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Theresa May and Truth
« on: February 1, 2017, 05:41:14 pm »
"And I ensured justice for the families of Hillsborough". Prime Minister, House of Commons, 1 February 2017.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #1 on: February 1, 2017, 05:44:55 pm »
Saw this in the Echo. Madness.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #2 on: February 1, 2017, 05:54:38 pm »

Of course she did - fuckin loon !
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #3 on: February 1, 2017, 06:33:57 pm »
Bloody hell, thanks for posting Phil.

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« Reply #4 on: February 1, 2017, 10:28:20 pm »
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #7 on: February 2, 2017, 12:48:21 am »
This has now been tweeted in part ... so here's the full text:

Prime Minister, Hillsborough and ‘post-truth’

“And I ensured justice for the families of Hillsborough”.
This was the remarkable claim made by Prime Minister Theresa May in the House of Commons today. It is clear that we now live in a political climate where ‘truth’ no longer matters; where reality can be reconstructed to suit the selfish interests of those whose disingenuous claims become accepted facts simply because they are made.

I have researched and published on the injustices of Hillsborough for 27 years: two major reports; four editions of Hillsborough: The Truth - first published in 1999; numerous academic articles and television/ film documentaries. I wrote the initial proposal for the Hillsborough Independent Panel and headed its research. The Panel was appointed by a Labour Government following Andy Burnham’s impassioned approach to Gordon Brown. He was supported by Merseyside MPs, not least Steve Rotheram.

The research was located in my university and I was principal author of the Panel’s 398 page, twelve chapter, report. On 12 September 2012 I delivered it to families and survivors in two extensive presentations, neither of which were filmed - nor were they recorded. David Cameron was then Prime Minister. It fell to him to make the now well documented double apology to families and survivors in the House of Commons. The families, their loved ones and the survivors were vindicated.

After the report’s publication, it was the High Court that quashed the accidental death inquest verdicts, ordering new inquests. As Home Secretary at the time, Theresa May had no option but to initiate a new criminal investigation and a full review by the Independent Police Complaints Commission. Four years on, these most expensive investigations in legal history, employing hundreds of full-time officers, have still to conclude.

Following a year of preliminary hearings, the longest-ever inquests ran for two full years, concluding in late April 2016. Their inception, process and outcome had nothing to do with Theresa May. The jury’s verdict was unequivocal. The 96 had been unlawfully killed, the authorities involved particularly the South Yorkshire Police were condemned in 25 severe criticisms. The fans, so long vilified in the media and by politicians, were vindicated.

Establishing the truth of Hillsborough, both in the Panel’s work and via the inquests, was the result of years of painstaking research and investigation. It was conducted often against the odds, in a climate hostile to the truth, bringing threats and disdain to those of us involved. No people know that better than the bereaved families, the survivors and all who have worked throughout to reverse the injustices of Hillsborough.
To witness a Prime Minister, her ego possibly inflated by extraordinary recent events in the United States, claiming that she ensured justice for families is, at best, delusional. At worst it is a culpable untruth, perhaps uttered in the heat of the moment, to gain traction at a time when her integrity already is under scrutiny.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #8 on: February 2, 2017, 09:13:32 am »
The perfect response Phil. The sheer barefaced, shameless manipulation of the truth by those in power is something you must be sickeningly familiar with now - but even allowing for that, this was a particularity exasperating and opportunistic comment and something that couldn't be left unchecked. Thanks (again) for everything.
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #9 on: February 2, 2017, 09:23:05 am »
This has now been tweeted in part ... so here's the full text:

Prime Minister, Hillsborough and ‘post-truth’

“And I ensured justice for the families of Hillsborough”.
This was the remarkable claim made by Prime Minister Theresa May in the House of Commons today. It is clear that we now live in a political climate where ‘truth’ no longer matters; where reality can be reconstructed to suit the selfish interests of those whose disingenuous claims become accepted facts simply because they are made.

I have researched and published on the injustices of Hillsborough for 27 years: two major reports; four editions of Hillsborough: The Truth - first published in 1999; numerous academic articles and television/ film documentaries. I wrote the initial proposal for the Hillsborough Independent Panel and headed its research. The Panel was appointed by a Labour Government following Andy Burnham’s impassioned approach to Gordon Brown. He was supported by Merseyside MPs, not least Steve Rotheram.

The research was located in my university and I was principal author of the Panel’s 398 page, twelve chapter, report. On 12 September 2012 I delivered it to families and survivors in two extensive presentations, neither of which were filmed - nor were they recorded. David Cameron was then Prime Minister. It fell to him to make the now well documented double apology to families and survivors in the House of Commons. The families, their loved ones and the survivors were vindicated.

