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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2960 on: January 4, 2019, 12:50:46 AM »
Yep. He's protected Gomez on numerous occasions this season. And is good at tracking his own runners in too.

As Klopp says, in England people praise the guy putting in the last ditch desperate tackles as good defending. But the good stuff TAA does gets largely ignored because he's good technically so probably can't concentrate. Then when we need a scapegoat, who better than the young lanky fullback who plays hollywood balls, the git

Spot on, he's only going to get better and his attitude is fucking excellent

I don't even think he had a bad game tonight so i'm quite puzzled about the questioning of his ability. My biggest take away from the game for Trent was, what a fucking ball for Firminos goal

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2961 on: January 4, 2019, 12:50:54 AM »
Such a weird game for these critics to desperately rush out of the woodwork though. It's not like he played badly.

But even if he somehow put in a terrible performance, you have to be extremely reactionary to suddenly think "well, he can't defend" based on one game per season. It'd be like Ferguson watching peak Vidic in games against Torres and shipping him out because he 'looks weak mentally' or whatever meaningless euphemism people use to criticise him.

Some people are just weirdly dubious about talented footballers.

Its bonkers

To be a great though, you need to be at your best every single game. Gerrard, Fowler, Owen, McManaman and Carragher always were. They never had any bad/average games, especially when they were 19/20.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2962 on: January 4, 2019, 12:59:03 AM »
Its bonkers

To be a great though, you need to be at your best every single game. Gerrard, Fowler, Owen, McManaman and Carragher always were. They never had any bad/average games, especially when they were 19/20.

Haha it's funny you say that. Just saw a shout that TAA needs more of Carra's attitude. Guessing that poster doesn't know what his attitude was like as a twenty year old, wasn't exactly a model student off the pitch :D Or how unpopular he was with our less patient fans.

Maybe that should encourage some to appreciate what we have, and recognise how good he is currently, not to mention his potential, when compared with our fullbacks we've had that age.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2963 on: January 4, 2019, 01:04:50 AM »
No we don't. Ignorance is voluntary.

Had a nice smile at that. Thanks.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2964 on: January 4, 2019, 01:05:11 AM »
Haha it's funny you say that. Just saw a shout that TAA needs more of Carra's attitude. Guessing that poster doesn't know what his attitude was like as a twenty year old, wasn't exactly a model student off the pitch :D Or how unpopular he was with our less patient fans.

Maybe that should encourage some to appreciate what we have, and recognise how good he is currently, not to mention his potential, when compared with our fullbacks we've had that age.

Probably has a lot to do with how much access we have to games. Back in the day we had a game on the Saturday or Sunday, saw a replay on MOTD and that was pretty much it. Now itís all microanalysis.

Youngsters are inconsistent, fuck even Messi was. It actually hurts my brain to see people saying we might need to look at improving on TAA at RB.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2965 on: January 4, 2019, 01:25:24 AM »
Probably has a lot to do with how much access we have to games. Back in the day we had a game on the Saturday or Sunday, saw a replay on MOTD and that was pretty much it. Now itís all microanalysis.

Youngsters are inconsistent, fuck even Messi was. It actually hurts my brain to see people saying we might need to look at improving on TAA at RB.

I hope itís not me hurting ya brain there, lad? Iím just saying we need to deal with him being targeted, whether that be him on a personal performance level or our defense as a collective. I wasnít the one suggesting he be replaced either, I really couldnít honestly think of anyone that could off the top of my head, atleast not without an element of risk that we were actually downgrading. Still doesnít mean the lad canít improve and surely suggestion of that shouldnít cause any harm to anyone.


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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2966 on: January 4, 2019, 01:28:01 AM »
I hope itís not me hurting ya brain there, lad? Iím just saying we need to deal with him being targeted, whether that be him on a personal performance level or our defense as a collective. I wasnít the one suggesting he be replaced either, I really couldnít honestly think of anyone that could off the top of my head, atleast not without an element of risk that we were actually downgrading. Still doesnít mean the lad canít improve and surely suggestion of that shouldnít cause any harm to anyone.

