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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4320 on: March 6, 2018, 05:22:11 pm »
They were up by 17 in 3rd at some point. On another note, I really like how Lonzo has been developing his game. He is looking like a taller Jason Kidd. Can steal, block, rebound for a PG and now his shooting has improved a lot.

He's surprisingly good on defense. Maybe him and DLo would have worked out. Lonzo's playing like the guy from UCLA on O now too, good on/off numbers are starting to show. He's doing 10-7-7 this year as a 20 year old, his floor is probably a 15-9-9 guy with top defense and a profound impact on the team's offense. I think Lakers fans can be very happy with their pick.
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« Reply #4321 on: March 7, 2018, 09:47:49 am »
Brave of Kevin Love to publicly mention this, hope he gets the help and gets much healthier.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-everyone-is-going-through-something/

“Everyone is Going Through Something” by Kevin Love

On November 5th, right after halftime against the Hawks, I had a panic attack.

It came out of nowhere. I’d never had one before. I didn’t even know if they were real. But it was real — as real as a broken hand or a sprained ankle. Since that day, almost everything about the way I think about my mental health has changed.

I’ve never been comfortable sharing much about myself. I turned 29 in September and for pretty much 29 years of my life I have been protective about anything and everything in my inner life. I was comfortable talking about basketball — but that came natural. It was much harder to share personal stuff, and looking back now I know I could have really benefited from having someone to talk to over the years. But I didn’t share — not to my family, not to my best friends, not in public. Today, I’ve realized I need to change that. I want to share some of my thoughts about my panic attack and what’s happened since. If you’re suffering silently like I was, then you know how it can feel like nobody really gets it. Partly, I want to do it for me, but mostly, I want to do it because people don’t talk about mental health enough. And men and boys are probably the farthest behind.

I know it from experience. Growing up, you figure out really quickly how a boy is supposed to act. You learn what it takes to “be a man.” It’s like a playbook: Be strong. Don’t talk about your feelings. Get through it on your own. So for 29 years of my life, I followed that playbook. And look, I’m probably not telling you anything new here. These values about men and toughness are so ordinary that they’re everywhere … and invisible at the same time, surrounding us like air or water. They’re a lot like depression or anxiety in that way.

So for 29 years, I thought about mental health as someone else’s problem. Sure, I knew on some level that some people benefited from asking for help or opening up. I just never thought it was for me. To me, it was form of weakness that could derail my success in sports or make me seem weird or different.

Then came the panic attack.

It happened during a game.

It was November 5th, two months and three days after I turned 29. We were at home against the Hawks — 10th game of the season. A perfect storm of things was about to collide. I was stressed about issues I’d been having with my family. I wasn’t sleeping well. On the court, I think the expectations for the season, combined with our 4–5 start, were weighing on me.

I knew something was wrong almost right after tip-off.

I was winded within the first few possessions. That was strange. And my game was just off. I played 15 minutes of the first half and made one basket and two free throws.

After halftime, it all hit the fan. Coach Lue called a timeout in the third quarter. When I got to the bench, I felt my heart racing faster than usual. Then I was having trouble catching my breath. It’s hard to describe, but everything was spinning, like my brain was trying to climb out of my head. The air felt thick and heavy. My mouth was like chalk. I remember our assistant coach yelling something about a defensive set. I nodded, but I didn’t hear much of what he said. By that point, I was freaking out. When I got up to walk out of the huddle, I knew I couldn’t reenter the game — like, literally couldn’t do it physically.

Coach Lue came up to me. I think he could sense something was wrong. I blurted something like, “I’ll be right back,” and I ran back to the locker room. I was running from room to room, like I was looking for something I couldn’t find. Really I was just hoping my heart would stop racing. It was like my body was trying to say to me, You’re about to die. I ended up on the floor in the training room, lying on my back, trying to get enough air to breathe.

The next part was a blur. Someone from the Cavs accompanied me to the Cleveland Clinic. They ran a bunch of tests. Everything seemed to check out, which was a relief. But I remember leaving the hospital thinking, Wait … then what the hell just happened?