After the report’s publication, it was the High Court that quashed the accidental death inquest verdicts, ordering new inquests. As Home Secretary at the time, Theresa May had no option but to initiate a new criminal investigation and a full review by the Independent Police Complaints Commission. Four years on, these most expensive investigations in legal history, employing hundreds of full-time officers, have still to conclude.

Following a year of preliminary hearings, the longest-ever inquests ran for two full years, concluding in late April 2016. Their inception, process and outcome had nothing to do with Theresa May. The jury’s verdict was unequivocal. The 96 had been unlawfully killed, the authorities involved particularly the South Yorkshire Police were condemned in 25 severe criticisms. The fans, so long vilified in the media and by politicians, were vindicated.

Establishing the truth of Hillsborough, both in the Panel’s work and via the inquests, was the result of years of painstaking research and investigation. It was conducted often against the odds, in a climate hostile to the truth, bringing threats and disdain to those of us involved. No people know that better than the bereaved families, the survivors and all who have worked throughout to reverse the injustices of Hillsborough.
To witness a Prime Minister, her ego possibly inflated by extraordinary recent events in the United States, claiming that she ensured justice for families is, at best, delusional. At worst it is a culpable untruth, perhaps uttered in the heat of the moment, to gain traction at a time when her integrity already is under scrutiny.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #10 on: February 2, 2017, 09:26:00 am »
Words fail me, totally ignorant & totally arrogant. :butt

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/theresa-just-took-credit-hillsborough-12540176

"Theresa May just took credit for Hillsborough justice and people are FURIOUS"


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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #11 on: February 2, 2017, 09:27:41 am »
"And I ensured justice for the families of Hillsborough". Prime Minister, House of Commons, 1 February 2017.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #12 on: February 2, 2017, 09:42:43 am »
Pure and utter filth. Using the 96 to score points. Congratulations you dirty rat
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #13 on: February 2, 2017, 09:49:01 am »
shame as kind of had some respect for Theresa certainly ovver some of her other Tory peers past and present.   But she has spectacularly scored an own goal here through her self importance and staggering short sightedness.

Insult to families and survivors and campaigners.   The good ol British Government eh? what would we do without them?
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #14 on: February 2, 2017, 09:50:17 am »
truth no longer matter

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #15 on: February 2, 2017, 09:54:16 am »
Despicable, but in today's weird and warped world, unsurprising.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #16 on: February 2, 2017, 09:59:17 am »
Well said Phil.
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #17 on: February 2, 2017, 10:03:56 am »
In her mind she could have closed it all down at any time, so as far as she is concerned she did "ensure" justice.  Never mind that it would have been morally reprehensible to do so...  :butt

And what justice??  I don't see anybody in jail yet.  THAT will be fucking justice.
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #18 on: February 2, 2017, 10:27:09 am »
The context was she was trying to bat away Corbyn with a list of her Government's achievements. Strangely enough economic suicide and the rise of racism did not make the final cut, so she was scraping the barrel.

Of course, on the positive side, when the CPS announce their charging decisions, and if they are not as thorough as we would like, we now have the perfect quote to throw back in her face.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #19 on: February 2, 2017, 12:18:24 pm »
Its a slur, another Slur, simple as that, She obviously did not consider where and to whom this would cause offense when she tried to score illegitimate points against the opposing party. Does she really think she or the tory pigs are eligible for, and deserving of positive recognition for any part what so ever in the families, securing justice?. She knows they deserve non, but as it had to  happen and could no longer be swept under the carpet when she was in office, she may as well disparage the Labour party with it. But her stupidity has only served to disparage the Families, survivors and campaigners.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #20 on: February 2, 2017, 12:38:38 pm »
Nothing surprises me about politicians any more.
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #22 on: February 2, 2017, 02:10:01 pm »
This has now been tweeted in part ... so here's the full text:

Prime Minister, Hillsborough and ‘post-truth’

“And I ensured justice for the families of Hillsborough”.
This was the remarkable claim made by Prime Minister Theresa May in the House of Commons today. It is clear that we now live in a political climate where ‘truth’ no longer matters; where reality can be reconstructed to suit the selfish interests of those whose disingenuous claims become accepted facts simply because they are made.

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The research was located in my university and I was principal author of the Panel’s 398 page, twelve chapter, report. On 12 September 2012 I delivered it to families and survivors in two extensive presentations, neither of which were filmed - nor were they recorded. David Cameron was then Prime Minister. It fell to him to make the now well documented double apology to families and survivors in the House of Commons. The families, their loved ones and the survivors were vindicated.

