Topic: Liverpool v Manchester United - Anfield

[cornelius]

Apparently Daley Blind has just started running to try and catch Sadio Mane when the game starts a week on Monday.

[Dubred]

They aren't going to come and play football, they'll try to do what Mourinho did with Chelsea at Anfield last time.

Of course they are.

Lets not pretend that Mourinho is any kind of tactical genius because he's not.....

He's going to get everyone behind the ball, try to rough us up by any means possible, pump the ball forward to Ibra at every opportunity, and hope we get so frustrated we make mistakes like we did against Chelsea 'that' season, and they can catch us offguard.

We'll boss this game in terms of possession.  There's no doubt about that.

And if we show the likes of the patience we did against Swansea, we'll get the chances and we'll put them away.

I know they have a different manager and some new players, but we fucking thrashed them on the field in the Europa last season, and I'm expecting more of the same.

[Eleven]

They aren't going to come and play football, they'll try to do what Mourinho did with Chelsea at Anfield last time.

I don't think Mourinho has the players to perfect the gameplan he had in that game.

This current United side don't have the workrate and organisation of a typical Mourinho side, they leave far to many spaces and are easy to break on the counter attack.

I think we will get plenty of chances to score and it's all about if we take them or not.

Conte set his Chelsea team up to defend deep and hit us on the break, they were 2-0 down after 30 minutes at their own ground.

If United come onto us we will expose them on the counter like Watford, Stoke and City did to them, with the pace and trickery we have in our team we can easily get in behind their back line.

[4pool]

Can't wait for this game. I'm feeling confident about this, but think it'll be a lot harder than some people are thinking. A win would be absolutely HUGE, and would send out a message to everyone. Come on you reds!!!

Ps. OP is awful. We have so many quality posters on this forum, so would have been nice to read one of their posts/insights for this game.

The Op is perfect.

We know them, they know us.

What more do you need to know? As pretty much anything else is already being discussed in this thread anyway.

[the_red_pill]

They have a couple of potential advantages over us.

First, although our defence has improved somewhat over recent seasons we're still leaking goals, and United still have arguably the best keeper in the league.  Plus they have the most defensive minded manager in the league.  They could prove stubborn to break down and dangerous in set pieces.

That said, they are a slow, ponderous side, lacking in guile.  However, it's United.  There'll be late challenges galore that will be missed or go unpunished; it will be a test of our side's temperament.

As such, this is not a game I feel comfortable advocating patience; United have practically patented the late, spawny win, and the longer the game goes on at 0-0 the more restless the crowd will become.

I'm confident we can outscore them, once we get the goal.  But we need to get the goal and get it early.   We also have to keep their diving shithouse players out of range of our area as much as possible and reduce the threat of their free kicks to hopeful, long distance punts.

There's no way this United side is coming from behind to beat us.  It will be a 3-1 rather than a 3-2 or 4-3 I think.

We've conceded 2 more goals than them in the league so the defensiveness, stubbornness and world-class keeper thing prove otherwise. Also, they've conceded one more than us in the League Cup even though we've played one more.

Defensively, they're in the same boat as us(City's conceded 7 in the league and Everton and Tottenham 5 and 3), but whereas we can make up for it(and have done so thusfar) with goals(we scored 6 more than them in the League Cup and 5 more in the League), they don't really have anything to take comfort in from a trip away to Anfield.

As another measure- Chelsea's conceded one more than them in the league.

[hansenite]

Milner another pen
Henderson at 18 yards
Mane bobbly one over the line at 9 yards
And a late exquisite dink from studge
Ibra gets one at some point giving them a bit of hope. Can't see us fixing that leak quite yet.

[4pool]

We gave up 5 goals in our first two league matches.

We've given up 5 goals in our last five league matches.

We're getting better.

Clean sheet next match, ta. 

[God's Left Peg]

Each to their own I guess mate. There's quite a while left for the game to begin, and for me personally, it's one of the biggest games as a LFC supporter so I enjoy the whole build-up for it. And like I said on my previous post, RAWK has some really good writers, where people like myself can learn a lot from .

The only thing that matters is the result. There is nothing about this game I can enjoy other than twatting these manc bastards and taking all 3 points. Only after that has happened will I relax.