Not to try and close down this valuable Ďdebateí youíre having....but our defence seems to have coped alright so far  :)
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2967 on: January 4, 2019, 01:36:40 AM »
I hope itís not me hurting ya brain there, lad? Iím just saying we need to deal with him being targeted, whether that be him on a personal performance level or our defense as a collective. I wasnít the one suggesting he be replaced either, I really couldnít honestly think of anyone that could off the top of my head, atleast not without an element of risk that we were actually downgrading. Still doesnít mean the lad canít improve and surely suggestion of that shouldnít cause any harm to anyone.



Seems to do fine when he's been targeted this season. Trusted by the team and manager to defend, sometimes 1 v 2, on the flank we leave with less support too. Decent defensive record to show for it too.

Seemed to do a good job when being targeted, with even less protection, by City in one of our biggest games last season too.

The improvements required on tonight are in the way the midfield contributes when defending, how it deals with pressure, and how it retains possession. TAA was more often being looked at to try to find solutions to these problems (by our experienced centre halves and midfielders), rather than the problem itself

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2968 on: January 4, 2019, 08:28:41 AM »
Given his young age, it seems odd that he does not look to be very energetic. He seldom sprints to cover the runner or recover his position once he got dribbled by. He usually just moves slowly or stand still to watch the play go on. It happened before the first goal and a few times in previous games. He surely need to improve on that and some other defensive skills.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2969 on: January 4, 2019, 09:18:42 AM »
Lost all his battles in the air. Given he is now 6ī1 or something and still rising you would expect him to win some. Its probably about timing now, Arnold is a great athlete, Im here to ask Klopp to be Trents heading coach like he did with that throw-inns coach. If Dirk Kuyt had Arnolds height and atheticism he would head home galore.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2970 on: January 4, 2019, 09:28:34 AM »
Lost all his battles in the air. Given he is now 6ī1 or something and still rising you would expect him to win some. Its probably about timing now, Arnold is a great athlete, Im here to ask Klopp to be Trents heading coach like he did with that throw-inns coach. If Dirk Kuyt had Arnolds height and atheticism he would head home galore.

Heís 5 foot 9

Kuyt is 6 foot

Apart from that everything else is....um
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2971 on: January 4, 2019, 09:48:20 AM »
So, so far since last night, heís got a poor mentality, lacks energy, canít head a ball and should be replaced by Matt Doherty...

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2972 on: January 4, 2019, 09:51:12 AM »
Heís 5 foot 9

Kuyt is 6 foot

Apart from that everything else is....um
Maybe its his hair cut lol! Or your wiki from 3 years ago. Arnold, if not taller than Kuyt, has definitely more athetic body frame to jump higher and win some air duels. Even Robertson is winning more ffs. I agree with you anyway, Trent is young with all aspects of his game to improve. I love him.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2973 on: January 4, 2019, 10:52:03 AM »
So, so far since last night, heís got a poor mentality, lacks energy, canít head a ball and should be replaced by Matt Doherty...

The poor lad attracts the weirdos

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2974 on: January 4, 2019, 10:54:51 AM »
I agree with you anyway, Trent is young with all aspects of his game to improve. I love him.

Letís stick with that, because everything else you wrote was utter tosh again  ;D
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2975 on: January 4, 2019, 12:30:57 PM »
Letís stick with that, because everything else you wrote was utter tosh again  ;D

Again - the guy named Stan Fabinho Fan Club - who doesn't rate Stan Fabinho - is once more talking complete shit? Never!

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2976 on: January 4, 2019, 01:29:58 PM »
Letís stick with that, because everything else you wrote was utter tosh again  ;D
You are wrong mate and I bet my bottom dollar TAA is taller than Kuyt now. And will be even more. The main point was we cant aford our fullbacks loosing headers like that.

I want Arnold closing on the far post and pu.t some headers/wolleys in. He is a natural goalscorer.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2977 on: January 4, 2019, 02:54:13 PM »
The guy dribbles past a player, plays a 25-35 yard cross-field pass with his weaker foot to effectively set up our goal. Very few footballers can do that. He is amazing.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2978 on: January 4, 2019, 03:43:00 PM »
The question is: Is TAA going to end his career playing Right Back?

