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Trump Tower in Toronto was put up for sale...and received no bids...so it is going to the largest creditor.


Just so you know, Toronto is one of the hottest real estate markets in the world. The average house price is 1.2 million $Cdn and the whole tower will go for $300k...


The reason for the sale is that the developers couldn't sell enough units. Trump doesn't own it, he licences his name and has a contract to manage it.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trump-tower-toronto-no-bids-1.4011755

It's also an example of Trump having connections to Russians as the project was done in a partnership with two Russian-Canadian business men...
http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

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Columbia Journalism Review Study: Breitbart-led right-wing media ecosystem altered broader media agenda
By Yochai Benkler, Robert Faris, Hal Roberts, and Ethan Zuckerman
March 3, 2017


The 2016 Presidential election shook the foundations of American politics. Media reports immediately looked for external disruption to explain the unanticipated victory—with theories ranging from Russian hacking to “fake news.”

We have a less exotic, but perhaps more disconcerting explanation: Our own study of over 1.25 million stories published online between April 1, 2015 and Election Day shows that a right-wing media network anchored around Breitbart developed as a distinct and insulated media system, using social media as a backbone to transmit a hyper-partisan perspective to the world. This pro-Trump media sphere appears to have not only successfully set the agenda for the conservative media sphere, but also strongly influenced the broader media agenda, in particular coverage of Hillary Clinton.

While concerns about political and media polarization online are longstanding, our study suggests that polarization was asymmetric. Pro-Clinton audiences were highly attentive to traditional media outlets, which continued to be the most prominent outlets across the public sphere, alongside more left-oriented online sites. But pro-Trump audiences paid the majority of their attention to polarized outlets that have developed recently, many of them only since the 2008 election season.

Attacks on the integrity and professionalism of opposing media were also a central theme of right-wing media. Rather than “fake news” in the sense of wholly fabricated falsities, many of the most-shared stories can more accurately be understood as disinformation: the purposeful construction of true or partly true bits of information into a message that is, at its core, misleading. Over the course of the election, this turned the right-wing media system into an internally coherent, relatively insulated knowledge community, reinforcing the shared worldview of readers and shielding them from journalism that challenged it. The prevalence of such material has created an environment in which the President can tell supporters about events in Sweden that never happened, or a presidential advisor can reference a non-existent “Bowling Green massacre.”

We began to study this ecosystem by looking at the landscape of what sites people share. If a person shares a link from Breitbart, is he or she more likely also to share a link from Fox News or from The New York Times? We analyzed hyperlinking patterns, social media sharing patterns on Facebook and Twitter, and topic and language patterns in the content of the 1.25 million stories, published by 25,000 sources over the course of the election, using Media Cloud, an open-source platform for studying media ecosystems developed by Harvard’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society and MIT’s Center for Civic Media.

When we map media sources this way, we see that Breitbart became the center of a distinct right-wing media ecosystem, surrounded by Fox News, the Daily Caller, the Gateway Pundit, the Washington Examiner, Infowars, Conservative Treehouse, and Truthfeed.

Fig. 1: Media sources shared on Twitter during the election (nodes sized in proportion to Twitter shares).

Fig. 2: Media sources shared on Twitter during the election (nodes sized in proportion to Facebook shares).
 

The most frequently shared media sources for Twitter users that retweeted either Trump or Clinton.

Notes: In the above clouds, the nodes are sized according to how often they were shared on Twitter (Fig. 1) or Facebook (Fig. 2). The location of nodes is determined by whether two sites were shared by the same Twitter user on the same day, representing the extent to which two sites draw similar audiences. The colors assigned to a site in the map reflect the share of that site’s stories tweeted by users who also retweeted either Clinton or Trump during the election. These colors therefore reflect the attention patterns of audiences, not analysis of content of the sites. Dark blue sites draw attention in ratios of at least 4:1 from Clinton followers; red sites 4:1 Trump followers. Green sites are retweeted more or less equally by followers of each candidate. Light-blue sites draw 3:2 Clinton followers, and pink draw 3:2 Trump followers.

Our analysis challenges a simple narrative that the internet as a technology is what fragments public discourse and polarizes opinions, by allowing us to inhabit filter bubbles or just read “the daily me.” If technology were the most important driver towards a “post-truth” world, we would expect to see symmetric patterns on the left and the right. Instead, different internal political dynamics in the right and the left led to different patterns in the reception and use of the technology by each wing. While Facebook and Twitter certainly enabled right-wing media to circumvent the gatekeeping power of traditional media, the pattern was not symmetric.

The size of the nodes marking traditional professional media like The New York Times, The Washington Post, and CNN, surrounded by the Hill, ABC, and NBC, tell us that these media drew particularly large audiences. Their color tells us that Clinton followers attended to them more than Trump followers, and their proximity on the map to more quintessentially partisan sites—like Huffington Post, MSNBC, or the Daily Beast—suggests that attention to these more partisan outlets on the left was more tightly interwoven with attention to traditional media. The Breitbart-centered wing, by contrast, is farther from the mainstream set and lacks bridging nodes that draw attention and connect it to that mainstream.