I was back for our next game against the Bucks two days later. We won, and I had 32. I remember how relieved I was to be back on the court and feeling more like myself. But I distinctly remember being more relieved than anything that nobody had found out why I had left the game against Atlanta. A few people in the organization knew, sure, but most people didn’t and no one had written about it.

A few more days passed. Things were going great on the court, but something was weighing on me.

Why was I so concerned with people finding out?

It was a wake-up call, that moment. I’d thought the hardest part was over after I had the panic attack. It was the opposite. Now I was left wondering why it happened — and why I didn’t want to talk about it.

Call it a stigma or call it fear or insecurity — you can call it a number of things — but what I was worried about wasn’t just my own inner struggles but how difficult it was to talk about them. I didn’t want people to perceive me as somehow less reliable as a teammate, and it all went back to the playbook I’d learned growing up.

This was new territory for me, and it was pretty confusing. But I was certain about one thing: I couldn’t bury what had happened and try to move forward. As much as part of me wanted to, I couldn’t allow myself to dismiss the panic attack and everything underneath it. I didn’t want to have to deal with everything sometime in the future, when it might be worse. I knew that much.

So I did one seemingly little thing that turned out to be a big thing. The Cavs helped me find a therapist, and I set up an appointment. I gotta stop right here and just say: I’m the last person who’d have thought I’d be seeing a therapist. I remember when I was two or three years into the league, a friend asked me why NBA players didn’t see therapists. I scoffed at the idea. No way any of us is gonna talk to someone. I was 20 or 21 years old, and I’d grown up around basketball. And on basketball teams? Nobody talked about what they were struggling with on the inside. I remember thinking, What are my problems? I’m healthy. I play basketball for a living. What do I have to worry about? I’d never heard of any pro athlete talking about mental health, and I didn’t want to be the only one. I didn’t want to look weak. Honestly, I just didn’t think I needed it. It’s like the playbook said — figure it out on your own, like everyone else around me always had.

But it’s kind of strange when you think about it. In the NBA, you have trained professionals to fine-tune your life in so many areas. Coaches, trainers and nutritionists have had a presence in my life for years. But none of those people could help me in the way I needed when I was lying on the floor struggling to breathe.

Still, I went to my first appointment with the therapist with some skepticism. I had one foot out the door. But he surprised me. For one thing, basketball wasn’t the main focus. He had a sense that the NBA wasn’t the main reason I was there that day, which turned out to be refreshing. Instead, we talked about a range of non-basketball things, and I realized how many issues come from places that you may not realize until you really look into them. I think it’s easy to assume we know ourselves, but once you peel back the layers it’s amazing how much there is to still discover.

Since then, we’ve met up whenever I was back in town, probably a few times each month. One of the biggest breakthroughs happened one day in December when we got to talking about my Grandma Carol. She was the pillar of our family. Growing up, she lived with us, and in a lot of ways she was like another parent to me and my brother and sister. She was the woman who had a shrine to each of her grandkids in her room — pictures, awards, letters pinned up on the wall. And she was someone with simple values that I admired. It was funny, I once gave her a random pair of new Nikes, and she was so blown away that she called me to say thank you a handful of times over the year that followed.

When I made the NBA, she was getting older, and I didn’t see her as often as I used to. During my sixth year with the T-Wolves, Grandma Carol made plans to visit me in Minnesota for Thanksgiving. Then right before the trip, she was hospitalized for an issue with her arteries. She had to cancel her trip. Then her condition got worse quickly, and she fell into a coma. A few days later, she was gone.

I was devastated for a long time. But I hadn’t really ever talked about it. Telling a stranger about my grandma made me see how much pain it was still causing me. Digging into it, I realized that what hurt most was not being able to say a proper goodbye. I’d never had a chance to really grieve, and I felt terrible that I hadn’t been in better touch with her in her last years. But I had buried those emotions since her passing and said to myself, I have to focus on basketball. I’ll deal with it later. Be a man.

The reason I’m telling you about my grandma isn’t really even about her. I still miss her a ton and I’m probably still grieving in a way, but I wanted to share that story because of how eye-opening it was to talk about it. In the short time I’ve been meeting with the therapist, I’ve seen the power of saying things out loud in a setting like that. And it’s not some magical process. It’s terrifying and awkward and hard, at least in my experience so far. I know you don’t just get rid of problems by talking about them, but I’ve learned that over time maybe you can better understand them and make them more manageable. Look, I’m not saying, Everyone go see a therapist. The biggest lesson for me since November wasn’t about a therapist — it was about confronting the fact that I needed help.

