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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3920 on: November 4, 2019, 01:11:04 AM »
Not if he is turned into a 6 and back up for Fabinho.

Can see both him and Milner been offered new contracts.

*in fact today's Telegraph is stating Lallana will be offered a new contract.
I'm not on the "Lallana No.6 bandwagon" yet, but I do agree with your 2nd sentence on the contracts. And it's Milner every day of the week for me. Milner is not as skillful as Lallana, who's a wonderful player on his day, but Milnere offer far more stability IMHO.

Quite surprised if we offer Lallana a new contract unless it's a year extension with playing clauses.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3921 on: November 4, 2019, 01:12:17 AM »
Heís on a sizeable wage and has barely contributed a thing in 3 years.

Hope he can be an asset whilst heís still here, but he will go the same way as Sturridge next summer.

Turkish SŁper Lig? I don't see it at all. I could be wrong though. Sturridge, as much as I love him, struck me as a guy who wanted to be one of the main men in a team - with a style built around him. Lallana seems to me the kind of guy who is willing to play a role and contribute when needed without being annoyed he's not playing every single game.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3922 on: November 4, 2019, 01:13:00 AM »
Heís on a sizeable wage and has barely contributed a thing in 3 years.

Hope he can be an asset whilst heís still here, but he will go the same way as Sturridge next summer.

We didn't offer Sturridge a new contract but looks like we will be with Lallana.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3923 on: November 4, 2019, 01:15:49 AM »
We didn't offer Sturridge a new contract but looks like we will be with Lallana.

Which again proves how much Klopp values him. He may be taking a paycut as well.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3924 on: November 4, 2019, 01:29:25 AM »
Klopp disagrees and this is where your credibility runs out.

Why would he not accept an extension at the best club in the country, Europe and the world? Ridiculous sentiment. He can pick up a good wage, look after his body as he won't be needed every single week, and win oodles of medals. In fact he'd be daft to turn an extension down unless its a ludicrous wage reduction.

And it would be.

As for my credibility,we will see but he has shown nothing to suggest he could be a success for us in that role,we also have some great youngsters coming through that will give us more than an aging and physically unreliable Lallana.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3925 on: November 4, 2019, 08:56:56 AM »
If people keep repeating this will be Lallana's last season, they're going to be right eventually.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3926 on: November 4, 2019, 09:03:20 AM »
Before the game i was wondering if he was the right choice for Villa away....would have preferred Keita or Ox personally but as the game went on he did quite well to be honest. I don't think he looked out of place at all and was helping to bring the front 3 into play often

decent performance and much needed minutes taken up by somebody outside of the usual set of players. win-win
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3927 on: November 4, 2019, 09:04:07 AM »
I doubt he'll accept a wage reduction.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3928 on: November 4, 2019, 09:18:48 AM »
I doubt he'll accept a wage reduction.

Well, he probably wont get offered the same wage elsewhere, so it will be a reduction no matter what.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3929 on: November 4, 2019, 09:27:21 AM »
Which again proves how much Klopp values him. He may be taking a paycut as well.

Thought it was quite telling recently that in an interview that Milner mentioned Lallana and Lovren as 2 of the leaders and senior figures in the dressing room.

Very obvious that despite some fans not rating Lallana, he is very highly thought of by the manager and his team mates. People talk about contribution on the pitch over the last few years, and admittedly it's been limited, but I wonder how much he does off the pitch to help the dressing room culture. He is also still a talented player so he's not just being kept as a cheerleader.

In saying all that, I didn't;t think we'd offer him a new contract. I thought we may want to make space for a younger player to grow into that role. Even if we offer Lallana a contract I'm not sure he'll sign. Suspect he may want to see what other offers are out there since it's probably his prime opportunity to get 1st team football, 1 last big contract and/or try another league.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3930 on: November 4, 2019, 09:30:16 AM »
Apparently we can trigger a one-year extension in any case, though I doubt we'd keep him against his will if he were determined to go. 

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3931 on: November 4, 2019, 12:25:04 PM »
Definitely a good option there when we're playing teams who'll surrender possession, but he doesn't have the defensive instincts of Fabinho, or the ability to cover ground to fill in the gaps like the Brazilian.  Not that many do.

Don't disagree with much of that (his positioning for Willock's goal in mid-week was certainly questionable), but he did make five tackles vs Villa which is worth briefly noting. He's not strong, but he is tenacious and he does have an impressive leap for a smaller player.