Moreover, the fact that these asymmetric patterns of attention were similar on both Twitter and Facebook suggests that human choices and political campaigning, not one company’s algorithm, were responsible for the patterns we observe. These patterns might be the result of a coordinated campaign, but they could also be an emergent property of decentralized behavior, or some combination of both. Our data to this point cannot distinguish between these alternatives.

Another way of seeing this asymmetry is to graph how much attention is given to sites that draw attention mostly from one side of the partisan divide. There are very few center-right sites: sites that draw many Trump followers, but also a substantial number of Clinton followers. Between the moderately conservative Wall Street Journal, which draws Clinton and Trump supporters in equal shares, and the starkly partisan sites that draw Trump supporters by ratios of 4:1 or more, there are only a handful of sites. Once a threshold of partisan-only attention is reached, the number of sites in the clearly partisan right increases, and indeed exceeds the number of sites in the clearly partisan left. By contrast, starting at The Wall Street Journal and moving left, attention is spread more evenly across a range of sites whose audience reflects a gradually increasing proportion of Clinton followers as opposed to Trump followers. Unlike on the right, on the left there is no dramatic increase in either the number of sites or levels of attention they receive as we move to  more clearly partisan sites.

Sites by partisan attention and Twitter shares.

Sites by partisan attention and Facebook shares.
 
The primary explanation of such asymmetric polarization is more likely politics and culture than technology.

A remarkable feature of the right-wing media ecosystem is how new it is. Out of all the outlets favored by Trump followers, only the New York Post existed when Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980. By the election of Bill Clinton in 1992, only the Washington Times, Rush Limbaugh, and arguably Sean Hannity had joined the fray. Alex Jones of Infowars started his first outlet on the radio in 1996. Fox News was not founded until 1996.

Breitbart was founded in 2007, and most of the other major nodes in the right-wing media system were created even later. Outside the right-wing, the map reflects a mixture of high attention to traditional journalistic outlets and dispersed attention to new, online-only, and partisan media.

The pattern of hyper-partisan attack was set during the primary campaign, targeting not only opposing candidates but also media that did not support Trump’s candidacy. In our data, looking at the most widely-shared stories during the primary season and at the monthly maps of media during those months, we see that Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Fox News were the targets of attack.

The first and seventh most highly-tweeted stories from Infowars.com, one of the 10 most influential sites in the right-wing media system.
 
The February map, for example, shows Fox News as a smaller node quite distant from the Breitbart-centered right. It reflects the fact that Fox News received less attention than it did earlier or later in the campaign, and less attention, in particular, from users who also paid attention to the core Breitbart-centered sites and whose attention would have drawn Fox closer to Breitbart. The March map is similar, and only over April and May will Fox’s overall attention and attention from Breitbart followers revive.

This sidelining of Fox News in early 2016 coincided with sustained attacks against it by Breitbart. The top-20 stories in the right-wing media ecology during January included, for example, “Trump Campaign Manager Reveals Fox News Debate Chief Has Daughter Working for Rubio.” More generally, the five most-widely shared stories in which Breitbart refers to Fox are stories aimed to delegitimize Fox as the central arbiter of conservative news, tying it to immigration, terrorism and Muslims, and corruption:

The repeated theme of conspiracy, corruption, and media betrayal is palpable in these highly shared Breitbart headlines linking Fox News, Rubio, and illegal immigration.
 
As the primaries ended, our maps show that attention to Fox revived and was more closely integrated with Breitbart and the remainder of the right-wing media sphere. The primary target of the right-wing media then became all other traditional media. While the prominence of different media sources in the right-wing sphere vary when viewed by shares on Facebook and Twitter, the content and core structure, with Breitbart at the center, is stable across platforms. Infowars, and similarly radical sites Truthfeed and Ending the Fed, gain in prominence in the Facebook map.

October 2016 by Twitter shares

October 2016 by Facebook shares

These two maps reveal the same pattern. Even in the highly-charged pre-election month, everyone outside the Breitbart-centered universe forms a tightly interconnected attention network, with major traditional mass media and professional sources at the core. The right, by contrast, forms its own insular sphere.
 
The right-wing media was also able to bring the focus on immigration, Clinton emails, and scandals more generally to the broader media environment. A sentence-level analysis of stories throughout the media environment suggests that Donald Trump’s substantive agenda—heavily focused on immigration and direct attacks on Hillary Clinton—came to dominate public discussions.

Number of sentences in mainstream media that address Trump and Clinton issues and scandals.
 
Coverage of Clinton overwhelmingly focused on emails, followed by the Clinton Foundation and Benghazi. Coverage of Trump included some scandal, but the most prevalent topic of Trump-focused stories was his main substantive agenda item—immigration—and his arguments about jobs and trade also received more attention than his scandals.

 
While mainstream media coverage was often critical, it nonetheless revolved around the agenda that the right-wing media sphere set: immigration. Right-wing media, in turn, framed immigration in terms of terror, crime, and Islam, as a review of Breitbart and other right-wing media stories about immigration most widely shared on social media exhibits. Immigration is the key topic around which Trump and Breitbart found common cause; just as Trump made this a focal point for his campaign, Breitbart devoted disproportionate attention to the topic.
 