[andy07]

The biggest game in the calendar, Scouse v Manc, remember few things as a 4 yr old but the absolute hatred of all things associated with Unarted is one of them.   This is a season defining game.

[Big Red Richie]

The biggest game in the calendar, Scouse v Manc, remember few things as a 4 yr old but the absolute hatred of all things associated with Unarted is one of them.   This is a season defining game.

I disagree.   Win, lose, or draw this one, I think we'll just go on another unbeaten run.

This game might be a pointer to the next ten games, but I certainly don't think it will be season defining.

Win, and we'll just keep rolling along.

Lose, and we'll just pick ourselves up, and go again.

[Red_Irishman]

Or how Utd will now need 5 goals to win the game.

"If they could just get one, here..."

[TheSpionKopNC]

Apparently Daley Blind has just started running to try and catch Sadio Mane when the game starts a week on Monday.

 

[Kashinoda]

They've started to play some good stuff, the Stoke result was a bit unlucky.

If a few of theirs decide to turn up it'll be a close one.

[Upinsmoke]

Ibrahimovic is a threat in the air and we aren't that good in that aspect. Especially if he pulls onto Clyne for example.

If they wanna park the bus then they will have to deal with the quick one twos down the side and this is where mane is particularly strong and could be an important factor for us, his pace over the first couple of yards is pretty much unmatched and his influence could be the difference.

At the end of the day they've got some good players that could win them the game but I don't believe individually or collectively  and especially collectively they are anything close to us.


I think the team is pretty obvious given all are fit and I know coutinho would of not had too much rest and done quite a bit of traveling but if we can get 65 quality minutes out of him and then we have great options on the bench that's probably the ideal scenario. I'd go for...


                        Karius
  Clyne     Matip    Lovren    Milner


                   Henderson
      Lallana                  Wijnaldum

Mane           Firmino      Coutinho

Bench: Mignolet, Klavan, Moreno, Can, Grujic, Origi, Sturridge


If Rooney plays that trio in midfield couldn't have it any easier, obviously Lallana had a problem at Swansea but hopefully he's fit, if not then Can could replace him and move Henderson in to Lallana's role.

That front three is so mobile and will cause there defence problems.         

[Red Beret]

We've conceded 2 more goals than them in the league so the defensiveness, stubbornness and world-class keeper thing prove otherwise. Also, they've conceded one more than us in the League Cup even though we've played one more.

Defensively, they're in the same boat as us(City's conceded 7 in the league and Everton and Tottenham 5 and 3), but whereas we can make up for it(and have done so thusfar) with goals(we scored 6 more than them in the League Cup and 5 more in the League), they don't really have anything to take comfort in from a trip away to Anfield.

As another measure- Chelsea's conceded one more than them in the league.

I take your points and they are all valid.  I was more referring to the context of history between ourselves and Manchester United matches.  As myself and others have said, many a match against us they have played utter shite and still spawned the win. 

And, regardless of stats, they DO still have arguably the best keeper in the league.  We have Migs - who worries us because we know what he's capable of - and and Karius - who worries us because we DON'T know what he's capable of. 

Our side and our new players have settled in much faster; United gives me the impression of a team still bedding in and getting to grips with what their new manager wants them to do, so there's no better time to play them. 

I don't believe they will stop us from scoring and I don't think they're capable of coming from behind to win this game.  But our weakness at set pieces makes us vulnerable to conceding a draw.  Our players have occasionally switched off and this is a match that could really punish them for doing that because it often seems our opponents only need one stupid chance to score.  I don't want us to gift that lot any points because of some stupid mistake.

[the_red_pill]

We gave up 5 goals in our first two league matches.

We've given up 5 goals in our last five league matches.

We're getting better.

Clean sheet next match, ta. 

I see many people are under the impression that defensively, we're a shambles compared to say United, City Chelsea. Then you just look at the teams United and Chelsea have played and compare the sort opposition that scored against them with ours. The only team that's defensively excellent is Spurs(I think many would agree though that Everton will fall away).

Opens up a brave new world!

[the_red_pill]

I take your points and they are all valid.  I was more referring to the context of history between ourselves and Manchester United matches.  As myself and others have said, many a match against us they have played utter shite and still spawned the win. 

