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How do we think the UK Will do - Assuming Brexit happens (Hard or Soft..)

Things will be brilliant from the word go and will get better every week!
Things will start off a bit dodgy, but over time things gradually improve and get better
Things will start off dodgy and remain that way for the forseeable future
Things will start off dodgy and then decline slightly with things getting a bit worse
Complete clusterfuck from start to finish

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #280 on: October 18, 2016, 06:48:50 pm »
Football Manager has included Hard and Soft Brexit options..
Doubt if it will effect Everton team much, their team has always had a problem with freedom of movement, standing still most of the time.
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« Reply #281 on: October 18, 2016, 07:30:31 pm »
Commons will get a vote on the deal. Will be interesting if they vote against it.
if it's a deal that fucks the economy many will find it hard to accept it

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« Reply #282 on: October 18, 2016, 07:48:07 pm »
if it's a deal that fucks the economy many will find it hard to accept it

Won't MPs who are against the deal be branded as "ENEMIES AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!"?

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« Reply #283 on: October 18, 2016, 07:53:36 pm »
if it's a deal that fucks the economy many will find it hard to accept it

If they say no then its likely to go straight to WTO unless the EU member states agree to an extension. Thus you would imagine they would say 'Yes' to a deal.

Interesting reading that Clinton and Obama are against free trade. So thats them and Europe likely to have tariffs to trade.

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #284 on: October 18, 2016, 08:50:38 pm »
Tesco boss: 'Food price inflation could be lethal for struggling millions'

Matt Davies points to damaging effect on economy, retailers, manufacturers and shoppers as data shows grocery deflation contracting

Tesco’s UK boss has warned that food price inflation could prove highly toxic for shoppers and lethal for those on a tight budget.

Matt Davies said: “Everybody should be very, very clear how damaging food inflation is to the economy, to retail businesses and manufacturing businesses and how lethal it could be for millions of people struggling to live from week to week.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/18/tesco-boss-food-price-inflation-lethal-struggling-millions-matt-davies

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« Reply #285 on: October 18, 2016, 09:05:09 pm »
Tesco boss: 'Food price inflation could be lethal for struggling millions'

Matt Davies points to damaging effect on economy, retailers, manufacturers and shoppers as data shows grocery deflation contracting

Tesco’s UK boss has warned that food price inflation could prove highly toxic for shoppers and lethal for those on a tight budget.

Matt Davies said: “Everybody should be very, very clear how damaging food inflation is to the economy, to retail businesses and manufacturing businesses and how lethal it could be for millions of people struggling to live from week to week.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/18/tesco-boss-food-price-inflation-lethal-struggling-millions-matt-davies
Obvious isn't it, yet before the EU referendum so called experts were saying if you haven't got much, then you haven't got much to loose, your best voting leave and vice versa.
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« Reply #286 on: October 18, 2016, 09:58:02 pm »
I found this recent report by the House of Commons Energy and Climate Change Committee to be very interesting given that touches quite about on the effect of Brexit on UK energy policy. It basically sums a lot of the things I had previously thought and I'm surprised the media haven't brought it up more, since it's pretty damaging given how interconnected the continent's energy supply lines are and how  dependent Britain is on energy from Europe.

Highlights include:

- If Brexit occurs, the government would have to consider whether to stay in the EU Emissions Trading System (ETS), since if it left the ETS it would have to either a) develop a politically difficult carbon tax, or b) create its own carbon trading system that is linked to the EU system

- Northern Ireland's energy situation would become even more complicated by Brexit.  Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland's electricity markets are operated under a single model. The gas systems are separately owned but linked. Northern Ireland is highly dependent on energy imports from Scotland (electricity and gas). Northern Ireland is projected to have an energy supply deficit from 2021. If Brexit occurs, the integrated market between the two states becomes even more complicated, because of impending increased integration and the Republic of Ireland side would be still subject to EU legislation. Thus, Northern Ireland may require a differentiated approach than the rest of Great Britain for electricity.

