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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3680 on: March 11, 2019, 06:07:19 PM »
think having him on the pitch gets the best out of Bobby too as it allows Bobby to press higher up the pitch

It was the conversation he was having with Mane in the second half that was really noticeable. When a player like Lallana is on the pitch he has a greater sense of what is possible than someone like Henderson. Because he's extremely comfortable taking the ball in what looks like a crowded area he knows - or at least expects - that his teammates are too. So in the second half he kept feeding Mane passes which other midfielders would have declined ("too difficult for the receiver").

This is partly what makes great teams. It isn't so much that players have the mythical telepathic understanding. It's the simple fact that they have raised expectations of what is possible as a team based on their own skill as individuals.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3681 on: March 11, 2019, 07:01:43 PM »
You say that yet I have seen very little evidence that managers do.  Otherwise you'd find that substitutions would be much more effective than they typically are no? 


Two things. Firstly, you're assuming your knowledge of the game is equal to theirs. It's not. Your vision of the game is severely limited by your knowledge of the game and your experience in it - as it is for probably 90% of all spectators. Secondly, I did say "seeing it and changing it are two different things". You can only make effective changes if you have the players to make effective changes with.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3682 on: March 11, 2019, 07:22:49 PM »
It was the conversation he was having with Mane in the second half that was really noticeable. When a player like Lallana is on the pitch he has a greater sense of what is possible than someone like Henderson. Because he's extremely comfortable taking the ball in what looks like a crowded area he knows - or at least expects - that his teammates are too. So in the second half he kept feeding Mane passes which other midfielders would have declined ("too difficult for the receiver").

This is partly what makes great teams. It isn't so much that players have the mythical telepathic understanding. It's the simple fact that they have raised expectations of what is possible as a team based on their own skill as individuals.
Bit of a shame you somehow put Jordan in that nice post of yours. They have utterly different functions in the game. You just cant control a ball in crowded area in front of of the defence. You can do it furder forward as there is no risk to lose it. I think you are harsh to compare Hendo and Lallana recieving balls in totally diferent spaces. Even Klopp said he doesnt like his controlling midfielder taking any chance while getting a ball from defenders.

We know Adam is much more technical than Jordan - but would you like to see Lallana playing holding midfield, turning left right and centre? I deffo wouldnt.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3683 on: March 11, 2019, 07:43:48 PM »
Two things. Firstly, you're assuming your knowledge of the game is equal to theirs. It's not. Your vision of the game is severely limited by your knowledge of the game and your experience in it - as it is for probably 90% of all spectators. Secondly, I did say "seeing it and changing it are two different things". You can only make effective changes if you have the players to make effective changes with.

Well I'm sure not for the first and I'd guess last time either you'd assume wrong.  Funny how it works with assumptions.  But I digress.

Where your assumption is wrong is that I don't believe that it's even possible to say with even 1% certainty that by doing X will give you result Y when it comes to player substitutions.  The variables are huge and the amount of instances where you have the same exact scenario characteristics are 1 in a 10000000 maybe?  Same minute of the game, same opponent, same score line, exact same players, same level of fatigue, same stadium even?  Weather?  It's never exactly the same.  So managers smarter than me and more experienced than me will have a better understanding than me to make the most informed choice possible.  Does that mean that if they had the exact player needed for the situation they would be 100% right every time?  I would guess probably not.  And then even for there not being a "perfect" choice available for a professional level manager, he or she is with those 7 substitutes every day for possibly years and should know the best possible use for those players right?  And yet I can't recall any manager being lauded for consistent use of subs to the point where they're considered for a better job or people want to hire away their assistants to learn the secret sauce they use.  Making consistent changes to improve your teams chances of winning would seem pretty important no?

Anyway, I know this is claimed as something knowledgeable after every game for good or ill in that Klopp did this right or this wrong.  I don't normally care.  But if some poster is going to throw it in my face when I didn't even say anything about it then I'm going to laugh and laugh at them as it's a joke.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3684 on: March 11, 2019, 11:13:44 PM »
Was worth his weight in gold on Sunday. A supporting midfielder with a perfect first touch and positive aggression is so useful for this entire team.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3685 on: March 12, 2019, 01:38:43 AM »
Provided a link between midfield and attack - something we've barely had this season with Ox out and Keita not settling.

