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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3720 on: June 5, 2019, 10:02:34 PM »
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Ok I will put in another way,would be pretty fucking idiotic to tell him we want rid when we know it is doubtful that any club will take the risk

Why are you so upset? It wouldn't be idiotic given that he has a year left on his contract and he can walk out on a free. So if we wanted to get rid, we could tell him that he isn't needed and look to sell him.

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And again,he only made the CL bench because we got to name 12.

I am not arsed why he made the bench, all I am stating is what is clearly written in the article and said by him. I am not debating whether he's able to do anything noteworthy, nor am I advocating for him to be part of major plans.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3721 on: June 5, 2019, 10:07:36 PM »
Not upset,just repeated your idiotic line.

If we get a decent offer we will sell imo,we'd be stupid not to.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3722 on: June 5, 2019, 10:09:27 PM »
He's one of the few in the squad with a unique skill set namely his link up play. If he is happy with his role at the club then I'd love him to stay because 1 he seems to have a good attitude and good person to have in the dressing room. Secondly he provides depth in midfield and can operate in a number of positions.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be offering him a new contract or anything but I'm happy for him to go out on a free next year and retain his abilities on and off the pitch for the upcoming season. It's not like we'd get massive money for him either. Now if what is being reported isn't true and he wants a more prominent role and more minutes then he should look for another club but I am happy either way really.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3723 on: June 5, 2019, 10:14:52 PM »
Not upset,just repeated your idiotic line.

If we get a decent offer we will sell imo,we'd be stupid not to.

Considering the amount of shite you post on a regular basis it is fucking ironic  ;D

There is nothing idiotic about what was said. If we wanted him.gone we would have told him that considering that he has 12 months left on his contract. So we are clearly not under pressure to sell him having already told him that we would like to keep him. Given that hes happy to stay rightly or wrongly no offer is going to change his mind then is it?

As I said this manager has a good history of being honest with all of his players especially with players in situations like this. There wouldnt be a reason to make false promises to him when we can be honest just like we have with other players.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3724 on: June 5, 2019, 10:16:56 PM »
Considering the amount of shite you post on a regular basis it is fucking ironic  ;D

There is nothing idiotic about what was said. If we wanted him.gone we would have told him that considering that he has 12 months left on his contract. So we are clearly not under pressure to sell him having already told him that we would like to keep him. Given that hes happy to stay rightly or wrongly no offer is going to change his mind then is it?

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Re: Adam Lallana
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3726 on: June 5, 2019, 10:35:41 PM »
Not upset,just repeated your idiotic line.

If we get a decent offer we will sell imo,we'd be stupid not to.

That makes no sense. He's under contract and it's up to him not the club if he wants to stay or go
and he's made his mind up.

He's staying and the club want him to stay. Glad he's staying myself. Legend.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3727 on: June 5, 2019, 10:39:22 PM »
I posted this in the transfer thread and it's equally apt here:

He's clearly stating what he believes he's been told.  Everything else is just conjecture.  I don't really care other than it's my opinion that anybody that thinks the club won't add a player because of Lallana is probably in the wrong.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3728 on: June 5, 2019, 10:46:27 PM »
Really pleased to hear Lallana being so positive about staying another season. He'll know the challenge he'll be up against to get a start and that's before we start adding a few more bodies. Great player to call on occassionally and there's literally no point in selling him for 10 mill or whatever he'd get. Far better to have him around to call on in league cup games etc to build up some core fitness. Not sure why there's any beef about it. He wants to stay on... who wouldn't? If a big offer comes in then people will sit down, but for now, he wants to give it a last year with this great set of players.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3729 on: June 5, 2019, 10:47:31 PM »
He has 12 months with option of another. I assume that option is if both parties agree?

Personally think he's more interested in picking up his £120k a week than playing. Can I blame him? Probably not as he won't get half that anywhere else. Finished 2 years ago, less games than Sturridge.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3730 on: June 5, 2019, 10:50:12 PM »
That makes no sense. He's under contract and it's up to him not the club if he wants to stay or go
and he's made his mind up.

He's staying and the club want him to stay. Glad he's staying myself. Legend.