One of the reasons I wanted to write this comes from reading DeMar’s comments last week about depression. I’ve played against DeMar for years, but I never could’ve guessed that he was struggling with anything. It really makes you think about how we are all walking around with experiences and struggles — all kinds of things — and we sometimes think we’re the only ones going through them. The reality is that we probably have a lot in common with what our friends and colleagues and neighbors are dealing with. So I’m not saying everyone should share all their deepest secrets — not everything should be public and it’s every person’s choice. But creating a better environment for talking about mental health … that’s where we need to get to.

Because just by sharing what he shared, DeMar probably helped some people — and maybe a lot more people than we know — feel like they aren’t crazy or weird to be struggling with depression. His comments helped take some power away from that stigma, and I think that’s where the hope is.

I want to make it clear that I don’t have things figured out about all of this. I’m just starting to do the hard work of getting to know myself. For 29 years, I avoided that. Now, I’m trying to be truthful with myself. I’m trying to be good to the people in my life. I’m trying to face the uncomfortable stuff in life while also enjoying, and being grateful for, the good stuff. I’m trying to embrace it all, the good, bad and ugly.

I want to end with something I’m trying to remind myself about these days: Everyone is going through something that we can’t see.

I want to write that again: Everyone is going through something that we can’t see.

The thing is, because we can’t see it, we don’t know who’s going through what and we don’t know when and we don’t always know why. Mental health is an invisible thing, but it touches all of us at some point or another. It’s part of life. Like DeMar said, “You never know what that person is going through.”

Mental health isn’t just an athlete thing. What you do for a living doesn’t have to define who you are. This is an everyone thing. No matter what our circumstances, we’re all carrying around things that hurt — and they can hurt us if we keep them buried inside. Not talking about our inner lives robs us of really getting to know ourselves and robs us of the chance to reach out to others in need. So if you’re reading this and you’re having a hard time, no matter how big or small it seems to you, I want to remind you that you’re not weird or different for sharing what you’re going through.

Just the opposite. It could be the most important thing you do. It was for me.
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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4322 on: March 7, 2018, 09:50:10 am »
To me this also shows how much of a dick Isaiah Thomas was to call him out and say “he is faking injuries” at him in locker room when reality was he had struggles with panic attack and he needed help.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4323 on: March 7, 2018, 10:32:20 am »
To me this also shows how much of a dick Isaiah Thomas was to call him out and say “he is faking injuries” at him in locker room when reality was he had struggles with panic attack and he needed help.
yup, probably also explains why they binned him off so quickly

Fair play to love for this tho

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« Reply #4324 on: March 7, 2018, 10:52:48 am »
yup, probably also explains why they binned him off so quickly

Fair play to love for this tho
Same goes to Wade despite being buddies with Lebron. Him and IT were the ones who called out Love in locker room and fair play to Cavs management to not tolerate crap like that.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4325 on: March 7, 2018, 12:04:26 pm »
Mudiay is 3-25 from the field in his last 3 games.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4326 on: March 7, 2018, 12:48:44 pm »
Same goes to Wade despite being buddies with Lebron. Him and IT were the ones who called out Love in locker room and fair play to Cavs management to not tolerate crap like that.

Nobody knew about what he was going through though so I’m not sure it’s really fair to blame someone for something that happens regularly (teammates calling out each other) in any struggling team, in any sport, around the world. 

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« Reply #4327 on: March 7, 2018, 12:57:14 pm »
Nobody knew about what he was going through though so I’m not sure it’s really fair to blame someone for something that happens regularly (teammates calling out each other) in any struggling team, in any sport, around the world. 
Well, they have asked about his whereabouts and assistant coaches told players about the situation, IT has told to Kev later he was faking mental health issues and says he just doesn’t want to play.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4328 on: March 7, 2018, 01:21:49 pm »
Marcus Smart has been fined $15,000 for public criticism of the officiating.

The comments were made following the Celtics’ 123-120 loss to the Houston Rockets on Saturday, March 3 at Toyota Center.