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« Reply #3686 on: March 12, 2019, 02:14:32 AM »
That fake that he pulled following a short corner was breath taking.  Probably one of the best in the game at that.

If Lallana can stay fit and offer this same kind of energy and creativity to our play consistently, he could be a big factor in the remaining games.

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« Reply #3687 on: March 12, 2019, 08:20:27 AM »
Brilliant when in midfield. Even when not in top form, always offers a something. When in top form, just about perfect for our midfield.

But Jurgen - please dont ever play him as part of the front 3.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3688 on: March 12, 2019, 08:33:46 AM »
Like signing a new player, hope he stays fit.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3689 on: March 12, 2019, 02:24:52 PM »
Give those German lads something to think about.
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« Reply #3690 on: March 12, 2019, 02:30:23 PM »
People raving about his pressing and his technique. Both are true.

But what really stood out is his off-the-ball movement. When we were building the play, he'd drop deep to make himself available for a pass and knit the play together. When we were in the final third, he was making runs in between the lines...
Something that struck me watching the first half back is something we talked about a few pages back when discussing Keita Vs Milner Vs Hendo, after the Leicester or West Ham game, I think.

And it's that Lallana is another player who not only doesn't need space, but actively puts himself into places where there isn't any, because he backs himself not to lose the ball if it's given to him there. This means that 1) He is constantly 'involved', even when he's not on the ball - he occupies defenders by invading their zone. This means those defenders can't move to cover problems elsewhere, which then 2) Creates space for others to use. And this was a very noticeable aspect of that off-the-ball running. Not only were the front three able to stay higher because they had another player feeding them possession in dangerous areas, they also had more space to use in those areas because they weren't the only ones occupying that back 4.

As an aside, another moment I absolutely loved was when he overlapped Robertson in the first 10 minutes or so and put in an almost inch-perfect cross first time, on the run, with his left foot. His balance and two-footedness is wonderful, and there's very, very few players who can cross like that on their weaker foot.

He's a lovely footballer when he's on it. Not the kind of footballer that kids want to be, but the kind of footballer you want to show to kids to show them how to be footballers.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3691 on: March 12, 2019, 02:39:28 PM »
think having him on the pitch gets the best out of Bobby too as it allows Bobby to press higher up the pitch
Actually, thinking about it, players who allow other players to play higher up the pitch are some of the very best players to have, and it starts in goal.

Alisson pushes a defensive line 5-10 yards higher because he's so good off his line.
VVD and Gomez add another 5-10 because their recovery pace is so damn good and they're so comfortable in possession.
Robertson and Trent Keep that solid, and keep teams hemmed in because they can act as auxiliary wingers while still maintaining that defensive line.
Fabinho, again, a player that physically dominates his zone but has the technical skills to get it to players in their zones. He's the one who allows the 8s to focus on creating attacking opportunities.

And then the 8s themselves - and what a difference it makes when it's them circulating the ball to the front 3 who are all occupying the opposition back 4, rather than having to either drop deep all the time to get the ball, or move ahead of play all the time to create a threat.

And the difference it makes when Bobby is harrassing their CBs rather than their DM - you're right that it's no coincidence that Firmino's own performance was off-the-charts good against Burnley. I mean he was fucking magnificent, just a relentless engine of threat creation.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3692 on: March 12, 2019, 02:47:33 PM »
Bit of a shame you somehow put Jordan in that nice post of yours. They have utterly different functions in the game. You just cant control a ball in crowded area in front of of the defence. You can do it furder forward as there is no risk to lose it. I think you are harsh to compare Hendo and Lallana recieving balls in totally diferent spaces. Even Klopp said he doesnt like his controlling midfielder taking any chance while getting a ball from defenders.

We know Adam is much more technical than Jordan - but would you like to see Lallana playing holding midfield, turning left right and centre? I deffo wouldnt.

You need to re-read Yorky's post.

He wasn't comparing Lallana and Henderson's reception of passes in tight areas. He was comparing their ability / inclination to make passes to players who are in tight areas themselves (Mane  in this example)

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3693 on: April 30, 2019, 01:49:12 PM »
Is he back training yet?

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3694 on: May 1, 2019, 10:10:44 AM »
Is he back training yet?