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2979 on: January 4, 2019, 03:46:35 PM »
The guy dribbles past a player, plays a 25-35 yard cross-field pass with his weaker foot to effectively set up our goal. Very few footballers can do that. He is amazing.

He was something quite special.

But last night wasn't his best game in terms of keeping possession of the ball or defending.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2980 on: January 4, 2019, 03:47:45 PM »
Lost all his battles in the air. Given he is now 6ī1 or something and still rising you would expect him to win some. Its probably about timing now, Arnold is a great athlete, Im here to ask Klopp to be Trents heading coach like he did with that throw-inns coach. If Dirk Kuyt had Arnolds height and atheticism he would head home galore.

Why are we comparing Kuyt to TAA by the way?

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2981 on: January 4, 2019, 04:28:14 PM »
Noticed Trent in the 2nd half having a god awful 5-10 mins where he couldn't find a player followed by an exceptional 5-10 minutes where I think he was probably the best player on the pitch and we started to shift momentum in our favour and get that equalizer with some of his passing and forward play....

He stood up and took risks

he's young and can be inconsistent but he's still learning. Have all the time in the world for this lad to develop into the monster player he will become
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2982 on: January 4, 2019, 04:37:02 PM »
I want Arnold closing on the far post and pu.t some headers/wolleys in. He is a natural goalscorer.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2983 on: January 4, 2019, 06:17:05 PM »
No we don't. Ignorance is voluntary.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2984 on: January 5, 2019, 01:08:54 AM »
I have no issue with his defensive play last night, yes he got done a couple of times by Sane but I doubt there are many PL RB's who wont have been by the end of the season. My only issue with AA last night was he seemed to be yielding possession more frequently than usual and awesome cross field pass to Robertson aside I felt his passing was off most of the game, although he was not the only one. As many have already said though, at 20, its a minor thing that I'm sure experience and training with this group will improve no end.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2985 on: January 5, 2019, 01:46:12 AM »
I have no issue with his defensive play last night, yes he got done a couple of times by Sane but I doubt there are many PL RB's who wont have been by the end of the season. My only issue with AA last night was he seemed to be yielding possession more frequently than usual and awesome cross field pass to Robertson aside I felt his passing was off most of the game, although he was not the only one. As many have already said though, at 20, its a minor thing that I'm sure experience and training with this group will improve no end.

Played a great ball in to Salah for the Mane chance. Also he's between 1.75 and 1.8 metres according to most sites. He's nowhere near 6'1, this keeps getting said every few months and it's patently untrue.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2986 on: January 5, 2019, 02:58:16 AM »
FB with attacking ability is so important in modern day football, that's why Trent is such a valuable player over Clyne.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2987 on: January 7, 2019, 11:18:39 PM »
Nice to see his future replacement in action for Wolves ;D
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2988 on: January 10, 2019, 10:31:18 AM »
The question is: Is TAA going to end his career playing Right Back?
Why not?

He's an excellent fullback and will only get better. I really like that he's good at every aspect of the game, similar to Robertson on the other side. Don't think he's weak defensively, even if it is the attacking game that really stands out. Can he improve? Of course, but you could obviously say that about any 20-year old defender. It's very, very rare that players that young have his consistency and ability already.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2989 on: January 10, 2019, 11:16:45 AM »
Our fullbacks are playmakers- and very few teams have fullbacks like ours. Trent will continue in the fullback position, and together with Andy, will change how fullbacks are viewed in the modern game.

Kids will grow up wanting to be like Trent or Robbo- the best fullback playmakers in the world

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2990 on: January 10, 2019, 02:38:07 PM »
The question is: Is TAA going to end his career playing Right Back?
it's honestly a bit tiring to still be on for trying to convert him from RB to anywhere. Its all well and so that there are fullbacks like Clyne, solid defensively but with absolute zero end product/contribution in the final third, but top teams today generally have a boss fullback to cause problems at the opponent's goal. Real Madrid have won 4 European Cups with Marcelo and Carvajal, none of them are like Clyne and instead much more so like TAA.

