All the players have been shit since the re-start.

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« Reply #3690 on: July 17, 2020, 11:11:40 PM »
His ability to burst through the midfield after he or a teammate win the ball to start attacks is great for the squad.  As is his shooting ability.  He also seemed good at winning back possession to start our attacks.  He linked up really well with Salah when he started getting into the side his first year.  A lot of Salah's goals in his first season had Ox as provider once he was integrated into the side and before his injury.

It's probably a combination of play being a little different now (with the fullbacks more involved in creating chances), his injury lay-off, and the fact that he hasn't gotten a consistent run of games this year?

Like with our other CMs, he's got some versatility and offers something different.

He never seems to play well as part of the 3 upfront though.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3691 on: July 17, 2020, 11:32:04 PM »
Are you joking? Ox has started 3 out of the 7 games since the restart and now Curtis Jones should be pissed off he's not getting his minutes?

Who said anything about being "pissed off"? It's just that Ox has been poor since the restart and offered very little. I was just postulating that some players might be wondering if they might get minutes at hs expense. Playing professional football is a job and if an employee is performing below par colleagues would expect the opportunity to step up.

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« Reply #3692 on: July 18, 2020, 03:13:25 AM »
Who said anything about being "pissed off"? It's just that Ox has been poor since the restart and offered very little. I was just postulating that some players might be wondering if they might get minutes at hs expense. Playing professional football is a job and if an employee is performing below par colleagues would expect the opportunity to step up.

The games are meaningless (I have not watched any)

Stop worrying about it.

Ox is a great player  i wouldn't worry too much  about performances in dead rubber games.   He has many years ahead of him

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3693 on: July 18, 2020, 05:11:31 AM »
Being willing to try and fail rather than play it safe is part and parcel of why we have become so good, and perfectly in line with Klopp's view on football.
Running down blind alleys in a braindead manner isn't "trying and failing" but feel free to twist the narrative.
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« Reply #3694 on: July 18, 2020, 09:19:36 AM »
Can't be slagging the Ox off. All the players have been shit since the re-start.
Collectively everyone has a dropped in form. Although not playing well, everyone else seems to know their role.

However, Ox looks to be on a different wavelength to the rest of the team. The understanding with his team mates just wasn’t there.

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« Reply #3695 on: July 23, 2020, 01:28:30 AM »
Pleased for Ox tonight. Nice finish when he came on and hopefully he can get back to his best again next season.
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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3696 on: July 23, 2020, 06:56:43 AM »
Watching the players charge out of their own penalty area just before the last minute of the game, run the full length of the field, and score a goal was incredibly exciting for me. Seeing AOC on the end of the cross, taking the goal so skillfully, was all the more satisfying. I'd love to see him have an injury-free season coming up, and help us retain the championship.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3697 on: August 21, 2020, 03:05:15 PM »
Picked up an injury...

Jürgen Klopp told Liverpoolfc.com: “Really unfortunate. An unfortunate situation as well; it was a challenge [in training].

“It looks like it is very similar to what Hendo had, which keeps him out for we don’t know for sure exactly how long, but for sure this pre-season he will not make a game, Arsenal for sure not and then we will see. The next game is probably two weeks later, but I don’t know.

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Re: Welcome to Liverpool Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
« Reply #3698 on: August 21, 2020, 03:17:56 PM »
Picked up an injury...


Fucking hell.  Can't catch a break this lad.

Was already struggling for form and now he is missing a big chunk of pre-season.

I fear it is going to be another frustrating year for him and us.

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« Reply #3699 on: August 21, 2020, 03:17:59 PM »
That's quite unfortunate. Fingers crossed it really is only as bad as Hendo's and there's no setbacks in his recovery.
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« Reply #3700 on: August 21, 2020, 03:18:30 PM »
Frustrating for Ox.

Hope it’s a minor one and it’s only 4-6 weeks.
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« Reply #3701 on: August 21, 2020, 03:20:48 PM »
Fucking hell.  Can't catch a break this lad.

Was already struggling for form and now he is missing a big chunk of pre-season.

I fear it is going to be another frustrating year for him and us.

Uh?

Played 30 games in the league for us last season. People thought it’d be far worse when coming back from his ACL.
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« Reply #3702 on: August 21, 2020, 03:22:13 PM »
Tough timing for Ox.

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« Reply #3703 on: August 21, 2020, 03:26:45 PM »
Unlucky Ox. Back after the international break possibly?
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« Reply #3704 on: August 21, 2020, 04:00:59 PM »
Uh?

Played 30 games in the league for us last season. People thought it’d be far worse when coming back from his ACL.

But was he anywhere near his best?  I'm not sure he was.

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« Reply #3705 on: August 21, 2020, 04:04:08 PM »
But was he anywhere near his best?  I'm not sure he was.

Apart from the Atletico game at home (there may be 1 or 2 other performances) he has always looked a bit tired and sluggish like he is over doing it. Never looks 100% fresh if that makes sense

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« Reply #3706 on: August 21, 2020, 04:48:51 PM »
But was he anywhere near his best?  I'm not sure he was.

