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« Reply #3160 on: December 29, 2020, 10:23:10 pm »
Matip's fitness record speaks for itself. He cannot be relied upon, as good a player as he is when fit. If we sign a competent centre half who settles quickly that sends out a message to the rest of the teams in the division. If we don't it gives the rest renewed hope and more shite like West Brom will think they can take points off us. If we think Phillips and Williams will deliver the trophies we want we're fucking round the bend
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« Reply #3161 on: December 29, 2020, 10:43:23 pm »
It’s his 29th birthday today

In my mind he was about 35 when we signed him
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« Reply #3162 on: December 29, 2020, 11:00:55 pm »
What's Steven Caulker up to these days?

Practicing playing as a striker....
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« Reply #3163 on: December 29, 2020, 11:01:56 pm »
Imagine Skrtl in a VAR world.



His only option in a VAR world would be to play for Man utd.
No other team in the PL would be a viable option.
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« Reply #3164 on: December 30, 2020, 01:09:53 am »
What's Steven Caulker up to these
He's actually playing in Turkey and doing well. Playing every  minute for Alanyspor who are third with the second best defence.

Meant to have turned his life around as he was a massive mess in terms of the booze and gambling
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« Reply #3165 on: December 30, 2020, 01:31:37 am »
Matip is one of the best defenders I've seen at this club, maybe, my growing up age with the club was with Joe Fagan (great never mentioned manager/ back room staff too of course), I went to games before that but yeah, I remember Fagan more as I started to actually make it a part of my life. There is nothing that can be done about his fragility it seems. He's got presence, positioning, and is so great at deceiving when going forward. plays some midfield splitting passes. Clever and calm player is our Joel. it's so disappointing he can't just be not injured for lengths of time (double negative oops), I'd have him over Joe Gomez every time. So I don't really get how people think Gomez is better than Matip. Suppose that isn't the point, nor do I really want to put Gomez down while complimenting a player here.
 Everyone has felt this for ages, we mightn't need one CB we may need 2, so if we don't get a CB in the January window I won't exactly flip out about it like transfer fever can bring that out of people but, it's a safety net for the team, I want Fabinho in the midfield too if you wouldn't mind. I'm sure he wants to be there too.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3166 on: December 30, 2020, 03:00:07 am »
Abductor?
He must have ransom distance to get an abductor injury
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« Reply #3167 on: December 30, 2020, 09:36:37 am »
He must have ransom distance to get an abductor injury

The muscle was seized whilst he was negotiating another opposition raid.

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« Reply #3168 on: December 30, 2020, 09:39:17 am »
He must have ransom distance to get an abductor injury
Needs Liam Neeson in to sort it.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3169 on: December 30, 2020, 10:52:54 am »
Matip is one of the best defenders I've seen at this club, maybe, my growing up age with the club was with Joe Fagan (great never mentioned manager/ back room staff too of course), I went to games before that but yeah, I remember Fagan more as I started to actually make it a part of my life. There is nothing that can be done about his fragility it seems. He's got presence, positioning, and is so great at deceiving when going forward. plays some midfield splitting passes. Clever and calm player is our Joel. it's so disappointing he can't just be not injured for lengths of time (double negative oops), I'd have him over Joe Gomez every time. So I don't really get how people think Gomez is better than Matip. Suppose that isn't the point, nor do I really want to put Gomez down while complimenting a player here.
 Everyone has felt this for ages, we mightn't need one CB we may need 2, so if we don't get a CB in the January window I won't exactly flip out about it like transfer fever can bring that out of people but, it's a safety net for the team, I want Fabinho in the midfield too if you wouldn't mind. I'm sure he wants to be there too.