Legend ?   :lmao :lmao

He will be a good squad player nothing more,just like Sturridge was this season (I was always for us keeping him until his contract ran out).
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3731 on: June 5, 2019, 11:02:30 PM »
One for the football romantics. Lallana is a one off. Let's forget he breaks very easily for a moment and admire him for what he is when everything is spinning for the lad. A combination of silk and steel. There are no replicas out there. Fit, he'd walk into my team. I suspect he'd walk into Jurgen's too.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3732 on: June 6, 2019, 12:56:21 AM »
Heís played 700 league minutes total in the last 2 years - itís been a disaster for us and him sadly.
Probably impossible to sell him when heís on 125k a week when he canít get fit enough to play regular top level football so hard to see what our options are with him. Iím sure the staff are encouraging him that he can still be part of things but the reality is likely to be different

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3733 on: June 6, 2019, 03:35:45 AM »
One for the football romantics. Lallana is a one off. Let's forget he breaks very easily for a moment and admire him for what he is when everything is spinning for the lad. A combination of silk and steel. There are no replicas out there. Fit, he'd walk into my team. I suspect he'd walk into Jurgen's too.
Agree with Yorky. A fully fit Adam Lallana has a role to play in this team. The state of our team/squad today - he is one of the many that we can count on unlike before. What's not to like
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3734 on: June 6, 2019, 03:44:33 AM »
The delusion in this thread is hillarious

Yea lets keep someone who can barely get a game on 125k a week. If Lallana stays its not because we want him its because no one else wanted him and he will leave on a free next summer just like Sturridge because we arent going to renew an injury prone player who is on 100k+/week and over 30 years old to sit on the bench week in and week out if they can even make the bench that is

People who honestly believe he isnt for sale is laughable. Pretty sure the club would rather get 10m and get his wages off the books then lose him for free next summer and pay him 125k/week for a year to barely play. Think logically people regardless of what Lallana is being quoted in the press saying.

If you think Mike Gordon and Mike Edwards are that dumb to lose an asset that we barely use for free while paying them ridiculous wages for a year you really dont know how to run a business, which at the end of the day this is. We will do our best to get value if we can, Lallana is probably more than happy to collect his 125k/week doing nothing though but spinning on a bike and getting massages.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3735 on: June 6, 2019, 03:48:59 AM »
We're challenging on all 4 fronts + the Club World Cup next season... it's a busy Christmas schedule and we need all the depth we can get.  Lallana staying will help especially if, touch wood, injury comes along.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3736 on: June 6, 2019, 04:21:43 AM »
The delusion in this thread is hillarious

Yea lets keep someone who can barely get a game on 125k a week. If Lallana stays its not because we want him its because no one else wanted him and he will leave on a free next summer just like Sturridge because we arent going to renew an injury prone player who is on 100k+/week and over 30 years old to sit on the bench week in and week out if they can even make the bench that is

People who honestly believe he isnt for sale is laughable. Pretty sure the club would rather get 10m and get his wages off the books then lose him for free next summer and pay him 125k/week for a year to barely play. Think logically people regardless of what Lallana is being quoted in the press saying.

If you think Mike Gordon and Mike Edwards are that dumb to lose an asset that we barely use for free while paying them ridiculous wages for a year you really dont know how to run a business, which at the end of the day this is. We will do our best to get value if we can, Lallana is probably more than happy to collect his 125k/week doing nothing though but spinning on a bike and getting massages.

Why believe the club and the player when I can believe you?

Considering that we've let how 3 players run down their contracts and leave on a free [Can,Moreno,Sturridge] in the last 12 months, clearly MIke Gordon and Mike Edwards don't know how to run a business based on your logic. We happily let Moreno sit on the bench on his last year, whilst he collected 5 appearances all season long and played 300 minutes worth of football. We didn't sell him despite knowing that we wouldn't extend his contract last summer and we used Milner more than him in his actual position

You have me convinced  :D

In any case, I was expecting him to move on, and I don't believe he'll be able to do anything worthy nor do I think we should depend on him. However, I don't feel the club and the coaching staff would be blatantly disingenuous with him when they haven't been so in the past and I certainly don't feel he would be lying about what he's been told
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3737 on: June 6, 2019, 05:17:53 AM »
I reckon he'll probably be leaving. Another top tier player that just lost the battle to fitness and injuries far too often. He could be a superb buy for a team that plays with a lower intensity that can maximize the minutes they get from him, because the talent is still top-tier, and the question has always been about managing his fitness to the intensity.