What we find in our data is a network of mutually-reinforcing hyper-partisan sites that revive what Richard Hofstadter called “the paranoid style in American politics,” combining decontextualized truths, repeated falsehoods, and leaps of logic to create a fundamentally misleading view of the world. “Fake news,” which implies made of whole cloth by politically disinterested parties out to make a buck of Facebook advertising dollars, rather than propaganda and disinformation, is not an adequate term. By repetition, variation, and circulation through many associated sites, the network of sites make their claims familiar to readers, and this fluency with the core narrative gives credence to the incredible.

Take a look at Ending the Fed, which, according to Buzzfeed’s examination of fake news in November 2016, accounted for five of the top 10 of the top fake stories in the election. In our data, Ending the Fed is indeed prominent by Facebook measures, but not by Twitter shares. In the month before the election, for example, it was one of the three most-shared right-wing sites on Facebook, alongside Breitbart and Truthfeed. While Ending the Fed clearly had great success marketing stories on Facebook, our analysis shows nothing distinctive about the site—it is simply part-and-parcel of the Breitbart-centered sphere.

And the false claims perpetuated in Ending the Fed’s most-shared posts are well established tropes in right wing media: the leaked Podesta emails, alleged Saudi funding of Clinton’s campaign, and a lack of credibility in media. The most Facebook-shared story by Ending the Fed in October was “IT’S OVER: Hillary’s ISIS Email Just Leaked & It’s Worse Than Anyone Could Have Imagined.” See also, Infowars’ “Saudi Arabia has funded 20% of Hillary’s Presidential Campaign, Saudi Crown Prince Claims,” and Breitbart’s  “Clinton Cash: Khizr Khan’s Deep Legal, Financial Connections to Saudi Arabia, Hillary’s Clinton Foundation Tie Terror, Immigration, Email Scandals Together.” This mix of claims and facts, linked through paranoid logic characterizes much of the most shared content linked to Breitbart. It is a mistake to dismiss these stories as “fake news”; their power stems from a potent mix of verifiable facts (the leaked Podesta emails), familiar repeated falsehoods, paranoid logic, and consistent political orientation within a mutually-reinforcing network of like-minded sites.

Use of disinformation by partisan media sources is neither new nor limited to the right wing, but the insulation of the partisan right-wing media from traditional journalistic media sources, and the vehemence of its attacks on journalism in common cause with a similarly outspoken president, is new and distinctive.

Rebuilding a basis on which Americans can form a shared belief about what is going on is a precondition of democracy, and the most important task confronting the press going forward. Our data strongly suggest that most Americans, including those who access news through social networks, continue to pay attention to traditional media, following professional journalistic practices, and cross-reference what they read on partisan sites with what they read on mass media sites.

To accomplish this, traditional media needs to reorient, not by developing better viral content and clickbait to compete in the social media environment, but by recognizing that it is operating in a propaganda and disinformation-rich environment. This, not Macedonian teenagers or Facebook, is the real challenge of the coming years. Rising to this challenge could usher in a new golden age for the Fourth Estate.

The election study was funded by the Open Society Foundations U.S. Program.  Media Cloud has received funding from The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation, the Ford Foundation, and the Open Societies Foundations.

http://www.cjr.org/analysis/breitbart-media-trump-harvard-study.php

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Sean Spicer Meets the Press. No Cameras Allowed, Again.

For the country’s most prominent political spokesman, Sean Spicer is not spending a whole lot of time in front of the camera.

Monday was the seventh straight day that Mr. Spicer, President Trump’s press secretary, declined to hold a televised White House press briefing, an unusually long drought for someone whose role is traditionally to be the most visible face of a presidential administration.

Instead, Mr. Spicer — who since the inauguration had become a highly rated, if often-parodied, staple of daytime television — conducted a question-and-answer session with no cameras allowed, over the objections of the White House Correspondents’ Association.

The briefing was certain to be contentious. For the first time, Mr. Spicer addressed explosive and unproven allegations Mr. Trump made over the weekend that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower during the presidential campaign.

The public was not given a way to watch the briefing but was able to listen via an audio-only broadcast by PBS.

At one point, when a CNN reporter tried to interject with a question, Mr. Spicer pushed back, saying: “You’re not on camera. You don’t need to jump in.” (He called on the reporter later.)

Past press secretaries said it was unusual that they would stay off television for a full week. And Mr. Spicer’s absence from the airwaves coincides with a rough period: He was criticized by Mr. Trump in a Fox News interview, and his closest ally in the administration, Reince Priebus, the chief of staff, is under fire from rival factions within the White House.

On Friday, Mr. Spicer was among the group of Mr. Trump’s senior aides temporarily banished from Air Force One after Mr. Trump erupted at his staff in frustration during an Oval Office meeting.

Mr. Trump’s West Wing is awash in palace intrigue, and people in and around the administration noted that two other representatives — Mr. Spicer’s deputy, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and the White House counselor, Kellyanne Conway — appeared on morning television shows on Monday to speak on the president’s behalf. The president has also privately expressed frustration with the performance of his press office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/business/sean-spicer-press-briefing-off-camera.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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The GOP's Obamacare repeal plan is out--and it's even worse than anyone expected.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-repeal-20170306-story.html

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The Vancouver market has cooled somewhat as there is now a non-resident tax being put on real estate transactions. That foreign investor money is flowing partly to Toronto.