Matip is like Agger. A rolls royce of a defender, but a complete liability fitness wise. Agger's legacy wasn't helped so much by being in a Rodgers team which was so structurally bad defensively and with a poor goalkeeper. Since we've had Alisson, Matip has been terrific.
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« Reply #3170 on: December 30, 2020, 11:45:39 am »
Matip is like Agger. A rolls royce of a defender, but a complete liability fitness wise. Agger's legacy wasn't helped so much by being in a Rodgers team which was so structurally bad defensively and with a poor goalkeeper. Since we've had Alisson, Matip has been terrific.
Good point
He is, but he is little bit different, I do agree though, the fitness thing, man I still wouldn't want Agger in his prime and Matip and Gomez lol, you know why. Agger would get into one of the best I've seen for sure though. Man thank you for your service Agger, I don't do that for soldiers, he was in some teams, and a really top class defender but yep injured, knocks etc. Aw man flood of memories in a good way, he was a hero at a struggling point of time, I'd like to chat to him in a bar.
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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3171 on: December 30, 2020, 11:55:19 am »
Did I miss the scan/news on Matip? Is it 6 weeks out as feared?

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« Reply #3172 on: December 30, 2020, 12:41:55 pm »
At the start of the season everyone said he was 3rd choice.

I think he's miles ahead of Gomez in ability but as a 3rd choice CB his fitness is probably in the realm of acceptable, how often do both your starting CBs get injured for the entire season? Awful luck.




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« Reply #3173 on: December 30, 2020, 12:54:40 pm »
Good point
He is, but he is little bit different, I do agree though, the fitness thing, man I still wouldn't want Agger in his prime and Matip and Gomez lol, you know why. Agger would get into one of the best I've seen for sure though. Man thank you for your service Agger, I don't do that for soldiers, he was in some teams, and a really top class defender but yep injured, knocks etc. Aw man flood of memories in a good way, he was a hero at a struggling point of time, I'd like to chat to him in a bar.

PL era LFC centre backs it'd be Van Dijk and Hyypa as 1 and 2. In terms of their best level i'd probably Matip next ahead of Agger and Carragher.

In the 18/19 run in and the start of last season he had a good run without getting injured and he was terrific. As good as Van Dijk was and vital to us winning the CL and building up the early lead that won us the title. He was rewarded with a new contract (after a lot of Gini-esque flapping about his contract winding down).

He got injured pretty much the next week and has barely played a game since without coming off injured. His body has completely broken down over the last 12 months for whatever reason. He's a write off to be honest.
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« Reply #3174 on: December 30, 2020, 01:11:23 pm »
At the start of the season everyone said he was 3rd choice.

I think he's miles ahead of Gomez in ability but as a 3rd choice CB his fitness is probably in the realm of acceptable, how often do both your starting CBs get injured for the entire season? Awful luck.

He's a better defender than Gomez. The only reason he became 3rd choice is because of the injuries last season. That's not a slight at Gomez, but matip is that good. The problem is fitness obviously.


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« Reply #3175 on: December 30, 2020, 01:46:21 pm »
3rd choice. Maybe but hes top 5 in the world also.

especially if he can play himself into form. That pass into mane for the goal against west brom was crazy. and he was really starting to talk more as it fell to him as the most experienced guy.

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« Reply #3176 on: December 30, 2020, 06:50:16 pm »
3rd choice. Maybe but hes top 5 in the world also.

especially if he can play himself into form. That pass into mane for the goal against west brom was crazy. and he was really starting to talk more as it fell to him as the most experienced guy.

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When he's fit and on form, he's not far off Van Dijk. He's that good.
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« Reply #3177 on: December 30, 2020, 06:51:54 pm »
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« Reply #3178 on: December 30, 2020, 07:19:48 pm »
Any update on Matip and when he’s likely to be back?  Previous posts suggested his scan was scheduled for the 29th but not seen any news since.  TIA
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« Reply #3179 on: December 30, 2020, 07:48:30 pm »
Matip is like Agger. A rolls royce of a defender, but a complete liability fitness wise. Agger's legacy wasn't helped so much by being in a Rodgers team which was so structurally bad defensively and with a poor goalkeeper. Since we've had Alisson, Matip has been terrific.
For all of Matip’s fitness issue, Agger’s fitness is on another level. Once he got injured during warm up. Says it all.

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« Reply #3180 on: December 30, 2020, 09:51:29 pm »
Can't be relied upon.

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« Reply #3181 on: December 31, 2020, 12:25:40 am »
Can see him being wheeled out for certain games and the youngsters playing the others. Whether that’s enough, we’ll only know in May. He’s a class defender and if he can play a run of games, it will make us a better side. Could do with him back for Yernited.