After the report’s publication, it was the High Court that quashed the accidental death inquest verdicts, ordering new inquests. As Home Secretary at the time, Theresa May had no option but to initiate a new criminal investigation and a full review by the Independent Police Complaints Commission. Four years on, these most expensive investigations in legal history, employing hundreds of full-time officers, have still to conclude.

Following a year of preliminary hearings, the longest-ever inquests ran for two full years, concluding in late April 2016. Their inception, process and outcome had nothing to do with Theresa May. The jury’s verdict was unequivocal. The 96 had been unlawfully killed, the authorities involved particularly the South Yorkshire Police were condemned in 25 severe criticisms. The fans, so long vilified in the media and by politicians, were vindicated.

Establishing the truth of Hillsborough, both in the Panel’s work and via the inquests, was the result of years of painstaking research and investigation. It was conducted often against the odds, in a climate hostile to the truth, bringing threats and disdain to those of us involved. No people know that better than the bereaved families, the survivors and all who have worked throughout to reverse the injustices of Hillsborough.
To witness a Prime Minister, her ego possibly inflated by extraordinary recent events in the United States, claiming that she ensured justice for families is, at best, delusional. At worst it is a culpable untruth, perhaps uttered in the heat of the moment, to gain traction at a time when her integrity already is under scrutiny.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #23 on: February 2, 2017, 02:21:27 pm »
That's shocking. Well, in relative terms in today's world, it's apparently called 'Alternative Facts'.

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« Reply #24 on: February 2, 2017, 03:31:10 pm »
Of course, on the positive side, when the CPS announce their charging decisions, and if they are not as thorough as we would like, we now have the perfect quote to throw back in her face.

I think another positive is that for the first time, there are conservatives actively wanting and being proud to side with the 96. That's something I genuinely doubted would ever happen. The very fact that a Tory Prime Minister is wanting to be seen as part of the fight for justice is surely better than her predecessors disgustingly odious comments about the "black cat that isn't there" (especially as he probably knew where the cat was and what it's name is).
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #25 on: February 2, 2017, 06:02:36 pm »
Brilliant response Phil.
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #26 on: February 2, 2017, 06:07:03 pm »
Theresa may is a dickhead

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #27 on: February 2, 2017, 06:12:00 pm »
Does this mean she has also personally ensured that the Orgreave campaigners have been denied justice.
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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #28 on: February 2, 2017, 07:10:03 pm »
Really Theresa? Not like you fucking dogshite party were complicit in the cover up.

Justice? Are you personally ensuring all the 'establishment' involved that day are going to have a face a jury?

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #29 on: February 2, 2017, 07:18:06 pm »
Is she also going to ensure that those responsible are prosecuted?

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #30 on: February 2, 2017, 07:30:21 pm »
Fantastic reply Prof Scraton.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #31 on: February 2, 2017, 09:05:29 pm »
Screamed at the telly when I saw this exchange.  It is indeed very Trumpian - spout some more shite before anyone has a chance to pick you up on the last lot of shite you just delivered.

Apart from the Echo, I think only the Mirror picked up on it.

To dismantle these lies properly requires focus and attention to detail.  Sadly (and in stark contrast to the work of Prof Scraton and the Hillsborough campaigners), both our media and Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition seem to lack the appetite and aptitude to be able to do this in a consistent and sustained fashion.

 

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« Reply #32 on: February 2, 2017, 09:34:50 pm »
Fake news from TM.

Both Labour and the Tories have nothing but shame on them for their part in the cover up.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #33 on: February 2, 2017, 09:35:43 pm »
Twatting c*nt

Fantastic response from Phil though.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #34 on: February 2, 2017, 09:36:35 pm »
At least some of the rags have ran it as a story - she should be fucking ashamed.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #35 on: February 2, 2017, 10:33:36 pm »
I despise the woman, spineless, grandstanding and incompetent. fuck off!

"Theresa May just took credit for Hillsborough justice and people are FURIOUS"


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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #36 on: February 2, 2017, 11:37:06 pm »
Fuck her the Attila the Hen wannabe. Nothing in her or her party's policies is about equality or justice.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #37 on: February 3, 2017, 07:48:00 am »
Couldn't believe it when i read it too,absolutely staggering.

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #38 on: February 3, 2017, 08:22:43 am »
Theresa may is a dickhead
female prime minister being a dickhead especially over Hillsborough

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Re: Theresa May and Truth
« Reply #39 on: February 3, 2017, 07:35:57 pm »
The PM's claim was despicable, devoid of dignity and bereft of honesty. It was an inappropriate opportunity to use such a highly emotive subject to point-score among a venal group, in an entire chamber that should be ashamed of itself over what the families & survivors went through.

It was a snide, covetous act conducted by person distanced from reality.

So, well done for that brilliant response Phil Scraton.