All that said, such a good player who was undroppable when Kloppo joined and was playing so well. Even this season, his performance against Burnley was exceptional and if he were to stay for the last year of his contract, he could yet make a contribution in this squad, not unlike Shaq, but I suspect he'd want more minutes.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3738 on: June 6, 2019, 05:54:13 AM »
Agree with Yorky. A fully fit Adam Lallana has a role to play in this team. The state of our team/squad today - he is one of the many that we can count on unlike before. What's not to like

There seems to be some sort of contradiction here. The very reason why he can't be counted on is due to his fitness? I don't dislike Lallana, but he gets so much leeway imo. Sure he's technically gifted and there aren't many who is as silky as him when on the ball. But he lacks end product. People were complaining about the lack of an end product from the likes of Firmino and Keita if I recall correctly. Milner who has always been deemed as the utility player, the grafter has better end product than Lallana.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3739 on: June 6, 2019, 06:28:53 AM »
There seems to be some sort of contradiction here. The very reason why he can't be counted on is due to his fitness? I don't dislike Lallana, but he gets so much leeway imo. Sure he's technically gifted and there aren't many who is as silky as him when on the ball. But he lacks end product. People were complaining about the lack of an end product from the likes of Firmino and Keita if I recall correctly. Milner who has always been deemed as the utility player, the grafter has better end product than Lallana.

Pretty much. Similar to Sturridge.

I actually think we have a fairly good risk-based approach to injury prone players now. That's why we didn't get Fekir, because we didn't want to bet on a 'fully fit Fekir' when the priors suggested that would be a huge risk.

With that said I don't think we really need to sell to buy, so hopefully the impact would be minimal. Best case scenario he makes a difference in a handful of games next season and otherwise isn't relied upon in the same way Sturridge did.

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« Reply #3740 on: June 6, 2019, 06:31:42 AM »
It really is a shame. There is a player in there, but the injuries have absolutely taken a toll on his body. He just can't be relied upon, and I think moving him on is probably best for both parties. He won't get much playing time if he stays and he can go elsewhere and rebuild his career there. If he stays injury free of course.

The reason that we now sit as Champions of Europe is because Klopp became ruthless. For the most part, players that couldn't be relied upon or were deemed not good enough were shifted. I really like Lallana, but to me he just represents those days from 2014 to Klopp's appointment where we were for the most part terrible and had absolutely no idea where we were going as a club. Basically Brendan Rodgers' last days at the club. The last few remnants of that side - Sturridge and Moreno - have now been shifted as well. Lallana is just not good enough to have a serious role in a team that just racked up 97 points in the league and won the Champions League and his injury record suggests that he probably won't even be very effective as a bit-time player as well. So it's probably best if we moved on.
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« Reply #3741 on: June 6, 2019, 06:55:28 AM »
Same as Sturridge in my opinion. Can be a great player on his day, but also very inconsistent with injuries. He's got loads of experience and has enough technical ability to play in the team. I think the club will look at things pragmatically. If a big offer comes in then I think the club will be honest with him. I don't think many clubs will be that interested to be honest. Will be different in 12 months time.

For his part, he needs to have a really strong pre-season and focus on getting back into the first team squad regularly and then when he gets chances, take them.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3742 on: June 6, 2019, 09:02:55 AM »
Aurelio.

Agger.

Sturridge.

Lallana.

All brilliantly skilled players with bodies not built for the game. All of them make me say, 'if only', because the skill and talent quotient of the 4 players is just incredible. One thing I'll say is that they'll all be pleasantly remembered here.

Having said that, I think Lallana has made more out of his career than the rest. It's not backed by stats, but just out of feeling. He was in the PFA Team of the Season when playing for Southampton and he came up from League 1 to Championship to Premier League, to Europa League finals (I remember him playing a part in the group stages, that goal against Bordeaux was sublime), to Champions League finals and he was very good under Klopp in his 1st couple of seasons. If the club is okay with him running down the contract, I'm good with the decision, if only to see a few more moments of his delightful skill on the ball.

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« Reply #3743 on: June 6, 2019, 09:10:13 AM »
Even if he comes in for a few games during the season and plays a part he is worth keeping. He is a good lad that is another model professional who has been unlucky with injuries, players like him are invaluable to a squad and a perfect example for young lads in the team .

