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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4120 on: January 6, 2020, 04:32:46 AM »
He's been pretty handy this season, and obviously with all the injuries we've had, it's worked out very well to continue to have him on the books. He very rarely does poorly when he plays in midfield and was great today.

My only question around him is whether he block the path of an Elliott, a Wilson or a Jones into the team. I think all three of those would like more football next season, and while it's handy to have a quality old head like Adam, those games could equally be used to integrate the next generation of players.

My take on that would be that Elliot and Wilson would only ever play in a front three (and Wilson will probably leave permanently during the summer unless we opt to go british and profit on Shaqiri), where we don't play Lallana any more. And that Jones has complemented Lallana when playing midfield in the cups this season and if he were to stay could do the same next season (when we'll not have Kane or Chirivella in the squads either. And as much as I want him to develop, I don't want Jones to be one of our top three options on the bench to come on at Old Trafford or in the World Club Cup final next season.

Having said all that, my guess is he wants first team football next season anyway and goes to Bournemouth.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4121 on: January 6, 2020, 04:44:12 AM »
My take on that would be that Elliot and Wilson would only ever play in a front three (and Wilson will probably leave permanently during the summer unless we opt to go british and profit on Shaqiri), where we don't play Lallana any more. And that Jones has complemented Lallana when playing midfield in the cups this season and if he were to stay could do the same next season (when we'll not have Kane or Chirivella in the squads either. And as much as I want him to develop, I don't want Jones to be one of our top three options on the bench to come on at Old Trafford or in the World Club Cup final next season.

Having said all that, my guess is he wants first team football next season anyway and goes to Bournemouth.

I mean, I don't think Lallana would be in the top 3 options to come off the bench now, even if we don't get anyone between now and the start of next season?

I would have thought the first five off the bench (assuming current first choice selection of Fab, Hendo, Gini/Ox/Keita, Salah, Firmino, Manť) if we wanted a goal would be:

1. Minamino
2. Ox/Keita/Gini
3. Ox/Keita/Gini
4. Ox/Keita/Gini
5. Origi

And then there'd be Shaqiri, Milner etc.

So I wouldn't have thought Lallana would get off the bench unless there's an injury crisis (entirely possible), and in that scenario surely you'd want to give the kids a run? Remember next season in particular we will be keeping half an eye on transitioning to the future squad.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4122 on: January 6, 2020, 04:50:28 AM »
I mean, I don't think Lallana would be in the top 3 options to come off the bench now, even if we don't get anyone between now and the start of next season?
But he did come off the bench in those two games though? And significantly changed the game.

Merely saying in similar circumstances next year Klopp would still probably not give those two important stints to Jones or Elliott, but to another more senior squad member.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4123 on: January 6, 2020, 04:55:29 AM »
But he did come off the bench in those two games though? And significantly changed the game.

Merely saying in similar circumstances next year Klopp would still probably not give those two important stints to Jones or Elliott, but to another more senior squad member.

Potentially, unless Jones/Elliott develop a bit more between now and next season, which is feasible. Even so there'd still be a place for Lallana to lead the kids against Villa. I think we're sorta talking across purposes because I can also imagine circumstances in which Lallana would be a useful safety blanket, but I think we do have to find the balance between security and bringing through the next generation.

I also hate to have to do this - but I think Lallana is a great professional who definitely adds something to the squad. It's just a matter of getting our priorities right.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4124 on: January 6, 2020, 07:51:07 AM »
Iím guessing there were like 20 Adam Lallana supporters with posts already typed, ready to post as soon as the match ended. His followers are weirdly devoted. Iíd urge you devote yourself to the crest first.

Lallana looked his normal slow, ineffectual self today for me. Didnít stand out stand out like youíd expect a first team player to in a team full of kids (See Gomez for what a first team player should look like in that squad). He was slow when he joined the club, and all of the injuries have clearly physically limited him even more. He isnít Liverpool quality. At this point it shouldnít even be a discussion, but I know that he has a weird cult following for some reason.