It hasn't cooled much. The foreign buyers tax has barely put a dent in the market price. It's crazy out here

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The GOP's Obamacare repeal plan is out--and it's even worse than anyone expected.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-repeal-20170306-story.html

Seriously, they should stop pussyfooting about and just criminalise abortions already. And while they're at it, criminalise being poor. Premium subsidies based on age rather than income? Well that sounds fair, doesn't it? Wouldn't want those baby boomers to sacrifice dinner at Jean-Georges to save some no-good 20-year-old who can't work full-time due to a chronic kidney disease, would we?

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Cheers Jambutty, that is a really interesting article. It immediatly makes me wonder if a similar machanism is working with Brexit news, because it would perhaps explain why the leavers are able to shrug off any facts they are confronted with.
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Cheers Jambutty, that is a really interesting article. It immediatly makes me wonder if a similar machanism is working with Brexit news, because it would perhaps explain why the leavers are able to shrug off any facts they are confronted with.

Yes. It's an interesting piece.

Use of disinformation by partisan media sources is neither new nor limited to the right wing, but the insulation of the partisan right-wing media from traditional journalistic media sources, and the vehemence of its attacks on journalism in common cause with a similarly outspoken president, is new and distinctive.

Rebuilding a basis on which Americans can form a shared belief about what is going on is a precondition of democracy, and the most important task confronting the press going forward. Our data strongly suggest that most Americans, including those who access news through social networks, continue to pay attention to traditional media, following professional journalistic practices, and cross-reference what they read on partisan sites with what they read on mass media sites.

To accomplish this, traditional media needs to reorient, not by developing better viral content and clickbait to compete in the social media environment, but by recognizing that it is operating in a propaganda and disinformation-rich environment. This, not Macedonian teenagers or Facebook, is the real challenge of the coming years. Rising to this challenge could usher in a new golden age for the Fourth Estate.


What are the UK equivalents of Breitbart and Fox (The Daily Mail? I assume)?
I hope the traditionally balanced media are examining how they report news and maybe think again about their model  of offering all actors in a debate equal time and seemingly credibility.

It drives me crackers when they’ll bend over backwards to give someone like Kelvin McKenzie or Farrage airtime to satisfy a ridiculous ethos of balance to the detriment of truth.

Of course I realize it’s difficult now for the New York Times, for example, to call the President out as a complete lying and delusional dickhead – as there is the issue then of undermining the position and creating a fucking huge crisis 



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From a social perspective it is nothing new that, sometimes, what is considered "right" and what is "wrong" is more dependent on how many people believe it rather than the facts that support one position over another.  Once a position achieves "critical mass", then many will tend to fall into line behind that position, regardless of whether they believe it or not.

What IS disturbing is that we have never seen it on such a scale before, nor pushed with such aggression, or with such a venomous disdain for the truth.

It is very Soviet.  Stalin-esque even.  I remember watching "Conspiracy", with Kenneth Brannagh and Stanley Tucci, and there's this scene where two Nazis are in a corner discussing Russian politics and its people, and one says, "I've lived among them.  As long as he has a bottle of vodka to suck and a domesticated animal to fuck, he will happily sit in shit his whole life.  THAT is the extent of his politics."

When you look at the under educated, prejudiced, echo chamber living, wilfully ignorant, FOX News "peasants" currently occupying a large chunk of Trump's power base, then throw in the similar sentiment over Brexit; the constant undermining against Global Warmng; Russia's blatant interference in the US election; and Murdoch's dumbing down of news media with stories that can be barely registered as truth, I come to the inescapable conclusion that we are bearing witness to a hostile takeover of global public opinion - and this is just the early stages. 

This is something that makes the rise of the Nazis look comically absurd.  It's terrifying and I truly feel for anybody who has young children right now.  I dread to think where this world will be in 10 years' time. :(
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In the US, I think we're ok.

Checks and balances are in place that haven't been necessary until now.

The Judiciary has never been challenged like this before and they will respond according to their disposition which is always about jurisprudence and precedence.

More Yanks than ever have become politically savvy and upset and it'll show in the next election cycle, imo.
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I don't think America can wait for the next election cycle.  The system is under attack now, and the GOP is complicit because they're blind drunk on power and too many who have reservations don't have the balls to stand up and call it out for what it is.

I could understand people staying quiet against the Nazis; their lives could be at genuine risk if they spoke out.  These people wont even risk their reputations, or their potential future income, they're all waiting for somebody else to move first.  Or perhaps somebody just has a ton of dirt on them to keep them quiet.

If it carries on like this, then by the time somebody DOES try to use the checks and balances, somebody will try to stop them.  Then comes the argument over who is the traitor, who is trying to protect and who is trying to destroy, which leads to the system breaking.  It's like how most riots start after a botched arrest.  It really is civil war territory.
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Jake Tapper's laying into Trump and his advisors' disconnect from reality pretty well. Not sure how I'd embed this, but CNN site works in the UK:

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/06/trump-wiretap-tapper-lead-sot.cnn/video/playlists/jake-tapper-on-the-trump-administration/
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Can someone explain the new insurance coverage to me please.

