Topic: Liverpool v Manchester United - Anfield

[Upinsmoke]

Stop focusing on the ref. Fuck the ref.

If we generate the atmosphere and the players play how they can and Klopp on the sideline then we give ourselves an incredible chance regardless of what kind of opposition.

We'll be right fucking at em and you can bet jurgen has been working his arse off drilling the lads who are off during the break. I can't fucking wait!

[Mighty Zeus]

Stop focusing on the ref. Fuck the ref.

I thought the FA gets refs to declare who they support at the beginning of the season so they don't get to ref those matches? I'd be surprised if that suddenly stops when it comes to us.

He's not going to be a problem. For all we know the man's a City fan, and besides we're quite a lot better than them at the moment and we're at home.

[alonsoisared]

I'm telling you.

Win this one, and let's all get aboard the party bus. No-one wants to dare think it, or say it out loud so I will.

Win this one, and we are 100% in this title race with Jurgen Klopp's tricky reds.

Edit: Even if we fall short, then top four is in range, and those magical Champions League nights are coming back. I believe in Klopp and these gang of fantastic lads.

we wont be in a title race whatever happens on monday night. Nobody is in a title race in October. Still such a long way to go and i agree winning would set down another marker but until its february/march its all about jostling for position and getting as many points as we can. Go 5 or 6 points behind city in october and we could end up overtaking them by christmas or finishing the season 20 points behind; its too early to tell.

[Hunts Cross]

Love how the Indy is spinning his appoint to the match as being a potential threat to Man United.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-manchester-united-news-anthony-taylor-a7356196.html

They are not spinning it. That is a verbatim quote from Hackett. Other papers quoted the same thing.

[alonsoisared]

Oh and of course in a family of united supporters the ref supports altrincham 

To be honest its no conspiracy and hes a professional at the end of the day. But why the fuck would the FA set themselves and more importantly their employee up for the shitstorm should something go wrong? The bloke needs a perfect performance or hes getting chasticed left right and centre and probably demoted to the non league for a bit. Unless altrincham are playing

[thisyearisouryear]

I am sorry but I don't understand this concern about a possible manc ref.
What the fuck can the ref possibly do when we would be 4-0 up in the first 20 minutes.

[mc_red22]

I thought the FA gets refs to declare who they support at the beginning of the season so they don't get to ref those matches? I'd be surprised if that suddenly stops when it comes to us.

He's not going to be a problem. For all we know the man's a City fan, and besides we're quite a lot better than them at the moment and we're at home.

He's actually an Altrincham fan. I'm more worried about him usually being a wank ref anyway than where he lives.

[the good half]

I'm telling you.

Win this one, and let's all get aboard the party bus. No-one wants to dare think it, or say it out loud so I will.

Win this one, and we are 100% in this title race with Jurgen Klopp's tricky reds.

Edit: Even if we fall short, then top four is in range, and those magical Champions League nights are coming back. I believe in Klopp and these gang of fantastic lads.

I'm with this guy.
Brendan's title tilt year I was buzzin' everywhere. In life.
I'm gonna be doing that until we are out of it for real. Till' then I'm havin some of this.
Not sayin we will by any emans, but while we are up around the top places and in the race...so am I.

I'm thinking Grand National; not The Derby.

[SC04OCT]

Be interesting to see how many times he will call a foul if we win the ball high up and are about to counter-press.

Oh ffs, I didn't think about this. That could become extremely frustrating.

[the good half]

Be interesting to see how many times he will call a foul if we win the ball high up and are about to counter-press.

That's gonna happen.
Whether you believe is blatant bias or not is up to you.

[SC04OCT]

That's gonna happen.
Whether you believe is blatant bias or not is up to you.

Hope the crowd really gets on the ref's back if that starts to happen.

[CraigDS]

Stop whining about the ref, it's more likely he'll just be shite like the rest of them rather than biased.

We should have enough to beat these even if they get some decisions going their way.

[the good half]

Stop whining about the ref, it's more likely he'll just be shite like the rest of them rather than biased.

We should have enough to beat these even if they get some decisions going their way.

Exactly.
The team should prepare for everything, then give them both barrels.

[Titi Camara]

Fuck the ref, we've got this guy!

[Jookie]

we wont be in a title race whatever happens on monday night. Nobody is in a title race in October. Still such a long way to go and i agree winning would set down another marker but until its february/march its all about jostling for position and getting as many points as we can. Go 5 or 6 points behind city in october and we could end up overtaking them by christmas or finishing the season 20 points behind; its too early to tell.

Agree with this.

