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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36200 on: October 9, 2019, 01:04:48 PM »
Watched the Man United relegation film on BT sport again last night. I’m old enough to remember it. I know it can’t happen again but the thought of it is pleasurable.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36201 on: October 9, 2019, 01:49:22 PM »
Watched the Man United relegation film on BT sport again last night. I’m old enough to remember it. I know it can’t happen again but the thought of it is pleasurable.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36202 on: October 9, 2019, 01:56:08 PM »
Couldn't give a toss who they bring in. Judging from Spurs' form, Poch would do fuck all there, certainly not better than Mourinho, and Allegri could be another Van Gaal. Fact of the matter is, they don't give the managers time. They want it all. And they want it now. The "United Way" is a magical flying unicorn that shits rainbows after it eats players and managers careers for breakfast.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36203 on: October 9, 2019, 02:06:00 PM »
Couldn't give a toss who they bring in. Judging from Spurs' form, Poch would do fuck all there, certainly not better than Mourinho, and Allegri could be another Van Gaal. Fact of the matter is, they don't give the managers time. They want it all. And they want it now. The "United Way" is a magical flying unicorn that shits rainbows after it eats players and managers careers for breakfast.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36204 on: October 9, 2019, 02:10:09 PM »
Watched the Man United relegation film on BT sport again last night. I’m old enough to remember it. I know it can’t happen again but the thought of it is pleasurable.

We have got to turn from doubters into believers, now! Why not the manc fan base have already turned from believers into doubters.

Coupla more Freds , big money no impact, and a Pogba shit fit in January-they are not as far away as you think. "C'mon the Ed"  there will be a film "Two weeks in January".

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« Reply #36205 on: October 9, 2019, 02:13:13 PM »
I said this a couple of times but what these fuckers are failing to realise is that all empires crumble and die.  There's was wiped out as soon as Alex Ferguson did one.

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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36206 on: October 9, 2019, 02:21:22 PM »
I said this a couple of times but what these fuckers are failing to realise is that all empires crumble and die.  There's was wiped out as soon as Alex Ferguson did one.

It will always be the same. City will have it when Pep leaves, Barca when Messi goes, probably us when Klopp goes too. The way to minimise it is how well you react. Utd completely changed and it's why they are where they are. They have money to fix it but will take a while. If I'm not mistaken they will lose a massive chunk of sponsorship money with no top 4 this season?
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« Reply #36207 on: October 9, 2019, 02:28:49 PM »
It will always be the same. City will have it when Pep leaves, Barca when Messi goes, probably us when Klopp goes too. The way to minimise it is how well you react. Utd completely changed and it's why they are where they are. They have money to fix it but will take a while. If I'm not mistaken they will lose a massive chunk of sponsorship money with no top 4 this season?

City won titles without Guardiola, they weren't as dominant but they still won them. As long as they have their owners, they'll be contending. The Red Mancs on the other hand are going down a spiral that may take another 10 years to recover from.

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« Reply #36208 on: October 9, 2019, 02:31:09 PM »
I said this a couple of times but what these fuckers are failing to realise is that all empires crumble and die.  There's was wiped out as soon as Alex Ferguson did one.

It happened before that. Fergie had the chance to lay the foundations to let United carry on as a competitive force on the pitch after he went, but rather he built short term to add more to his trophy cabinet instead.

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« Reply #36209 on: October 9, 2019, 02:32:42 PM »
City won titles without Guardiola, they weren't as dominant but they still won them. As long as they have their owners, they'll be contending. The Red Mancs on the other hand are going down a spiral that may take another 10 years to recover from.

They did. But when were they getting 100 and 98 points a season?
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36210 on: October 9, 2019, 03:55:21 PM »
It will always be the same. City will have it when Pep leaves, Barca when Messi goes, probably us when Klopp goes too. The way to minimise it is how well you react. Utd completely changed and it's why they are where they are. They have money to fix it but will take a while. If I'm not mistaken they will lose a massive chunk of sponsorship money with no top 4 this season?

Don't worry, When Klopp goes in two and a half years Stevie will be ready  :scarf

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« Reply #36211 on: October 9, 2019, 04:07:19 PM »
Don't worry, When Klopp goes in two and a half years Stevie will be ready  :scarf

When Klopp goes, a grim sentence that, but when Klopp does go I hope our board has the foresight to replace him with one of the other absolute best coaches in the world, whoever that may be.

