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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38200 on: December 2, 2019, 06:46:03 PM »
Solskjaer = Souness

And the hope is/was that some of the magic "aura" of a previously successful outfit can/could be inculcated into an entirely new team who will then pick up where the old guard left off and continue to uphold the club's standards and play "the club's way" and adopt "the club's aspirations" yadda yadda....

And all this is supposed to come from some ex-player who brings with him, that vital "winning" DNA as he goes about infusing it within every aspect of the club's operational structure, from the tea lady to the kit-man....and ideally...within every player in the squad, who all look up in askance to their manager as to just what it is they're supposed to do to become a formidable team in their own right.

But these managers are usually just a very dilute reference to an era when things were going very well for the club, and these managers were only ever good at being the right "cog" in the right part of the overall machine, and it's not a given that they even understood the machine, let alone that they'll be capable of replicating it's construction....just because they themselves once formed a part of it.

So yes...  Solskjaer = Souness

What United will eventually need is a Benitez....a Rodgers....or ideally a Klopp.

Just as Shankly, Paisley, Dalglish's teams all had to fade away into loving memory and new personnel were brought in to wear the shirt and occupy the dug-out, so it will be with United until they can find a manager or two who can create another winning "machine" which is made up of brand new shiny parts. 
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38201 on: December 2, 2019, 07:23:16 PM »
And the hope is/was that some of the magic "aura" of a previously successful outfit can/could be inculcated into an entirely new team who will then pick up where the old guard left off and continue to uphold the club's standards and play "the club's way" and adopt "the club's aspirations" yadda yadda....

And all this is supposed to come from some ex-player who brings with him, that vital "winning" DNA as he goes about infusing it within every aspect of the club's operational structure, from the tea lady to the kit-man....and ideally...within every player in the squad, who all look up in askance to their manager as to just what it is they're supposed to do to become a formidable team in their own right.

But these managers are usually just a very dilute reference to an era when things were going very well for the club, and these managers were only ever good at being the right "cog" in the right part of the overall machine, and it's not a given that they even understood the machine, let alone that they'll be capable of replicating it's construction....just because they themselves once formed a part of it.

So yes...  Solskjaer = Souness

What United will eventually need is a Benitez....a Rodgers....or ideally a Klopp.

Just as Shankly, Paisley, Dalglish's teams all had to fade away into loving memory and new personnel were brought in to wear the shirt and occupy the dug-out, so it will be with United until they can find a manager or two who can create another winning "machine" which is made up of brand new shiny parts.

They probably need more of a Houllier - a stern disciplinarian who will move on the troublemakers, no matter their superstar status.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38202 on: December 2, 2019, 07:24:35 PM »
They probably need more of a Houllier - a stern disciplinarian who will move on the troublemakers, no matter their superstar status.

He'll be leaving in the January window anyway won't he?

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38203 on: December 2, 2019, 07:27:15 PM »
He'll be leaving in the January window anyway won't he?

I'm not sure they're going to get rid of Maguire that soon ;D ;D ;D
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38204 on: December 2, 2019, 07:36:10 PM »
I'm not sure they're going to get rid of Maguire that soon ;D ;D ;D

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38205 on: December 2, 2019, 07:50:46 PM »
I'm not sure they're going to get rid of Maguire that soon ;D ;D ;D

What about Shaw's superstar waistline?
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38206 on: December 2, 2019, 10:17:45 PM »
I still cant fathom what he's EVER done to cause the powers that be at Utd to put such faith in him.  Even today that ginger twat scholes was on sky saying Klopp got a season and a half....but Klopp had a proven track record of winning and success you ginger manc dickhead!!!!!!!

Long may it continue haha!

Funny, in Klopp's first full season after 14 games, we had won 9 games and gotten 30 points.

In Hodgson's time here, after 14 games, we had won 5 games and had 19 points.

Solskjaer's first full season after 14 games: won 4 games and has 18 points. And a flip chart.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38207 on: December 2, 2019, 10:22:33 PM »
What about Shaw's superstar waistline?

Where did he go anyway ?  Is he injured or just on a bender ?

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38208 on: December 2, 2019, 10:31:43 PM »
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« Reply #38209 on: December 2, 2019, 10:32:48 PM »
Funny, in Klopp's first full season after 14 games, we had won 9 games and gotten 30 points.

In Hodgson's time here, after 14 games, we had won 5 games and had 19 points.