You can be out the title race before Xmas if you are +10 points behind the leading pack. However, you can only really say you are involved in the title race proper if you are within 4-6 points of the leaders going into the last few months of the season.

There's a lot of our supporters that want to 'be in a title race' now. That the belief of being in the title race will lift the crowd and lift the team. I think there's a lot of people who are pining for how the title race felt in 2013/14. That exhilaration and anticipation of every game. However, at this stage of the season in 2013/14 no-one believed we were in the title race. Most people were still hoping for Top 4.

That feeling of being in a title race in 13/14 only really manifested itself after Xmas. By Xmas we'd lost 5 league games already. I think it was only around late Jan/ early Feb when we battered Everton and Arsenal that collectively people thought we'd have a chance of the title.  For me, it was the night we beat Fulham that I really believed it was possible. From that point onwards the excitement snowballed.

I suppose what I'm saying it's lets not get too caught up in whether we are in a title race or not. The season's too early to start making these types of bold statements. Let's just keep on winning and accumulating points and see where we are come January/February. Battering the Mancs in the 'North West Derby' would be a good addition to the start we've made to the season.

[King Klopp.]

Ffs some of you lot are worst than Everton fans.

Who gives a fuck who the ref is? Yeah, it's a weird appointment but you lot are acting like he's going to give them a penalty any time they get in our box and let their players away with punching our players in the face. At worst he'll give them 50/50s. Play well enough and the you take away any influence a ref can possible have. What's he going to do to harm us if we put three past the c*nts?

[SC04OCT]

It's all well and good to say that we should play so brilliantly that the refereeing doesn't matter, but if, like someone has mentioned already, the ref blows his whistle every time we win the ball high up the pitch via pressing, then that will have a detrimental effect on our momentum and it would suit United down to the ground.

A stop/start game is the last thing we need but a big bonus for United.

It would potentially also put our players off pressing as viciously, if they know it'll only result in a United free-kick, which basically supresses our biggest threat as a team.

I am quietly hoping that this referee appointment benefits us though. I mentioned earlier in the thread that it could actually mean the ref will be less likely to call soft things United's way, just to "prove" he is impartial and avoid a backlash in the Media the next day.

[King Klopp.]

It's all well and good to say that we should play so brilliantly that the refereeing doesn't matter, but if, like someone has mentioned already, the ref blows his whistle every time we win the ball high up the pitch via pressing,

Well that isn't going to happen is it?

[SC04OCT]

Anyway, as time goes on, I'm growing more confident of a win.

Yeah, Ibra is going to be a thorn in our side, and De Gea/Pogba will probably turn it on, knowing our luck, but how are United going to contain Sturridge/Lallana, Firmino, Coutinho and Mane?

Mane will either be coming up against a slow Blind or an unfit Shaw, so I'm expecting a lot of success down our right. Coutinho and Firmino will take the piss out of Bailly.

I can see Can having a great game and Henderson will keep things ticking over in the middle (I'm glad he's gotten that horrendous no-look back pass out of his system before this game, Jesus Christ).

I'm quietly confident that Matip will boss Ibra. Even think he may end up being our MOTM.

3-1 to us.

[AshLFC]

The fact is he's a fuckin manc so he shouldn't be refereeing the game end of. Regardless of who you may support. 

I would of expected someone at the FA to have the foresight to put some southerner in charge, that way there is no issue..........Oh no hang on, its the FA....

Anyway, I think we'll twat them. If we get going, there's no way they can live with us. 

[Dougle]

Hi, was wondering how this looks from a Utd perspective. Liverpool are the flavour of the month. Favourites and at home. Everyone loves Klopp ... today.

I think this is a great opportunity for them actually. Mourinho knows better than anyone how to muffle and blot out an oppositiion's attack. If they can defend properly then I think they can win. They are a huge side with some excellent individuals as well.
They can put pressure on us from set pieces. We have a novice goalie (assuming Karius plays) and right now our defensive mentality around set pieces is suspect. Throw in Ibra, Pogba, Smalling, Felleini (?), Bailli (?) ... big individuals.

Secondly they have pace, Martial, Rashford and Lingard allied to a very technically proficient dominating (tho' static) pivot at centre forward which could give them chances on the break.

So a very simple containment game, playing the percentages with set pieces and quick counter attacking would seem, to me, to be an obvious plan and well within Mourinho's capacity, indeed I think he would love to fart in the bath at Anfield, annoy the bejasus out of the locals and walk off with 3 points.

The possibility that we will be without Gini and Lallana could also upset our rhythm. I assume Lovren and Clyne will be fit.

