Topic: Booooooooooo

[Timbo's Goals]

Its not hard to see how the problems within (team) get dispersed to the problem between (supporters).  Its called leakage.  The problem in one domain leaks into others as means to maintain homeostasis.  Its funny as sometimes this leakage can be mistaken for legitimate criticism as your apt post of a week ago helps us address.  It does seem that we tend towards the poles here, but then again so has LFC's performances.

Human nature is to start a hierarchy of representation to make understanding of such huge swings and expectations.  But, you make some good points here Timbo. 

My gripe (and I expect Chopper's too) is that very few people are qualified to make the decisions BR is getting paid to do (and if he wants to sub off Emre Can, then by god he should be able to do that at home without the negative energy).  This type of energy can embolden our opponent and deflate belief within the team....

Its the difference between an individualistic lens of supporting (I paid my money and I am entitled to boo versus a collective one where self-control and belief in the process override our most base impulses).  Three losses in a week brings enough negative energy and I am not sure how booing makes any of us better (other than showing displeasure for a few seconds and looking like a git who gets angry at the drop of a hat).... 

Yesterday was pretty obvious.  Clearly, Chelsea are better and it is pretty obvious we have thought we are better than we really are.  We have been here before (see season 1 under Rodgers) ----> and he turned it around.

Also, it is not lost on me that this occurred during the Chelsea match...  See what they did to Rafa....  Booing is in the plastic DNA... We do not have to become like them to beat them.

That's a good point J. [the highlighted bit]

And I can only agree that in essence it is the right stance. I think, however, the problem is this - certainly from my own experience.

Under Phil Taylor we tended to accept we were pretty mediocre. we had mediocre players and no great expectations. Under Shanks that changed quite starkly. All of a sudden with St John, and Yeats there was an entirely different complexion. We started to think big and soon the bigness was a reality. It meant that under shanks and Bob P and Joe F there never for the most part seemed to be a time when you could question a selection decision or a tactic. They invariably seemed to have the answers in that we invariably seemed to have teams that did the business. A bit like last year in fact. 

For the most part that continued under Kenny but there was an element of disagreement amongst certain sections  of the fan base who absolutely loved Craig Johnstone and we'ren't best pleased when  he couldn't get in the team [usually due to Ronnie Whelan]. It was never open disgruntlement but it was there.

Towards the end of Kenny's reign the team selections/signings became more questionable and so fans began to think they knew better than the manager. That was an entirely new phenomenon that I'd never encountered before but it was borne as much from the manager not making the right selections and signing the right players [David Speedie] as it was from the fans being big-headed - albeit I'm not for a single moment saying a lot of heads weren't far too big  .

Whatever it was, though, the thing was the genie was out of the bottle. The Neutron bomb had been invented. It was never going to go away and the arrival of the phone-ins and the internet has guaranteed it is still with us only a million times more prevalent.

Moving on through the Souness, Evans, Houliier and Benitez eras the phenomenon of fans knowing better than the manager gathered increasing pace. As with the later Kenny era this owed as much to managerial shortcomings as it did to fans whose heads had gotten too big. The essence of it was that whenever things were going badly it really did tend to be a reflection of the manager getting things wrong. And vice versa of course.

Moving on to today - or Satdee - the substitution of Can and Coutinho just felt like the wrong decision to 90% of the crowd. Brendan may well have had an insight which provided him with good reason but as I said the genie is out of the bottle some many years passed and the fans simply do not abide by the same codes as they did had Shanks or paisley made such a decision. And so fans challenging such a decision was as inevitable as mario struggling to carve out a scoring opportunity.   

I'm not saying this little potted history excuses the booing but it does help provide some background as to why so many fans feel empowered to question what's happening or not happening as the case may be.

 

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Good post timbo, think the growth of the likes of talksport and 606 have also contributed to it probably more though (not just for us but football in general)

[Manila Vanilla]

If you’ve paid £60 for a ticket it’s entirely logical to boo someone who’s underperforming. He’s being paid a fortune and he’ll ditch your club as soon as you stop “matching his ambitions” or if his agent finds him a better deal.