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3744 on: June 6, 2019, 09:33:28 AM »
Agree with Yorky. A fully fit Adam Lallana has a role to play in this team. The state of our team/squad today - he is one of the many that we can count on unlike before. What's not to like

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3745 on: June 6, 2019, 09:36:56 AM »
Fit and firing he brings something different to this midfield. Just as long as we keep him off the wings he can do a job for us. If it is for him to go on a free next season then so be it.  If Klopp wanted rid he would have told him

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3746 on: June 6, 2019, 09:42:06 AM »
I'd be surprised if any of our current players actually want to leave. We are possibly on the verge of winning many trophies and every player will want to be a part of that. Like others have said, when he's fully fit, he's a great option to have. I assume we'll be challenging for all the trophies this season and we'll need all the bodies available.

Plus I'm sure someone like Lallana will look at what Origi has done this season (last season I guess now) and think to himself, I could make that impact too, I just have to take my chance when I get it.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3747 on: June 6, 2019, 09:42:47 AM »
Fit and firing he brings something different to this midfield. Just as long as we keep him off the wings he can do a job for us. If it is for him to go on a free next season then so be it.  If Klopp wanted rid he would have told him

When's the last time he's actually been fit and firing? Probably in Klopp's first full season in charge?

Klopp seems to be very loyal to players who have been here since the start of his tenure so probably explains why he'll likely still be with us next season. Like you said if fit and firing he's a great player to have in midfield with the amount of games we'll have next season but can't see his body holding up. He's probably played about 10-15 full games over the last 2 season and he's now another year older

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« Reply #3748 on: June 6, 2019, 09:57:32 AM »
I think Lallana will be given the Sturridge treatment - allowed to run his contract down. Partially because of the goodwill he's earned with the club, partially because there won't be much interest in him. And his availability will be seen as a bonus, useful for cup games and as a sub.

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« Reply #3749 on: June 6, 2019, 10:03:54 AM »
Why believe the club and the player when I can believe you?

Considering that we've let how 3 players run down their contracts and leave on a free [Can,Moreno,Sturridge] in the last 12 months, clearly MIke Gordon and Mike Edwards don't know how to run a business based on your logic. We happily let Moreno sit on the bench on his last year, whilst he collected 5 appearances all season long and played 300 minutes worth of football. We didn't sell him despite knowing that we wouldn't extend his contract last summer and we used Milner more than him in his actual position

You have me convinced  :D

In any case, I was expecting him to move on, and I don't believe he'll be able to do anything worthy nor do I think we should depend on him. However, I don't feel the club and the coaching staff would be blatantly disingenuous with him when they haven't been so in the past and I certainly don't feel he would be lying about what he's been told
Don't kid yourself. We would have sold Moreno and Sturridge if we would have gotten any bids,but no one would even nearly match their salaries here. I don't blame anyone, these things happen in football, but it's naive to suggest that it was part of the plan from the club's side. We have to honor the contracts, we're not deciding.

In Lallanas case I'm sure we'd let him go for peanuts if anyone would match his wages, but it's unlikely to happen so he'll likely sit out his contract.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3750 on: June 6, 2019, 10:17:57 AM »
I think Lallana will be given the Sturridge treatment - allowed to run his contract down. Partially because of the goodwill he's earned with the club, partially because there won't be much interest in him. And his availability will be seen as a bonus, useful for cup games and as a sub.

I believe some of the other posters. If someone offered £15m he'd be gone tomorrow. Best bid would probably be <£5m and for that Klopp probably thinks he'll be useful for another year, probably off the pitch more than on.

Don't kid yourself. We would have sold Moreno and Sturridge if we would have gotten any bids,but no one would even nearly match their salaries here. I don't blame anyone, these things happen in football, but it's naive to suggest that it was part of the plan from the club's side. We have to honor the contracts, we're not deciding.

In Lallanas case I'm sure we'd let him go for peanuts if anyone would match his wages, but it's unlikely to happen so he'll likely sit out his contract.

Will be same with Mignolet.I suspect Adam and Simon will be here next year simply because they don't want to take a wage cut.

When you play average players or injury prone players too much it's hard to get rid of them. Utd will struggle to get rid of the like of Phil Jones etc for same reason.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3751 on: June 6, 2019, 10:21:44 AM »
But judging from Klopp's statement about Sturridge and Moreno, those guys, who were both running down their contracts, were valued not only for the occasional contribution they made but for their attitude and the input they made to squad morale. It's said Klopp values physicality over technique, but it's also true that he values "character" and contribution to squad camaraderie over bean-counting.

