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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2721 on: November 4, 2018, 07:55:57 PM »
Any case to finally move Trent from full back and play him in his actual best position of midfield?

I love this nonsense. He played his 'actual best position' less than at fullback at youth level as well you know. It's a complete myth based around a small quote from Ljinders a few years ago. Give it a rest.



I don't think Arsenal targeted him. They targeted the space in behind our back 4 and made them do suicide runs for 70 minutes then brought on Iwobi to pick on the most tired player which was Trent.

It obviously wasn't his best game but he learns fast but at the same time he isn't helped (and neither is Robbo but he's more mature so can get by) by not having a midfield to control the game.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2722 on: November 5, 2018, 07:41:59 PM »
I don’t mind you giving him some stick if that’s what you want to do.

It’s the idea that you’ll improve him - he’ll “grow and learn by it” I think you said - that made me laugh.

Like I said, the arrogance.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2723 on: November 6, 2018, 09:28:46 PM »
Never been the best defensively but even his forward play now is summed up with a little dink forward to nobody particularly.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2724 on: November 6, 2018, 09:35:50 PM »
If Clyne plays once he recovers from his illness, he really is opening the door for Clyne to win his spot back

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2725 on: November 6, 2018, 10:06:22 PM »
Been really poor this season. Its Gomez’s position for the forseeable future.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2726 on: November 6, 2018, 10:09:37 PM »
Been really poor this season. Its Gomez’s position for the forseeable future.

Rather play Gomez in his best position next to VVD. Why disrupt the potentially best CB partnership we've had in a long time?
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2727 on: November 6, 2018, 10:11:09 PM »
Rather play Gomez in his best position next to VVD. Why disrupt the potentially best CB partnership we've had in a long time?

Because Lovren is also good and Gomez is actually better going forward than Clyne. With more defensive solidity, maybe qe can be very attacking in misfield?

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2728 on: November 6, 2018, 10:59:00 PM »
Rather play Gomez in his best position next to VVD. Why disrupt the potentially best CB partnership we've had in a long time?


It's daft. Lovren is of course very good but we can be even more dominant on the ball with Joe and he's far better at playing through teams than everyone bar Virgil. I do think Trent needs a break from the team, his form hasn't been amazing but at the same time a lot of this comes back to the midfield. Because Mo is the striker in this team he invariably cheats (like Ronaldo did at Real) positionally which means Trent can end up pretty isolated if there isn't anyone making good angles for him to move up the pitch.

If he's fit I'd bring Clyne back in for the time being just to give the lad a break; that's despite me thinking Clyne does have a habit of playing us into trouble.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2729 on: November 6, 2018, 11:00:51 PM »
Been really poor this season. Its Gomez’s position for the forseeable future.

It's not easy coming into a season without a proper pre-season he's still very young he will get more consistent with time.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2730 on: November 7, 2018, 12:31:48 AM »
It's not easy coming into a season without a proper pre-season he's still very young he will get more consistent with time.

Of course he will and i love Trent, he is fantastic. But he is a young player and i still dont think going to the world cup did him any favours. He needs to sit out the next few weeks as physically he doesnt look right.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2731 on: November 7, 2018, 12:35:52 AM »
Of course he will and i love Trent, he is fantastic. But he is a young player and i still dont think going to the world cup did him any favours. He needs to sit out the next few weeks as physically he doesnt look right.

I don't think going to the WC did a number of our players any good to be honest. Which is why these extra interntional breaks are such a pain.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2732 on: November 7, 2018, 12:38:50 AM »
I don't think going to the WC did a number of our players any good to be honest. Which is why these extra interntional breaks are such a pain.

And people constantly wonder why we aren't at our best, totally oblivious to the world cup and the already intense fixtures we've had in the last two months. But hey who who needs context.

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« Reply #2733 on: November 7, 2018, 12:40:34 AM »
And people constantly wonder why we aren't at our best, totally oblivious to the world cup and the already intense fixtures we've had in the last two months. But hey who who needs context.

To be fair, compared to our rivals, we did well in terms of World Cup players. We had less than most of the sides.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2734 on: November 7, 2018, 04:38:02 AM »
Would moving Van to RCB along side him help

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2735 on: November 7, 2018, 04:42:25 AM »
There's nowt wrong with him. One of the best young full backs in Europe and part of a great defence. There'll be dips in form but its not like he's suddenly morphed into Titus Bramble. Klopp will manage his game time appropriately

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2736 on: November 7, 2018, 04:57:52 AM »
His crossing has been limited to non at all.Whether it is by design or poor form needs to improve drastically. Clyne should start the next game.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2737 on: November 7, 2018, 09:02:57 AM »
Just a bit of a dip, especially after being targeted against Arsenal. I'd rather see Clyne come back than move Gomez to right back, though, because Gomez is making a case for being a top class centre-back of the future right now.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2738 on: November 7, 2018, 09:04:49 AM »
Just a bit of a dip, especially after being targeted against Arsenal. I'd rather see Clyne come back than move Gomez to right back, though, because Gomez is making a case for being a top class centre-back of the future right now.