Smart was critical of the way James Harden is officiated.

"When you're playing a guy like that who gets those types of calls, it's pretty much like you're playing in foul trouble," Smart said after the game. "You've got to play really certain. You have to be really solid. You can't really play the defense that you want, because you know nine times out of 10 he's going to get those calls. It doesn't matter whether your hands are up or not. He still gets them.

"We saw that here tonight a few times, and we've seen that every other game. He has a way of using his hands, grabbing us, pulling us into him and drawing those fouls. He's been doing it for a long time. He gets the benefit of the doubt."

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4329 on: March 8, 2018, 07:59:34 am »
Utah well and truly back in playoff contention in the West.

Also a lot of respect to Kevin Love for coming out public with those mental health issues, hope he continues to get the support he needs.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4330 on: March 8, 2018, 08:04:52 am »
Have a night, DeMar.

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« Reply #4331 on: March 8, 2018, 08:34:45 am »
Utah well and truly back in playoff contention in the West.

Also a lot of respect to Kevin Love for coming out public with those mental health issues, hope he continues to get the support he needs.
They have a very tough March shedule, i truly hope they make the play-off’s. Them and Pelicans looked like the teams to miss but both had amazing winning streaks.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4332 on: March 8, 2018, 02:07:02 pm »
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22665881/ranking-giannis-antetokounmpo-anthony-davis-25-best-nba-players-25

ESPN Top 25 Under 25

Here's the ranking:

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Anthony Davis
3. Joel Embiid
4. Karl-Anthony Towns
5. Nikola Jokic
6. Ben Simmons
6. Kristaps Porzingis
8. Bradley Beal
9. Donovan Mitchell
9. Devin Booker
11. Gary Harris
12. Andre Drummond
13. Clint Capela
14. Jayson Tatum
15. Otto Porter
16. Brandon Ingram
17. Steven Adams
17. Lonzo Ball
19. Lauri Markkanen
20. Jamal Murray
21. Aaron Gordon
22. Jaylen Brown
23. Andrew Wiggins
23. Kyle Kuzma
25. Myles Turner
25. Dario Saric

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4333 on: March 9, 2018, 06:57:15 pm »
West Top 4 teams has 39 straight wins.

Houston W16
Golden State W6
Portland W8
New Orleans W9

This conference is nuts and what's crazier is teams like the Jazz who are on fire (Jazz are 16-2 over the last 18 with losses to Golden State and Portland) and can't stop winning, are barely making any progress in the standings

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« Reply #4334 on: March 9, 2018, 09:58:47 pm »
Raps tackle the Rockets tonight. Big test for us to say the least.

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« Reply #4335 on: March 10, 2018, 09:52:44 am »
Big win for the Raps, stopped the rockets getting 18th straight win.

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« Reply #4336 on: March 10, 2018, 09:54:06 am »
Big win for the Raps, stopped the rockets getting 18th straight win.

We're a legitimately good team this season. I'll be a bit disappointed if we don't make it to the conference finals at the very least. We've the best home record in the league.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4337 on: March 10, 2018, 10:59:12 am »
I'm no expert but I think the Rockets for some reason don't look as convincing as the Warriors to me. I'm not sure what it is about them and obviously, they're an outstanding team if they're able to go 17 wins in a row but I think Golden State have an extra gear on them.
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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4338 on: March 10, 2018, 05:06:31 pm »
I'm no expert but I think the Rockets for some reason don't look as convincing as the Warriors to me. I'm not sure what it is about them and obviously, they're an outstanding team if they're able to go 17 wins in a row but I think Golden State have an extra gear on them.
You are totally right. I will be surprised if they make the WCF. Sames goes for Raptors though, I still think Cavs and Celtics are the better team come play off time.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4339 on: March 10, 2018, 05:10:03 pm »
I'm no expert but I think the Rockets for some reason don't look as convincing as the Warriors to me. I'm not sure what it is about them and obviously, they're an outstanding team if they're able to go 17 wins in a row but I think Golden State have an extra gear on them.

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« Reply #4340 on: March 10, 2018, 05:48:11 pm »
You are totally right. I will be surprised if they make the WCF. Sames goes for Raptors though, I still think Cavs and Celtics are the better team come play off time.