- The UK has been a net importer of energy since 2004. It has heavily reliant on electricity and gas imports from the EU. Last year, 6% of electricity and 42% of natural gas was imported. All electricity and 69% of gas came from the EU via interconnectors. Britain also has done little to add non-renewable generation capacity in the past decade, particularly gas and nuclear. If Brexit was to occur, investment in new facilities that could replace coal-fired plants may be hindered. Notably, the report states that "[p]lanned  plant  closures,  delays  to  new  nuclear,  sudden  reductions  in  renewable  energy  support and the failure of the Capacity Market to incentivise new gas had been recognised as serious threats to domestic electricity supply before the referendum." Bear in mind, last November, National Grid had to initiate emergency measures for the first time to avoid blackouts, although they claim they won't this year in part due to the odd combination of the return to the market of a coal-fired plant (that its owner wants to demolish and replace with natural gas) and a broken interconnector with Ireland, which will reduce exports.

- If Brexit was to occur, the report states that "whilst  the  UK  may  develop  bilateral  agreements,  its  voice may have less diplomatic weight alone than as part of the EU bloc. It could also result in the UK’s exclusion from the EU’s proposed ‘solidarity principle’, a policy designed to  ensure  that  Member  States  receive  immediate  assistance  in  the  event  of  a  gas  supply  crisis."  If Britain couldn't find a way to continue to participate in the 'solidarity principle', the report suggests that "the UK government must urgently investigate back-up arrangements to ensure security of supply in the event of a crisis."

- the UK currently receives substantial funding for energy infrastructure projects. For instance, it is the biggest recipient of the European Investment Bank (EIB)'s Climate Awareness Bonds and was the fourth largest recipient of Connecting Europe Facility funds, which were granted for infrastructure projects that benefit two EU member states. The Government could guarantee to underwrite the payment of awards from the EU's Horizon 2020 program that largely funds renewable energy projects. However certain projects such as those related to carbon capture and energy storage are exceptionally dependent on EU funds to progress, which would potentially require the government to commit to replacing EU funds, in order to guarantee their continuance.

- If Brexit were to occur, investor confidence in energy projects may be dented. The report notes that there has been suggestions of some energy projects being postponed due to the referendum. A sustained period of uncertainty would likely lead to the deferral of investment in critical infrastructure, which has ramifications of long-term security of supply.

Commons will get a vote on the deal. Will be interesting if they vote against it.

Common sense prevails. Would be interesting to see how many MPs are actually considered pro-Remain though. Parliament should still have a greater say in the entire process though

« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 10:03:36 pm by rafathegaffa83 »

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #287 on: October 18, 2016, 10:29:44 pm »
Its alright, the grand plan has finally been revealed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/british-tea-jam-and-biscuits-will-be-at-the-heart-of-britains-br/

British tea, jam and biscuits will be at the heart of Britain's Brexit trade plans

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« Reply #288 on: October 18, 2016, 11:02:18 pm »
Its alright, the grand plan has finally been revealed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/british-tea-jam-and-biscuits-will-be-at-the-heart-of-britains-br/

British tea, jam and biscuits will be at the heart of Britain's Brexit trade plans

Oh :lmao
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« Reply #289 on: October 18, 2016, 11:05:57 pm »
I found this recent report by the House of Commons Energy and Climate Change Committee to be very interesting given that touches quite about on the effect of Brexit on UK energy policy. It basically sums a lot of the things I had previously thought and I'm surprised the media haven't brought it up more, since it's pretty damaging given how interconnected the continent's energy supply lines are and how  dependent Britain is on energy from Europe.