Solskjaer's first full season after 14 games: won 4 games and has 18 points. And a flip chart.

Don’t you dare mock the flip chart!

It’s akin to the taking your glasses on and off and chewing the ends and pretending to have a deep thought in a meeting to look smarter.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38210 on: December 2, 2019, 10:35:08 PM »
This thread is still going strong I see.  Sad that your own current form isn’t enough to satisfy you lot. ;)

Well, it never stopped you lot did it?  8)
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38211 on: December 3, 2019, 12:35:11 AM »
Well, it's just rather fascinating to witness Manchester United having been being knocked off their perch by.....well....er....by Manchester United themselves to be honest. They've kind of suicidally leapt from their perch as it were, and that was nothing to do with any pressure from us in recent times. And my, what a leap it was, you didn't just step down into the CL spots, you've absolutely plummeted to mid table and this has all been overseen and orchestrated by your own administration and it's decision making. I mean, nobody expected you to leap THAT far in all honesty and it was widely believed you'd stay competitive and still be "there or thereabouts" when it came to the high end of the table.
 
Us doing well is very satisfying, but we all thought you'd be the ones to beat, not the "blue" wing of Manchester as has transpired. So you know....you've kind of "vacated" the perch, and left it clear for literally anybody to climb up onto it and thems the battles we're currently waging, but my god....you've not only leapt off it, you seem to have totally forgotten how to get "near" it....let alone on it again.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38212 on: December 3, 2019, 12:48:10 AM »
Love how there are still so many using Jürgen Klopp's career as a barometer for Solskjaer. It's a bit embarrassing for them, but funny all the same.

Well I think their basic pay is about the same......which I find rather amazing.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38213 on: December 3, 2019, 12:50:52 AM »
Don’t you dare mock the flip chart!

It’s akin to the taking your glasses on and off and chewing the ends and pretending to have a deep thought in a meeting to look smarter.

Surely you'd wear a nice tie and comb your hair to look smarter?
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« Reply #38214 on: December 3, 2019, 07:18:30 AM »
They probably need more of a Houllier - a stern disciplinarian who will move on the troublemakers, no matter their superstar status.

They need to do things The United Way. It's not about names.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38215 on: December 3, 2019, 08:59:40 AM »
I still cant fathom what he's EVER done to cause the powers that be at Utd to put such faith in him.  Even today that ginger twat scholes was on sky saying Klopp got a season and a half....but Klopp had a proven track record of winning and success you ginger manc dickhead!!!!!!!

Long may it continue haha!
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38216 on: December 3, 2019, 09:01:32 AM »
This thread is still going strong I see.  Sad that your own current form isn’t enough to satisfy you lot. ;)
What you have to realise is this is a piss take thread.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38217 on: December 3, 2019, 09:02:00 AM »
This thread is still going strong I see.  Sad that your own current form isn’t enough to satisfy you lot. ;)

You expect us to go easy on you lot and leave you alone now the boot is on the other foot? Haaaahahahahaha!!! Please. ;D
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38218 on: December 3, 2019, 09:15:39 AM »
The more you think about it, the madder – and funnier – it all seems.

Mourinho deserved the sack, and while Solskjaer felt like a crap appointment there was at least some logic. And it worked – there was an upturn in form and the mood improved around the place. But despite saying a decision would only be taken in the summer, Woodward makes him permanent boss off the back of the PSG game. Completely unnecessary as there was no chance Solskjaer would go elsewhere, but he was desperate for a PR win after years of bad press. A leader would have ignored the hype, and taken stock with a clearer head – said that while Solskjaer had an impact, he wasn’t getting the full-time job. That was the brave move, not to hand him the keys to the place after a fluke win.

What’s happened now is so, so predictable. Reckon any chairman has to ask themselves if the manager at their club is the very best they could have. There’s no way Woodward can think Ole is the best United can get – but he’s backed himself into a corner and now needs to back Solskjaer as to do otherwise would probably lead to him standing down as well having got yet another managerial appointment wrong. Who knows, maybe there’s an acceptance that United wouldn’t be getting top four under any manager so they may as well keep Ole around as a kind of sacrificial lamb. The fans won’t turn against him en masse because of what he did as a player, so it’s a form of protection for Woodward and the owners.

Even better, they’re probably going to miss out on Pochettino, a genuinely elite manager who they’ve coveted for years, because making a change is too embarrassing!