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« Reply #4341 on: March 10, 2018, 06:03:00 pm »
To think I had you down as a decent poster for all this time... ;D

Haha, don't get me wrong Gary, key part was "come play-off time". Raptors are doing very well and this time they have a deeper bench as well but it's hard for me to forget collapse of Lowry in the play-off's and likewise same goes for Rockets who folded in an embarrassing fashion against the Spurs. So, once they prove what they're made of when it counts, i will give them the respect they deserve. Remember I was a big fan of the Suns and D'Antoni at the time as i was a huge Nash fan, his run and gun ball always came short for one reason or another so it was disappointing. Cavs have the best player in the league in Lebron and Celtics has the best coach in the East therefore i give them the edge. I will be happy to proven wrong as i'd like new teams to make later stages in the play-off's.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4342 on: March 10, 2018, 06:12:36 pm »
UConn Fires Kevin Ollie As Head Coach

LeBron James: DeAndre Jordan Would Have Given Boost To Cavs

Source: Nobody Knows What LeBron Will Do Because He Doesn't Know

Gordon Hayward Not Ruling Out Return This Season

DeAndre Ayton Gaining Momentum As Top Overall Pick

Michael Carter-Williams Out For Season With Shoulder Injury

Nike Now Controlling Which Uniforms Team Wear For Games

Lakers To Sign Derrick Williams To 10-Day Contract

R.J. Barrett Named 2018 Naismith High School Player Of The Year

Jaylen Browns Walks Off Court On Own Power After Scary Fall

Anthony Davis Day-To-Day With Ankle Sprain

Magic Sign Rodney Purvis To 10-Day Contract

LeBron James Expected To Decide Between Cavs, Lakers, 76ers, Rockets

LaMarcus Aldridge: I'm Probably One Of The Most Misunderstood People In NBA

Blazers Sign Georgios Papagiannis To 10-Day Contract

Derrick Rose Signs With Wolves For Remainder Of Season

LeBron James: I'm Playing At My All-Time High

Anthony Davis Confident DeMarcus Cousin Will Re-Sign With Pelicans

Billboards For LeBron James Go Up In Los Angeles

Mavericks To Sign Jameel Warney To 10-Day Deal

Magic Waive Rashad Vaughn

Kawhi Leonard Speaks To Media, Wants To Remain With Spurs For Entire Career

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4343 on: March 11, 2018, 04:44:26 am »
Brave of Kevin Love to publicly mention this, hope he gets the help and gets much healthier.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-everyone-is-going-through-something/

“Everyone is Going Through Something” by Kevin Love

On November 5th, right after halftime against the Hawks, I had a panic attack.

It came out of nowhere. I’d never had one before. I didn’t even know if they were real. But it was real — as real as a broken hand or a sprained ankle. Since that day, almost everything about the way I think about my mental health has changed.

I’ve never been comfortable sharing much about myself. I turned 29 in September and for pretty much 29 years of my life I have been protective about anything and everything in my inner life. I was comfortable talking about basketball — but that came natural. It was much harder to share personal stuff, and looking back now I know I could have really benefited from having someone to talk to over the years. But I didn’t share — not to my family, not to my best friends, not in public. Today, I’ve realized I need to change that. I want to share some of my thoughts about my panic attack and what’s happened since. If you’re suffering silently like I was, then you know how it can feel like nobody really gets it. Partly, I want to do it for me, but mostly, I want to do it because people don’t talk about mental health enough. And men and boys are probably the farthest behind.

I know it from experience. Growing up, you figure out really quickly how a boy is supposed to act. You learn what it takes to “be a man.” It’s like a playbook: Be strong. Don’t talk about your feelings. Get through it on your own. So for 29 years of my life, I followed that playbook. And look, I’m probably not telling you anything new here. These values about men and toughness are so ordinary that they’re everywhere … and invisible at the same time, surrounding us like air or water. They’re a lot like depression or anxiety in that way.

So for 29 years, I thought about mental health as someone else’s problem. Sure, I knew on some level that some people benefited from asking for help or opening up. I just never thought it was for me. To me, it was form of weakness that could derail my success in sports or make me seem weird or different.