Highlights include:

- If Brexit occurs, the government would have to consider whether to stay in the EU Emissions Trading System (ETS), since if it left the ETS it would have to either a) develop a politically difficult carbon tax, or b) create its own carbon trading system that is linked to the EU system

- Northern Ireland's energy situation would become even more complicated by Brexit.  Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland's electricity markets are operated under a single model. The gas systems are separately owned but linked. Northern Ireland is highly dependent on energy imports from Scotland (electricity and gas). Northern Ireland is projected to have an energy supply deficit from 2021. If Brexit occurs, the integrated market between the two states becomes even more complicated, because of impending increased integration and the Republic of Ireland side would be still subject to EU legislation. Thus, Northern Ireland may require a differentiated approach than the rest of Great Britain for electricity.

- The UK has been a net importer of energy since 2004. It has heavily reliant on electricity and gas imports from the EU. Last year, 6% of electricity and 42% of natural gas was imported. All electricity and 69% of gas came from the EU via interconnectors. Britain also has done little to add non-renewable generation capacity in the past decade, particularly gas and nuclear. If Brexit was to occur, investment in new facilities that could replace coal-fired plants may be hindered. Notably, the report states that "[p]lanned  plant  closures,  delays  to  new  nuclear,  sudden  reductions  in  renewable  energy  support and the failure of the Capacity Market to incentivise new gas had been recognised as serious threats to domestic electricity supply before the referendum." Bear in mind, last November, National Grid had to initiate emergency measures for the first time to avoid blackouts, although they claim they won't this year in part due to the odd combination of the return to the market of a coal-fired plant (that its owner wants to demolish and replace with natural gas) and a broken interconnector with Ireland, which will reduce exports.

- If Brexit was to occur, the report states that "whilst  the  UK  may  develop  bilateral  agreements,  its  voice may have less diplomatic weight alone than as part of the EU bloc. It could also result in the UK’s exclusion from the EU’s proposed ‘solidarity principle’, a policy designed to  ensure  that  Member  States  receive  immediate  assistance  in  the  event  of  a  gas  supply  crisis."  If Britain couldn't find a way to continue to participate in the 'solidarity principle', the report suggests that "the UK government must urgently investigate back-up arrangements to ensure security of supply in the event of a crisis."

- the UK currently receives substantial funding for energy infrastructure projects. For instance, it is the biggest recipient of the European Investment Bank (EIB)'s Climate Awareness Bonds and was the fourth largest recipient of Connecting Europe Facility funds, which were granted for infrastructure projects that benefit two EU member states. The Government could guarantee to underwrite the payment of awards from the EU's Horizon 2020 program that largely funds renewable energy projects. However certain projects such as those related to carbon capture and energy storage are exceptionally dependent on EU funds to progress, which would potentially require the government to commit to replacing EU funds, in order to guarantee their continuance.

- If Brexit were to occur, investor confidence in energy projects may be dented. The report notes that there has been suggestions of some energy projects being postponed due to the referendum. A sustained period of uncertainty would likely lead to the deferral of investment in critical infrastructure, which has ramifications of long-term security of supply.

Common sense prevails. Would be interesting to see how many MPs are actually considered pro-Remain though. Parliament should still have a greater say in the entire process though



Can see why no civil servant wanted to Brexit. 1 of a million issues to resolve. Will be fun to see how Theresa May keeps sane trying to solve all this in the isolationist, close the door and windows style she adopts.

As for the vote, its pointless. You either vote for a deal or you dont and get a hard brexit instead.

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Re: Brexit - What would those in power get out of it? The Fallout Thread..
« Reply #290 on: October 18, 2016, 11:40:39 pm »
Can see why no civil servant wanted to Brexit. 1 of a million issues to resolve. Will be fun to see how Theresa May keeps sane trying to solve all this in the isolationist, close the door and windows style she adopts.