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« Reply #3182 on: December 31, 2020, 12:38:19 am »
Any update on Matip and when he’s likely to be back?  Previous posts suggested his scan was scheduled for the 29th but not seen any news since.  TIA

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« Reply #3183 on: December 31, 2020, 07:21:28 am »
3 weeks Klopp said

That makes him touch and go for United - probably won't make it going by our usual caution. The fact that it's only three weeks is a doubled edged sword. Good that he'll probably only miss one or two more league games, but also makes it likely we don't go for an additional centre back in January, which we probably need regardless of Matip's recovery time.

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« Reply #3184 on: December 31, 2020, 09:33:19 am »
3 weeks Klopp said

Was that 3 weeks from last night or from when he got injured (only a few days difference I know). Outside chance he’ll make the United game although with his track record you’d imagine it will 3 weeks as a minimum.

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« Reply #3185 on: December 31, 2020, 09:39:34 am »
I have a feeling that Jurgen is becoming more guarded with injury updates. Wouldn’t be surprised if Matip comes back much earlier than 3 weeks.

I think he will be back in two weeks

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« Reply #3186 on: December 31, 2020, 10:49:34 am »
I have a feeling that Jurgen is becoming more guarded with injury updates. Wouldn’t be surprised if Matip comes back much earlier than 3 weeks.

I think he will be back in two weeks


And then gone again in another two.

The idea that Matip can endure the full strain of the intense half season to come looks outlandish. But without him lining up with Fabinho our prospects look thin. His young replacements - bless them - are so slow. We will have gone from having the fastest centre-back pairing in world football to having one of the slowest in the Premier League.

How slow was the ball recycled last night? Practically every pass that Phillips hit took the forward momentum out of the side. No pace on the ball, all his passes placed fractionally behind the receiver. He made it so easy for Newcastle to defend. And when our defensive line is so deep - and it has to be tailored to our slowest defender - it becomes impossible to gegenpress in the way that Klopp likes. Even lying so deep Phillips nearly got himself sent off last night for clattering an escaping Newcastle forward who was moving at twice the pace he was going at.

So in the permanent absence of Joe Gomez and Virgil, and the regular absence of Matip, Jurgen has to do something dramatic in the next few weeks if he wants Liverpool to be challenging for the Title and the European Cup come May. The obvious solution lies in throwing lots of money at a quick ball-playing centre back. If we get the right one we can look to let Matip go in the summer (no club can afford to keep four great centre backs happy). Failing an expedition into the transfer market I'd like to see Fabinho and another midfielder - possibly Thiago I'm afraid - become our main centre-back pairing. That will allow Liverpool to become Liverpool again instead of the pale ghost we've seen in the last two games. It would be hard on Thiago and it would be hard on us. He wants to play in midfield. We want to see him there. But the demands of the team always come first. And it will serve him right for winning all 93 of his headers in his little cameo last night.

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« Reply #3187 on: December 31, 2020, 11:57:35 am »


How slow was the ball recycled last night? Practically every pass that Phillips hit took the forward momentum out of the side. No pace on the ball, all his passes placed fractionally behind the receiver. He made it so easy for Newcastle to defend. And when our defensive line is so deep - and it has to be tailored to our slowest defender - it becomes impossible to gegenpress in the way that Klopp likes. Even lying so deep Phillips nearly got himself sent off last night for clattering an escaping Newcastle forward who was moving at twice the pace he was going at.


Yup. It was really noticeable how we dropped off when they had it last - which we kind of have to do with Williams or Phillips in the back line - and how that created space in midfield and wrecked our ability to press.. we're just a different team without pace at the back.
Even with our current first choice of Matip and Fabinho its an issue because they lack pace ... teams (Fulham for example) were dropping balls over our back line and we were neither catching them off side nor being deep enough to contain tthe attack. Those two are so good individually and not chronically slow so its a serviceable back two but ideally even if Matip did stay fit we'd want a centre back with pace - its so fundamental to how we play

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3188 on: January 4, 2021, 02:23:42 pm »
When is he expected back ? 3-4 weeks injury
I think the main priority would be to get him fit  for United match on 17 Jan - which would be very tight
As I any CB we sign will probably not be thrown into the deep end against United.

