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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #880 on: March 16, 2021, 01:38:44 pm »
Fair to say things haven't gone as we all hoped with Ben's career so far,think sadly he'll be released if we can't sort out another loan for him.

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #881 on: March 16, 2021, 01:57:29 pm »
Just done some brief research.

Now 21 years old and only played 48 first team professional games across 5 seasons.

Odd career so far and possibly shows the perils of coming through at an elite club. Had he, for example, come through at a lower league side you feel he'd have played a lot more first team football and be a more accomplished player.
The club is more invested with the player if they own the player. If the loan isn't working ut early on they have no incentive to let the player play himself into form. The leg break didn't help either when he was just starting to play well at Oxford.

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #882 on: March 16, 2021, 02:02:43 pm »
A reminder that despite the massive rewards for a select few, the life a footballer really isn't easy. Such a shame for him.

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #883 on: March 16, 2021, 02:09:22 pm »

Odd career so far and possibly shows the perils of coming through at an elite club. Had he, for example, come through at a lower league side you feel he'd have played a lot more first team football and be a more accomplished player.

Personally I think it's more a case of showing how players just develop at different stages. Ben is not the only example of someone that looks to have the potential to be a world beater at 17/18 only for time to show they have already peaked. Michael Owen did have a pretty long and succesful carreer but I always thought he was at his very best as an 18 year old. Conversely you have someone like Vardy that was playing amateur football upto 25 and was an England international a few years later

I'm not having a dig at Ben by the way, would love him to prove me wrong and go onto have a successful career somewhere 

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #884 on: March 16, 2021, 02:16:14 pm »
Ben's progression has really influenced my opinion of young players now.  He was never the quickest or biggest and despite his good footballing brain and great touch, that really held him back once he reached the top level.

Which is why I don't think Neco is going to be a valid option as a back up right back.  But Curtis has both the size and speed to make it at the very top.
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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #885 on: March 16, 2021, 02:21:01 pm »
I can never figure out his position really, he's not really a forward and not really a midfielder or a number 10 so?

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #886 on: March 16, 2021, 02:28:28 pm »
Ben's progression has really influenced my opinion of young players now.  He was never the quickest or biggest and despite his good footballing brain and great touch, that really held him back once he reached the top level.

And despite all the promise he show's that's my concern with Harvey Elliot.

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #887 on: March 16, 2021, 02:29:13 pm »
Woodburn should be looking at the likes of Bradley Dack as to how to model his game for a 10 in the lower leagues.
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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #888 on: March 16, 2021, 02:35:10 pm »
And despite all the promise he show's that's my concern with Harvey Elliot.

Think Elliott is a different proposition, he proper scampers around, Woodburn was slower in his movement.
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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #889 on: March 16, 2021, 02:46:52 pm »
Elliott is also a very different type of player who's biggest plus point is his passing/creativity. Woodburn broke through and stood out due to his goals/movement. It'll be easier finding a role in senior football for someone who's creative but may not have explosive athleticism.

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #890 on: March 16, 2021, 05:43:48 pm »
The club is more invested with the player if they own the player. If the loan isn't working ut early on they have no incentive to let the player play himself into form. The leg break didn't help either when he was just starting to play well at Oxford.

I saw him play at Oxford - in one of the last games before he got seriously injured. He was terrific, and the locals knew he was. They absolutely pasted....trying to think who it was....Gillingham perhaps.  And Woodburn was excellent in what looked like a very progressive team. (Brannagan, formerly of this manor, looked pretty decent too).
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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #891 on: March 17, 2021, 08:20:46 am »
He had quite a weight of expectation on his shoulders as well. He was being touted as the "next big thing" from a very early age which can make or break a player. Players (like all of us) develop both mentally and physically at different rates.

Obviously his injury problems set him back completely.

I wish him well when he inevitably moves on, but he will always be a "what if?" player for me.

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #892 on: March 17, 2021, 09:40:48 am »
I saw him play at Oxford - in one of the last games before he got seriously injured. He was terrific, and the locals knew he was. They absolutely pasted....trying to think who it was....Gillingham perhaps.  And Woodburn was excellent in what looked like a very progressive team. (Brannagan, formerly of this manor, looked pretty decent too).

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #893 on: March 17, 2021, 10:07:49 am »
He had quite a weight of expectation on his shoulders as well. He was being touted as the "next big thing" from a very early age which can make or break a player. Players (like all of us) develop both mentally and physically at different rates.

Obviously his injury problems set him back completely.

I wish him well when he inevitably moves on, but he will always be a "what if?" player for me.

Wouldn't rule him out just yet.

Ben was playing well at Oxford before he got injured. The issue Ben had was he was playing as front 3 for us in the early days but it was clear he won't play there. Now hes in midfield he stands a chance.

If we don't get into the CL I think Ben won't go out on loan and will stay with us to captain the under 23 and play in the EL if we get into that competition.

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Re: Ben Woodburn.
« Reply #894 on: March 23, 2021, 12:19:33 am »
Great to see Ben back in the limelight. Took his goals ever so well. Keep going, kid  :thumbup
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