As for the vote, its pointless. You either vote for a deal or you dont and get a hard brexit instead.
Not sure what you mean by not getting a hard Brexit instead.
The vote is very good news. before any vote is taken there will be many detailed questions and I doubt if any of the proposals stand up to serious scrutiny. fact is there is no deal that will make us better off.
The only honest proposal will be we leave the EU and the single market to stop immigration and we will pay a very heavy price for it.
The City wont come out of it very well. major manufacturers will relocate, the list goes on.that's  basically what it all boils down too.
IMO the argument won't be stopping Brexit it will be stopping the proposed deal. hopefully it will be come back when you have a better deal, this deal is unacceptable.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 11:49:19 pm by oldfordie »
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« Reply #291 on: October 18, 2016, 11:51:30 pm »
Not sure what you mean by not getting a hard Brexit instead.
The vote is very good news. before any vote is taken there will be many detailed questions and I doubt if any of the proposals stand up to serious scrutiny. fact is there is no deal that will make us better off.
The only honest proposal will be we leave the EU and the single market to stop immigration and we will pay a very heavy price for it.
The City wont come out of it very well. major manufacturers will relocate, the list goes on.that's basically what it all boils down too.
IMO the argument won't be stopping Brexit it will be stopping the proposed deal. hopefully it will be come back when you have a better deal, this deal is unacceptable.

If i am reading it correctly then the vote will be on the Brexit deal once it is ratified by the EU member states and by the UK government, which could be at the end of the 2 year process. If the parliament says no to that deal then the EU would have to agree to come back to the table to negotiate, which you imagine they would say no to. If they say no then surely we go to an extreme Brexit with no deal at all?

Anyway i think the government would be allowed to push through the deal if its in its best interest.
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« Reply #292 on: October 19, 2016, 12:14:02 am »
If i am reading it correctly then the vote will be on the Brexit deal once it is ratified by the EU member states and by the UK government, which could be at the end of the 2 year process. If the parliament says no to that deal then the EU would have to agree to come back to the table to negotiate, which you imagine they would say no to. If they say no then surely we go to an extreme Brexit with no deal at all?

Anyway i think the government would be allowed to push through the deal if its in its best interest.
Yes, the critical point is the Torys have the majority but the Tory MPs who abstain or vote against the deal will argue there not voting against Brexit, they are voting against a bad deal. that's my hope anyway.
It's all uncharted water as they say. it all depends on how things develop but if May does trigger article 50 then there is no time limit on a deal or a vote.
It's all a matter of opinion right now but in theory the 2 yr deadline can come and go but we carry on trading as we are till something is finalized.
I doubt if anyone knows how this will work out in the end, there is no compromise.
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« Reply #293 on: October 19, 2016, 04:03:30 am »
Yes, businessmen should stay out of politics... unless they are donating money to the Tory party in which case it's A O.K!

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« Reply #294 on: October 19, 2016, 08:34:12 am »
maybe some of those losing their jobs in other sectors could become workers at farms etc .....maybe the government should pay the extra to make sure their mortgages dont default.
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« Reply #295 on: October 19, 2016, 08:38:43 am »
maybe some of those losing their jobs in other sectors could become workers at farms etc .....maybe the government should pay the extra to make sure their mortgages dont default.

The Government is not going to pay extra for anything. If you thought austerity was bad before, they have holed our finances, there will be a big fuss made of replacing EU spending, whilst cutting the same money from other budgets. So the people of Cornwall will get their Development money, but probably have their local government grant slashed to pay for it.   

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« Reply #296 on: October 19, 2016, 10:51:01 am »
Its alright, the grand plan has finally been revealed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/british-tea-jam-and-biscuits-will-be-at-the-heart-of-britains-br/

British tea, jam and biscuits will be at the heart of Britain's Brexit trade plans

Oh :lmao

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« Reply #297 on: October 19, 2016, 11:22:05 am »
The Government is not going to pay extra for anything. If you thought austerity was bad before, they have holed our finances, there will be a big fuss made of replacing EU spending, whilst cutting the same money from other budgets. So the people of Cornwall will get their Development money, but probably have their local government grant slashed to pay for it.   

If I were a betting man, I would guess that the money to access the single market will come from the Foreign Aid Budget - something along the lines that the money will be specifically spent on helping the less developed parts of the EU like Romania and Bulgaria. That way the money is kind of being used for foreign aid, and kind of helping us access the single market.
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« Reply #298 on: October 19, 2016, 12:12:58 pm »
We will be fucked if the Diddymen go on strike at the Jam butty mine.