It offers no insurance against anything, and no coverage. It removes all those icky taxes that Donald's rich buddies have to pay, and screws everyone else.




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Jake Tapper's laying into Trump and his advisors' disconnect from reality pretty well. Not sure how I'd embed this, but CNN site works in the UK:

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/06/trump-wiretap-tapper-lead-sot.cnn/video/playlists/jake-tapper-on-the-trump-administration/
The only thing missing from Tapper and the principled media is labeling The Big Lie administration.

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It offers no insurance against anything, and no coverage. It removes all those icky taxes that Donald's rich buddies have to pay, and screws everyone else.





That'll teach those god damn socialist commie dogs!!!

The way there's an attitude across many parts of america actively against protecting workers and the lower/middle class is ridiculous

Let big businesses and rich people fuck everybody else, its the american dream!
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DHS said another 13 or 14 countries that could be added to the banned list not all from the Middle East.

I guess some from Africa.

And he seems to have it in for Sweden.
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Can someone explain the new insurance coverage to me please.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/6/14838122/republican-health-bill-obamacare-replacement

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If Republicans believed the American people — or even their own legislators — would like the results of a thorough estimate of their proposal’s effects, they would have waited for one. We’ll get a CBO report anyway, of course. My guess is it will say this: The GOP plan will lead to significant declines in coverage (Loren Adler estimates an eye-popping 15-20 million people will lose insurance) as well as accelerating the exhaustion of the Medicare trust fund due to the tax cuts. After years of Republicans complaining that copays and deductibles were too high in Obamacare, copays and deductibles will be significantly higher under their replacement. The plan will significantly reduce taxes on the rich.
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The plan is strikingly regressive compared to the Affordable Care Act. Cynthia Cox estimates that a 40-year-old making 160 percent of the poverty line would get $4,143 in subsidies under the ACA, but only $3,000 under the GOP plan; by contrast, a 40-year-old making $75,000 would get nothing under the ACA, but $3,000 under the GOP plan.

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Well this is what people voted for. A great healthcare plan, the best one, the biggliest health care plan there is. Gonna cover everyone.

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Well this is what people voted for. A great healthcare plan, the best one, the biggliest health care plan there is. Gonna cover everyone.

Andy Slavitt (https://twitter.com/ASlavitt) ran the ACA for Obama:

True headline 1: the bill is basically a tax cut ($600 billion) funded by gutting Medicaid. 4
The tax cuts r 4 wealthy, insurance cos, pharma, tanning sals, med device. Funding cuts from low income, seniors & kids. W permanent caps. 5
Headline 2 is also fairly obvious. AHCA violates all President's commitments. Covers fewer, takes away protections, ⬆️ prems & deductibles.6
It basically takes all the things Rs complained about & makes them worse. But the affordability problems have an even worse impact. 6
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The plan is strikingly regressive compared to the Affordable Care Act. Cynthia Cox estimates that a 40-year-old making 160 percent of the poverty line would get $4,143 in subsidies under the ACA, but only $3,000 under the GOP plan. By contrast, a 40-year-old making $75,000 would get nothing under the ACA, but $3,000 under the GOP plan.

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If only the voters had asked what they planned to replace it with instead of just parroting "Repeal and Replace" ah well.

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'Obamacare 2.0': Conservatives are already revolting against the House GOP's Obamacare plan

 House Republican leadership on Monday rolled out a plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, after months of planning and negotiation.

But the new bill, called the American Health Care Act (AHCA), has drawn sharp criticism from not only Democrats but also many Republicans.

Hard-line conservatives who have vowed to fully repeal Obamacare appear to have issues with the law, though some have backed down slightly on earlier criticisms.

Rep. Mark Meadows, head of the influential conservative House Freedom Caucus, told Fox News' Sean Hannity that the AHCA "sets a new entitlement, keeps some taxes, doesn’t repeal all of Obamacare." Meadows said that the bill did not go far enough.

"We’ve got to do better, and hopefully with some new amendments we can do that," Meadows said.

In the same interview with Hannity, Rep. Louie Gohmert, a conservative firebrand who is not a part of the House Freedom Caucus, criticized the bill and said he had already heard concerns from constituents.

The House Freedom Caucus is expected to hold a press conference at 3:30 p.m. ET to lodge complaints about the bill, according to Politico. If all Democrats vote their party line, the House GOP could not afford to lose the Freedom Caucus membership.

Additionally, the Republican Study Committee — a conservative caucus with 172 members — released a memo criticizing the AHCA as well, specifically the tax credits proposed for people to buy healthcare if they do not receive it from their employer or a government program like Medicare or Medicaid.

"Writing checks to individuals to purchase insurance is, in principle, Obamacare," said the memo, which went on to criticize the cost of the credits.

The RSC memo also attacked the fact that the new bill will allow the ACA's Medicaid expansion to last until 2020, saying it will continue to "contribute to the worsening of the federal and state budgets."

