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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3400 on: November 23, 2018, 02:44:13 PM »
At least we hadnít been relying on him so far this season - if you follow me. Would haven been a nice bench option - but heís rarely been available for much so itís not a loss.

Klopps system might simply be too much for him at this age.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3401 on: November 23, 2018, 02:46:18 PM »
It's the cycle that doens't end. He's available for a week out for a month. Then he'll play bad and people say it's only his first game back. When in reality it's his last game back before being injured again.

Missed an opportunity in the summer to let him go and get someone like James Maddison. Ah well.
Maddison is good but would rather give our academy kids a go or aim higher.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3402 on: November 24, 2018, 09:10:15 AM »
At this stage I'd move him on and bring Wilson into the fold if he continues to impress at Derby. One of those bottom feeder teams will give us circa £20m and we can use that in other positions

Just like one of them was going to give us the same sort of money for Sturridge after he'd played about five games in two years for us?  ;D
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3403 on: November 24, 2018, 09:22:19 AM »
Just like one of them was going to give us the same sort of money for Sturridge after he'd played about five games in two years for us?  ;D

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3404 on: November 24, 2018, 09:36:18 AM »
I think he's a good option to have off the bench. It's a real shame as before his injuries he was one of the main go to players under Klopp. Unfortunately since he's came back he hasn't looked anywhere near recapturing some of his form prior to those injuries. Think Klopp said he isn't available today either. He played alot of football so young also, coming up through the divisions for Southampton, might of taken it's toll.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3405 on: November 25, 2018, 07:23:14 PM »
The issue with Lallana is that he offers nothing much these days as a sub.

If we are leading, taking Salah off and putting Lallana on is not going to strengthen us defensively.

If we are a a goal down and chasing the game, he is not going to offer any goal threat or open up the defence for us.

Neither here or there now.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3406 on: November 25, 2018, 07:57:37 PM »
Lads played abar 5 games in what 12-18 months? Maybe a tad early just yet to be firing him off.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3407 on: November 25, 2018, 08:02:38 PM »
The issue with Lallana is that he offers nothing much these days as a sub.

If we are leading, taking Salah off and putting Lallana on is not going to strengthen us defensively.

If we are a a goal down and chasing the game, he is not going to offer any goal threat or open up the defence for us.

Neither here or there now.

What youíre essentially saying is that heís so shit he is of no use whatsoever :D

You should tell the manager
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3408 on: November 25, 2018, 08:07:56 PM »
He lacks game time but with every game being of such importance it is difficult to see him starting.   I would like to see him coming on as/when we are comfortably ahead.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3409 on: November 25, 2018, 08:57:21 PM »
He lacks game time but with every game being of such importance it is difficult to see him starting.   I would like to see him coming on as/when we are comfortably ahead.

This is his biggest issue, well right after his injuries.
Every game is so important this season, every minute a player gets needs to be validated by the performance and there is competition for each and every position. So where does he get his minutes? Ideally we have a fit and firing Lallana contributing in this incredibly difficult and important period, but can he get up to required speed and stay there without getting injured again.

It has been a shit year in general for him, he must be sick of all the recurring problems and niggling injuries.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3410 on: November 25, 2018, 09:06:24 PM »
Do feel sorry for Lallana he's had a rough year of it injury wise. I do wonder whether we'll see him again at pre injury levels. I said in the thread of the Red Star Belgrade CL thread that he looks a shell of his former self.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3411 on: November 25, 2018, 09:07:55 PM »
What youíre essentially saying is that heís so shit he is of no use whatsoever :D

You should tell the manager

He is not shite. He could come in to do a competent Milner job. What I am saying if you wanted someone to make a difference, he is not the person right now.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3412 on: November 25, 2018, 09:17:30 PM »
He is not shite. He could come in to do a competent Milner job. What I am saying if you wanted someone to make a difference, he is not the person right now.

Was he ever a good option coming off the bench?

We all know what heís good at, we all know heís been injured a lot and none of us really know if heíll get back to a level where he can contribute. But the shite heís getting is almost identical to the shite Sturridge did for a few years, probably from the same people. No player chooses to get injured, we should back them when they do without the sweeping statements whilst theyíre trying to return.
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and thatís being very conservative. So thatís £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head thatís £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3413 on: November 25, 2018, 09:19:15 PM »
Was he ever a good option coming off the bench?

We all know what heís good at, we all know heís been injured a lot and none of us really know if heíll get back to a level where he can contribute. But the shite heís getting is almost identical to the shite Sturridge did for a few years, probably from the same people. No player chooses to get injured, we should back them when they do without the sweeping statements whilst theyíre trying to return.