Then came the panic attack.

It happened during a game.

It was November 5th, two months and three days after I turned 29. We were at home against the Hawks — 10th game of the season. A perfect storm of things was about to collide. I was stressed about issues I’d been having with my family. I wasn’t sleeping well. On the court, I think the expectations for the season, combined with our 4–5 start, were weighing on me.

I knew something was wrong almost right after tip-off.

I was winded within the first few possessions. That was strange. And my game was just off. I played 15 minutes of the first half and made one basket and two free throws.

After halftime, it all hit the fan. Coach Lue called a timeout in the third quarter. When I got to the bench, I felt my heart racing faster than usual. Then I was having trouble catching my breath. It’s hard to describe, but everything was spinning, like my brain was trying to climb out of my head. The air felt thick and heavy. My mouth was like chalk. I remember our assistant coach yelling something about a defensive set. I nodded, but I didn’t hear much of what he said. By that point, I was freaking out. When I got up to walk out of the huddle, I knew I couldn’t reenter the game — like, literally couldn’t do it physically.

Coach Lue came up to me. I think he could sense something was wrong. I blurted something like, “I’ll be right back,” and I ran back to the locker room. I was running from room to room, like I was looking for something I couldn’t find. Really I was just hoping my heart would stop racing. It was like my body was trying to say to me, You’re about to die. I ended up on the floor in the training room, lying on my back, trying to get enough air to breathe.

The next part was a blur. Someone from the Cavs accompanied me to the Cleveland Clinic. They ran a bunch of tests. Everything seemed to check out, which was a relief. But I remember leaving the hospital thinking, Wait … then what the hell just happened?

I was back for our next game against the Bucks two days later. We won, and I had 32. I remember how relieved I was to be back on the court and feeling more like myself. But I distinctly remember being more relieved than anything that nobody had found out why I had left the game against Atlanta. A few people in the organization knew, sure, but most people didn’t and no one had written about it.

A few more days passed. Things were going great on the court, but something was weighing on me.

Why was I so concerned with people finding out?

It was a wake-up call, that moment. I’d thought the hardest part was over after I had the panic attack. It was the opposite. Now I was left wondering why it happened — and why I didn’t want to talk about it.

Call it a stigma or call it fear or insecurity — you can call it a number of things — but what I was worried about wasn’t just my own inner struggles but how difficult it was to talk about them. I didn’t want people to perceive me as somehow less reliable as a teammate, and it all went back to the playbook I’d learned growing up.

This was new territory for me, and it was pretty confusing. But I was certain about one thing: I couldn’t bury what had happened and try to move forward. As much as part of me wanted to, I couldn’t allow myself to dismiss the panic attack and everything underneath it. I didn’t want to have to deal with everything sometime in the future, when it might be worse. I knew that much.

So I did one seemingly little thing that turned out to be a big thing. The Cavs helped me find a therapist, and I set up an appointment. I gotta stop right here and just say: I’m the last person who’d have thought I’d be seeing a therapist. I remember when I was two or three years into the league, a friend asked me why NBA players didn’t see therapists. I scoffed at the idea. No way any of us is gonna talk to someone. I was 20 or 21 years old, and I’d grown up around basketball. And on basketball teams? Nobody talked about what they were struggling with on the inside. I remember thinking, What are my problems? I’m healthy. I play basketball for a living. What do I have to worry about? I’d never heard of any pro athlete talking about mental health, and I didn’t want to be the only one. I didn’t want to look weak. Honestly, I just didn’t think I needed it. It’s like the playbook said — figure it out on your own, like everyone else around me always had.

But it’s kind of strange when you think about it. In the NBA, you have trained professionals to fine-tune your life in so many areas. Coaches, trainers and nutritionists have had a presence in my life for years. But none of those people could help me in the way I needed when I was lying on the floor struggling to breathe.

Still, I went to my first appointment with the therapist with some skepticism. I had one foot out the door. But he surprised me. For one thing, basketball wasn’t the main focus. He had a sense that the NBA wasn’t the main reason I was there that day, which turned out to be refreshing. Instead, we talked about a range of non-basketball things, and I realized how many issues come from places that you may not realize until you really look into them. I think it’s easy to assume we know ourselves, but once you peel back the layers it’s amazing how much there is to still discover.

