Author Topic: Skrtel´s contract extension solved (Read 9941 times)

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #40 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:16:21 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 18, 2015, 04:10:19 pm

Who scored have him ranked as our third best player statistically behind Coutinho and Sterling and Squawka have him ranked as our best defender and the 5th best defender in the country. You look at him and like Carra before him he has seen off all comers for the shirt and has been a consistent first choice centre back for Rafa, Hodgson, Kenny and Brendan so he must be doing something right.

Stopped there. I refuse to take it seriously after they had Patrice Evra in their team of the season before he left despite him being fucking awful for most of it.

jepovic · « **Reply #41 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:17:29 pm »

Great player, almost invincible, and if the rest had half his competitiveness we would have been fine.
Probably one of our cheapest players per minute on the pitch.

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #42 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:20:34 pm »

Quote from: jepovic on June 18, 2015, 04:17:29 pm

Great player, almost invincible

How can people genuinely say something like this about Martin Skrtel and be serious. You're all fucking mad.

Eeyore · « **Reply #43 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:26:48 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 04:20:34 pm

How can people genuinely say something like this about Martin Skrtel and be serious. You're all fucking mad.

Or maybe it's just you who has a different view that isn't backed up by anything quantifiable because all the stats suggest that Skrtel is one of the best centre backs in the League. A view that has also been taken by our last four managers.

Chris~ · « **Reply #44 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:30:34 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 18, 2015, 04:26:48 pm

Or maybe it's just you who has a different view that isn't backed up by anything quantifiable because all the stats suggest that Skrtel is one of the best centre backs in the League. A view that has also been taken by our last four managers.

Pretty sure most stats guys tend to not use, or rely on defensive stats.

If you want something quantifiable look at our positions and defensive records whilst Skrtel has been a regular starter under those 4 managers

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #45 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:35:04 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 18, 2015, 04:26:48 pm

Or maybe it's just you who has a different view that isn't backed up by anything quantifiable because all the stats suggest that Skrtel is one of the best centre backs in the League. A view that has also been taken by our last four managers.

Why watch players when you can go on Who Scored to find out Lovren had a better season than Lucas because he has a higher rating or Simon Mignolet was our 15th best player this season just behind Glen Johnson in 14th place. Yeah, ok.

Miltonred · « **Reply #46 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:40:17 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 03:54:24 pm

I genuinely can't comprehend anyone thinking Skrtel is among the best centre backs in the league. It's Arsenalesque behaviour.

If Skrtel played for another team nobody would think he was a top centre back on here. No chance.

Your having a laugh mate? He's no Beckenbauer but he is a top level CB, and he's been miles better than Kompany, anyone at United and everyone else bar the Chelsea pair (and to be hones they get an easy life the way Bourinho set-up) and Koscielny.

To be honest I think he should be our captain.

Now can all the whingers who pointed to the Skrtel contract demonstrating that the club is in meltdown, now confess to being shit houses?

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #47 on:** June 18, 2015, 04:43:56 pm »

Quote from: Miltonred on June 18, 2015, 04:40:17 pm

Your having a laugh mate? He's no Beckenbauer but he is a top level CB, and he's been miles better than Kompany, anyone at United and everyone else bar the Chelsea pair (and to be hones they get an easy life the way Bourinho set-up) and Koscielny.

To be honest I think he should be our captain.

Now can all the whingers who pointed to the Skrtel contract demonstrating that the club is in meltdown, now confess to being shit houses?

Kompany didn't have a great season but anyone who even suggests Kompany isn't a far superior player to Skrtel is deluded.

Draex · « **Reply #48 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:03:22 pm »

Body Slam!

didi shamone · « **Reply #49 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:03:28 pm »

Quote from: Le Jake on June 18, 2015, 12:36:45 pm

Good.

It will stop some of the stupid moaning fucks moaning.

Stop fucking moaning then

rickardinho1 · « **Reply #50 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:07:16 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 03:42:29 pm

Well, I don't think he is. He's not even close to the best centre backs in the league.

It's only whoscored, but it sure does destroy the "not even close" argument of yours

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #51 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:16:20 pm »

Another season of sitting on our 18 yard box then.

Chris~ · « **Reply #52 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:17:57 pm »

Probably worth pointing out Curtis Davies was the second highest rated centre back on whoscored that year.