Wish him the best at the next club he plays for. Hope he finishes his club with Southampton or something, but he probably isnít good enough for them at this point, either.

I'm guessing you are clueless with a history of posting utter bollocks. If you cant see what he brought to yesterdays game then maybe football is beyond your comprehension skills.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4125 on: January 6, 2020, 07:57:43 AM »
Iíve read some rubbish in my time but Lallana not good enough for Southampton? Dear me. Heís good enough for Liverpool, run away league leaders, world and European champions and regularly in Kloppís match day squad. He was excellent yesterday, the performance  of a senior pro. If you cannot see how good he was yesterday and in his other performances this season Iíd suggest football isnít for you.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4126 on: January 6, 2020, 08:04:05 AM »
Lallana was excellent yesterday. Ran tirelessly and chased everything down.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4127 on: January 6, 2020, 08:09:04 AM »
Is that all 20 of us Lallana fans who have posted now? Or any still to post? Salty needs to know
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4128 on: January 6, 2020, 08:42:24 AM »

A captains performance last night, certainly a contender for MotM.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4129 on: January 6, 2020, 08:57:18 AM »
Thought he was excellent yesterday. An injury free Lallana is a great addition to the first team.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4130 on: January 6, 2020, 09:09:44 AM »
Is that all 20 of us Lallana fans who have posted now? Or any still to post? Salty needs to know

Should've gone above 20 a while ago  ;D

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4132 on: January 6, 2020, 09:42:07 AM »
Good read in the Indy,

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/liverpool-vs-everton-fa-cup-adam-lallana-curtis-jones-jurgen-klopp-latest-news-a9271501.html

'why Lallana is the perfect reference point for talented kids now he's stopped choking them'  ....... sorry couldn't resist

Thought last night was his best performance in a Liverpool shirt in the context of playing with a team of kids/strangers - not sure whether him or Chirivella put in the better performance would have to watch it back but he was the leader on the pitch and fantastic with and without the ball
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4133 on: January 6, 2020, 09:51:41 AM »
Lallana led by example yesterday.  These young lads need guidance on the pitch and that's what happened yesterday.

A case of, If the senior pro who has had some bad injuries is running through brick walls to win the Derby, then I should be doing it to.


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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4134 on: January 6, 2020, 10:06:09 AM »
Incredible performance yesterday and was my MOTM. He was everywhere and led by example. He wasnít going to let Everton boss our kids and he got stuck in. His pressing and energy were top drawer.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4135 on: January 6, 2020, 10:59:33 AM »
not sure whether him or Chirivella put in the better performance would have to watch it back but he was the leader on the pitch and fantastic with and without the ball

Unquestionably Lallana. Chirivella was really good, but the pace of the game understandably caught up with him a few times and it could have cost us against better opposition. Don't recall him making a tackle either. I think he'd be excellent at a mid-table La Liga or Serie A side but don't see him as a Premier League player to be honest.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4136 on: January 6, 2020, 11:47:06 AM »
Unquestionably Lallana. Chirivella was really good, but the pace of the game understandably caught up with him a few times and it could have cost us against better opposition. Don't recall him making a tackle either. I think he'd be excellent at a mid-table La Liga or Serie A side but don't see him as a Premier League player to be honest.

You're probably right about Lallana - haven't watched it back.
In fairness to Chirivella it was hard for him to make a tackle when Everton were incapable of passing in midfield and bypassed it almost entirely - though I agree he's probably not PL ... but will have a decent career somewhere
(without being a wet blanket the performances of our midfield 3 probably should be seen in the context of the midfield vaccuum of bodies, effort, organisation and technique that was the Everton midfield - all of our boys were constantly in 5+ yards of space... was embarrassing)

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4137 on: January 6, 2020, 11:55:01 AM »
You're probably right about Lallana - haven't watched it back.
In fairness to Chirivella it was hard for him to make a tackle when Everton were incapable of passing in midfield and bypassed it almost entirely - though I agree he's probably not PL ... but will have a decent career somewhere
(without being a wet blanket the performances of our midfield 3 probably should be seen in the context of the midfield vaccuum of bodies, effort, organisation and technique that was the Everton midfield - all of our boys were constantly in 5+ yards of space... was embarrassing)

Very true. It actually turned out to be a good game for some of our better technical midfield players to play once they ran out of steam after 30 minutes.