Since then, we’ve met up whenever I was back in town, probably a few times each month. One of the biggest breakthroughs happened one day in December when we got to talking about my Grandma Carol. She was the pillar of our family. Growing up, she lived with us, and in a lot of ways she was like another parent to me and my brother and sister. She was the woman who had a shrine to each of her grandkids in her room — pictures, awards, letters pinned up on the wall. And she was someone with simple values that I admired. It was funny, I once gave her a random pair of new Nikes, and she was so blown away that she called me to say thank you a handful of times over the year that followed.

When I made the NBA, she was getting older, and I didn’t see her as often as I used to. During my sixth year with the T-Wolves, Grandma Carol made plans to visit me in Minnesota for Thanksgiving. Then right before the trip, she was hospitalized for an issue with her arteries. She had to cancel her trip. Then her condition got worse quickly, and she fell into a coma. A few days later, she was gone.

I was devastated for a long time. But I hadn’t really ever talked about it. Telling a stranger about my grandma made me see how much pain it was still causing me. Digging into it, I realized that what hurt most was not being able to say a proper goodbye. I’d never had a chance to really grieve, and I felt terrible that I hadn’t been in better touch with her in her last years. But I had buried those emotions since her passing and said to myself, I have to focus on basketball. I’ll deal with it later. Be a man.

The reason I’m telling you about my grandma isn’t really even about her. I still miss her a ton and I’m probably still grieving in a way, but I wanted to share that story because of how eye-opening it was to talk about it. In the short time I’ve been meeting with the therapist, I’ve seen the power of saying things out loud in a setting like that. And it’s not some magical process. It’s terrifying and awkward and hard, at least in my experience so far. I know you don’t just get rid of problems by talking about them, but I’ve learned that over time maybe you can better understand them and make them more manageable. Look, I’m not saying, Everyone go see a therapist. The biggest lesson for me since November wasn’t about a therapist — it was about confronting the fact that I needed help.

One of the reasons I wanted to write this comes from reading DeMar’s comments last week about depression. I’ve played against DeMar for years, but I never could’ve guessed that he was struggling with anything. It really makes you think about how we are all walking around with experiences and struggles — all kinds of things — and we sometimes think we’re the only ones going through them. The reality is that we probably have a lot in common with what our friends and colleagues and neighbors are dealing with. So I’m not saying everyone should share all their deepest secrets — not everything should be public and it’s every person’s choice. But creating a better environment for talking about mental health … that’s where we need to get to.

Because just by sharing what he shared, DeMar probably helped some people — and maybe a lot more people than we know — feel like they aren’t crazy or weird to be struggling with depression. His comments helped take some power away from that stigma, and I think that’s where the hope is.

I want to make it clear that I don’t have things figured out about all of this. I’m just starting to do the hard work of getting to know myself. For 29 years, I avoided that. Now, I’m trying to be truthful with myself. I’m trying to be good to the people in my life. I’m trying to face the uncomfortable stuff in life while also enjoying, and being grateful for, the good stuff. I’m trying to embrace it all, the good, bad and ugly.

I want to end with something I’m trying to remind myself about these days: Everyone is going through something that we can’t see.

I want to write that again: Everyone is going through something that we can’t see.

The thing is, because we can’t see it, we don’t know who’s going through what and we don’t know when and we don’t always know why. Mental health is an invisible thing, but it touches all of us at some point or another. It’s part of life. Like DeMar said, “You never know what that person is going through.”

Mental health isn’t just an athlete thing. What you do for a living doesn’t have to define who you are. This is an everyone thing. No matter what our circumstances, we’re all carrying around things that hurt — and they can hurt us if we keep them buried inside. Not talking about our inner lives robs us of really getting to know ourselves and robs us of the chance to reach out to others in need. So if you’re reading this and you’re having a hard time, no matter how big or small it seems to you, I want to remind you that you’re not weird or different for sharing what you’re going through.

Just the opposite. It could be the most important thing you do. It was for me.

That's brilliant!