I expect we will attempt to suffocate them and (hopefully) take our chances. As with all games the first goal is important but especially this one. I hope we are clinical (and cynical when necessary).

I would absolutely love any kind of a victory on Monday. I don't think Utd are going to have a better chance of doing us than this though. Give us another 3 months and hopefully the team will have steadied up at the back and then it is going to be very hard to beat us.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Who gives a fuck who the ref is? Yeah, it's a weird appointment but you lot are acting like he's going to give them a penalty any time they get in our box and let their players away with punching our players in the face. At worst he'll give them 50/50s. Play well enough and the you take away any influence a ref can possible have. What's he going to do to harm us if we put three past the c*nts?

There is no harm in pointing out the absolute incompetence of the refereeing association. Saying things like 'stop going on about it' is how corruption eventually happens. Things get ignored and people just bury their head in the sand.

It doesn't mean we are worried we aren't going to win.

If you don't like it, ignore it. I do wonder how the hell you get on in life.

[pyroparty]

There is no harm in pointing out the absolute incompetence of the refereeing association. Saying things like 'stop going on about it' is how corruption eventually happens. Things get ignored and people just bury their head in the sand.

It doesn't mean we are worried we aren't going to win.

If you don't like it, ignore it. I do wonder how the hell you get on in life.

Yep, he's kicking off in every thread, usually over something people haven't even said. He's a strange one. And worrying about the ref is completely valid anyway, penalty for a Masch foul outside the area, pen after about 2 mins for a Berbatov dive, battered them at Anfield until Halsey didnt like it and sent one of ours off, battered them still they get a dodgy pen etc etc etc, could list 10s of incidents.

[King Klopp.]

There is no harm in pointing out the absolute incompetence of the refereeing association. Saying things like 'stop going on about it' is how corruption eventually happens. Things get ignored and people just bury their head in the sand.

It doesn't mean we are worried we aren't going to win.

If you don't like it, ignore it. I do wonder how the hell you get on in life.

If you don't like the ref that has been appointed then ignore it.

See, easy this. Isn't it?

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Yep, he's kicking off in every thread, usually over something people haven't even said. He's a strange one. And worrying about the ref is completely valid anyway, penalty for a Masch foul outside the area, pen after about 2 mins for a Berbatov dive, battered them at Anfield until Halsey didnt like it and sent one of ours off, battered them still they get a dodgy pen etc etc etc, could list 10s of incidents.

The worst will always be Gomes' "foul" on Carrick when United were 2-0 down at home to Spurs. That single decision massively helped them to win the title.

Howard Webb was a fucking cheat, plain and simple, and a terrible referee to boot. I hate it when people like King Klopp act like referees don't matter.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

If you don't like the ref that has been appointed then ignore it.

See, easy this. Isn't it?

But I don't want to as it's relevant to this match. You whining in every thread about what people decide to talk about isn't, really, and it's bloody irritating.

[Doc Red]

Sometimes Anfield needs a dodgy ref to get the crowd going. Not that I think the atmosphere will be an issue....54,000, under the lights, "them", shitcoat making a tit of himself (that's a given), Klopp, our front four on the rampage....can't wait now.

Great point. Especially playing at home in an evening match, he's got one hell of an atmosphere to referee under.
The supporters might intimidate him enough to subconsiously favour the home team, or they get incited and raise the roof after some dodgy calls. Either way it's a win-win situation.

I can't remember too many blatant dodgy calls at Anfield. Last I can recall was the Chelsea blatant dive penalty conceded in Torres' debut.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

So ignore me then like you just told me to do to peoples posts which irritate me.

I'm sitting in a pub and decide to talk to someone about something.

That someone engages with me. The discussion about something continues smoothly with a few other someones

But there's this one regular who always jumps in and says "Stop talking about that something for fuck sake you someones, it doesn't matter!"

So I tell this regular if he doesn't like what he's hearing about something it might be best to either ignore it or take himself somewhere else for the time being.

The regular retorts by telling me that I should ignore him telling me to shut up about something.

I tell the regular fine. I'll carry on talking about something.

And I sit there and await the regular's childish, never-ending cycle of responses.

[SC04OCT]

Why are people on here so confrontational? I get people jumping down my throat all the time, and on some occasions, I get followed around the board and I see it happening to other people too. A lot of posters don't ever seem to want to talk about Liverpool, instead, they'd rather comment on what other people are saying and talk down on them or judge them. It's bizarre.

[ZeusMetallica]

We've played 5 out of the 7 games away from home* so far, right? That increased capacity could earn us a few extra points this season. And we've barely made any use of it yet. The new stand looks colossal.