We'll be fucked if we're relying on the Diddymen for anything as they will likely be avoiding paying any tax...
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« Reply #299 on: October 19, 2016, 12:14:32 pm »
We'll be fucked if we're relying on the Diddymen for anything as they will likely be avoiding paying any tax...
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« Reply #300 on: October 19, 2016, 12:25:56 pm »
We will be fucked if the Diddymen go on strike at the Jam butty mine.

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« Reply #301 on: October 19, 2016, 01:40:00 pm »
Really good article on what's facing the British economy.....

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/

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« Reply #302 on: October 19, 2016, 02:19:12 pm »
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Theresa May given stark warning about leaving customs union

Exclusive: UK hard Brexit pullout risks big fall in GDP and trade gridlock at ports, cabinet committee told

Ministers warned that ports including Dover could be clogged up if there were customs checks on vehicles transporting goods. Photograph: Martin Godwin for the Guardian

Anushka Asthana, Rowena Mason and Owen Bowcott

Tuesday 18 October 2016 22.00 BST

Cabinet ministers have been given detailed warnings that the UK pulling out of the EU customs union could lead to a 4.5% fall in GDP by 2030 and the clogging up of trade through Britain’s ports.

The predictions were contained in a paper circulated at a meeting of Theresa May’s special Brexit cabinet committee, which concluded that ministers were not yet prepared to decide whether the UK should withdraw from the EU’s free trade bloc.

The 4.5% cut is the average prediction made in three studies that were carried out before Britain’s EU referendum, in a move that could anger Brexit supporting MPs who believe that the old estimates are out of date.

The studies, by the Treasury, the thinktank NIESR and the Centre for Economic Performance and London School of Economics, predicted the effect on the British economy if the UK was to opt for a Norway-style model. That would involve remaining inside the single market but outside the customs union, within which countries set common external tariffs and so do not require customs checks.

Although the international trade secretary, Liam Fox, called for the UK’s withdrawal at the meeting, the prime minister was said to repeatedly stress that she was not ready to make any final decisions on the UK’s negotiating position.

The chancellor, Philip Hammond, said – according to one well placed source – that while Brexit would require “political choices”, there would also be economic consequences that had to be considered.

The paper on the customs union also warned that to stand still in trade terms after a withdrawal from the bloc, the UK would need to grow trade with its 10 largest partners outside the EU by 37% by 2030.

It was one of three documents presented to ministers during the cabinet meeting. The second discussed options for the UK’s immigration policy after Brexit while the third examined the consequences of the country becoming directly subject to World Trade Organisation rules.

Ministers were also warned that some ports, including Dover and Holyhead, which handle a lot of road freight, could be seriously clogged up if there were customs checks on vehicles transporting goods.

The document said that extra infrastructure required, likely to include dozens of parking spaces for lorries undergoing checks, could not physically be built in Dover because of its cliffs.

Jonathan Roberts, head of communications at the UK Chamber of Shipping, told the Guardian that removal of customs controls in 1992 “stimulated huge growth” of trade between Britain and its EU neighbours.

He added: “Ł120bn of goods is transported on ferries to and from Dover alone every year, and the re-imposition of significant customs checks would cause profound traffic problems near ports and could ultimately cause a reduction in trade volumes.”

However, Roberts argued that the fact that Europe exported more to the UK than imported from it meant there was a strong incentive for EU to offer Britain a reasonable deal even following an exit. “Whether in or out of the customs union, British negotiators should treat the maintenance of unimpeded movement of trade as non-negotiable,” he said.

James Hookham, of the Freight Transport Association, said there would be a “profound” impact if there is a sudden exit from the customs union as over half of Britain’s exports go to the EU. He urged Fox to talk to the individuals involved in the process so he understood any “unintended consequences”.