No. He's more injury prone than Sturridge. No idea if we'll be able to shift him in the summer. May have to let him leave on a free, no one will pay and offer him the wages he's on here. Shame as when he's really fit and had a long run of games he's a really good player. But like Sturridge if they can't keep themselves fit it's pointless.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3695 on: May 1, 2019, 10:17:24 AM »
No. He's more injury prone than Sturridge. No idea if we'll be able to shift him in the summer. May have to let him leave on a free, no one will pay and offer him the wages he's on here. Shame as when he's really fit and had a long run of games he's a really good player. But like Sturridge if they can't keep themselves fit it's pointless.

Can see him finishing his career at Southampton so I wouldn't be surprised if he went there in the summer.  He does not have the durability to play the way we play and that is a real shame as he is a diamond player.  He is 31 next week so he needs to move on and we need younger stock in the stable

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3696 on: May 1, 2019, 10:21:28 AM »
Hes a bit of a passenger at this stage. Unfortunate as when in form hes a very good player but hes had constant injuries for the last 2 seasons now (hes managed 700 mins of PL football across both seasons).

I imagine the club may look to move him on this summer but id not be surprised to see him stay until hes out of contract in summer 2020.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3697 on: May 1, 2019, 10:28:43 AM »
No. He's more injury prone than Sturridge. No idea if we'll be able to shift him in the summer. May have to let him leave on a free, no one will pay and offer him the wages he's on here. Shame as when he's really fit and had a long run of games he's a really good player. But like Sturridge if they can't keep themselves fit it's pointless.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3698 on: May 1, 2019, 10:50:12 AM »
Can see him finishing his career at Southampton so I wouldn't be surprised if he went there in the summer.  He does not have the durability to play the way we play and that is a real shame as he is a diamond player.  He is 31 next week so he needs to move on and we need younger stock in the stable
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I could see him going to Bournemouth though where he started his career.

Maybe we could get a Ibe type fee off them. :D
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3699 on: May 1, 2019, 11:01:44 AM »
Can't see us shifting him with his wages unless we do a deal for him to leave and take no fee. He's been handy a couple of times this season but the clue is in the number of appearances - a couple. We're well stocked in midfield and you'd think a fit Milner in his final season will be have more games.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3700 on: May 1, 2019, 11:08:15 AM »
Hes a bit of a passenger at this stage. Unfortunate as when in form hes a very good player but hes had constant injuries for the last 2 seasons now (hes managed 700 mins of PL football across both seasons).

I imagine the club may look to move him on this summer but id not be surprised to see him stay until hes out of contract in summer 2020.

It's got contract expiry and a free written all over it, as well as an even lower possibility of minutes if fit.

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« Reply #3701 on: May 1, 2019, 12:37:00 PM »
I think he'll see out his contract. In fairness if he can get a good preseason under his belt, then he's a decent squad player to have in case of other injuries. However, I can't see him getting regular starts any more. The team has outgrown him and he's 31 now, which means he's very much on the decline physically.

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« Reply #3702 on: May 1, 2019, 04:26:04 PM »
Can see him finishing his career at Southampton so I wouldn't be surprised if he went there in the summer.  He does not have the durability to play the way we play and that is a real shame as he is a diamond player.  He is 31 next week so he needs to move on and we need younger stock in the stable
The fans absolutely resent him so that would be interesting.

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« Reply #3703 on: May 1, 2019, 04:40:21 PM »
The fans absolutely resent him so that would be interesting.
Haha, yeah back to the 30,000 who like nothing better than to sing 'Adam Lallana, we fucking hate you'

I can see that working

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« Reply #3704 on: May 1, 2019, 05:22:48 PM »
The fans absolutely resent him so that would be interesting.

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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3705 on: May 2, 2019, 03:14:07 AM »
Unfortunely Lallana is finished at the top level, he is't even good enough as a sub for us to make an impact so I think it is finally time to park away.
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« Reply #3706 on: May 2, 2019, 06:58:23 AM »
Nobody is going to buy him, so he may just run his contract down and retire.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3707 on: May 2, 2019, 12:48:18 PM »
Unfortunely Lallana is finished at the top level, he is't even good enough as a sub for us to make an impact so I think it is finally time to park away.
The lad just needs to stay fit and if that's even possible, then get a run of games in midfield as he is quite useless as part of the front 3. In terms of quality he is good enough. Did you see his game vs Burnley? Was playing like a man possessed off the ball and was quality on it and help dig us out when we conceded the 1st goal and was probably MOTM - really helped elevated the whole team's play both ways. Then backed it up against Fulham but got injured again...


