Topic: Kop to be expanded ...

[kopite321]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kop-set-expanded-part-liverpools-12739649

[Smurfite]

Found some images showing the changes to the Kop.

Source: https://xcancel.com/lovefutebol

[Alan_X]

Found some images showing the changes to the Kop.

Source: https://xcancel.com/lovefutebol

That's a bit excessive - they're demolishing the new Main Stand!

[John_P]

Just seems odd to me that it was never built that way in the first place.

[Alan_X]

Just seems odd to me that it was never built that way in the first place.

Part of the new extension hangs over over Walton Breck Road. They may not have had air rights permission from the highways or council before.

[oojason]

A shame they're not re-angling the sides of the back of 304 & 306 too a little (just 45 degrees or so?) - as to give the fans up there by an unrestricted view of the pitch.

Though good we're getting more fans on the Kop

[poopscoop]

A lot of cost for very little gain, in my opinion. I appreciate a good job was done incorporating the existing MS into the new main stand but don't believe the same rule should apply to the Kop - unless it significantly increases capacity and improves sight lines and accessibility for fans.
I'd sooner see an enhanced purpose built Anny Road end to deliver increased capacity. As or when permission is granted to look at the Kop end it should be done without the make do and mend philosophy that we currently have. It's not like its a historic structure or anything - that went 20-odd years ago.

[Alan_X]

A lot of cost for very little gain, in my opinion. I appreciate a good job was done incorporating the existing MS into the new main stand but don't believe the same rule should apply to the Kop - unless it significantly increases capacity and improves sight lines and accessibility for fans.
I'd sooner see an enhanced purpose built Anny Road end to deliver increased capacity. As or when permission is granted to look at the Kop end it should be done without the make do and mend philosophy that we currently have. It's not like its a historic structure or anything - that went 20-odd years ago.

It's a short term fix to mitigate the loss of seats when they improve the number of wheelchair accessible seats. And rebuilding the Kop on the existing footprint would reduce capacity because of current guidance on seat spacing. The Anfield Road expansion is a completely separate issue and a new build from scratch would also have a lower capacity for the same reason - current legislation.

[Giovanni]

Though good we're getting more fans on the Kop

There'll be less

[kopite321]

There'll be less

How do you work that out mate?

[Giovanni]

How do you work that out mate?

They are putting disabled seats in where 109 is currently

Graham Smith is saying its a slight decrease

[Milo the Monkey]

They are putting disabled seats in where 109 is currently

Graham Smith is saying its a slight decrease

The truth of it is that you're losing 115 seats in 109 and gaining 235 seats in 202 and 235 in 208 which is a net gain of 355 seats in the KOP.

Will it make a difference to the atmosphere in the KOP.........probably not  .

If you want to be really pedantic you could say that in reality 109 was originally and still feels more like part of the Centenary. It was only made part of the KOP on safety grounds as far as I'm aware.

[Narwin Dunez]

They are putting disabled seats in where 109 is currently

Graham Smith is saying its a slight decrease

So they'll only be less if disabled supporters don't count as people. Right.

[TepidT2O]

So they'll only be less if disabled supporters don't count as people. Right.

Exactly....

[Anfield89]

I've never heard anything like it.....

Disabled seats don't count now? The capacity is increasing.

[Giovanni]

What the fuck is the matter with you lot.

I didn't say disabled seats don't count, but the footprint for a disabled seat is obviously larger than a standard seat, and some seats are going to make way for an additional access route. The increase in additional seats in the kop and adding seats to the end of the rows won't make up for the seats lost - that is straight from Graham Smiths mouth following a meeting with the club.

These are his actual quotes

It is not being extended it is being reduced in size.

Disabled bays coming in means a loss of seats.

Some 'new' seats being created  but they will not replace the number being lost.

The last I was told is a net loss in both stands - the plans were developing though so we'll see.
But that's the current state of knowledge.

So take that sanctimonious shit elsewhere.

[Narwin Dunez]

I feel kind of bad now I was only on a wind up.

[Giovanni]

arf 

[Maldini]

Is there a reason they're not extending the main stand side of The Kop back as far as the central rows? Could be close to a thousand extra seats there and they wouldn't hand over the WBR

[andy07]

Is there a reason they're not extending the main stand side of The Kop back as far as the central rows? Could be close to a thousand extra seats there and they wouldn't hand over the WBR

Cost per seat I imagine,  they would probably have to extend the concourse and put in extra entrances, 301-303.   Would involve building up supports from ground level too.