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4344 on: March 12, 2018, 03:17:52 am »
Lakers crack 30 wins for the first time since 2013 and give Lebron a little taste of the show. Baby steps.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4345 on: March 12, 2018, 02:47:19 pm »
Pacers win in Boston and go third in the Eastern conference, way way way above any expectations anyone had for this team.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4346 on: March 12, 2018, 03:04:35 pm »
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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4347 on: March 13, 2018, 09:27:30 am »
Portland and Utah has been crazy good. Looking at their remaining schedule, at this speed I won't be shocked if Utah makes the 4th seed. Snyder should be in COY talks, losing their best player in Hayward then Gobert for 25 games yet still being this good. Terry Stotts deserves some honorable mention as well, although I think award goes to Casey.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4348 on: March 13, 2018, 09:34:19 am »
Brandon Jennings' first game as a Buck was a pleasant surprise. Almost got a triple double

13 Points
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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4349 on: March 16, 2018, 04:42:22 am »
21 wins in 23 I think that makes it for the Jazz. I can't get over how good Joe Ingles has been lately. I was really surprised when he popped up in the NBA a couple of years back, always thought he was mediocre when I saw him play for Australia but I guess like most people I made assumptions based on his physical appearance and lack of athleticism.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4350 on: March 16, 2018, 06:27:57 am »
21 wins in 23 I think that makes it for the Jazz. I can't get over how good Joe Ingles has been lately. I was really surprised when he popped up in the NBA a couple of years back, always thought he was mediocre when I saw him play for Australia but I guess like most people I made assumptions based on his physical appearance and lack of athleticism.
Great role player who defends very well as you said despite his athleticism and amazing passer. Easily top 3 most underrated player in the NBA.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4351 on: March 18, 2018, 04:00:39 pm »
Michele Roberts To Seek Extension As NBPA Executive Director

Kevin Durant Out Two Weeks With Rib Injury

David Stockton Signs 10-Day Contract With Jazz

Marcus Smart To Undergo Surgery On Right Thumb

Deandre Ayton Declares For 2018 NBA Draft

Gordon Hayward Suffered Setback In Recovery

Tom Benson Passes Away At Age 90

Isaiah Thomas: I'm Not A Sixth Man

Kawhi Leonard Still Not Practicing With Spurs

Kemba Walker Put Himself Back Onto Charlotte's Draft Board With Tourney Play

76ers Encouraged By Progress Made By Markelle Fultz

Clippers Sign Sean Kilpatrick To 2nd 10-Day Contract

Klay Thompson Out Several Games With Sprained Right Thumb

Kevin Love Expected To Return From Broken Hand Next Week

Avery Bradley Out 6-8 Weeks With Adductor, Abdominal Surgery

Mike D'Antoni, Joe Johnson Believe Rockets' Offense Superior To 2000s Suns

Jazz Assign Dante Exum To G League As Part Of Late Stage Rehab

Raptors Pitched DeMar DeRozan On Shooting More Three-Pointers

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4352 on: March 18, 2018, 04:02:58 pm »
Got to beat Warriors tomorrow, no KD,Steph or Klay.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4353 on: March 18, 2018, 06:04:23 pm »
Lakers crack 30 wins for the first time since 2013 and give Lebron a little taste of the show. Baby steps.

Shame about last 2 loses especially Heat who lost 11 straight on road. Still Lakers been one of the best teams since Jan.

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4354 on: March 18, 2018, 08:37:54 pm »
Russ is boss

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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4355 on: March 20, 2018, 02:12:15 am »
Another triple-double to Ben Simmons: 15 assists, 0 turnovers.

What an exciting year for new talent.

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« Reply #4356 on: March 20, 2018, 01:02:23 pm »
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Re: NBA Discussion
« Reply #4357 on: March 21, 2018, 11:22:16 pm »
Forgot to post this the other day but it's too good to not be seen many times.

https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/974471563704758272

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« Reply #4358 on: March 21, 2018, 11:40:21 pm »
Another triple-double to Ben Simmons: 15 assists, 0 turnovers.

What an exciting year for new talent.

My dark horses to win east playoffs.

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« Reply #4359 on: March 21, 2018, 11:41:27 pm »
Forgot to post this the other day but it's too good to not be seen many times.

https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/974471563704758272

Quality. I always love the bench reactions me.