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #53 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:21:19 pm »

Quote from: rickardinho1 on June 18, 2015, 05:07:16 pm

It's only whoscored, but it sure does destroy the "not even close" argument of yours

Yeah, you've completely destroyed it there. James Tomkins must be up there among the best then as Who Scored told me.

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #54 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:22:03 pm »

Quote from: Chris~ on June 18, 2015, 05:17:57 pm

Probably worth pointing out Curtis Davies was the second highest rated centre back on whoscored that year.

Up there among the best as well.

Eeyore · « **Reply #55 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:22:25 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 04:35:04 pm

Why watch players when you can go on Who Scored to find out Lovren had a better season than Lucas because he has a higher rating or Simon Mignolet was our 15th best player this season just behind Glen Johnson in 14th place. Yeah, ok.

Watch players you mean the way our last 4 managers have. So you have the opinion of various managers and you have the stats backing that up. The lad is solid, dependable, has a great attitude, is always fit and most importantly for me is one of the few players who never hides and sticks up for his team mates.

Red Sea · « **Reply #56 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:24:52 pm »

didn't whoscore have dejan lovren as the best cb in the league last year?

I return to my question of, if we have the best/one of the best cbs in the league, the 2 best young players, the best cb (sakho), the best box to box mid why are we so fucking awful?!?!

The only point skrtel looked a competent player was in the 3, afforded an incredible amount of protection. Outside of that, he's poor.

Red_Irishman · « **Reply #57 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:26:21 pm »

Good stuff, he's decent and better than some turnip they would probably sign to replace him. Look at the positives.

RideTheWalrus · « **Reply #58 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:26:36 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 18, 2015, 05:22:25 pm

Watch players you mean the way our last 4 managers have. So you have the opinion of various managers and you have the stats backing that up. The lad is solid, dependable, has a great attitude, is always fit and most importantly for me is one of the few players who never hides and sticks up for his team mates.

He's great at last ditch tackles. However, he always seems to get himself into situations where he needs to make last ditch tackles...

Eeyore · « **Reply #59 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:29:03 pm »

Quote from: Red Sea on June 18, 2015, 05:24:52 pm

didn't whoscore have dejan lovren as the best cb in the league last year?

I return to my question of, if we have the best/one of the best cbs in the league, the 2 best young players, the best cb (sakho), the best box to box mid why are we so fucking awful?!?!

The only point skrtel looked a competent player was in the 3, afforded an incredible amount of protection. Outside of that, he's poor.

How is Skrtel afforded an incredible amount of protection ?

He is playing in front of a keeper who is great shot stopper but doesn't come off his line, behind a none existent defensive midfield and two wing backs who spend most of the game in the opposition's half.

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #60 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:29:18 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 05:21:19 pm

Yeah, you've completely destroyed it there. James Tomkins must be up there among the best then as Who Scored told me.

I remember a certain respected (former) poster on here said Tomkins would be a good buy for us.

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #61 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:31:41 pm »

Quote from: Red Sea on June 18, 2015, 05:24:52 pm

didn't whoscore have dejan lovren as the best cb in the league last year?

No, that was a different statistical measurement - CIES.

Quote from: Red Sea on June 18, 2015, 05:24:52 pm

didn't whoscore have dejan lovren as the best cb in the league last year?

I return to my question of, if we have the best/one of the best cbs in the league, the 2 best young players, the best cb (sakho), the best box to box mid why are we so fucking awful?!?!

Who says we have the best "box-to-box" mid?

Our midfield is poor. That's nothing to do with talents like Sakho, Coutinho, Sterling, etc. Skrtel is a good, reliable CB in a functioning system.

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #62 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:34:00 pm »

Quote from: Kopenhagen on June 18, 2015, 05:29:18 pm

I remember a certain respected (former) poster on here said Tomkins would be a good buy for us.

He's bound to be right if he's a respected rawk poster.

Red Sea · « **Reply #63 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:37:48 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 18, 2015, 05:29:03 pm

How is Skrtel afforded an incredible amount of protection ?

He is playing in front of a keeper who is great shot stopper but doesn't come off his line, behind a none existent defensive midfield and two wing backs who spend most of the game in the opposition's half.

