Topic: Naby Keita Watch

[Sangria]

I'll bet on less than half.

It's a shame really because he can be a top player, just not on a regular basis. In terms of what we've got out of his signing, and what he cost, I think he's been the worst value for money since Joe Cole.

Carroll.

[jacobs chains]

Carroll.

Ha, just modified my post to throw Balotelli under the bus.

Carroll cost less, and in my opinion, gave more. But it's marginal at best

[Sangria]

Ha, just modified my post to throw Balotelli under the bus.

Carroll cost less, and in my opinion, gave more. But it's marginal at best

35m in 2011.

[Red-Soldier]

35m in 2011.

Still amazed we managed to get half that back.

Carroll actually scored the winner against the BS in the semis of the FA Cup.

[kaesarsosei]

It's a shame really because he can be a top player, just not on a regular basis.

50% of the posts in this thread are updates to Keita suffering another injury, and 50% are posts exactly like this one.

[jacobs chains]

35m in 2011.

Record signing for a forward at the time. I think Naby is still our record for a midfielder. Virg and Becker are the only players in our history to have cost more, I think. Might be wrong.

[Zlen]

I've no patience left for him. It's clear, though on evidence the skill is there, he'll never be the lynchpin of our midfield we hoped he would be. He's not reliable enough to claim that number 8 and make it his own. So now we're between 'too expensive for rotation' and 'too unreliable to build around him'. Any reasonable offer and I'd sell him immediately. Three years of this is quite enough to draw a line under and move on to a different player. Even one less talented is better for us if we can rely on him and build permanent relationships on the pitch with other players.

[rocco]

Very talented player but injured way to much and to be honest never really looks that driven/determined type of player needed in a Klopp side .

[PeterTheRed ...]

I think Jones is why we’re letting Gini go. You can see it in how he is being asked to play and where.

Our replacement for Wijnaldum on the starting XI is Thiago, next to Fabinho and Henderson. I expect that Jones will be developed into Thiago's successor. If we sell Keita, I expect that we will sign a player to replace him directly ...

[Suareznumber7]

He’s not happy here, he wants to play a more creative role and there’s no point keeping someone who isn’t motivated

Bissouma + A quality creative midfielder leaves us stronger than Gini + Keita

How do you know that? 

[Dim Glas]

I'll bet on less than half.

It's a shame really because he can be a top player, just not on a regular basis. In terms of what we've got out of his signing, and what he cost, I think he's been the worst value for money since Joe Cole/Balotelli.

There have been far worse value for money.

Cos even though his ridiculoud injury issues have made it a signing that didn’t work, he did contribute, even if it wasn’t a lot, to the club winning the two greatest prizes in football.

The likes of Markovic, Downing, Carrol, Benteke, Ballotelli, to name a few, now those where awful value.

[farawayred]

There have been far worse value for money.

Cos even though his ridiculoud injury issues have made it a signing that didn’t work, he did contribute, even if it wasn’t a lot, to the club winning the two greatest prizes in football.

The likes of Markovic, Downing, Carrol, Benteke, Ballotelli, to name a few, now those where awful value.

There is truth to that, but we shouldn't be judging contribution by the outcome. Winning the CL and PL have a component of luck and other things. Had we not won those, you would put Keita in the same category, right?

[number 168]

How do you know that?

Precisely. How anybody can condemn a player based on media speculation is ridiculous, you might as well believe the milkman as that. It might be true or it could be a load of bollocks. Leave it at that and wait until something happens or the player speaks for himself.

[Wilmo]

50% of the posts in this thread are updates to Keita suffering another injury, and 50% are posts exactly like this one.

And I'll be honest, I don't think he's often been that good when he has played. Likely due to the injuries, but still.

[Dim Glas]

There is truth to that, but we shouldn't be judging contribution by the outcome. Winning the CL and PL have a component of luck and other things. Had we not won those, you would put Keita in the same category, right?

that’s just a weird argument that I will have to re-read 100 times before I can get my head around it! 

I may reply if and when I get my head around it. 

[farawayred]

that’s just a weird argument that I will have to re-read 100 times before I can get my head around it! 

I may reply if and when I get my head around it. 

You are Harry Maguire and I claim my 5 quid.

Seriously though the end doesn't justify the means.

[royhendo]

If we do list him there’ll be plenty of competition to sign him. Plenty.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Yeah it's better for everyone if he leaves. Somewhere where expectations aren't very high and trainings aren't very intense. His career could get back on track and continue to be a very good player that he is.

[farawayred]

If we do list him there’ll be plenty of competition to sign him. Plenty.

Agree with that, although its a matter of valuation - the lower it is, the more clubs will be interested. And he's a very good player who is, sadly, rarely available. He can do well in more technical and less physical leagues. The question is whether we should try to cash in (give up on him) or not. I don't know what the right answer is, just my feeling is that we should sell if a decent offer comes in.

[Phineus]

Think Bayern or Dortmund will be interested in him.

As talented as he is, and as much as I’d love to see him consistently put a run together in the team, it makes sense to raise funds for a player who can be contributing week in week out.

[Felch Aid]

In the post covid era no club will touch him with his injury record.

Loan and option to buy at a club like Southampton is the only scenario I can see if Klopp has given up on him.

[rossipersempre]

If we do list him there’ll be plenty of competition to sign him. Plenty.

I hope you’re right Roy. Dortmund or the likes perhaps, a league where he’s known/remembered. But let’s not kid ourselves, this has been a big 3 year ‘gap’ on his footballing CV and we’re going to take a massive bath on that £45m regardless.