He's lucky to be walking let alone playing professional football after his injury. It takes time.

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« Reply #3707 on: August 21, 2020, 04:52:15 PM »
He's lucky to be walking let alone playing professional football after his injury. It takes time.
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Seriously though it’s a shame for him as he was fit most of last season, I can’t actually recall him missing any time really.
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« Reply #3708 on: August 21, 2020, 05:01:11 PM »
Similar to Henderson sounds worrying.
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« Reply #3709 on: August 21, 2020, 05:11:02 PM »
He's lucky to be walking let alone playing professional football after his injury. It takes time.

And now he is injured again so it is going to take even more time for him to get back to his best.

So, as I say, looks as if it may be another frustrating season where whether he is available or not he may not be anywhere near his best for large chunks of the season.

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« Reply #3710 on: August 21, 2020, 05:20:23 PM »
And now he is injured again so it is going to take even more time for him to get back to his best.

So, as I say, looks as if it may be another frustrating season where whether he is available or not he may not be anywhere near his best for large chunks of the season.
Bit early to say it looks like a frustrating season or that he won’t be at his best for large chunks of it, given the season hasn’t even started yet. Annoying and a shame he’s injured and it won’t help missing part of pre-season. But last season only finished a few weeks ago so he probably won’t take as long to get up to speed once fit again. Shall we just wait and see what happens when he’s able to play?
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« Reply #3711 on: August 21, 2020, 05:32:30 PM »
And now he is injured again so it is going to take even more time for him to get back to his best.

So, as I say, looks as if it may be another frustrating season where whether he is available or not he may not be anywhere near his best for large chunks of the season.

Last season was anything but frustrating if you actually take into consideration the seriousness of his injury. Ergo why I said what I said. Last season was a success for him, given the context around his injury. He is a very lucky young man to be still playing football. Of course it wasn't at his best, but it was a step in the right direction and he made still a valuable contribution with 8 or 9 goals [even more impressive given he wasn't first choice always].

Secondly, given that this injury isn't going to keep him out for months, I don't know how you can say that it's going to be another frustrating season. Time will tell.

In any case, last season was anything but frustrating.

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« Reply #3712 on: August 21, 2020, 05:33:11 PM »
This feels like Daniel Sturridge  all over he's going to keep picking up injuries and never going to be fit for a good time.

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« Reply #3713 on: August 21, 2020, 05:38:41 PM »
Last season was anything but frustrating if you actually take into consideration the seriousness of his injury. Ergo why I said what I said. Last season was a success for him, given the context around his injury. He is a very lucky young man to be still playing football. Of course it wasn't at his best, but it was a step in the right direction and he made still a valuable contribution with 8 or 9 goals [even more impressive given he wasn't first choice always].

Secondly, given that this injury isn't going to keep him out for months, I don't know how you can say that it's going to be another frustrating season. Time will tell.

In any case, last season was anything but frustrating.

I think he missed 4 games through injury last season, available for a huge majority.

It’s a shame but not the end of the world. Hyperbole though eh? If we’re not careful we’ll end up with some intelligent little rascal comparing him to Sturridge ;D
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« Reply #3714 on: August 21, 2020, 05:44:28 PM »
I think he missed 4 games through injury last season, available for a huge majority.

It’s a shame but not the end of the world. Hyperbole though eh? If we’re not careful we’ll end up with some intelligent little rascal comparing him to Sturridge ;D

This feels like Daniel Sturridge  all over he's going to keep picking up injuries and never going to be fit for a good time.

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« Reply #3715 on: August 21, 2020, 06:04:50 PM »
He's lucky to be walking let alone playing professional football after his injury. It takes time.


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« Reply #3716 on: August 21, 2020, 06:24:54 PM »
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« Reply #3717 on: August 21, 2020, 06:37:20 PM »
Da fuck?  :o :o :o

I didn't mean it literally obviously. Given that you were the ones posting in depth about the seriousness of his injury, I figured you would know what I meant, given that he's playing at the highest level after doing his knee the way he did.

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« Reply #3718 on: August 21, 2020, 06:39:22 PM »
I didn't mean it literally obviously. Given that you were the ones posting in depth about the seriousness of his injury, I figured you would know what I meant, given that he's playing at the highest level after doing his knee the way he did.

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« Reply #3719 on: August 21, 2020, 06:42:44 PM »
Regrettably an injury prone player. We knew it when we signed him and it’s not changed. Makes the likes of Wijnaldum’s impeccable record even more impressive. People can point to games eg 30 last year but I’d be surprised if that was starts. And 3-4 game still of those he’d have been getting back to sharpness. He's the sort of player you can count on for about half a season on average (I’ve not looked at the stats but that’s my gut feel) and will therefore never be a first X1 starter. No problem with that - we need a squad. But we must accept it for what it is, and I think the record will unlikely improve with age.
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