Topic: Gay Footballers

[Alan B'Stard]

Yet the Premier League actively encourages it by allowing a regime who execute gay people to buy a club.

The Premier Leagues' moral compass along with their soul was sold to the devil a long time ago!

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I think that anyone that has a problem with someones sexuality should be sectioned to be honest.

They clearly have severe mental issues.

[Alan574]

It baffles you because you're a decent person and not a bigot. Unfortunately there are a ton of those, some hide behind religion and some just like to hate because it's different. The fact that its illegal to be queer in many countries with death a real possibility in 2021 is astounding but here we are and that's why it is considered 'brave' for many to come out. In a world that consistently shows hate, queer people are brave enough to choose to love in the open.

"Queer"  Very poor choice of word these days.

[Drinks Sangria]

"Queer"  Very poor choice of word these days.

Queer isn't used in the same context that it used to be, it's more a catch-all or umbrella term for sexual or gender minorities that don't conform with the hetero-normative.

I can't say I've ever asked them whether they'd take offence to me using the term, but my gay mates refer to themselves as queer often. I very much doubt they'd object to anyone calling them that, as much as no one wants mere categorisation to define them.

[stockdam]

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

A person's sexuality has nothing to do with the public and I don't see why it should be news. I know it's a rare thing (almost zero) but it means diddly squat to me. I don't mean that in the negative sense and I'm fully aware that it puts a target on the guy's back but why "come out" and let other assholes take a pop at you. I'll do my best to stand up to anyone who is being bullied for whatever reason.

The vast majority of us don't need to be told that being gay is "ok" but those that do will hardly change their views.

There will be lots of players who are gay but it's not my business nor should it be plastered over the news.

I don't walk in his shoes so I don't know why he feels he needs to come out. Those close to him probably knew a long time ago and won't have changed their views on him. Those that want to hate will now have a new target.
Nobody, in my opinion, should feel the need to tell the world about their sexuality and I guess they wouldn't if the rest of us made it clear that being gay is not an issue. I detest those who pick on anyone who is "different" but unfortunately the bullies tend to sneak in the dark and send their abuse anonymously like cowards.

Sorry if that sounds "wrong" but I'm trying to say that nobody should feel the need to tell anyone other than their closest friends about their sexuality. Our focus should be on the bullies and not the people whose human rights are violated. Please feel free to give me an alternative view as footballers coming out should not be a thing that is newsworthy.

[Drinks Sangria]

Stockdam, in an ideal world that's how anyone sane would like it to be. We live in a world far from that place though, and whilst being part of the queer spectrum is still considered 'othered' by elements of mainstream culture and large groups of people/religions, there is still a significance attached to coming out. I think we're decades away if not longer from the above. There's also billions of people that subscribe to religions that hate anything outside of heteronormative relationships and behaviour and will continue to condemn it.

[ToneLa]

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

I agree they don't have to, but it's entirely their choice

I long for the world where none of this matters you simply are - but we are a long way from it

But coming out is powerful thing. Validation for yourself as well as others.

And I'm favour of sportspersons doing it as it further normalises the idea. Football is ridiculously closeted I reckon.

I mean I personally have no need to come out as straight or white or whatever but that's absolutely my privilege and it's lucky for me.

If you need to come out, you should be absolutely free to in all walks of life.
If you don't, you don't

It costs nobody else anything and is no bad thing. Everyone must be free to be themselves in this respect - and if someone feels the need to come out, more power to them. We aren't all the same, but our freedoms must be.

[redgriffin73]

Maybe he thinks it will help others, or maybe he just wants to be able to hold hands with his partner in the street like most of us can without a second thought. As a famous person that would certainly have been jumped on if it hadn't been known (sadly it probably still will be but you know what I mean). Even if his family and friends knew, he'll have been living a secret life still because of being famous.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

A person's sexuality has nothing to do with the public and I don't see why it should be news. I know it's a rare thing (almost zero) but it means diddly squat to me. I don't mean that in the negative sense and I'm fully aware that it puts a target on the guy's back but why "come out" and let other assholes take a pop at you. I'll do my best to stand up to anyone who is being bullied for whatever reason.

The vast majority of us don't need to be told that being gay is "ok" but those that do will hardly change their views.