It's actually better than that, Woodward made him the permanent manager after back to back defeats to Wolves and Arsenal. The tide had already turned!
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38219 on: December 3, 2019, 11:40:05 AM »
You expect us to go easy on you lot and leave you alone now the boot is on the other foot? Haaaahahahahaha!!! Please. ;D

Well im hurt by the insinuation that my interest in Manchester United is schadenfreude.

I am above such baseness, I am motivated entirely by intellectual curiosity.

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« Reply #38220 on: December 3, 2019, 12:22:30 PM »
They probably need more of a Houllier - a stern disciplinarian who will move on the troublemakers, no matter their superstar status.

Totally agree with this. They need a decent manager to update the squad and get them 'near' before they get a manager that might get them 'there'.

But, with that said, Ole's at the wheel man, he's doing his thing, man united are back.
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« Reply #38222 on: December 3, 2019, 12:49:33 PM »
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« Reply #38223 on: December 3, 2019, 12:56:58 PM »
Solskjaer looks like the kid who's been allowed to hang out with the grown-ups he thinks are so cool
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38224 on: December 3, 2019, 01:04:52 PM »
Surely the board are already negotiating with Poch?
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« Reply #38225 on: December 3, 2019, 01:09:15 PM »
They probably need more of a Houllier - a stern disciplinarian who will move on the troublemakers, no matter their superstar status.
So not really Poch, judging by how things went in Spurs in the last few months

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« Reply #38226 on: December 3, 2019, 01:22:13 PM »
Surely the board are already negotiating with Poch?

Manchester Evening News had a story today about Poch wanting the job. But there's talk of Levy having put blockers in place of him moving to another PL team during the season. So maybe Woodward has opted to wait for the summer, and that's why Ole isn't getting sacked - because if they did, they'd have to install another caretaker until June.

But that almost makes sense, so it won't be that.

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« Reply #38227 on: December 3, 2019, 01:25:39 PM »
Manchester Evening News had a story today about Poch wanting the job. But there's talk of Levy having put blockers in place of him moving to another PL team during the season. So maybe Woodward has opted to wait for the summer, and that's why Ole isn't getting sacked - because if they did, they'd have to install another caretaker until June.

But that almost makes sense, so it won't be that.

Strange one that. Poch got the sack so he didn't leave, How can Spurs say what he can do next or on what time frame? I'm guessing the payoff included a clause that he couldn't manage in England this season but what if Poch rejected that? Is he not then sacked? very strange.

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« Reply #38228 on: December 3, 2019, 01:26:46 PM »
Manchester Evening News had a story today about Poch wanting the job. But there's talk of Levy having put blockers in place of him moving to another PL team during the season. So maybe Woodward has opted to wait for the summer, and that's why Ole isn't getting sacked - because if they did, they'd have to install another caretaker until June.

But that almost makes sense, so it won't be that.

It'd make sense, but there is every chance they will lose their next 2, in fact, I'd put money on Spurs grinding out a result there, and then them getting a proper beating by Abu Dhabi. 

That'd make his position very uncomfotable!  Although, the next lot of games they have, even for Solskjaer are winnable.

Strange one that. Poch got the sack so he didn't leave, How can Spurs say what he can do next or on what time frame? I'm guessing the payoff included a clause that he couldn't manage in England this season but what if Poch rejected that? Is he not then sacked? very strange.

It was likely in the contract that he signed?

 
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« Reply #38229 on: December 3, 2019, 01:27:57 PM »
Bielsa would whip them in to shape.  But they got Ole and if it's good enough for them.  Its good enough for me. 
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« Reply #38230 on: December 3, 2019, 01:32:18 PM »
41. Posted by Cleric on 37 minutes ago

I'm Sorry Ole, I love you dearly for your time as a player with us, but you're just not qualified for this job.

That's not to say that the squad and the hierarchy aren't equally incompetent mind!

What a mess we are since Fergie left...

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Blame Fergie

Back in 2013 United could have got any manager they wanted to replace him. Pep and Klopp were the bookies favourites but he chose Moyes as his successor. He also left behind a very ageing squad (RVP, Rooney, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, Scholes, Giggs).

He started the decline and once you fall down it's very difficult to come back up.

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158. Posted by SamB on 5 minutes ago

They told us he was a managerial genius, they told us he was the man to bring the glory days back to Old Trafford, they told us he was the messiah!