I don't think it's something we'll see very often in a tough away game to be honest - but it was the right decision not to risk Fabinho ahead of City.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3932 on: November 4, 2019, 12:31:50 PM »
Don't disagree with much of that (his positioning for Willock's goal in mid-week was certainly questionable), but he did make five tackles vs Villa which is worth briefly noting. He's not strong, but he is tenacious and he does have an impressive leap for a smaller player.

I don't think it's something we'll see very often in a tough away game to be honest - but it was the right decision not to risk Fabinho ahead of City.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3933 on: November 4, 2019, 02:11:35 PM »
trigger the extension and get a fee for him?

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3934 on: November 4, 2019, 02:49:31 PM »
As a 6, he has the ability the break the first line of press in a way which Fabinho, Gini and Henderson can't/don't seem to be able to do. Against Villa, he received the ball in very tight spots on several occasions, and while he can feed to the wings like everyone else can, he has very quick footwork and swivelled past the first player on a few occasions which then opened up the pitch for him (and us). Horses for courses, as always, but I do believe he brings something different to our play.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3935 on: November 29, 2019, 02:00:28 PM »
Deserves another shot in the six tomorrow - Gini and Hendo tend to slow us down a bit too much there imo

If he does well I'd use him there in the three Saturday games we have coming up, and Gini in the two tougher midweek games
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3936 on: November 29, 2019, 03:07:40 PM »
He doesnít have the speed to cover is my concern

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3937 on: November 29, 2019, 03:36:44 PM »
He doesnít have the speed to cover is my concern

He did extremely well at Villa.

Only Leicester a good counter attacking team with pace we will playing up until the new year.

Gini isn't blessed with a load of pace neither is Fab really.

Think we would have to trust him and Klopp if he gets picked.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3938 on: November 29, 2019, 05:41:14 PM »
His career at Liverpool has been unreliable and unproductive thus far. His record suggests heís not the guy we want to be relying on for a solution in the midst of a title race (especially at 6 - nothing at all in his career to suggest he can perform that role to a high level), but letís hope he can pull something out of the hat.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3939 on: November 29, 2019, 05:45:46 PM »
He did extremely well at Villa.

Only Leicester a good counter attacking team with pace we will playing up until the new year.

Gini isn't blessed with a load of pace neither is Fab really.

Think we would have to trust him and Klopp if he gets picked.

I'd say the lack of out and out pace is Fabinho's biggest (only?) weakness. The rest of his game more than makes up for it.

Lallana isn't that slow, and has a great engine on him. He'll do a fine job in that role, especially against the likes of Brighton.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3940 on: November 29, 2019, 05:55:38 PM »
His career at Liverpool has been unreliable and unproductive thus far. His record suggests heís not the guy we want to be relying on for a solution in the midst of a title race (especially at 6 - nothing at all in his career to suggest he can perform that role to a high level), but letís hope he can pull something out of the hat.
Heís been injured a fair amount so Iíll give you unreliable, but unproductive is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Had a great 16/17 before the injuries kicked in, and has done well this season when heís been seen against Villa and Man U.

Heís a really good player and can still play his part for us the next few months when called on

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3941 on: November 29, 2019, 06:18:40 PM »
Heís been injured a fair amount so Iíll give you unreliable, but unproductive is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Had a great 16/17 before the injuries kicked in, and has done well this season when heís been seen against Villa and Man U.

Heís a really good player and can still play his part for us the next few months when called on

Heís scored 1? goal since 2016. He looked decent for a bit in a side which hobbled to fourth place. Itís now a team who are European Champions and all the rest - which he has played no part in, despite being a member of the squad. Says a lot. Doesnít fill you with hope that he may be our go to guy.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3942 on: November 29, 2019, 06:22:07 PM »
Deserves another shot in the six tomorrow - Gini and Hendo tend to slow us down a bit too much there imo

If he does well I'd use him there in the three Saturday games we have coming up, and Gini in the two tougher midweek games

Would much prefer Henderson back at 6 for a while.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3943 on: November 29, 2019, 08:33:06 PM »
His career at Liverpool has been unreliable and unproductive thus far. His record suggests heís not the guy we want to be relying on for a solution in the midst of a title race (especially at 6 - nothing at all in his career to suggest he can perform that role to a high level), but letís hope he can pull something out of the hat.