The other 2 that have won it this decade who are not Chelsea? Barcelona (with Jordi Alba and Dani Alves/then Semedo) and Bayern with Lahm and Alaba. Again, all very very good at attacking (maybe except semedo, admittedly haven't seen much from him).

Please, to everyone that whishes TAA in midfield: give it a rest.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2991 on: January 10, 2019, 03:33:39 PM »
Please, to everyone that whishes TAA in midfield: give it a rest.
Klopp used him there towards the end of last season, so it suggests he's being considered for a future midfield role.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2992 on: January 10, 2019, 03:41:44 PM »
Klopp used him there towards the end of last season, so it suggests he's being considered for a future midfield role.
if 2020 comes and Klopp has used him more than 5 times in total as midfielder, I'll eat my words.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2993 on: January 10, 2019, 04:48:53 PM »
Klopp used him there towards the end of last season, so it suggests he's being considered for a future midfield role.
it suggested that we had roughly 2 fit midfielders at that point

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2994 on: January 10, 2019, 05:51:33 PM »
Our fullbacks are playmakers- and very few teams have fullbacks like ours. Trent will continue in the fullback position, and together with Andy, will change how fullbacks are viewed in the modern game.

Kids will grow up wanting to be like Trent or Robbo- the best fullback playmakers in the world

Robbo is brilliant going forwards, but you can't usually give him the ball and say 'make shit happen'. If somebody else has the opportunity to create something, Robbo will always make the run to enable it, he'll supplement that creator, play the accurate final ball, make the right decision etc. And he'll do it very well, to a standard better than (nearly?) every fullback in the league.

Trent, you can give the ball anywhere and he will make that shit happen of his own accord. He'll cut inside and play a 40 yard chip to the edge of the 6 yard box, with his weaker foot. He'll bypass the midfield press and find you in acres of space, or find your sprints in the channel. He'll pop free kicks in the top corner, he'll dribble around the press, he'll play 70 yard diagonals. 

Robertson is the prototypical fullback, but Trent's the true playmaker that you're referring to. Like Dani Alves and David Alaba, Trent is a CM/CAM playing fullback. Robbo is more like Abidal or Jordi Alba, 'merely' a fullback doing his job to the highest level. Just my opinion anyway

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2995 on: January 10, 2019, 07:27:37 PM »
Given his young age, it seems odd that he does not look to be very energetic. He seldom sprints to cover the runner or recover his position once he got dribbled by. He usually just moves slowly or stand still to watch the play go on. It happened before the first goal and a few times in previous games. He surely need to improve on that and some other defensive skills.

Bingo.

It's one of the reasons why I think he's simply not a natural defender, and probably never will be one.

Watch Clyne, Robertson, and even Moreno when they need to make a recovery run. They SPRINT back until they are in good position or the danger is gone. TAA jogs. I think that is a habit developed at a very early stage of development, and I think it's a difficult habit to either make or break.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2996 on: January 10, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »
So, so far since last night, heís got a poor mentality, lacks energy, canít head a ball and should be replaced by Matt Doherty...

And he's lied about his height.....

And if he is 1.8 metres that works out at 70.9 inches so nearly 5'11".

But if he is 1.75 metres he'll be two inches shorter at nearly 5'9".
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2997 on: January 11, 2019, 04:33:06 PM »
And he's lied about his height.....

And if he is 1.8 metres that works out at 70.9 inches so nearly 5'11".

But if he is 1.75 metres he'll be two inches shorter at nearly 5'9".

He's not, and will apparently never be, a natural defender either now as well.

I'm not sure I've seen as much nonsense spouted about a player as there's been in this thread.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2998 on: January 11, 2019, 04:33:59 PM »
He's not, and will apparently never be, a natural defender either now as well.

I'm not sure I've seen as much nonsense spouted about a player as there's been in this thread.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2999 on: January 12, 2019, 04:45:04 PM »
Absolutely fucking brilliant considering he was playing with one leg. His passing today was a joy.