[Dim Glas]

We've played 5 out of the 7 games away from so far, right? That increased capacity could earn us a few extra points this season. And we've barely made any use of it yet. The new stands looks colossal.

yup, and 7 out of 9, including the 2 cup games.

Be nice to get a run of a few home games now!

[SC04OCT]

We've played 5 out of the 7 games away from so far, right? That increased capacity could earn us a few extra points this season. And we've barely made any use of it yet. The new stands looks colossal.

Definitely. Worth noting that the 2 games we've played at home so far were 4-1 and 5-1 maulings.

[Henry Gale]

So, who's the ref then? 

[ZeusMetallica]

yup, and 7 out of 9, including the 2 cup games.

Be nice to get a run of a few home games now!

That's even more impressive then. And we've been away to Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs as well. Some tough fixtures out of the way already and these very sides will have to play us at our new 'strengthened' ground.

Klopp's hinted at the importance he places on atmosphere. Our 12th man, in theory at least, is bound to be a much better 'player' than it's been in years.


SC04OCT


Yep. But I'd take a few 1-0 wins as well.

[Doc Red]

So, who's the ref then? 

Apparently they'll be picking a fan off the KOP end to ref the game as long as he can confirm:
a) he has a post address
b)he interrupts conversation to confirm that he can be ignored
c) he routinely accomplishes (b) in order to confirm (a).

[Alex7]

The worst will always be Gomes' "foul" on Carrick when United were 2-0 down at home to Spurs. That single decision massively helped them to win the title.

Howard Webb was a fucking cheat, plain and simple, and a terrible referee to boot. I hate it when people like King Klopp act like referees don't matter.

To be fair to Howard Webb he has come out and said he got that one wrong and it haunted him as it had an influence on the title.

4-1 Liverpool.

[Qston]

What's all the fuss about the ref ? He doesn`t support them and will now have so much pressure on him not to show any bias towards united at all. Isn`t that a good thing ?

Just counting down the days. I detest the international break. I hope that our Brazilian contingent are fresh enough from their flights and exertions. Fingers crossed for Lallana as well although I suspect wijnaldum is going to be crocked for this one. I wonder what the set up will be if either are deffo out ? Is Can fit because if he is then I suspect he will take wijnaldum's place with perhaps Firmino, Coutinho, Sturridge and Mane starting together. We will need them anyway to break down the inevitable massive bus that will be parked.

[ZeusMetallica]

What's all the fuss about the ref ? He doesn`t support them and will now have so much pressure on him not to show any bias towards united at all. Isn`t that a good thing ?

Just counting down the days. I detest the international break. I hope that our Brazilian contingent are fresh enough from their flights and exertions. Fingers crossed for Lallana as well although I suspect wijnaldum is going to be crocked for this one. I wonder what the set up will be if either are deffo out ? Is Can fit because if he is then I suspect he will take wijnaldum's place with perhaps Firmino, Coutinho, Sturridge and Mane starting together. We will need them anyway to break down the inevitable massive bus that will be parked.

I think Emre is fit, and so is Lucas. In fact, this is the type of game he excels on. I have a hunch Klopp could start him, alongside Can and Henderson.

[Kekule]

I can't remember too many blatant dodgy calls at Anfield. Last I can recall was the Chelsea blatant dive penalty conceded in Torres' debut.

You must have missed the Mark Halsey shit show against this lot a couple of years back then? Johnny Evans goes in two footed, studs showing on Shelvey's shin who came in one footed from the side. Result: Shelvey off no action against Evans. Didn't work as we went 1-0 up at the start of the second half, he then proceeded to give everything to United for the next 40 minutes culminating in a late winning penalty for a dive by Valencia, when even in real time you could see him falling over before the tackle came in. I rarely remember who refs our games, but that performance was so astonishing it lodged in my brain.
 

[pyroparty]

You must have missed the Mark Halsey shit show against this lot a couple of years back then? Johnny Evans goes in two footed, studs showing on Shelvey's shin who came in one footed from the side. Result: Shelvey off no action against Evans. Didn't work as we went 1-0 up at the start of the second half, he then proceeded to give everything to United for the next 40 minutes culminating in a late winning penalty for a dive by Valencia, when even in real time you could see him falling over before the tackle came in. I rarely remember who refs our games, but that performance was so astonishing it lodged in my brain.

Yep, we were sensational that day aswell, battering them even with 10 but eventually we ran out of steam up against a referee who did absolutely everything in his power to make sure Man Utd won that game.