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« Reply #3752 on: June 6, 2019, 10:27:09 AM »
I believe some of the other posters. If someone offered £15m he'd be gone tomorrow. Best bid would probably be <£5m and for that Klopp probably thinks he'll be useful for another year, probably off the pitch more than on.

Will be same with Mignolet.I suspect Adam and Simon will be here next year simply because they don't want to take a wage cut.

When you play average players or injury prone players too much it's hard to get rid of them. Utd will struggle to get rid of the like of Phil Jones etc for same reason.
As insane as it sounds,  Phil Jones was given a new 4 year contract just a few months ago.
At 150 k per week.
So yeah, he'll stay for a while  ;D

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3753 on: June 6, 2019, 10:28:36 AM »
But judging from Klopp's statement about Sturridge and Moreno, those guys, who were both running down their contracts, were valued not only for the occasional contribution they made but for their attitude and the input they made to squad morale. It's said Klopp values physicality over technique, but it's also true that he values "character" and contribution to squad camaraderie over bean-counting.
It's also true that he always says nice things about his players.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3754 on: June 6, 2019, 10:28:49 AM »
But judging from Klopp's statement about Sturridge and Moreno, those guys, who were both running down their contracts, were valued not only for the occasional contribution they made but for their attitude and the input they made to squad morale. It's said Klopp values physicality over technique, but it's also true that he values "character" and contribution to squad camaraderie over bean-counting.

I think it's exactly that. There will be a price set for Adam where it will be too good to turn down. But who's going to pay anything over £5m for him with the wages he's on? Can't see it. I suppose they may pay more but we'd have to pay off his loss in wages? So either way we wouldn't be making much from any deal. The money being talked about won't be enough for Klopp due to how much of a nice guy he is to have around for another year.



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« Reply #3755 on: June 6, 2019, 10:30:16 AM »
As insane as it sounds,  Phil Jones was given a new 4 year contract just a few months ago.
At 150 k per week.
So yeah, he'll stay for a while  ;D

They are us several years ago. It's brilliant to see.
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« Reply #3756 on: June 6, 2019, 10:53:11 AM »
They are us several years ago. It's brilliant to see.

IMHO, I think they missed a major trick in not trying to get Pochettino. instead they went with a sentimental favourite who is an otherwise bang average manager who I don't think will last all of next season.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3757 on: June 6, 2019, 11:00:30 AM »
But judging from Klopp's statement about Sturridge and Moreno, those guys, who were both running down their contracts, were valued not only for the occasional contribution they made but for their attitude and the input they made to squad morale. It's said Klopp values physicality over technique, but it's also true that he values "character" and contribution to squad camaraderie over bean-counting.

It would be funnier if heíd said Ďfuckers loafed round here picking up 6 million a year to tit around on hover boards but we couldnít get any fucker to take them theyíre so shotí .... but not that likely
Donít think thereís a world where Klopp actively wants people who canít contribute on the pitch but are good lads

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« Reply #3758 on: June 6, 2019, 11:37:51 AM »
Don't kid yourself. We would have sold Moreno and Sturridge if we would have gotten any bids,but no one would even nearly match their salaries here. I don't blame anyone, these things happen in football, but it's naive to suggest that it was part of the plan from the club's side. We have to honor the contracts, we're not deciding.

In Lallanas case I'm sure we'd let him go for peanuts if anyone would match his wages, but it's unlikely to happen so he'll likely sit out his contract.

Missing the point entirely. We told him he is part of whatever plans we have whether it be for cup games or whatever. We dont have to lie to a player when he is already got one year left on his deal. There is no reason for the staff to tell him one thing and do another. Its very clear that Klopp and his staff have been honest with players about their situations.


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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3759 on: June 6, 2019, 11:44:32 AM »
Heís staying get used to it, some of you just want to replace every player and by buy the whole world, thatís not how our club or Klopp works, how many of you were saying Origi wasnít good enough even after the goals against Barcelona? Weíre not a normal club and sentiment loyalty and passion goes a long way for us, itís one of the reasons why this squad is so united, and we can get the best out of players like Odoi and Shaqiri without much complaints of game time.
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