Playing behind 2 much better players, with 2 wing backs and hackers like lucas and allen.
There appears to be the idea, that only liverpool afford their defenders poor protection. Aside from chelsea/soton it is widespread. Arsenal went 2/3 of the season without a competent dm while battling swathes of injuries, ditto united. despite this koscielny is much the better defender. Look at mangala and kompany, derided on here yet have a non-existent midfield ahead of them. Its eems excuses are given to our players but not to others when it comes to comparisons. That means the liverpool player always wins, even when the inferiority is stark.

Red Sea · « **Reply #64 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:39:19 pm »

Quote from: Kopenhagen on June 18, 2015, 05:31:41 pm

No, that was a different statistical measurement - CIES.

Who says we have the best "box-to-box" mid? Our midfield is poor. That's nothing to do with talents like Sakho, Coutinho, Sterling, etc. Skrtel is a good, reliable CB in a functioning system.

Largely agree, skrtel is a gary cahill level of player, without the pace and ability on the ball. A functional player. But he is way too erratic to be an elite cb in my eyes.

Coolie High · « **Reply #65 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:46:05 pm »

Mr Miyagi, saying Skrtel is one oft he best Cbs in the league isn't really saying much, not saying he is Thiago Silva or anything. But we're in a generation with ever so few cbs you could call top class, in fact i could probably count them on one hand and still have a finger or two left. Kompany regarded by the best defender over the last couple years, has been abysmal over the past year or so.

Cahill has had a stop and start season, in the last one and no one could argue ihe is top quality.

Then we've got Terry, the best of the bunch, but currently with his age only in a system that Mourinho employs.

Koscieny is the other one i rate very highly and i would have him alongside Terry as the best defender in the league. Sakho i think will reach that level or even pass it soon with a season of consistent football.

Past that you start to struggle, so the assertion that Skrtel is one of the best cbs really isn't an outlandish claim, he doesn't get half the protection some of these cbs in other teams do, and he actually has been one of the better defenders in the league if you take into consideration his last two years.

dimitri · « **Reply #66 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:46:29 pm »

Quote from: Red Sea on June 18, 2015, 03:54:35 pm

He was, a few years ago. Wouldn't say he is at all these days. I keep hearing about all these boss player we have. Sterling - best youngster in europe, Sakho - best cb in the league, Can - new schweinsteiger, Henderson - top class box to box mid, etc. And yet we keep struggling with these players. I'm inclined to think they're nowhere near as accomplished as they're built up on here. Skrtel is a great example of that.
That being said he was competent in a 3 so, good news.

Probably because they have been played in different positions?
As mentioned a few posts above Skrtel has been one of our best players this season.

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #67 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:53:23 pm »

Quote from: Coolie High on June 18, 2015, 05:46:05 pm

Mr Miyagi, saying Skrtel is one oft he best Cbs in the league isn't really saying much, not saying he is Thiago Silva or anything. But we're in a generation with ever so few cbs you could call top class, in fact i could probably count them on one hand and still have a finger or two left. Kompany regarded by the best defender over the last couple years, has been abysmal over the past year or so.

Cahill has had a stop and start season, in the last one and no one could argue ihe is top quality.

Then we've got Terry, the best of the bunch, but currently with his age only in a system that Mourinho employs.

Koscieny is the other one i rate very highly and i would have him alongside Terry as the best defender in the league. Sakho i think will reach that level or even pass it soon with a season of consistent football.

Past that you start to struggle, so the assertion that Skrtel is one of the best cbs really isn't an outlandish claim, he doesn't get half the protection some of these cbs in other teams do, and he actually has been one of the better defenders in the league if you take into consideration his last two years.

The players you have named, I think Skrtel is clearly a level below them. That's why I don't think he's among the best.

Fonte for example has been really good this past couple of seasons but I don't think he's not among the best either. He's around that Skrtel level.

Eeyore · « **Reply #68 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:54:39 pm »

Quote from: Red Sea on June 18, 2015, 05:37:48 pm

Playing behind 2 much better players, with 2 wing backs and hackers like lucas and allen.
There appears to be the idea, that only liverpool afford their defenders poor protection. Aside from chelsea/soton it is widespread. Arsenal went 2/3 of the season without a competent dm while battling swathes of injuries, ditto united. despite this koscielny is much the better defender. Look at mangala and kompany, derided on here yet have a non-existent midfield ahead of them. Its eems excuses are given to our players but not to others when it comes to comparisons. That means the liverpool player always wins, even when the inferiority is stark.