And, regardless of stats, they DO still have arguably the best keeper in the league.  We have Migs - who worries us because we know what he's capable of - and and Karius - who worries us because we DON'T know what he's capable of. 

Our side and our new players have settled in much faster; United gives me the impression of a team still bedding in and getting to grips with what their new manager wants them to do, so there's no better time to play them. 

I don't believe they will stop us from scoring and I don't think they're capable of coming from behind to win this game.  But our weakness at set pieces makes us vulnerable to conceding a draw.  Our players have occasionally switched off and this is a match that could really punish them for doing that because it often seems our opponents only need one stupid chance to score.  I don't want us to gift that lot any points because of some stupid mistake.

I agree with your points mate. I should've said so and I apologize.
I just saw a pervasive "belief" that I certainly had been guilty of also and just thought I'd supply a little bit of fact and context to it.

I do agree with basically everything else you mentioned and yes- De Gea is of course world class. It's going to be tough as any match against United usually are(mostly the fact that we'll have to maintain our concentration throughout the match- and that can be taxing), but we'll prove to be too much for them in the end.

[Caston]

They've started to play some good stuff, the Stoke result was a bit unlucky.

If a few of theirs decide to turn up it'll be a close one.

Nah, they're shite.

[Solomon Grundy]

Nah, they're shite.

Even when these lot have been shite in the past, they still at times have managed to rock up to Anfield and spawn a victory. If our lads aren't on it and fully concentrated, they are capable of beating us on the night. We have to start well, do well midway through the game and end the game well.

[Red Beret]

I agree with your points mate. I should've said so and I apologize.
I just saw a pervasive "belief" that I certainly had been guilty of also and just thought I'd supply a little bit of fact and context to it.

I do agree with basically everything else you mentioned and yes- De Gea is of course world class. It's going to be tough as any match against United usually are(mostly the fact that we'll have to maintain our concentration throughout the match- and that can be taxing), but we'll prove to be too much for them in the end.

Yes indeed.  We have improved defensively and they have worsened, which puts us roughly about the same level.  Hopefully we prove to be ships that pass in the night as we continue to improve and they continue to deteriorate. 

I can't see this lot scoring two goals against us - certainly not from open play.  But De Gea is the commanding figure we need to break.  The Chelsea game is what gives me the confidence our players can knuckle down and contain these twats.

[buzzing]

They've started to play some good stuff, the Stoke result was a bit unlucky.

If a few of theirs decide to turn up it'll be a close one.

That

Get being confident but dont think it's going to be a walk in the park most seem to think it will. It's a manc game. Form goes out the windwo and all that

[cornishscouser92]

I wouldn't be surprised if the bellend refused to accept the scoreline and just kept stating how it was still nil nil.

You do realise Tyler is a Woking fan?!

[Solomon Grundy]

You do realise Tyler is a Woking fan?!

 The whole Martin Tyler thing is boring.

[alonsoisared]

Still a fucking week and a half to go, just want this game to kick off. 2 demoralising defeats at anfield in a row against these at times where we had been building up a head of steam. The Europa last 16 games were brilliant and we utterly outclassed them, we have improved further since then while they havent really gone anywhere so we are rightly favourites.

I fucking hate these, i really do. I hope we absolutely smash them under the anfield floodlights and lay down another marker.

[mikeb58]

The whole Martin Tyler thing is boring.

Agree, just another commentator to me, and to be honest can't be arsed one way or the other how he commentates on games other than ours.

When he does do ours he seems fairly impartial, to keep the casual/neutral fan interested it's his job to add a bit of spice and drama to games that may seem one sided.

If we where 3 nil down against the Mancs, he'd be praying for us to get one back to keep the game alive...and vice versa!

As for the game itself in simple terms, I think we have the ability to out score them, so can only a see a win of some sorts for us.

[Persephone]

Getting into the mood for this by watching the 09/10 game at Anfield.Torres and Ngog with the goals and Vidic with his usual red. In what was an awful season, that was a highlight.

We really had some wonderful players under Rafa, as well as some pretty below par ones. Could you imagine a peak Gerrard, Mascherano, Agger, Aurelio and Torres in a Klopp team?