Sturridge is difficult comparison from this perspective - he's out for 3 months and comes back in top gear and scores. Lallana out for 3 months - needs 4 games to get back to speed, but either the games aren't available or he gets injured again.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3414 on: November 25, 2018, 09:27:01 PM »
Sturridge is difficult comparison from this perspective - he's out for 3 months and comes back in top gear and scores. Lallana out for 3 months - needs 4 games to get back to speed, but either the games aren't available or he gets injured again.

 :-\

Iím not sure thatís even remotely true, for either of them. Seems to have become a bit of a buzz phrase with Lallana.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3415 on: November 25, 2018, 10:54:49 PM »
Lads played abar 5 games in what 12-18 months? Maybe a tad early just yet to be firing him off.

Load of shite. Everyone knows that you can be 100% match fit before you've even played a game these days.....
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3416 on: November 26, 2018, 09:19:03 AM »
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Iím not sure thatís even remotely true, for either of them. Seems to have become a bit of a buzz phrase with Lallana.

Its quite accurate imo, Sturridge tends to come back looking sharp and a goal threat. Every time Lallana comes back he looks a yard off the pace and like he's struggling with the pace of the game. At his best Lallana is absolute quality but my god he's incredibly injury prone these days and I can't remember the last time he had one of those impressive 'what a player' type games

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3417 on: November 26, 2018, 09:23:20 AM »
Its quite accurate imo, Sturridge tends to come back looking sharp and a goal threat. Every time Lallana comes back he looks a yard off the pace and like he's struggling with the pace of the game. At his best Lallana is absolute quality but my god he's incredibly injury prone these days and I can't remember the last time he had one of those impressive 'what a player' type games
They have completely different roles though. If Sturridge is out of shape, he still has his touch and vision and that gets him pretty far as a striker. He was never relying on hard work. Lallana is a midfielder and covering a lot of ground was always a big part of his game.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3418 on: November 26, 2018, 09:42:23 AM »
They have completely different roles though. If Sturridge is out of shape, he still has his touch and vision and that gets him pretty far as a striker. He was never relying on hard work. Lallana is a midfielder and covering a lot of ground was always a big part of his game.

Oh don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they have identical roles in any way but I don't think its unfair to say Lallana takes a few games to look near his normal level when he returns from injury (which was my point). It makes things difficult because as someone stated above he needs a few games but they aren't available or he picks up another injury

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3419 on: November 26, 2018, 10:03:37 AM »
Thing is until you have other options for the attacking CM Lallana wil always be in the conversation. Its a position we need strengthening as in certain games / times we could do with more guile from midfield where teams back off us so much all our outfield players could be camped in their half. Whether it be passes or runs from midfield the likes of Shaqiri, Keita, Ox and Lallana could all play their part but due to injuries only Shaqiri is getting a run of games right now. Thankfully we still are flying as a team which is crazy considering how we rarely get into third gear even.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3420 on: December 3, 2018, 03:20:28 PM »
Is he available for the Burnley game?

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3421 on: December 3, 2018, 03:26:16 PM »
Is he available for the Burnley game?

I'm sure he is - but he can't be match fit at all - starting him necessitates a sub by 60 mins. Maybe a bench option.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3422 on: December 3, 2018, 05:03:47 PM »
Does enough to be on the bench rather than squad player.  Got to have a deep bench to go the distance in the league.  I think we are lucky to have him around as a player coming of the bench if he is happy with that or filling in in the lower level games or when injuries come along.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3423 on: December 3, 2018, 05:14:35 PM »
The way things are at the minute, he may want to leave in the summer to get some playing time. He was great in his first couple of seasons with us, but the injuries have hampered him severely. His contract runs till 2020, and on current state, I dont see him getting a new one. Moving away to a mid-table club may help him rejuvenate his career as he's only 30, and if his body holds up, he should be playing for another 4-5 years atleast, and could maybe still get a look in for England too. Its just sad how its turned out with him, because he has the quality and he could put a shift in, a bit like Sturridge, but without the one glorious season that Studge had in 13-14.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3424 on: December 5, 2018, 02:49:50 PM »
The way things are at the minute, he may want to leave in the summer to get some playing time.