We largely played a 3 with Skrtel tasked with playing the dominant central role picking up the opposition's main striker, as for two much better players I presume you mean Can who whilst being young and talented was given a torrid time in plenty of games and Sakho who unfortunately didn't get onto the pitch often enough and whilst talented hasn't nailed down a starting place.

As for the rest of it, come off it Arsenal may of had injuries but they still had someone sitting and they also have an abundant supply of pacey full backs who continually cover in behind the centre backs. City ditto, they play with a DM and full backs who defend very well. United have the likes of Carrick and Blind who sit and offer protection and simply don't leave their central defenders exposed the way we do especially when we play in a two.

I don't see the problem with giving Skrtel another deal he is a solid performer and has a great injury record, if he doesn't perform then other players will play ahead of him.

Fromola · « **Reply #69 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:04:24 pm »

Been excellent considering he's been without a midfield in front of him (namely a DM bar Lucas) for the last 5 years and with a manager for the last three who can't seem to coach a defence. I'd rather keep him than get another "Premier League proven" leader like Lovren or Ashley Williams.

SuperStevieNicol · « **Reply #70 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:14:10 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 03:54:24 pm

I genuinely can't comprehend anyone thinking Skrtel is among the best centre backs in the league. It's Arsenalesque behaviour.

If Skrtel played for another team nobody would think he was a top centre back on here. No chance.

Could not disagree more. He's a top centre back and I cannot see what makes you think otherwise. He's been a mainstay in a team that has been top 4 / 6 for the last few seasons, captain of his national team (who top their Euro qualifying group) and I think most would accept our most consistent defender. Funny how all managers he's worked under have picked him on a regular basis.

SuperStevieNicol · « **Reply #71 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:15:30 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 05:53:23 pm

The players you have named, I think Skrtel is clearly a level below them. That's why I don't think he's among the best.

Fonte for example has been really good this past couple of seasons but I don't think he's not among the best either. He's around that Skrtel level.

If you think Skrtel is clearly a level below Cahill I give up.

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #72 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:21:47 pm »

Quote from: SuperStevieNicol on June 18, 2015, 06:15:30 pm

If you think Skrtel is clearly a level below Cahill I give up.

Give up then. Cahill is at the bottom of those listed. He's still better than Skrtel.

SuperStevieNicol · « **Reply #73 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:27:45 pm »

Quote from: Mr_Miyagi on June 18, 2015, 06:21:47 pm

Give up then. Cahill is at the bottom of those listed. He's still better than Skrtel.

Rubbish. Cahill of Chelsea fine with Terry alongside him and Matic in front. Cahill of England, slow, positionally weak and gives the ball away. If Cahill was playing for us alongside Skrtel I know who I'd want to keep.

redgriffin73 · « **Reply #74 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:34:49 pm »

He has posted on his official Instagram that the Facebook page this info came from is not an official one. Whether this means the contract stuff is wrong though...

https://instagram.com/p/4E8Fl9AUHw/?taken-by=martin37skrtel

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #75 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:35:47 pm »

Quote from: SuperStevieNicol on June 18, 2015, 06:27:45 pm

Rubbish. Cahill of Chelsea fine with Terry alongside him and Matic in front. Cahill of England, slow, positionally weak and gives the ball away. If Cahill was playing for us alongside Skrtel I know who I'd want to keep.

You're obviously basing your whole opinion on one game against Slovenia because that's rubbish. He's been good for England in the main and I normally think everyone is shit in an England shirt.

Alf · « **Reply #76 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:40:08 pm »

Best defender at the club, I'm glad common sense has prevailed.

gaztop08 · « **Reply #77 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:50:34 pm »

been here some years now

007.lankyguy · « **Reply #78 on:** June 18, 2015, 06:53:59 pm »

Quote from: Alf on June 18, 2015, 06:40:08 pm

Best defender at the club, I'm glad common sense has prevailed.

Now that is silly. Sakho is a much superior player to Skrtel

Eeyore · « **Reply #79 on:** June 18, 2015, 07:18:34 pm »

Quote from: lankyguy007 on June 18, 2015, 06:53:59 pm

Now that is silly. Sakho is a much superior player to Skrtel

Players are only superior if they are regularly available and until Sakho can string together a run of games then much like Sturridge he is more of a luxury than a consistent reliable performer.