Others highlighted the UK-Irish border, which is effectively invisible, warning that it would be a complex issue to tackle if it had to become a new point for customs checks.

Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform, said that Irish officials feared that the return of customs posts would provoke terrorist attacks. “The British and Irish governments would certainly do everything possible to minimise physical customs checks on the border – perhaps through the use of advanced technology, or simply through checking lorries at towns near the border, rather than at the border itself,” he said.

May is under significant pressure from her own party to deliver Brexit following the vote in June, with many leave campaigners wanting to see a hard break with the EU in which the UK would leave both the customs union and single market.

But she is also being challenged by backbenchers who want an open relationship with the EU. One of them, Nick Herbert, told the Guardian that the 37% figure obtained by the Guardian underlined the “painful economic cost if we allow ideology to dictate the terms”.

“Banking on such a huge increase in non-EU trade in current global economic conditions would be a massive gamble that could leave us all worse off,” he said. “This is exactly why we need a proper debate on the choices so that we can drive a sensible Brexit deal for Britain.”

However, David Davis, the Brexit secretary, and Fox were said to have accused officials of drawing up a deeply “pessimistic paper” that assumed no mitigating factors. The trade secretary told cabinet colleagues that he had received assurances from non EU countries that they would allow the UK would be able to continue trading with them on the same conditions until new agreements had been drawn up.

Downing street said they would not comment on the paper, nor give a running commentary on Brexit negotiations.

The cabinet is grappling with how to approach Brexit at a time when there is growing pressure on for the government to spell out its next steps. After a fortnight in which the pound had fallen amid growing expectations of a “hard” Brexit that focuses on controlling immigration, sterling rallied when a court heard that parliament was “very likely” to be asked to ratify any what ever treaty agreement is ultimately struck with the EU.

Details of parliament’s potential role emerged during the third day of a legal challenge over whether ministers or MPs have the power to give formal notification to Brussels that Britain is withdrawing under article 50 of the treaty on the European Union. Pressed by the lord chief justice on whether any agreement with the EU would eventually be subject to approval by parliament, James Eadie QC, for the government, confirmed that it was likely.

He added: “It is ultimately dependent upon the agreement of the parties to the treaty, whether they want it to be subject to ratification or not. But as I say, the view within government is that it is very likely that this treaty will be subject to ratification process in the usual way. Most of them are. It is a pretty rare event for the things to take effect immediately upon accession.”

That opinion was seized on by City traders as a sign that MPs might be able to prevent a hard Brexit, pushing the pound’s value up at one stage to $1.23 – a rise of almost 1%. Compared with its rate of $1.46 prior to the Brexit referendum, however, it was a small recovery.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/18/theresa-may-given-stark-warning-about-leaving-customs-union
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« Reply #303 on: October 19, 2016, 02:25:36 pm »
Reading that story it emphasises that none of us were in a position to make the decision to leave.
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We'll be fucked if we're relying on the Diddymen for anything as they will likely be avoiding paying any tax...

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We'll be fucked if we're relying on the Diddymen for anything as they will likely be avoiding paying any tax...

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Its alright, the grand plan has finally been revealed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/british-tea-jam-and-biscuits-will-be-at-the-heart-of-britains-br/

British tea, jam and biscuits will be at the heart of Britain's Brexit trade plans

Oh :lmao

I know there is some tea grown in Cornwall, but it's a very limited amount. Is the vast majority of "British tea" not imported from Kenya, India and China? I find it a bizarre product to use, as it will depend greatly on the value of the pound.

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Its alright, the grand plan has finally been revealed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/british-tea-jam-and-biscuits-will-be-at-the-heart-of-britains-br/

British tea, jam and biscuits will be at the heart of Britain's Brexit trade plans

Oh :lmao

Its like a carry on film. The scary thing is that these are the kind of wonderful trade deals these utter fuckwits are going to get while we lose the rest. These c*nts are fucking the country and getting away with it. The c*nts seem to forget the leave majority was only just over a million, 17 odd million didn't even want this and those who did vote leave didn't vote to fuck their lives up.
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I know there is some tea grown in Cornwall, but it's a very limited amount. Is the vast majority of "British tea" not imported from Kenya, India and China? I find it a bizarre product to use, as it will depend greatly on the value of the pound.