It's fair to say Old Trafford is a good example of why such appointments shouldn't be guided by sentiment.
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« Reply #36212 on: October 9, 2019, 04:21:52 PM »
Denis Law. Backheeled them to division 2

Isn't their last game against Leicester? Maybe Jonny Evans will back heel them into the championship?
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Re: "Green and Gold, it's O10e from Molde!" Mighty Conquerors of Rochdale!
« Reply #36213 on: October 9, 2019, 05:12:39 PM »
When Klopp goes, a grim sentence that, but when Klopp does go I hope our board has the foresight to replace him with one of the other absolute best coaches in the world, whoever that may be.

It's fair to say Old Trafford is a good example of why such appointments shouldn't be guided by sentiment.

Yep. Prefer Ljinders to Gerrard at the moment.
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« Reply #36214 on: October 9, 2019, 05:28:40 PM »
When Klopp goes, a grim sentence that, but when Klopp does go I hope our board has the foresight to replace him with one of the other absolute best coaches in the world, whoever that may be.

It's fair to say Old Trafford is a good example of why such appointments shouldn't be guided by sentiment.

And that won't be Gerrard.

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« Reply #36215 on: October 9, 2019, 06:18:50 PM »
I wouldnt get to cocky lads Callum Wilson is going to get the full Ed Woodward treatment in January, 60m and 250 grand a week.  ;D ;D

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« Reply #36216 on: October 9, 2019, 06:29:50 PM »
We have got to turn from doubters into believers, now! Why not the manc fan base have already turned from believers into doubters.

Coupla more Freds , big money no impact, and a Pogba shit fit in January-they are not as far away as you think. "C'mon the Ed"  there will be a film "Two weeks in January".

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« Reply #36217 on: October 9, 2019, 07:06:50 PM »
Yep. Prefer Ljinders to Gerrard at the moment.
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« Reply #36218 on: October 9, 2019, 07:11:25 PM »
Neither should be managing the club. Ljinders is a good coach but he failed miserably in Holland as a manager. Whoever replaces Klopp needs to be proven at a higher level than either of those two, we can't afford to have another period of poor managerial choices and going in cycles of mistake after mistake.


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« Reply #36219 on: October 9, 2019, 07:20:18 PM »
It's far from easy getting the next manager right.
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« Reply #36220 on: October 9, 2019, 07:21:26 PM »
Neither should be managing the club. Ljinders is a good coach but he failed miserably in Holland as a manager. Whoever replaces Klopp needs to be proven at a higher level than either of those two, we can't afford to have another period of poor managerial choices and going in cycles of mistake after mistake.


Yup spot on. Grew tired over the years of appointments like Gary Mac etc or even Fowler. Give jobs to people who are qualified at the level you mentioned. Gone are the days of the boot room etc sadly

We seem to be at a good place with regards to appointing the right people for the right jobs nowadays and long may it continue
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« Reply #36221 on: October 9, 2019, 07:38:21 PM »
Neither should be managing the club. Ljinders is a good coach but he failed miserably in Holland as a manager. Whoever replaces Klopp needs to be proven at a higher level than either of those two, we can't afford to have another period of poor managerial choices and going in cycles of mistake after mistake.

It's one thing to go into a new club and try to install systems in place that weren't there before, and it's another to promote someone who is an intrinsic part of the current system that is seeing success. I'm not sure Pep has the heart for the stresses of management, but it wouldn't necessarily be the same outcome as his time in Holland. The reason the Boot Room worked was because Paisley stepped up and kept everything the same; then Joe stepped up, and kept everything the same; then Kenny stepped up and kept everything the same. The problems started when Souness came in and tried to turn us into Sampdoria.
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« Reply #36222 on: October 9, 2019, 07:43:23 PM »
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« Reply #36223 on: October 9, 2019, 07:46:17 PM »
I'm 100% sure that our analytics team in the same way that they're analysing players, will find the right manager to succeed Jurgen based on statistical improvement of teams they've managed (even if they haven't won trophies).  You can see, for example, that Mersch at RB Salzburg has a team that presses and attacks but there will be some serious number crunching going on behind the scenes to decide who the best manager is when the time comes. And I'm pretty sure it won't be Gerrard.
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« Reply #36224 on: October 9, 2019, 08:07:27 PM »
I didn't follow anything about them this week, any chance they are sacking Ole or they give him time until summer?

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« Reply #36225 on: October 9, 2019, 08:09:40 PM »
I didn't follow anything about them this week, any chance they are sacking Ole or they give him time until summer?