I'm not sure about that. His career has been earmarked by compliments on his workrate, tactical intelligence, tenacity, pressing actions, and skill in tight spaces - all qualities needed at #6. Only question mark should be about his height (because Klopp likes height in there), and his robustness over time.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3944 on: November 29, 2019, 08:56:05 PM »
It's Henderson's recovery speed versus Lallana's positional intelligence I'd have thought. Both are lousy in the air. Henderson is bigger but mistimes his jumps.

But Lallana has these advantages over Hendo. He knows how to press and to dispossess an opponent who is dithering on the ball. He's better on the turn. His passing is superior. He breaks lines. He is much better at receiving the ball under pressure and nullifying an opponent's press. He can turn both ways, being the most two-footed player in the entire Premier League.

Both are super-fit, with Lallana maybe second only to Milner in doing the hard yards. But Hendo must be more match fit at the moment.

Obviously I'd go for Lallana every time, but I can see the case for Hendo. Especially if you're a little bit nervous and want to play safe.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3945 on: November 29, 2019, 10:45:58 PM »
Adam is a good boy. Lallana will get a chance in December.
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« Reply #3946 on: November 29, 2019, 10:55:35 PM »
I hope he plays against Brighton, probably in the 6, the most naturally gifted MF we have.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3947 on: November 30, 2019, 03:55:56 AM »
I'd have to say, I'm not on the "Lallana No.6 bandwagon". But he is one of the options we have. Hendo is another, and I'd prefer him there, but he's been far better as No.8. Gini, same thing, even more so. Miler, I don't think he'd ever play the holding role unless we are down to our bones. I'd give Lallana a chance, but he's more creative than defensive...
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3948 on: November 30, 2019, 05:11:35 PM »
Lallana did some superb running when we went down to 10 men, that was a horrible situation to be in.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3949 on: November 30, 2019, 06:59:57 PM »
I can see the logic in Klopp bringing him on for Mo, trying to get a bit more control in midfield, but it caused us to drop a bit too deep without Mo's pace in behind to worry Brighton.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3950 on: November 30, 2019, 07:38:30 PM »
I can see the logic in Klopp bringing him on for Mo, trying to get a bit more control in midfield, but it caused us to drop a bit too deep without Mo's pace in behind to worry Brighton.

He also got bumped off the ball quite easily several times.

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« Reply #3951 on: November 30, 2019, 07:50:13 PM »
He also got bumped off the ball quite easily several times.
He did but the game changed shortly after he came on with the sending off. Brighton went from dropping off to heavily pressing and with the man less we didnít have time on the ball.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3952 on: December 2, 2019, 07:11:36 AM »
He also got bumped off the ball quite easily several times.

He always does..

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3953 on: December 2, 2019, 11:36:15 AM »
Will probably start on Wednesday

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« Reply #3954 on: December 2, 2019, 11:45:55 AM »
I hope so.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3955 on: December 2, 2019, 11:56:30 AM »
It's Henderson's recovery speed versus Lallana's positional intelligence I'd have thought. Both are lousy in the air. Henderson is bigger but mistimes his jumps.

But Lallana has these advantages over Hendo. He knows how to press and to dispossess an opponent who is dithering on the ball. He's better on the turn. His passing is superior. He breaks lines. He is much better at receiving the ball under pressure and nullifying an opponent's press. He can turn both ways, being the most two-footed player in the entire Premier League.

Both are super-fit, with Lallana maybe second only to Milner in doing the hard yards. But Hendo must be more match fit at the moment.

Obviously I'd go for Lallana every time, but I can see the case for Hendo. Especially if you're a little bit nervous and want to play safe.
I thought the Villa game was a bit of a vindication for you in terms of Lallana as a 6. Yes, there are problems with his physicality that will see Henderson brought in if Klopp anticipates a battle but in a game where the opposition come to sit behind the ball (and credit Potter: his Brighton are not that) then the qualities which you describe that Lallana brings to the table are very useful indeed. I thought he had a big part to play against Villa in terms of keeping them pinned back. By which I mean - of course they came to defend deep, but there's a difference between defending deep with the play in front of you and defending almost around your own box under constant pressure and with no relief and no outball. Lallana kept it moving, kept it moving into space and kept it moving quickly. His two footedness and willingness to pass without taking a touch makes it much harder for defensive lines to readjust - just that little bit of extra space which can make so much difference.