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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3708 on: May 2, 2019, 01:09:16 PM »
Palace or Bournemouth can take him for 40m in summer. they are good at that

Yeah, we'd be lucky to get 12 million for him, as he seems to be gone as an actual footballer.
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Re: Adam Lallana
« Reply #3710 on: June 5, 2019, 09:30:54 PM »
He isn't leaving

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/adam-lallana-liverpool-transfer-news-16385104

He won't have a say in it, if Jurgen and the committee find a suitable replacement he'll be gone

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« Reply #3711 on: June 5, 2019, 09:31:56 PM »
He won't have a say in it, if Jurgen and the committee find a suitable replacement he'll be gone

Would help if you read the article mate

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« Reply #3712 on: June 5, 2019, 09:35:28 PM »
Would help if you read the article mate

" And the gaffer and his staff and the recruitment guys have all made it clear they know I have a big part to play with what's to come next, so I'm buzzing with that"

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« Reply #3713 on: June 5, 2019, 09:35:56 PM »
He won't have a say in it, if Jurgen and the committee find a suitable replacement he'll be gone
He's got a contract so he's absolutely staying if that's what he wants.

Hopefully (big if though) he can get fit, lovely player when he is.

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« Reply #3714 on: June 5, 2019, 09:38:38 PM »
Would help if you read the article mate

" And the gaffer and his staff and the recruitment guys have all made it clear they know I have a big part to play with what's to come next, so I'm buzzing with that"

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They'll have said the same to all the under contract 1st team squad.
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« Reply #3715 on: June 5, 2019, 09:39:35 PM »
He won't have a say in it, if Jurgen and the committee find a suitable replacement he'll be gone

Im not sure it works like that.
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« Reply #3716 on: June 5, 2019, 09:43:45 PM »
They'll have said the same to all the under contract 1st team squad.

Right, because we've never told anyone that they aren't part of our plans who were under contract under Klopp's reign, that's never happened.  ;D

We have no reason to tell someone that they're part of their plan if that isn't the case. That would be idiotic.

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« Reply #3717 on: June 5, 2019, 09:48:57 PM »
Right, because we've never told anyone that they aren't part of our plans who were under contract under Klopp's reign, that's never happened.  ;D

We have no reason to tell someone that they're part of their plan if that isn't the case. That would be idiotic.


The plan is pretty broad in this case though isn't it,even if fit I doubt he will get many starts or even minutes,our progression has surpassed him imo.He only made the CL bench because we named 12
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« Reply #3718 on: June 5, 2019, 09:51:49 PM »
The plan is pretty broad in this case though isn't it,even if fit I doubt he will get many starts or even minutes,our progression has surpassed him imo.

You have no idea of knowing that, neither do I. Ultimately the club and the coaching staff know enough about the players at hand about what they want with them and whether or not they can get what they require. They've would have already known whether or not they want to use any player by the time end of the season arrives. Ala Sturridge and Moreno who both had expiring contracts and we made our minds up that we weren't going to be offering new contracts to use them going forward.

Whatever the plan is, the coaching staff and the club don't have a reason to be disingenuous with a player and tell him one thing whilst doing another

Klopp has a record of being pretty honest with everyone here, whether he wants them to stay,leave,etc..


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« Reply #3719 on: June 5, 2019, 09:55:26 PM »
You have no idea of knowing that, neither do I. Ultimately the club and the coaching staff know enough about the players at hand about what they want with them and whether or not they can get what they require. They've would have already known whether or not they want to use any player by the time end of the season arrives. Ala Sturridge and Moreno who both had expiring contracts and we made our minds up that we weren't going to be offering new contracts to use them going forward.

Whatever the plan is, the coaching staff and the club don't have a reason to be disingenuous with a player and tell him one thing whilst doing another

Klopp has a record of being pretty honest with everyone here, whether he wants them to stay,leave,etc..


Ok I will put in another way,would be pretty fucking idiotic to tell him we want rid when we know it is doubtful that any club will take the risk,has fuck all to do with being disingenuous,plans change and were we to get an even half decent offer for him we would sell and put his wages to better use.

And again,he only made the CL bench because we got to name 12.
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