But Klopp loves him and tries to play him into form whenever possible. His problem isn't lack of playing time, it's his injuries. I'm not sure moving to another club will change that.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3425 on: December 5, 2018, 04:31:44 PM »
Lads played abar 5 games in what 12-18 months? Maybe a tad early just yet to be firing him off.
had to look up, no way was it that few. though i thought it was more than 20

he was a great fit until he got injured summer 17
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3426 on: December 5, 2018, 06:16:06 PM »
People do have these odd ideas about players wanting to leave Liverpool

Most players donít want to leave. A few see Barca or Real as the pinnacle but most donít want to go anywhere else, particularly when theyíre past their peak. Iíd love to see the conversation with Lallana Ďlook mate, do you not fancy going to play for Watford? I know the atmosphere would be shit, you wouldnít be playing in remotely as big games or playing with anywhere near as talented players, and a lot of your mates are here, but youíd at least be living in Watford and probably getting paid less than here. Iíll tell them itís a maybe, yeah? And if not them....how about Bournemouth? Or Wolves, yeah? Fancy Solihull for a new house?í
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3427 on: December 6, 2018, 01:16:50 AM »
ha! Would be solid at Bournemouth.  He talented, would play all the time (probably) and another good manager to help him develop as a player and also get minutes.  Less of the high press game also might favor his style of play.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3428 on: December 6, 2018, 03:02:35 AM »
ha! Would be solid at Bournemouth.  He talented, would play all the time (probably) and another good manager to help him develop as a player and also get minutes.  Less of the high press game also might favor his style of play.

Donít think he will be developing too much more as a player at 30

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3429 on: December 6, 2018, 03:08:16 AM »
As long as Shaiqiri and Keita are available, I am not sure he can get into the team.

I think he will probably feature in the FA cup.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3430 on: December 6, 2018, 09:46:11 AM »
As long as Shaiqiri and Keita are available, I am not sure he can get into the team.

I think he will probably feature in the FA cup.

I can see him moving on in Jan, if any offer comes in for him. Well now or the summer. Shame we can't recall Harry Wilson to take his place.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3431 on: December 6, 2018, 09:51:49 AM »
I can see him moving on in Jan, if any offer comes in for him. Well now or the summer. Shame we can't recall Harry Wilson to take his place.

 :butt

As with Sturridge, teams don't actually particularly want to sign injury prone players who haven't played properly for over a year. Especially struggling teams. Sturridge loan last season has probably put clubs off that sort of thing a bit. And players don't particularly want to leave a club on the up where he's on good wages, better facilities, been here for a long time and is still trusted by the manager. Its all a bit Football Manager thinking we'll sell Lallana.

Moreno looked dead in the water, and came back in last season
Sturridge looked dead in the water, and came back in this season
Origi looked dead in the water, and has come back in recently

If he's here, and there's literally no indication from anywhere that he wont be, then he'll be in and around the squad
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3432 on: December 6, 2018, 10:10:51 AM »
I can see him moving on in Jan, if any offer comes in for him. Well now or the summer. Shame we can't recall Harry Wilson to take his place.

Iíd be amazed if he moves on in January. Heíll only move if he asks to leave. The same with Clyne and Origi. Klopp seems to commit to players for a full season unless they want to leave.

If Lallana did leave I think Curtis Jones would be his natural replacement in the squad rather than Harry Wilson. In our system, Wilson would play in the front 3 or wide in a 4-2-3-1. I personally see Lallana more as a midfielder and a No.8 in a 3 man midfield.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3433 on: December 6, 2018, 11:56:19 AM »
I can see him moving on in Jan, if any offer comes in for him. Well now or the summer. Shame we can't recall Harry Wilson to take his place.
is there no recall option in place?
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3434 on: December 6, 2018, 12:00:43 PM »
is there no recall option in place?

Lampard said something a few months ago that he would be at Derby for the whole season, would be quite a bold statement if there was the chance we'd recall him
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« Reply #3435 on: December 6, 2018, 12:02:23 PM »
is there no recall option in place?

No.

Frank Lampard said the other week that Wilson is Derby's player until the end of the season.

Wilson is better placed on loan. I don't think he'd not be getting a game (or very few) if he was in our squad currently. Continue to get games and develop until the end of the season. Come back next July and we take stock- 1st team squad, sell or another loan.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3436 on: December 6, 2018, 12:04:43 PM »
Lampard said something a few months ago that he would be at Derby for the whole season, would be quite a bold statement if there was the chance we'd recall him
No.

Frank Lampard said the other week that Wilson is Derby's player until the end of the season.

Wilson is better placed on loan. I don't think he'd not be getting a game (or very few) if he was in our squad currently. Continue to get games and develop until the end of the season. Come back next July and we take stock- 1st team squad, sell or another loan.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3437 on: December 6, 2018, 08:27:52 PM »
Lampard said today that we could recall him in January.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3438 on: December 7, 2018, 09:05:05 AM »
Lampard said today that we could recall him in January.
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Re: Adam Lallana
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