According to the 2015 figures I found, we import over 80 million kilos from sub-saharan Africa, almost 30 million kg from Asia, 10 million kg from the EU and 7 million kg from the middle east and North Africa and another 4 million kg from others.

We brew a lot of beer here, but its not going to be a big hit being exported when they can get the same or better abroad for less money.
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« Reply #310 on: October 19, 2016, 09:36:18 pm »
Hammond seems to be a rare sane voice on the Tories side in all of this, even if some of what he told the Treasury Select Committee seemed like he was trying to put on a mildly positive spin on things that clearly does not believe to be true. Sadly, he doesn't have a chance with the fanciful fringe element dominating the Conservatives. And for any of the Brexiteers expected a quick EU trade deal, you only have to look at how Wallonia has stalled a Canada-EU deal that has taken nearly eight years of negotiation.

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« Reply #311 on: October 19, 2016, 10:21:50 pm »
Hammond seems to be a rare sane voice on the Tories side in all of this, even if some of what he told the Treasury Select Committee seemed like he was trying to put on a mildly positive spin on things that clearly does not believe to be true. Sadly, he doesn't have a chance with the fanciful fringe element dominating the Conservatives. And for any of the Brexiteers expected a quick EU trade deal, you only have to look at how Wallonia has stalled a Canada-EU deal that has taken nearly eight years of negotiation.
i get the feeling that fringe element you describe really do think the whole world is desperate to set up new trade deals with a tiny island which doesn't really do anything that can't be done elsewhere, instead just looking to see what nice bits are left on the carcass (see finance sector)

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The British public has now shifted to believe that access to the single market is more important than immigration control in EU negotiations

https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/789076214296215552

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The British public has now shifted to believe that access to the single market is more important than immigration control in EU negotiations

https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/789076214296215552

Let's see if May still pushes hard Brexit

This is why I firmly believe that the Tories are fucked. Regardless of why people voted, there is no way a majority voted expecting to get poorer. Plus the vote was at a good moment in terms of the strength of the economy. Once the reality hits, inflation kicks in then it will be a different story.

They need to sort all that whilst trying to negotiate trade deals, deal with Scotland and the state of the NHS.

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This is why I firmly believe that the Tories are fucked. Regardless of why people voted

People voted for an ill-defined panacea which meant contradictory things to most voters. Most will be disappointed even if it did not tank the economy.

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Davis today refrenced a possible 'cliff edge' for businesses if we revert to WTO rules. Thats the first time a senior Brexiteer has mentioned that and debunks the smug, previously backbench Tories like Redwood, Rees-Mogg and those in the media that we will be perfectly fine if we revert to that state.

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Imagine living in Hartlepool and having to talk to people about this

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Imagine living in Hartlepool and having to talk to people about this

Proper aggressive louts in the crowd, which is exactly what i think Hartlepool is about anyway.

Good job that Ken Clarke and Yiannis were on this as they quite clearly didnt give a fuck about the audience. Love how Clarke kept referrinf to the vote as an opinion poll and Yiannis told the women "...were you not listening".

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Proper aggressive louts in the crowd, which is exactly what i think Hartlepool is about anyway.

Good job that Ken Clarke and Yiannis were on this as they quite clearly didnt give a fuck about the audience. Love how Clarke kept referrinf to the vote as an opinion poll and Yiannis told the women "...were you not listening".
honestly think those two are wasted in Hartlepool, get someone like leadsom there from the Tories and some other random.

And that UKIP woman saying Frottage has been respectable for over 23 years, hahaha

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Frightening. Yes you have just committed financial suicide for about 50 years, enjoy. Places like that will die on their arse even more than before.