There will be lots of players who are gay but it's not my business nor should it be plastered over the news.

I don't walk in his shoes so I don't know why he feels he needs to come out. Those close to him probably knew a long time ago and won't have changed their views on him. Those that want to hate will now have a new target.
Nobody, in my opinion, should feel the need to tell the world about their sexuality and I guess they wouldn't if the rest of us made it clear that being gay is not an issue. I detest those who pick on anyone who is "different" but unfortunately the bullies tend to sneak in the dark and send their abuse anonymously like cowards.

Sorry if that sounds "wrong" but I'm trying to say that nobody should feel the need to tell anyone other than their closest friends about their sexuality. Our focus should be on the bullies and not the people whose human rights are violated. Please feel free to give me an alternative view as footballers coming out should not be a thing that is newsworthy.

I see what you're saying, but people have probably walked a long time in a model they felt they needed to walk to conform.

I have a few gay friends (male and female) and them 'coming out' is a time when they affirm their true feelings to trust this to the world.

I know what you're getting at that this is a private thing, but if young kids see this and feel safe and happy enough to come out themselves then this seems to be a good thing - that people can affirm what they are and feel confident enough to do it.


I agree that it's sad that some people are such utter shitbags that this is a 'thing' but not everyone is as understanding and decent as others.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Yet the Premier League actively encourages it by allowing a regime who execute gay people to buy a club.

But but but Newcastle fans deserve this something something......

[Barneylfc∗]

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

A person's sexuality has nothing to do with the public and I don't see why it should be news. I know it's a rare thing (almost zero) but it means diddly squat to me. I don't mean that in the negative sense and I'm fully aware that it puts a target on the guy's back but why "come out" and let other assholes take a pop at you. I'll do my best to stand up to anyone who is being bullied for whatever reason.

The vast majority of us don't need to be told that being gay is "ok" but those that do will hardly change their views.

There will be lots of players who are gay but it's not my business nor should it be plastered over the news.

I don't walk in his shoes so I don't know why he feels he needs to come out. Those close to him probably knew a long time ago and won't have changed their views on him. Those that want to hate will now have a new target.
Nobody, in my opinion, should feel the need to tell the world about their sexuality and I guess they wouldn't if the rest of us made it clear that being gay is not an issue. I detest those who pick on anyone who is "different" but unfortunately the bullies tend to sneak in the dark and send their abuse anonymously like cowards.

Sorry if that sounds "wrong" but I'm trying to say that nobody should feel the need to tell anyone other than their closest friends about their sexuality. Our focus should be on the bullies and not the people whose human rights are violated. Please feel free to give me an alternative view as footballers coming out should not be a thing that is newsworthy.

Because there are plenty if c*nts in the world still.
If a player wants to reveal his/her sexuality it's up to them how they should do it. It shouldn't be up to the likes of the Daily Mail to reveal front page news that a player was seen in a restaurant holding the hands of someone who is the same sex.

[villagelife]

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

A person's sexuality has nothing to do with the public and I don't see why it should be news. I know it's a rare thing (almost zero) but it means diddly squat to me. I don't mean that in the negative sense and I'm fully aware that it puts a target on the guy's back but why "come out" and let other assholes take a pop at you. I'll do my best to stand up to anyone who is being bullied for whatever reason.

The vast majority of us don't need to be told that being gay is "ok" but those that do will hardly change their views.

There will be lots of players who are gay but it's not my business nor should it be plastered over the news.

I don't walk in his shoes so I don't know why he feels he needs to come out. Those close to him probably knew a long time ago and won't have changed their views on him. Those that want to hate will now have a new target.
Nobody, in my opinion, should feel the need to tell the world about their sexuality and I guess they wouldn't if the rest of us made it clear that being gay is not an issue. I detest those who pick on anyone who is "different" but unfortunately the bullies tend to sneak in the dark and send their abuse anonymously like cowards.

Sorry if that sounds "wrong" but I'm trying to say that nobody should feel the need to tell anyone other than their closest friends about their sexuality. Our focus should be on the bullies and not the people whose human rights are violated. Please feel free to give me an alternative view as footballers coming out should not be a thing that is newsworthy.