Other House Republicans were more aggressive in their criticisms. Rep. Justin Amash, a longtime critic of Obamacare and House Freedom Caucus member, tweeted that the AHCA was "Obamacare 2.0."

And Sen. Rand Paul — who has been railing against the House plan since a draft of the bill was leaked — tweeted on Tuesday that he did not support the House GOP plan.

"House leadership plan is Obamacare Lite," Paul tweeted. "It will not pass. Conservatives are not going to take it."

In an interview with "Fox and Friends," Paul also criticized a provision in the AHCA that allows insurance companies to charge people who do not maintain continuous health-coverage premiums up to 30% more than if they had kept coverage. Paul said that instead of Obamacare's individual mandate, in which a consumer who does maintain coverage pays the government a penalty, this provision would amount to a mandate that benefited insurers and is "likely unconstitutional."

"So much of their bill is a bail out for the insurance companies," Paul said.

On the other end, four GOP senators wrote a letter before the release of the House GOP's bill, saying they would not support the leaked draft of the bill because of its inadequate protections of the ACA's Medicaid expansion. The expansion has allowed 11 million people to access health insurance and has become popular in states that have expanded coverage.

While these senators have not commented on the new bill yet, the AHCA does not make many major changes to the leaked memo's Medicaid expansion phase-out, which would end the current federal funding program in 2020 and shift funding to a per-capita program in 2020 that experts say would most likely be less generous.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/house-obamacare-bill-conservatives-2017-3?r=US&IR=T
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Can someone explain the new insurance coverage to me please.

Let poor people die and get sick to subsidise tax cuts for the rich...

Paul Ryan must be having a wet dream over this. When people wonder why the GOP don't stop Trump this is why. He may be a deranged, sleep-deprived, nut-job man-baby who might bring about World War 3... but hey!... tax cuts for the rich baby!
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I don't think America can wait for the next election cycle.  The system is under attack now, and the GOP is complicit because they're blind drunk on power and too many who have reservations don't have the balls to stand up and call it out for what it is.

I could understand people staying quiet against the Nazis; their lives could be at genuine risk if they spoke out.  These people wont even risk their reputations, or their potential future income, they're all waiting for somebody else to move first.  Or perhaps somebody just has a ton of dirt on them to keep them quiet.

If it carries on like this, then by the time somebody DOES try to use the checks and balances, somebody will try to stop them.  Then comes the argument over who is the traitor, who is trying to protect and who is trying to destroy, which leads to the system breaking.  It's like how most riots start after a botched arrest.  It really is civil war territory.

Agree it's serious. This administration is showing so many bad signs. They are lying about everything, even simple things, they undermine the entire trust in the election system with the shit about millions of illegal voters, they select groups of people who are banned, they are at war with the press (who typically would offer any normal administration a honeymoon), they are accusing the former President of a crime,... it's quite unbelievable. And we are all getting used to it. Which may be the worst of it all. Because this will not get better.

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Trump and Republicans see a ‘deep state’ foe: Barack Obama
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President Trump’s weekend allegations of a “Nixon/Watergate” plot to wiretap his 2016 campaign confused intelligence analysts, befuddled members of Congress and created fresh work for fact-checkers. Within 24 hours of his allegations, made on Twitter, the administration conceded that the president was basing his claim not on closely held information, but on a Breitbart News story quoting the conservative radio host and author Mark Levin.

But in conservative media, where the claim originated, Trump has gotten credit for cracking open a plot by a “deep state” of critics and conspirators to bring down his presidency. And the perpetrator is former president Barack Obama.

“It would [seem] that the ‘Russia hacking’ story was concocted not just to explain away an embarrassing election defeat, but to cover up the real scandal,” wrote Breitbart’s senior editor-at-large Joel Pollak.

“Trump confounds these people because he’s always a step or two ahead,” Rush Limbaugh told his listeners on Monday. “It’s a direct line to the Democrat Party and Obama and members of the Obama administration that Trump is signaling, ‘You don’t face the usual feckless bunch of opponents who never fight you back.’”

Trump’s wiretap allegations completed a feedback loop that started during the presidential campaign and has gotten sturdier since. The president’s media diet includes cable television news shows, like “Fox and Friends,” where guests and hosts regularly defend him. On Twitter, he frequently elevates stories that grew in conservative talk radio, or on sites like Breitbart News and InfoWars, out of view of a startled mainstream media. Monday’s news cycle demonstrated just how strong the loop was, as Levin himself appeared on Fox News for 12 barely interrupted minutes to share his theory that the alleged wiretapping was a political hit job.

“Donald Trump is the victim. His campaign is the victim,” said Levin, as a Fox News “alert” scrolled over the screen. “These are police state tactics. If this had been done to Barack Obama, all hell would break loose. And it should.”

A spokesman for the former president denied that Obama or a White House official requested surveillance of a U.S. citizen. And FBI Director James B. Comey asked the Justice Department to issue a statement this weekend refuting President Trump’s charge (it has not thus far).