Gylfi Sigurdsson is a horrific footballer - his lack of intelligence off the ball is something to behold.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4138 on: January 6, 2020, 11:58:33 AM »
Very true. It actually turned out to be a good game for some of our better technical midfield players to play once they ran out of steam after 30 minutes.

Gylfi Sigurdsson is a horrific footballer - his lack of intelligence off the ball is something to behold.

Yeah I posted in the pre match team arguments that people were ruling out the possibility that Everton running out their first team again could be a bigger mistake / disadvantage than us running out a fresh XI .... they were gassed in the second half.

Sigurdsson has parlayed a great dead ball striking ability into a career way above his ability and value... he's proof there's still some horrific Match of the Day style scouting in top level football.. the Lallana turn that totally undressed him was a thing of beauty

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4139 on: January 6, 2020, 12:19:42 PM »
To be fair to both Lallana and Pedro - they also created a lot of space themselves with some very nice turns and escapes. On the other hand, as noted, there may have been a point in the game where the Everton players didn't attack them for fear of being burned.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4140 on: January 6, 2020, 01:20:11 PM »
Potentially, unless Jones/Elliott develop a bit more between now and next season, which is feasible. Even so there'd still be a place for Lallana to lead the kids against Villa. I think we're sorta talking across purposes because I can also imagine circumstances in which Lallana would be a useful safety blanket, but I think we do have to find the balance between security and bringing through the next generation.

I also hate to have to do this - but I think Lallana is a great professional who definitely adds something to the squad. It's just a matter of getting our priorities right.

I think you're right, we were essentially in agreement. My mistake, it was the middle of the night :D
Unquestionably Lallana. Chirivella was really good, but the pace of the game understandably caught up with him a few times and it could have cost us against better opposition. Don't recall him making a tackle either. I think he'd be excellent at a mid-table La Liga or Serie A side but don't see him as a Premier League player to be honest.
Just to chime in, as someone without Adam in their username ;) , that I agree - by far and away the best player on the pitch I thought.

I liked that he mixed in some helpful encouragement and guidance with some tough love and bollockings.

There was an early corner post-Milner leaving and while it was being set up you could see Lallana calling to Larouci who was the first man - could tell from the hand gestures that he was warning Walcott (I think) was potentially going to run from the goal mouth  on his blindside to try and get ahead of Larouci at the last second. It was exactly what happened too, and he helped Larouci stay switched on to it. Think he also helped to gee up Phillips who was beginning to retreat into his shell after Calvert Lewin was allowed to foul him twice in order to win headers. More assertive and confident Phillips didn't have that problem again

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4141 on: January 7, 2020, 08:46:34 PM »
Glad he reminded some what he can do - absolutely superb display on Sunday, one of the best displays I've seen this season. Then again I suppose it was only the Ev ;)

To be honest though he's played well whenever he's come in since he's been fit and healthy.

Given his injury record though I suspect he'll be offered a one year extension with a further year - Klopp clearly loves the guy.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4142 on: January 11, 2020, 07:27:55 PM »
Another great little cameo.
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« Reply #4143 on: January 11, 2020, 07:33:54 PM »
30 mins - not just a cameo. Did really well in retaining possession.

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« Reply #4144 on: January 11, 2020, 07:49:45 PM »
Meh you probably had that written ready to send before the game even started.
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« Reply #4145 on: January 11, 2020, 10:38:10 PM »
Was comfortably our best player whilst on the pitch. We'll miss him next season

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4146 on: January 11, 2020, 10:39:07 PM »
Meh you probably had that written ready to send before the game even started.