Your completely right, its nobodies business, but sometimes i wish they would all come out, and give us ugly ones a chance with some of the belters they get.

[Elliemental]

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

Why on earth would straight people need to come out? They're not stigmatised, discriminated against or victimised for being straight. And yes, that's the same reason "Straight Pride" doesn't exist, before you go there. We live in such a deeply heteronormative society that, therefore, people do need to "come out" if they don't fit that deeply entrenched mould. It's done to de-stigmatise their sexuality, to normalise being non-straight. I don't even know why people struggle with this?

We know already that one Premier League player has been getting support from Stonewall, but simply doesn't feel safe enough to reveal his identity. That needs to change. The homophobia that exists in the football community (and yes, that includes LFC with those shitty "Chelsea rent boy" chants) needs to be tackled head on. It needs to be much more inclusive of the LGBTQ+ community before the players themselves will feel safe to come out. Right now, they're deeply closeted and that just isn't right.

[rob1966]

Why on earth would straight people need to come out? They're not stigmatised, discriminated against or victimised for being straight. And yes, that's the same reason "Straight Pride" doesn't exist, before you go there. We live in such a deeply heteronormative society that, therefore, people do need to "come out" if they don't fit that deeply entrenched mould. It's done to de-stigmatise their sexuality, to normalise being non-straight. I don't even know why people struggle with this?

We know already that one Premier League player has been getting support from Stonewall, but simply doesn't feel safe enough to reveal his identity. That needs to change. The homophobia that exists in the football community (and yes, that includes LFC with those shitty "Chelsea rent boy" chants) needs to be tackled head on. It needs to be much more inclusive of the LGBTQ+ community before the players themselves will feel safe to come out. Right now, they're deeply closeted and that just isn't right.

That's what he is getting at, straight or gay, it shouldn't matter. My 18 yr old niece isn't sure about where she sits, when she spoke to her Dad (my brother) he told her "I don't a fuck who you fancy, they just better treat you right" . Gay people shouldn't have to "come out of the closet", they are what they are. I don't care if either or both of my sons are gay, so long as they are happy. What I do care about is they live in a world that doesn't give a fuck if they are gay.

And as for the religious freaks, your fucking god created gay people, so if you have an issue, take it up with your fucking make believe sky fairy and don't start blaming the other make believe demon from hell

[Libertine]

I suspect you're trying to be supportive here but there are a few points on this.

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

A person's sexuality has nothing to do with the public and I don't see why it should be news.

Straight people "come out" every day. Just that they don't need to explicitly state it and nobody pays any attention, but they can generally be completely open with the world about their sexuality. You say a footballer's sexuality has nothing to do with the public and yet many (most?) footballers are very public about their sexuality. Their wives and girlfriends are all over the media and social media (Twitter, Instagram etc), they are seen at matches and even march around the pitch at Anfield and elsewhere at season's end. Now, maybe some fans don't like this and have no interest whatsoever. But a lot are interested in the footballer as a person and happy to be aware at least of the different aspects of their lives.

I don't walk in his shoes so I don't know why he feels he needs to come out. Those close to him probably knew a long time ago and won't have changed their views on him. Those that want to hate will now have a new target.
Nobody, in my opinion, should feel the need to tell the world about their sexuality and I guess they wouldn't if the rest of us made it clear that being gay is not an issue. I detest those who pick on anyone who is "different" but unfortunately the bullies tend to sneak in the dark and send their abuse anonymously like cowards.

Sorry if that sounds "wrong" but I'm trying to say that nobody should feel the need to tell anyone other than their closest friends about their sexuality. Our focus should be on the bullies and not the people whose human rights are violated. Please feel free to give me an alternative view as footballers coming out should not be a thing that is newsworthy.

You seem to be suggesting that in contrast to their straight teammates gay players should keep their sexuality hidden from the public? But why shouldn't they be able and happy to be open about it, in the same way as other players?

Yes, of course it shouldn't be a big issue and it shouldn't need to be a big event, but it obviously is right now. And will continue to be until enough players do come out and live openly such that it becomes commonplace.

[villagelife]

Why on earth would straight people need to come out? They're not stigmatised, discriminated against or victimised for being straight. And yes, that's the same reason "Straight Pride" doesn't exist, before you go there. We live in such a deeply heteronormative society that, therefore, people do need to "come out" if they don't fit that deeply entrenched mould. It's done to de-stigmatise their sexuality, to normalise being non-straight. I don't even know why people struggle with this?