Trent would get his right back spot eventually. But Gomez is supreme 1 vs 1 right now and Lovren is pretty good. Gomez also attacks and passes better than Clyne.

Plus by having Gomez there we can some defensive stability which means that maybe our midfielders can be a bit more attacking.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2739 on: November 7, 2018, 09:05:20 AM »
Just a bit of a dip, especially after being targeted against Arsenal. I'd rather see Clyne come back than move Gomez to right back, though, because Gomez is making a case for being a top class centre-back of the future right now.

Agree with all of this.

It's a dip, he's only just 20 and has played nearly 60 games for us, it was bound to happen.

Plus moving Gomez over would be stupid, imo. He's playing as good as any CB in the league currently and deserves to continue to develop there.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2740 on: November 7, 2018, 10:05:58 AM »
Agree with all of this.

It's a dip, he's only just 20 and has played nearly 60 games for us, it was bound to happen.

Plus moving Gomez over would be stupid, imo. He's playing as good as any CB in the league currently and deserves to continue to develop there.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2741 on: November 7, 2018, 10:18:17 AM »
Agree with all of this.

It's a dip, he's only just 20 and has played nearly 60 games for us, it was bound to happen.

Plus moving Gomez over would be stupid, imo. He's playing as good as any CB in the league currently and deserves to continue to develop there.

Whether its Gomez or Clyne, it cannot be Trent playing there for a while. He isnt performing well at all.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2742 on: November 7, 2018, 10:19:59 AM »
Whether its Gomez or Clyne, it cannot be Trent playing there for a while. He isnt performing well at all.

Possibly not. I don't think he's the main issue in the side and wouldn't really have any problems allowing him to play himself through this though personally.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2743 on: November 7, 2018, 11:48:01 AM »
I am really starting to worry the cat is out of the bag regarding his lack of press resistance. We are seeing a recurring trend of him being pressed and hoofing it up the line into touch/to salah who is then crowded and loses it. I first noticed at Spurs last season. Then again this season. It was most glaring against Napoli. We have now seen it twice this week.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2744 on: November 7, 2018, 12:00:36 PM »
I am really starting to worry the cat is out of the bag regarding his lack of press resistance. We are seeing a recurring trend of him being pressed and hoofing it up the line into touch/to salah who is then crowded and loses it. I first noticed at Spurs last season. Then again this season. It was most glaring against Napoli. We have now seen it twice this week.

I think he's been struggling with a lack of options near him too. He used to play passes inside to a midfielder or someone dropping deep out the front 3, but that, so just tends to smash it down the line as you say
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2745 on: November 7, 2018, 12:24:58 PM »
no harm to take out of the firing line here and there

he has the undoubted ability to be in there week on week but the dangers with that as we have seen with others down the years is burn out early in their career

i shares others opinion that gomez needs to be centre back alongside van dijk for now. if Clyne is fit for sunday id play him, or if not then reluctantly switch gomez to right back and play either degsy or matip
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2746 on: November 7, 2018, 02:21:43 PM »
Think Clyne should be starting again, Trent has been below par recently.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2747 on: November 7, 2018, 04:55:42 PM »
I am really starting to worry the cat is out of the bag regarding his lack of press resistance. We are seeing a recurring trend of him being pressed and hoofing it up the line into touch/to salah who is then crowded and loses it. I first noticed at Spurs last season. Then again this season. It was most glaring against Napoli. We have now seen it twice this week.

The question arises, is this a fundamental problem with the player, a fundamental issues with the coaching, or is this actually an intended behaviour, as instructed by Klopp?

Having watched Trent come through from U18 level, the last thing I'd say about him is that he has a fundamental lack of press resistance.

My personal opinion is that we actually utilise our fullbacks awfully, playing them into situations where they have zero good options, having to either dribble inside or find a pass into the channel.

Our fullbacks are currently playing a non-role in Klopp's system, they are deep and narrow in the build up, playing at times almost where you'd expect a centre half to be, while being deep and wide in the final third, not being allowed to hold the width high and take on the full back, because instead Klopp wants his central midfielders high and narrow, literally in the offensive line at times, but also not allowed to sit narrow and become auxiliary midfielders a-la Pep as you would expect.