He's already been sacked

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« Reply #36226 on: October 9, 2019, 08:22:56 PM »
City’s wage bill is slightly lower than ours? Is some of it still hived off?
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« Reply #36227 on: October 9, 2019, 08:51:17 PM »
When Klopp goes, a grim sentence that, but when Klopp does go I hope our board has the foresight to replace him with one of the other absolute best coaches in the world, whoever that may be.

It's fair to say Old Trafford is a good example of why such appointments shouldn't be guided by sentiment.

Klopp said something about replacing him with Gerrard the other week, not sure if it was a jokey reply, but if Klopp is helping him to develop as a manager, then could work out well for us.

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« Reply #36228 on: October 9, 2019, 09:07:08 PM »
Klopp said something about replacing him with Gerrard the other week, not sure if it was a jokey reply, but if Klopp is helping him to develop as a manager, then could work out well for us.

I read the article he mentioned this in it wasn’t in 442, it did not quite say that . He told John Bishop in an interview that if he was sacked tomorrow there is an infrastructure in place and kenny could step in or Stevie G , he was not indispensable basically. He was just being humble as I read it. 

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« Reply #36229 on: October 9, 2019, 09:16:08 PM »
I read the article he mentioned this in it wasn’t in 442, it did not quite say that . He told John Bishop in an interview that if he was sacked tomorrow there is an infrastructure in place and kenny could step in or Stevie G , he was not indispensable basically. He was just being humble as I read it. 

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« Reply #36230 on: October 9, 2019, 09:17:42 PM »
It's one thing to go into a new club and try to install systems in place that weren't there before, and it's another to promote someone who is an intrinsic part of the current system that is seeing success. I'm not sure Pep has the heart for the stresses of management, but it wouldn't necessarily be the same outcome as his time in Holland. The reason the Boot Room worked was because Paisley stepped up and kept everything the same; then Joe stepped up, and kept everything the same; then Kenny stepped up and kept everything the same. The problems started when Souness came in and tried to turn us into Sampdoria.

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« Reply #36231 on: October 9, 2019, 09:21:42 PM »
Btw...... manure are just that. Yes they have a name as a club. But as a team on the pitch they are not.only shit. They are the worst in the division.  They are so fucking poor. Hope the league is true to itself and they get fucking relegated.  Can't stand anything about them
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« Reply #36232 on: October 9, 2019, 09:26:42 PM »
To go off on a complete tangent for no reason, I do like Sampdoria's badge, it's one of my favourites.

On another tangent, I can now only pronounce their name in the style of Don Howe.

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« Reply #36233 on: October 9, 2019, 09:27:26 PM »
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« Reply #36235 on: October 9, 2019, 09:52:08 PM »
The mood music seems to be that a change will be made sooner rather than later. Hopefully after we’ve beaten them.
Think if they were going to sack him before they play us, it would have happened by now.
We sacked Brendan straight after the league game preceding this international break 4 years ago, to give Klopp more time to settle in.
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« Reply #36236 on: October 9, 2019, 10:15:09 PM »
I read the article he mentioned this in it wasn’t in 442, it did not quite say that . He told John Bishop in an interview that if he was sacked tomorrow there is an infrastructure in place and kenny could step in or Stevie G , he was not indispensable basically. He was just being humble as I read it. 

I only saw it reported on SSN, so I only got to see it with their spin on it.

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« Reply #36237 on: October 9, 2019, 10:20:29 PM »
He's already been sacked

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« Reply #36238 on: October 9, 2019, 10:21:23 PM »
It's a long term project.  Oles been chosen to oversee it. His vast managerial experience and credentials of rebuilding football clubs from the bottom up is what is going to keep him at the helm. Moreover ole has already informed everybody that there are going to be ups and downs twists and turns.  This insightful knowledge of what fans need to prepare themselves for and accept as the rebuilding process begins and takes shape. This is something they really need to understand. 
It took Ferguson years to manipulate the fa figure it all out domestically.  As we know he couldn't sustain it on the continent.  2 wins in 30 years and heralded as the best manager ever, Ole won't need to do too much to be a great.
So give the guy some time for God's sake. Instant success is not possible.  Look how long it took Klopp to build a team. Ole is on par with Klopp. So let him get on with the job at hand and offer him the patience he deserves. He is after all a club legend and being trigger happy and sacking him is no way to treat one of your own.
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