We know already that one Premier League player has been getting support from Stonewall, but simply doesn't feel safe enough to reveal his identity. That needs to change. The homophobia that exists in the football community (and yes, that includes LFC with those shitty "Chelsea rent boy" chants) needs to be tackled head on. It needs to be much more inclusive of the LGBTQ+ community before the players themselves will feel safe to come out. Right now, they're deeply closeted and that just isn't right.

We live in a hetero sexual world because if we didnt we wouldnt be here.An all male population isnt going to last a generation

[Son of Spion]

We live in a hetero sexual world because if we didnt we wouldnt be here.An all male population isnt going to last a generation

We don't.

We live in a world where sexuality varies, although the majority of people are at the heterosexual end of the spectrum. This is quite normal and quite natural, and humanity is in no danger whatsoever of dying out.

The problems come when many of those in the majority demonise those in the minority, and that often stems from people reading far too much into a book written 2,000 years ago by men with very limited and primitive knowledge and outlook.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Do players still shower together though? I remember couple years ago a gay footballer said after he revealed his sexuality, that his teammates stopped showering naked.

[Persephone]

"Queer"  Very poor choice of word these days.

As someone who identifies as such, no it's not. It's an umbrella term for those who are gay, bisexual, lesbian or not cisgender. The acronym is LGBTQ.

 

Nah its posts like this, seeking to make someone feel guilty by pulling one word out context, when they are making a kind point, that is a poor choice.

It then causes people to get their backs up and feel attacked and less likely to offer the same support in the future.

Thank you for the support.  I'm considering that he might be coming from a place of ignorance. It can get confusing these days about which terms are socially acceptable and which are offensive.

[Persephone]

We live in a hetero sexual world because if we didnt we wouldnt be here.An all male population isnt going to last a generation

No we don't. We live in a bigoted world where people have to hide who they are born as. Do you honestly think of if the world were more inclusive, there wouldn't be any kids? Also at the rate we're going at, this "hetero world" isn't going to last much longer anyways.

[leroy]

I just don't get it.

Why should anyone have to "come out"? I don't see any straight people "coming out".

A person's sexuality has nothing to do with the public and I don't see why it should be news. I know it's a rare thing (almost zero) but it means diddly squat to me. I don't mean that in the negative sense and I'm fully aware that it puts a target on the guy's back but why "come out" and let other assholes take a pop at you. I'll do my best to stand up to anyone who is being bullied for whatever reason.

It's not about coming out though. It's about being able to live their life like any other sports person.  Yeah no straight people "come out" however they also don't have to hide the fact that they have a partner.  Don't have to scrutinize their social media to ensure there are not stray mentions of their personal life.  It's about having to be paranoid and worry about hiding who you are.  About being scared that if someone sees you on the street displaying affection for the person you love.  If a hetero player kisses his wife or girlfriend they don't need to worry about it impacting their career or safety.  Very clearly gay footballers feel they do.

[Alan574]

As someone who identifies as such, no it's not. It's an umbrella term for those who are gay, bisexual, lesbian or not cisgender. The acronym is LGBTQ.

 Thank you for the support.  I'm considering that he might be coming from a place of ignorance. It can get confusing these days about which terms are socially acceptable and which are offensive.

I've always looked on it as a very old fashioned word and one that heterosexuals used as a hate word.  I know gays use it themselves pretty much like black people use the N word but I still think it is out of order.  I have a gay son and have never heard him or his gay friends use the word.

[Persephone]

I've always looked on it as a very old fashioned word and one that heterosexuals used as a hate word.  I know gays use it themselves pretty much like black people use the N word but I still think it is out of order.  I have a gay son and have never heard him or his gay friends use the word.

Maybe because your son and his friends identify as gay. I'm not trying to offend you but it really doesn't matter what you think about the word. It's a perfectly legitimate way to describe a group of people who are not heterosexual. There are so many slurs that get thrown about it would be pointless to type. It's nothing like the N word so that's a false equivalence. Like I said before, its in the acronym and many people will identify as 'queer' and not gay/lesbian/ bisexual.