[meady1981]

Cost per seat I imagine,  they would probably have to extend the concourse and put in extra entrances, 301-303.   Would involve building up supports from ground level too.

Think the sight lines would be an issue in the farthest corners. Al'll know.

EDIT
Actually there's a thread on it here
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=323829.0

OK. It's been discussed on here before somewhere. You're right you could square it off on that side and get some extra seats in. You could also square off the other side if it cantilevered over the road. I did a bit of modelling to show how that might work a while back.

I don't know what the cost would be but it's probably one of the easier options for squeezing a few more seats in if there's demand after the current redevelopment. It's a standalone piece of work though so there's no great benefit in doing if now and complicating the logistics of a tight site that has tens of thousands of supporters walking through it on a regular basis.

[JimmyGrunt]

The truth of it is that you're losing 115 seats in 109 and gaining 235 seats in 202 and 235 in 208 which is a net gain of 355 seats in the KOP.

Will it make a difference to the atmosphere in the KOP.........probably not  .

If you want to be really pedantic you could say that in reality 109 was originally and still feels more like part of the Centenary. It was only made part of the KOP on safety grounds as far as I'm aware.

109? My ST's in 109 and ive not heard anything about it? 109 is a raised part of the ground, with stair access.....why would they put disabled viewing up there?

[kopite321]

Any idea if they have started on the Kop alterations yet?

[paul j]

Any idea if they have started on the Kop alterations yet?

started just over a week ago,last time I went past they had removed some of the tin cladding to expose the steel work that isn't normally visible.

[kopite321]

started just over a week ago,last time I went past they had removed some of the tin cladding to expose the steel work that isn't normally visible.

Thanks Paul... if anyone is going past the Kop over the closed season can you grab some pics for me. Ta.

[Big Red Richie]

As of yesterday, as Paul says, all they've done so far is remove some of the exterior cladding, to expose the steelwork.

The fact that there doesn't seem to be much going on, might mean that some steelwork MAY BE being fabricated, off site.

[kopite321]

As of yesterday, as Paul says, all they've done so far is remove some of the exterior cladding, to expose the steelwork.

The fact that there doesn't seem to be much going on, might mean that some steelwork MAY BE being fabricated, off site.

Thanks mate for the update.

[TepidT2O]

As of yesterday, as Paul says, all they've done so far is remove some of the exterior cladding, to expose the steelwork.

The fact that there doesn't seem to be much going on, might mean that some steelwork MAY BE being fabricated, off site.

So they're just extending back so it's no longer staggered?

[laddo]

So they're just extending back so it's no longer staggered?

The pictures in the 2nd post in this thread show you exactly what they are doing.

[TepidT2O]

The pictures in the 2nd post in this thread show you exactly what they are doing.

Cheers, they were so small I hadn't spotted

[RedorRed]

With the reduced over hang of the roof and the straightening of the back of the Kop will this have a detrimental effect on the sound generated and focused towards the pitch?

[CraigDS]

With the reduced over hang of the roof and the straightening of the back of the Kop will this have a detrimental effect on the sound generated and focused towards the pitch?

Yeah instead of being silent, negative noise will actually be created.

[Big Red Richie]

Moving on slowly.

[Narwin Dunez]

I fucking hate the shitty quotes and photo opportunities that they tack onto the ground. It's meant to be a fortress not fucking Disney land.

[CraigDS]

I fucking hate the shitty quotes and photo opportunities that they tack onto the ground. It's meant to be a fortress not fucking Disney land.

So we need turrets, gargoyles, moats, etc?

[J_Kopite]

I fucking hate the shitty quotes and photo opportunities that they tack onto the ground. It's meant to be a fortress not fucking Disney land.

Where the p*nis pounds.
Where one partner mounts.
Anfield. Where climax happens.

[poopscoop]

Moving on slowly.

Loving this, sure to improve the ambiance. Light, airy, spacious and a magnificent view down the Walton Breck - brings a whole new feel to the Kop.

[RedorRed]

Loving this, sure to improve the ambiance. Light, airy, spacious and a magnificent view down the Walton Breck - brings a whole new feel to the Kop.

Really.... its a few hundred seats..... not going to make any difference at all.

[Red_Rich]

Really.... its a few hundred seats..... not going to make any difference at all.

Woosh?!

[Alan_X]

Really.... its a few hundred seats..... not going to make any difference at all.

It means we meet the standards for disabled seating without losing capacity - that's a difference.