[kcbworth]

Carroll cost less, and in my opinion, gave more. But it's marginal at best

What? No way. We won the CL and league with Naby. Not even close

[The Test]

Aquilani... our Xabi replacement. 

[lamonti]

I hope you’re right Roy. Dortmund or the likes perhaps, a league where he’s known/remembered. But let’s not kid ourselves, this has been a big 3 year ‘gap’ on his footballing CV and we’re going to take a massive bath on that £45m regardless.

Be happy to take a massive bath on it and get him a move to club where he can start again and we can start again. I've convinced myself it'll be Dortmund. Maybe Paris will buy him or something mad.

[thaddeus]

It sounds like the club physios made a tailored programme for his hamstrings so as to avoid the constant niggles, then he missed the final few weeks with a hamstring niggle.  It may just be a reaction to the training but it sadly sums up his time here.

My worry is that even if we manage his fitness perfectly he will still be flogged by Guinea and we have the AFCON next season.  It looks like one of those that just wasn't mean to be but it would be sad if his final appearance was being subbed in the 43rd minute.

[mickeydocs]

Our replacement for Wijnaldum on the starting XI is Thiago, next to Fabinho and Henderson. I expect that Jones will be developed into Thiago's successor. If we sell Keita, I expect that we will sign a player to replace him directly ...

Expect or suspect?

[harryc]

Just hasn’t worked out for him, shame as he was such a beast at Leipzig.

[spider-neil]

If it's true Keita has a hamstring injury I don't see someone buying him this summer.

[kaesarsosei]

And I'll be honest, I don't think he's often been that good when he has played. Likely due to the injuries, but still.

I was firmly in the camp who thought he was worth persevering for, until this season. With the shitshow all over the pitch we could really have used Keita to finally show some resilience and help us out in MF when Fabinho was seconded to CB. But no, he never was able to and the bottle job away to Madrid (and let's not forget back-spasms away to Napoli a few seasons ago are another sign of mental/bottle issues) was the coup-de-grace for me. And didn't he have to come off early vs Barcelona too?

I'm now strongly in the camp of "get rid even if it means losing half our money on him". There just seems to be a little sign that his attitude is starting to go off too. The question marks were already there over his supposed slowness in even trying to learn English but now there seems to be a little whinging about Klopp going on. Get him out the door asap.

[clinical]

When he's on it he's brilliant. But he's always injured. Was so happy when we got him as well. Been such a let down due to injuries. Can't help but feel his internation team aided in all that. Playing him injured was ridiculous.

[tubby]

When he's on it he's brilliant. But he's always injured. Was so happy when we got him as well. Been such a let down due to injuries. Can't help but feel his internation team aided in all that. Playing him injured was ridiculous.

Has he been brilliant though?  He's put up good numbers when he's played but I can't think of a single match where he's been crucial to us getting a win or him coming on and turning the tide.

[amir87]

Accidently clicked on the first page of this thread instead. Makes for sad reading in hindsight.

It's like waiting for Santa to put the gifts under the xmas tree but by page 262 realising it's just your creepy uncle wearing a Santa costume getting you to sit on his lap and asking if you've been a good boy.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I was firmly in the camp who thought he was worth persevering for, until this season. With the shitshow all over the pitch we could really have used Keita to finally show some resilience and help us out in MF when Fabinho was seconded to CB. But no, he never was able to and the bottle job away to Madrid (and let's not forget back-spasms away to Napoli a few seasons ago are another sign of mental/bottle issues) was the coup-de-grace for me. And didn't he have to come off early vs Barcelona too?

I'm now strongly in the camp of "get rid even if it means losing half our money on him". There just seems to be a little sign that his attitude is starting to go off too. The question marks were already there over his supposed slowness in even trying to learn English but now there seems to be a little whinging about Klopp going on. Get him out the door asap.

The back spasms were a direct result of an injury he got playing for his national side. The mentality aspect is something that people threw at Sturridge as well.


The problem is his ability to stay fit consistently. Not his lack of bottle.

[Yorkykopite]

I thought he looked very happy yesterday.

[JC the Messiah]

Accidently clicked on the first page of this thread instead. Makes for sad reading in hindsight.

It's like waiting for Santa to put the gifts under the xmas tree but by page 262 realising it's just your creepy uncle wearing a Santa costume getting you to sit on his lap and asking if you've been a good boy.

Go to page 81, after his first game. The optimism was (quite rightly) high.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=336392.3200

Unfortunately, I think he peaked in his early appearances for us.

[Nobby Reserve]

Ah well, we'll always have the plane tracking

[didi shamone]

The back spasms were a direct result of an injury he got playing for his national side. The mentality aspect is something that people threw at Sturridge as well.


The problem is his ability to stay fit consistently. Not his lack of bottle.

Hate them mentality stuff. Sturridge is washed up at 31 because of his constant injuries and its hard to see Keita being any different. We need to take a haircut and move him on.

Gomez, Matip, Ox and Keita form a core of extremely injury prone top class players and we need reliable options in those positions. Gini going removes a consistent option in midfield which makes it even more important to cut our losses on Keita. I still think hes a marvellous talent though.

[AndyMuller]

Never listening to the RAWK xG and stat gurus when we sign a new player again. I was going around telling everyone that would listen that Keita will be the best midfielder in the league because of yous.

[Dave McCoy]

Never listening to the RAWK xG and stat gurus when we sign a new player again. I was going around telling everyone that would listen that Keita will be the best midfielder in the league because of yous.

For Naby it was never about xG unlike the forwards.  More that he filled in all the "stats" boxes at elite levels to a degree not usually seen.  Still does when he plays but he just never plays so /shrug.