Their role currently, is to not give away chances for offensive transitions to the opposition in the build up, and not allow the opposition wingers behind them when we are trying to penetrate.

It's no surprise that two attacking, talented full backs, are playing poorly when expected to play with such limitations.



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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2748 on: November 7, 2018, 05:07:36 PM »
It would be unusual if a very young player that came into the first team didn't have a second season dip. Plus he didn't get a full summer off due to the WC.

I remember even Stevie G having this poor form shortly after coming into team, second season I'm sure.

I'm sure others can point to other youngsters who made their debut at 18 for us who had a short term blip. He'll be back better than ever if he is taken out for a spell.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2749 on: November 7, 2018, 05:25:00 PM »
Just part of growing up really. As a young defender with gaps the opposition will target them and it's then up to you to plug them with work on the training ground and in the video analysis room. There are plenty of ups and downs to come with Trent considering he has only been playing full back for a couple of years. Not really worried.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2750 on: November 7, 2018, 05:25:19 PM »
no harm to take out of the firing line here and there

he has the undoubted ability to be in there week on week but the dangers with that as we have seen with others down the years is burn out early in their career

i shares others opinion that gomez needs to be centre back alongside van dijk for now. if Clyne is fit for sunday id play him, or if not then reluctantly switch gomez to right back and play either degsy or matip

Clyne should be good for the weekend, he picked up an illness.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2751 on: November 7, 2018, 06:13:27 PM »
What about Fabinho at right back if TAA needs a rest?
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2752 on: November 7, 2018, 07:03:46 PM »
I don't think going to the WC did a number of our players any good to be honest. Which is why these extra interntional breaks are such a pain.

Pain? I would use much stronger language than that.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2753 on: November 7, 2018, 07:08:23 PM »
Been really poor this season. Its Gomez’s position for the forseeable future.

Eh ?

Fuck that Gomez is CB now deffo
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2754 on: November 7, 2018, 07:11:33 PM »
I am really starting to worry the cat is out of the bag regarding his lack of press resistance. We are seeing a recurring trend of him being pressed and hoofing it up the line into touch/to salah who is then crowded and loses it. I first noticed at Spurs last season. Then again this season. It was most glaring against Napoli. We have now seen it twice this week.

Despite my reluctance to be hard on a young player - particularly as he is far from alone in having a form dip - I think this is fair. The ‘fresh’ players hardly covered themselves in glory last night, but if Clyne is fit he deserves to start against Fulham. I see the argument for bringing Lovren back in and Gomez continuing at RB. However Clyne surely deserves a start?
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2755 on: November 7, 2018, 07:29:40 PM »
Pain? I would use much stronger language than that.

But seeing as how you’re a lady...

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2756 on: November 7, 2018, 08:41:49 PM »
Eh ?

Fuck that Gomez is CB now deffo

Who is playing right back?

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2757 on: November 7, 2018, 09:16:20 PM »
Who is playing right back?

Clyne. He's back fitness wise, he just got ill. He should be given the opportunity. I rather him than Gomez, Gomez needs to keep playing as CB consistently.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2758 on: November 7, 2018, 09:33:36 PM »
I am really starting to worry the cat is out of the bag regarding his lack of press resistance. We are seeing a recurring trend of him being pressed and hoofing it up the line into touch/to salah who is then crowded and loses it. I first noticed at Spurs last season. Then again this season. It was most glaring against Napoli. We have now seen it twice this week.

I think its still down to the shape. We aren't compact this season and when he does end up under pressure, there is almost never an out ball for him so he has to hoof it. That has not been helped with his positional play not being as good this season. He's been far too deep far too often, and some of that has to do with Mo going too central and leaving him alone to mind the entire flank so he has to be careful. I just feel Gomez is far better suited at that role at the minute. I still feel that a 4-2-3-1 where Salah starts central and trent has a different attacker ahead of him helping him would make his life easier and allow him to play with more freedom.

But to your point, given his age, he has had these little periods where he seems to shrink a bit and be too careful, which affects his performance. He's at his best when he plays with confidence and actually gets forward consistently because even though he's gotten better defensively, his biggest tool is still what he offers going forward, and if we dont see that side of him, then Clyne/Gomez might be better suited at RB.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #2759 on: November 7, 2018, 10:13:05 PM »
Young players are inconsistent. I am not worried about him at all. I am a little worried about who comes into give him a rest. I love Gomez at CB and want him to stay there. He is a victim of his own success as on current form he is at least our second best RB too.