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« Reply #3189 on: January 4, 2021, 03:00:46 pm »
It's difficult to envision a scenario where Matip is ready for the Mancs game on the 17th

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« Reply #3190 on: January 4, 2021, 03:14:02 pm »
It's difficult to envision a scenario where Matip is ready for the Mancs game on the 17th

so then tonight is a dress rehearsal for the team to play Mancs - without Matip at CB.

to be honest I think a CB pairing of Hendo & Fab and with Gini and THiago ahead of them I can see a solid spine developing.

Hopefully Matip gets some cover with a Jan purchase so that he can play every 2 matches and then a break. specially with CL matches in Feb & March

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« Reply #3191 on: January 4, 2021, 03:30:17 pm »
I also think if we were going to get a CB - we'd have done it by now (yes - 4 days into the month) - so the person would have two weeks to get integrated into the team in time for the manc game.

I realize the choices are limited and likely expensive - but we are really risking things being this thinly covered at CB.

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« Reply #3192 on: January 5, 2021, 02:02:38 am »
It's difficult to envision a scenario where Matip is ready for the Mancs game on the 17th

Well Klopp did say 3 weeks 3 weeks before the Man U game
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« Reply #3193 on: January 5, 2021, 02:24:59 am »
Well Klopp did say 3 weeks 3 weeks before the Man U game

He did? Ah ok - my bad.

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« Reply #3194 on: January 5, 2021, 03:09:02 am »
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it's 2, 3, 4 or 6 weeks.  He is injury prone and made of glass.  The basis of any title winning team is a steady, solid defence.   Virgil is proof of that and Rafa will second this.    As good as Matip is, Klopp and the team can't rely on him.   You don't need to be a top manager or sports director to realise this.   We can't go into the next season with hope, prayer and expecting something close to a miracle judging from Matip's injury record.   This transfer window is a good chance to address this mistake (selling Lovren, reliance on Matip and lack of experienced, quality options) for a good tilt at the title defence.  If this is not happening then surely another centreback has to be signed in the summer window.

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« Reply #3195 on: January 5, 2021, 03:00:08 pm »
Was that 3 weeks from last night or from when he got injured (only a few days difference I know). Outside chance he’ll make the United game although with his track record you’d imagine it will 3 weeks as a minimum.

3 weeks from injury

There’s a slight chance he’ll make United.
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« Reply #3196 on: January 5, 2021, 03:35:53 pm »
Can we bin 'made of glass' or 'made of crisps' or any derogatory crap people come out with.

Everyone's got a different physical make up unfortunately, it is what it is. Like Sturridge said recently, he'd have given every penny he had to fix his body.

Jamie Carragher misconstrues his fortune as mind over matter but it's complete bollox at the end of the day, the blert.
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« Reply #3197 on: January 5, 2021, 03:38:34 pm »
Can we bin 'made of glass' or 'made of crisps' or any derogatory crap people come out with.

Everyone's got a different physical make up unfortunately, it is what it is. Like Sturridge said recently, he'd have given every penny he had to fix his body.

Jamie Carragher misconstrues his fortune as mind over matter but it's complete bollox at the end of the day, the blert.

Carragher is so far beyond an embarrassment now

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3198 on: January 6, 2021, 09:28:33 am »
We needed another CB pre van dijk’s injury, let alone, Gomez’s injury. A Matip injury was just a matter of time.

agreed - we needed another CB while we had Dejan Lovren and then we sold him and I do believe he had a better injury/availability record than Matip. I still think him average but  I must admit he is better than Williams and Phillips.

Do we know when Matip is expected back ?
Any predictions?  For me he will probably be available for match selection after United game so 18 Jan  onwards

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Re: Welcome (back) to Liverpool, Joel Matip!
« Reply #3199 on: January 6, 2021, 12:54:55 pm »
Pearce saying we’re hopeful Joel will be back for the Utd game. No doubt will be a huge boost if he is but how long can he stay fit for is always the worry.
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