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« Reply #4147 on: January 11, 2020, 11:09:39 PM »
Was comfortably our best player whilst on the pitch. We'll miss him next season

Hopefully he'll get an extension, but if he wants to move on then best of luck to him
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4148 on: January 12, 2020, 01:49:26 PM »
I wouldnít mind him staying another year, but my guess is that heíll leave.

But Iíd certainly miss him, heís an excellent player and his first touch is really special. We saw it again yesterday, towards the end of the game, when he collected, I think, Trentís lofted pass down the right like it was nothing.

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« Reply #4149 on: January 12, 2020, 02:02:18 PM »
Holding his own first touch of the season competition.  I think the Everton one was still slightly better than the Spurs one.

Would love him to stay.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4150 on: January 13, 2020, 05:30:21 PM »
Just been top draw late.

1st touch is unreal.

Hope he stays.

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« Reply #4151 on: January 13, 2020, 06:02:24 PM »
Just been top draw late.

1st touch is unreal.

Hope he stays.

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« Reply #4152 on: January 13, 2020, 07:38:52 PM »
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« Reply #4153 on: January 13, 2020, 07:47:44 PM »
Needs to stay. Still a cracking player and no signs of slowing down or losing stamina.
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« Reply #4154 on: January 13, 2020, 07:50:07 PM »
I wouldnít mind him staying another year, but my guess is that heíll leave.


Think we'll offer him an extension, but if he feels like starting for another club don't think there will be any bad blood. He did more than enough to justify his purchase, would be great to see him leave as a Premier League and European champion.

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« Reply #4155 on: January 14, 2020, 11:29:07 AM »
I wouldnít mind him staying another year, but my guess is that heíll leave.

But Iíd certainly miss him, heís an excellent player and his first touch is really special. We saw it again yesterday, towards the end of the game, when he collected, I think, Trentís lofted pass down the right like it was nothing.
That touch was mentioned by LFC on twitter by the way, here: https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1216761070792118272

The turn to get away from his marker isn't bad either.

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« Reply #4156 on: January 14, 2020, 11:32:19 AM »
That touch was mentioned by LFC on twitter by the way, here: https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1216761070792118272

The turn to get away from his marker isn't bad either.

Oh, to be able to turn either way equally quickly, with equal disguise. Never mind the two footedness. Buying space = buying time = producing speed. We are quicker with Lallana in the team.
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« Reply #4157 on: February 7, 2020, 09:34:08 PM »
Adam Lallana is preparing to leave Liverpool this summer.

The midfielder is in the final year of his contract and the ECHO understands the Reds are not in discussion with the 31-year-old to extend his deal.

The England international, who arrived at Anfield in the summer of 2014, is understood to be attracting interest from the likes of Arsenal, Leicester City and Tottenham Hotspur.

A lack of discussions surrounding Lallana's contract is understood to be owed to the fact the player wants guaranteed regular game time and Jurgen Klopp respects that he cannot offer that.

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« Reply #4158 on: February 7, 2020, 09:37:05 PM »
Adam Lallana is preparing to leave Liverpool this summer.

The midfielder is in the final year of his contract and the ECHO understands the Reds are not in discussion with the 31-year-old to extend his deal.

The England international, who arrived at Anfield in the summer of 2014, is understood to be attracting interest from the likes of Arsenal, Leicester City and Tottenham Hotspur.

A lack of discussions surrounding Lallana's contract is understood to be owed to the fact the player wants guaranteed regular game time and Jurgen Klopp respects that he cannot offer that.

Makes total sense. And Jones will now get a chance. Does make it important to extend a Gini though.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #4159 on: February 7, 2020, 09:39:29 PM »
Think Leicester would be a good one. He knows Rodgers well obviously.