Republicans in Congress tend to give the president the benefit of their doubt. In interviews and comments since Saturday, they have suggested that Trump overstated what was known — conflating, for example, media reports on wiretapping with a growing theory that the Obama administration seeded operatives throughout the government to undo his presidency. But they have paired that critique with promises to study what he’s alleged.

“The president has at his fingertips tens of billions of dollars in intelligence apparatus,” said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, in a Monday interview with CBS News. “I think he might have something there, but if not, we’re going to find out.”

“The good news is there’s a paper trail, there’s a warrant, there’s an application, there’s judicial review,” said Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) in a Monday interview with radio host Laura Ingraham, a die-hard Trump supporter. “And right now the Justice Department is not controlled by President Obama. It’s controlled by Jeff Sessions.”

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), in a tweet to the president, went even further, saying that Trump “needs to purge Leftists from executive branch before disloyal, illegal and treasonist (sic) acts sink us.”

That story line was building long before Trump embraced it. Its origins were relatively banal. One week after the 2016 election, Obama told members of his campaign group, Organizing for America, that the Trump years would be boom times for activism.

“Now is the time for some organizing,” Obama said, according to a transcript published by the White House at the time. “An election just finished, so it’s not going to be straight political organizing, but it is going to be raising awareness; it’s going to be the work you’re doing in nonprofits and advocacy and community-building.  And over time, what’s going to happen is, is that you will reinvigorate and inform our politics in ways that we can’t anticipate.”

Since then, OFA, which has spent years as a punching bag for Democrats who thought it diverted resources from the party, has earned surprising new status as a boogeyman. The rebuilt group has helped promote and organize protests and raucous town hall meetings to pressure Republican members of Congress. On Feb. 18, New York Post columnist Paul Sperry tied together what was publicly known to pin the protests on Obama and OFA.

“It’s a radical [Saul] Alinsky group,” Sperry told Fox News’s Sean Hannity after the story ran. “It’s got a lot of money. And they’re training an army of agitators to sabotage Trump and his policies, while at the same time protecting Obama’s legacy, like ‘Obamacare’ and the DREAMers. And here is OFA listed prominently on Obama’s new Web site, OFA Organizing for Action.”

In the days after that broadcast, as OFA watched, its Facebook page started to receive angry comments and threats.

“If they ever come to my town I’ll be eagerly awaiting with my 12 gauge loaded with ball and buck,” wrote one commentator, Gary Whitson.

“This site is an American Terrorist site degrading our intelligence with misinformation,” wrote a critic named Don Whitehall. “No shadow government in America” “OFA is a nonprofit group dedicated to grassroots organizing, which is exactly what we’ve been doing since 2013,” said communications director Jesse Lehrich. “We have volunteer-led chapters around the country who are working to engage their friends and neighbors to enact positive change in their communities. These conspiracy theories swirling through the conservative media-verse aren’t just perplexing, they’re dangerous.”

The former president has given his blessing to the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, a project created to help his party undo Republican-drawn legislative maps. He made calls to help his former Secretary of Labor Tom Perez become chair of the Democratic National Committee, and congratulated him when he won. And he recorded a video for his post-presidential foundation, telling supporters “true democracy is a project that’s bigger than any one of us.”

Apart from that, Obama has maintained a low profile in the post-election world, with allies acknowledging that he’s been absent as protests have built against his successor. At the NRDC’s Tuesday media briefing, former Attorney General Eric Holder said that the former president was ready to become a “more visible” supporter of the project.

“It’s coming. He’s coming,” said. “And he’s ready to roll.”

That comment caused a minor frenzy with the online right. InfoWars, the conspiracy news site run by Alex Jones, republished a story about the comment, and followed it with rumors about the new activity. “Obama’s goal to ‘oust’ Trump from presidency via impeachment or resignation,” wrote InfoWars commentator Paul Joseph Watson on Thursday. On Friday, the site blew up a report about banks settling with nonprofit groups after fraud lawsuits to tell readers that Obama had “funneled billions to liberal activist groups.”

More mainstream sites have also stoked theories that Obama was pulling strings. Last Wednesday, the Daily Mail published an interview with an unnamed “close family friend,” who claimed that former White House adviser Valerie Jarrett had moved into Obama’s Kalorama home to help “mastermind the insurgency” against Trump.

“The Daily Mail story is completely false,” said Kevin Lewis, a spokesman for the former president.

But the Jarrett story went viral on the right; on a Fox Business segment over the weekend, the radio host Tammy Bruce cited as an “under-covered” revelation that demonstrated the forces arrayed against Trump. In her Monday interview with Gowdy, Ingraham argued that a Watergate-level scandal was building — but at one point, she suggested, hopefully, that the president was not simply basing his rhetoric on what was in conservative media.
“He must know something beyond what’s on Breitbart,” Ingraham said.

“I would hope,” said Gowdy, “given the fact that he’s the leader of the free world.”

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So, how's the RyanCare rollout going?

Kasie Hunt (NBC News)
It is still early so caveats apply but events of today suggest GOP health care bill is already on life support (if not dead on arrival...)

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The odds of this bill passing in its current form seem less than zero.

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BREAKING: The new GOP plan is bad politics and, more importantly, bad policy.