[ZeusMetallica]

I'm secretly hoping Mourinho starts Shaw at left back as he's the weak link in that back 4 and leaves Blind on the bench because he's been decent for them at left back and has been great at their set pieces/corners.

[CrasherKid79]

Not a peep from the mancs I have the misfortune to see and talk to on a daily basis. None of their usual hilarious pre game 'bantz' .... stevie g slip ..... how many premier league medals has stevie got ... etc.

Think they are absolutely bricking it for the first time I can remember. They haven't even got the defence they don't buy success like the blue mancs and Chelsea after spunking so much.

[Lasardine]

Getting into the mood for this by watching the 09/10 game at Anfield.Torres and Ngog with the goals and Vidic with his usual red. In what was an awful season, that was a highlight.

We really had some wonderful players under Rafa, as well as some pretty below par ones. Could you imagine a peak Gerrard, Mascherano, Agger, Aurelio and Torres in a Klopp team?

Agger and Aurelio lol they wouldn't survive under Klopp. Mascherano would be perfect

[mikeb58]

Agger and Aurelio lol they wouldn't survive under Klopp. Mascherano would be perfect

As for Gerrard, possibly the perfect player for Klopp.

[SlowRap]

If Lallana doesn't make it I wouldn't be adverse to putting Can in his place, extra physicality to deal with elbows.

[Persephone]

Agger and Aurelio lol they wouldn't survive under Klopp. Mascherano would be perfect

Only because both were made of glass but in terms of ability, they would have been perfect.

[vinothmct]

If Lallana doesn't make it I wouldn't be adverse to putting Can in his place, extra physicality to deal with elbows.

Dont be surprised if grujic starts if lallana is injured

[the_red_pill]

Only because both were made of glass but in terms of ability, they would have been perfect.

When Klopp was explaining the role of a modern fullback- especially in our system, only one fullback came to mind: Aurelio.
We already dominated games, but with Aurelio- we were just impenetrable in midfield and it was a rare sight to see goals coming from his end of the pitch.

Soon as he got injured in that clash with Chelsea, we started letting in goals and were consequently knocked out. We were never the same ubermenschische side we had been with his pesence during those few months in 2008/2009. We were still good, but his worth both in midfield and defense was gone.

Imagine a player who wasn't there for half of the time, but when he came back, he gave you 2 for the price of 1.
Shame about the injuries and timing.

[hassinator]

Dont be surprised if grujic starts if lallana is injured

surprise package.  i'm into that.

i'd think, perhaps more likely, that hendo would push up into the lallana slot and handsome emre slot in as the six.

[hassinator]

When Klopp was explaining the role of a modern fullback- especially in our system, only one fullback came to mind: Aurelio.
We already dominated games, but with Aurelio- we were just impenetrable in midfield and it was a rare sight to see goals coming from his end of the pitch.

Soon as he got injured in that clash with Chelsea, we started letting in goals and were consequently knocked out. We were never the same ubermenschische side we had been with his pesence during those few months in 2008/2009. We were still good, but his worth both in midfield and defense was gone.

Shame about the injuries and timing.

hard to build around a player like fabio.  undoubtedly top quality; unfortunately likely to be injured by the water pressure in the shower.

[the_red_pill]

hard to build around a player like fabio.  undoubtedly top quality; unfortunately likely to be injured by the water pressure in the shower.

Yip- such a shame.

[rscanderlech]

surprise package.  i'm into that.

i'd think, perhaps more likely, that hendo would push up into the lallana slot and handsome emre slot in as the six.

I would much rather see Coutinho dropping into his role and Sturridge or Origi to make up the attacking numbers.

[vinothmct]

most of the posters here are overconfident i believe.

Mourinho say what about him. He knows how to setup team. Remember this is the man who stopped Barca whether he has that in him now , I dont know. Our players should know it wont be easy. Fans needs to be patient. I'm sure Jurgen will be taking care of this.

Come on you reds. If we can win this. It will setup a fantastic base for us to go for the title and also smash utd confidence. Somehow win this

[Phil M]

most of the posters here are overconfident i believe.

Lets smash this rich man Stoke.