[Snail]

We live in a hetero sexual world because if we didnt we wouldnt be here.An all male population isnt going to last a generation

You are a tit.

[Millie]

You are a tit.

His custom title is so accurate.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I've always looked on it as a very old fashioned word and one that heterosexuals used as a hate word.  I know gays use it themselves pretty much like black people use the N word but I still think it is out of order.  I have a gay son and have never heard him or his gay friends use the word.

[CowboyKangaroo]

"Queer"  Very poor choice of word these days.

You are about 10 years behind the times there mate. Perfectly appropriate catch-all for non-heterosexual/cisgender forms of identification in the last decade

[ToneLa]

We live in a hetero sexual world because if we didnt we wouldnt be here

Like that matters to anybody but us. You're biased!

[Persephone]

You are a tit.

Next he'll be saying an all male generation will have no one to make the sandwiches. 

[rob1966]

Next he'll be saying an all male generation will have no one to make the sandwiches. 

Or do our washing and ironing

[Joff]

I can understand why he thinks Queer is derogatory though. 15 years ago it was derogatory and if you're not on top offo0 of what's acceptable and what's not, it's difficult to keep up.

I'm still trying to learn now, from what I would say was a pretty homophobic adolescence. I, and everyone I grewup with was the same. Luckily all my friends I grew up with, have, like me grown up, and are passing on their more Liberal attitudes to our kids.

My Dad struggles with it,  I think he's pretty much ok with people being gay, but he is against gay marriage. He's 80 and I'm not going to change his mind.

[Dim Glas]

Kloppo’s comments about Josh Cavallo coming out:

“I think we all agree, it should not be like this,” Klopp said. “Obviously, Josh doing that and it being such a big story, that is the problem we have: that it’s not normal or that he has to make an announcement and that he’s not just living his private life, and nobody should be bothered by that.”

Cavallo, in his announcement, lamented that “being a gay closeted footballer, I’ve had to learn to mask my feelings in order to fit the mould of a professional footballer”.

Klopp believed that “mould” had more to do with external perceptions than the views of those inside the game.

“What I can tell you with 30 years in the industry, I never had a dressing room where it would have been a problem at all,” he said.

“The problem is not the inner circle, the problem is the wider thing. We all have to work on it. It’s very disappointing that we still have to work on it, but we have to work on it, that’s how it is.

“This kind of news is not necessary, nobody has to make an announcement like that. I didn’t have to say that I’m hetero. These types of things should just be completely normal.

“I saw his speech or announcement and he looks like a really strong, smart young man and I really wish him all the best.

“I’m really thankful that he did it because now we talk again and I’m not sure when was the last time we talked about this subject and now we talk again and that’s always a good start for changes.”

from this article

[Anfield Kopite]

Sorry to ask in here. There was a topic in the news forum about trans people. As 51 year old straight man i found interesting and educational. Was it deleted or moved ?

[rob1966]

Sorry to ask in here. There was a topic in the news forum about trans people. As 51 year old straight man i found interesting and educational. Was it deleted or moved ?

Seems to have been deleted. You can ask a mod https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=337484.280

[Anfield Kopite]

Seems to have been deleted. You can ask a mod https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=337484.280

Yeah thats what i thought. Possibly somebody acting like tit.

[Rhi]

Klopp and Meikayla Moore discussing the rainbow laces campaign.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LFC/status/1464156985130029056

[Kenny's Jacket]

Klopp and Meikayla Moore discussing the rainbow laces campaign.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LFC/status/1464156985130029056

for anyone who thinks we dont need pride festivals or promoting LGBTQ issues take a look at some of the comments, Ive reported them to twitter hopefully they get banned

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Love the way Klopp is. Wonder if any/ many other managers do things like this to support LBGTQ etc

[Andy82lfc]

Klopp is just amazing. Not just a quick sound bite but a proper genuine interesting chat. Gonna go get some of those laces.

[lobsterboy]

for anyone who thinks we dont need pride festivals or promoting LGBTQ issues take a look at some of the comments, Ive reported them to twitter hopefully they get banned

Disgusting isn't it.
Hopefully those who feel so disgusted by this go and follow a club more suited to their prejudices like say, Newcastle.