Never in the history of football has one man, made Man United fans look as stupid and as delusional as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer!



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« Reply #38231 on: December 3, 2019, 01:33:32 PM »
That reply about Fergie is a bit true though. Left them at the worst time and recommended Moyseh

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38232 on: December 3, 2019, 01:33:59 PM »
Strange one that. Poch got the sack so he didn't leave, How can Spurs say what he can do next or on what time frame? I'm guessing the payoff included a clause that he couldn't manage in England this season but what if Poch rejected that? Is he not then sacked? very strange.

I read on here, or maybe BBC, that Pochettino would have to pay Spurs back £12.5m as part of the severance package he got if he takes another Premier League job before the end of the season. But if that's the case, surely the new club would just pay that to him anyway?

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« Reply #38233 on: December 3, 2019, 01:39:35 PM »
3 points from there next seven games..... 5 if their B team Everton let them beat them.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38234 on: December 3, 2019, 01:47:04 PM »
I still cant fathom what he's EVER done to cause the powers that be at Utd to put such faith in him.  Even today that ginger twat scholes was on sky saying Klopp got a season and a half....but Klopp had a proven track record of winning and success you ginger manc dickhead!!!!!!!

Long may it continue haha!

That's a bit of re-writing history too. Klopp led us to two cup finals in his first part season, including outstanding wins against Man Utd, and in particular Dortmund who were streets ahead of us man to man on paper at the time. He subsequently followed that up with a top four finish, in a campaign where we were flirting with Chelsea for top spot until around Christmas before fading.

That was then followed up with a European Cup final, and followed up again with a 97 point season, and a European Cup victory.

Progress throughout, and an evolving, exciting style of football before our eyes. We were able to trust in the process as the signs were visible, overseen by a coach with an outstanding record of improving his teams.

United's situation cannot be in anyway compared to Klopp and Liverpool's. It's more akin to what happened under Souness.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38235 on: December 3, 2019, 02:09:44 PM »
Manchester Evening News had a story today about Poch wanting the job. But there's talk of Levy having put blockers in place of him moving to another PL team during the season. So maybe Woodward has opted to wait for the summer, and that's why Ole isn't getting sacked - because if they did, they'd have to install another caretaker until June.

But that almost makes sense, so it won't be that.

Only one caretaker i can think of - and he's English


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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38236 on: December 3, 2019, 02:18:26 PM »
That's a bit of re-writing history too. Klopp led us to two cup finals in his first part season, including outstanding wins against Man Utd, and in particular Dortmund who were streets ahead of us man to man on paper at the time. He subsequently followed that up with a top four finish, in a campaign where we were flirting with Chelsea for top spot until around Christmas before fading.

That was then followed up with a European Cup final, and followed up again with a 97 point season, and a European Cup victory.

Progress throughout, and an evolving, exciting style of football before our eyes. We were able to trust in the process as the signs were visible, overseen by a coach with an outstanding record of improving his teams.

United's situation cannot be in anyway compared to Klopp and Liverpool's. It's more akin to what happened under Souness.

Yeah this idea that we were somehow shite for 18 months is absolute bullshit. We were an Alberto Moreno masterclass away from winning the UEFA, and it was a clear upward curve the whole way.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38237 on: December 3, 2019, 02:22:08 PM »
I read on here, or maybe BBC, that Pochettino would have to pay Spurs back £12.5m as part of the severance package he got if he takes another Premier League job before the end of the season. But if that's the case, surely the new club would just pay that to him anyway?

That's what I was thinking. Just pay the severance to get the manager you want. For united it is a drop in the ocean. In fact to get the right manager it is nothing really nowadays.
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38238 on: December 3, 2019, 02:22:39 PM »
That reply about Fergie is a bit true though. Left them at the worst time and recommended Moyseh

In some ways, you can see that the club were between a rock and a hard place as soon as he made his recommendation - hire Moyes, or pile extra pressure (and whoever took the role was always on a hiding to nothing) on the new manager by overlooking Ferguson's chosen one.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O9e from Molde!" - Ole STILL AT THE WHEEL!!
« Reply #38239 on: December 3, 2019, 03:11:29 PM »
That's what I was thinking. Just pay the severance to get the manager you want. For united it is a drop in the ocean. In fact to get the right manager it is nothing really nowadays.


Yeah, £12.5m now, then his wages, then another massive severance in 18 months/2 years when they hate him ;D