Good work, genius.  You only had 7 years to come up with this. 
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It's really just too easy for Trump. He tweets something, people react and it becomes topic of the day. It's nonsense. Media should bring back the focus on his previous lies.

Where is the proof of the illegal voters? We are talking millions of illegal votes if we are to believe Trump. Where is the proof? How come the President can undermine the entire system that brought him to power without any piece of evidence? Could it be that he has something to hide? Did he get help to rig the election, since he seems to know so much without providing others with evidence? Etc.

Eventually, they will connect the dots. But this is getting ridiculous. Trump and his administration are actually saying Obama committed a crime. Obama could and probably should find a way to take Trump to court on this.

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“He must know something beyond what’s on Breitbart,” Ingraham said.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-republicans-see-a-%E2%80%98deep-state%E2%80%99-foe-barack-obama/ar-AAnXZdW?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

This quote says it all. People assume he has more information. People assume he knows what he is talking about. Maybe there is something in the story? Maybe there is an ounce of truth in it? How can we know for sure? We can't. And Trump uses that. It's the same teick all the time.

When Trump says something absolutely crazy, when it's an obvious lie, he should have to face that. Otherwise people will get used to it and soon we will begin to accept it.

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“He must know something beyond what’s on Breitbart,” Ingraham said.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-republicans-see-a-%E2%80%98deep-state%E2%80%99-foe-barack-obama/ar-AAnXZdW?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

This quote says it all. People assume he has more information. People assume he knows what he is talking about. Maybe there is something in the story? Maybe there is an ounce of truth in it? How can we know for sure? We can't. And Trump uses that. It's the same teick all the time.

When Trump says something absolutely crazy, when it's an obvious lie, he should have to face that. Otherwise people will get used to it and soon we will begin to accept it.

We do know for sure this time. The daft fuck should know everything Obama knew. There is no criminal investigation or the FBI director wouldn't be blowing a gasket and demanding the Department of Justice call the President a bullshitter (in nicer words than that, of course). Trump's instead calling for congress to investigate to find out things which he could know by asking his own staff. Which means he's lying, deliberately and maliciously or because he's delusionally credulous. The problem is that there are way too many people who do reason that he must be right or know something. Just as there are people who believed the Brexit promises which were equally unhitched from reality.
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If he had a good a relationship with the intelligence agencies maybe he would know what the fuck is going on.

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“He must know something beyond what’s on Breitbart,” Ingraham said.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-republicans-see-a-%E2%80%98deep-state%E2%80%99-foe-barack-obama/ar-AAnXZdW?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

This quote says it all. People assume he has more information. People assume he knows what he is talking about. Maybe there is something in the story? Maybe there is an ounce of truth in it? How can we know for sure? We can't. And Trump uses that. It's the same teick all the time.

When Trump says something absolutely crazy, when it's an obvious lie, he should have to face that. Otherwise people will get used to it and soon we will begin to accept it.

The problem is that he is the president, and everybody else is too bloody nice and well mannered to say "shut the fuck up you fucking idiot".
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Let poor people die and get sick to subsidise tax cuts for the rich...

Paul Ryan must be having a wet dream over this. When people wonder why the GOP don't stop Trump this is why. He may be a deranged, sleep-deprived, nut-job man-baby who might bring about World War 3... but hey!... tax cuts for the rich baby!

What is so despicable is that these people don't pay taxes anyway. It is all boxed off by the accountants-Trump hasn't paid tax for years it's probably the links to god know who, he is afraid of revealing. Like in our country when Osborne promised to go after tax avoiders til he discovered his family business was offshore too. Apparently only one case has been successful.
They promise tax cuts for all, and screw it back in other ways like 20% Vat. in essence a tax on poor people.
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What is so despicable is that these people don't pay taxes anyway. It is all boxed off by the accountants-Trump hasn't paid tax for years it's probably the links to god know who, he is afraid of revealing. Like in our country when Osborne promised to go after tax avoiders til he discovered his family business was offshore too. Apparently only one case has been successful.
They promise tax cuts for all, and screw it back in other ways like 20% Vat. in essence a tax on poor people.

Some misinformation in there but DT hasn't paid taxes as he lost a shit load of money so has loads of losses to use and carry forward. Great business mind my arse
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It's fucking ridiculous isn't it?  What need is there for an investigation if not to seek proof?  But "President" Trump has access to ALL the information via CIA, FBI etc, and tweets as though he HAS proof already.  There's no NEED for an investigation - you should just order Obama's arrest.
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"Sean Sphincter..."  :lmao

It's fucking ridiculous isn't it?  What need is there for an investigation if not to seek proof?  But "President" Trump has access to ALL the information via CIA, FBI etc, and tweets as though he HAS proof already.  There's no NEED for an investigation - you should just order Obama's arrest.

He was asked that directly by NBC/MSNBC's Hallie Jackson.

https://twitter.com/TomNamako/status/839202704794796036

Even Spicer's explanation doesn't make sense. The President doesn't direct prosecutions or FBI investigations so congress investigating doesn't add or subtract credibility. Amusingly, Spicer does confirm that Trump hasn't spoken to anyone who'd know about his phones being tapped. That's how much it worried Trump.
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