The problem is that football supporting isn’t based on a logical model. It makes absolutely no sense to get worked up about a bunch of young men kicking about a piece of plastic. It’s about the values that you infuse into that model. Before my first game, one of the three golden rules was that you never boo your own players and it’s stuck with me ever since.

We live in a blame culture. For every goal conceded Sky TV will told us who lost his man and then explain a series of knock-on events more complex than the outbreak of World War I. We can now allocate blame to six decimal places. In my day we didn’t need that technology. If you conceded a goal it was because of Joey Jones – and we forgave him immediately.

If you apply the same logic to your family then you remonstrate with those of your children who don’t come home with A+ results. You withdraw your support from them. Equally, you don’t expect them to see you just as a cash cow who can be manipulated to the nth degree to squeeze out a bit more cash.

But that’s what football has become. The sponsors and customers put up the cash and the club is expected to provide the results and reflected glory. Failure to respect the contract will bring immediate criticism. The club will squeeze you until the pips come out. TV is the voyeur who just wants a bit of drama. It’s a purely transactional model now.

It’s entirely logical – and that’s why it’s not worth bothering about it anymore. 

[Culaldinho]

Not surprised at all by the booing especially if you read post match threads on here. Surprised it hasn't happened sooner.  It's the modern football fan mentality, they expect everything yesterday..

[BrandoLFC]

Expect everything yesterday?  Did this team not challenge for the title last year and the expectations coming into this season was top 4 at worst?  Instead not only are we horrid but we're boring, does anybody dispute the fact that watching the team currently play is like watching paint dry?  There's no spark, fire or offensive spirit.

[4pool]

I usually pay £1,000 to £1,500 to see a couple matches by the time you add in airfare and the rest when I come over.

I wouldn't boo.

Doesn't make me a super fan. That's just how i'm wired. I'm coming to support come what may. Of course we mainly win when I show up so that helps..

4-0-0 under Brendan.
3-1-2 under Kenny.
19-1-0 under Rafa.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

That's a good point J. [the highlighted bit]

And I can only agree that in essence it is the right stance. I think, however, the problem is this - certainly from my own experience.

Under Phil Taylor we tended to accept we were pretty mediocre. we had mediocre players and no great expectations. Under Shanks that changed quite starkly. All of a sudden with St John, and Yeats there was an entirely different complexion. We started to think big and soon the bigness was a reality. It meant that under shanks and Bob P and Joe F there never for the most part seemed to be a time when you could question a selection decision or a tactic. They invariably seemed to have the answers in that we invariably seemed to have teams that did the business. A bit like last year in fact. 

For the most part that continued under Kenny but there was an element of disagreement amongst certain sections  of the fan base who absolutely loved Craig Johnstone and we'ren't best pleased when  he couldn't get in the team [usually due to Ronnie Whelan]. It was never open disgruntlement but it was there.

Towards the end of Kenny's reign the team selections/signings became more questionable and so fans began to think they knew better than the manager. That was an entirely new phenomenon that I'd never encountered before but it was borne as much from the manager not making the right selections and signing the right players [David Speedie] as it was from the fans being big-headed - albeit I'm not for a single moment saying a lot of heads weren't far too big  .

Whatever it was, though, the thing was the genie was out of the bottle. The Neutron bomb had been invented. It was never going to go away and the arrival of the phone-ins and the internet has guaranteed it is still with us only a million times more prevalent.

Moving on through the Souness, Evans, Houliier and Benitez eras the phenomenon of fans knowing better than the manager gathered increasing pace. As with the later Kenny era this owed as much to managerial shortcomings as it did to fans whose heads had gotten too big. The essence of it was that whenever things were going badly it really did tend to be a reflection of the manager getting things wrong. And vice versa of course.

Moving on to today - or Satdee - the substitution of Can and Coutinho just felt like the wrong decision to 90% of the crowd. Brendan may well have had an insight which provided him with good reason but as I said the genie is out of the bottle some many years passed and the fans simply do not abide by the same codes as they did had Shanks or paisley made such a decision. And so fans challenging such a decision was as inevitable as mario struggling to carve out a scoring opportunity.   

I'm not saying this little potted history excuses the booing but it does help provide some background as to why so many fans feel empowered to question what's happening or not happening as the case may be.

 

Very helpful and perceptive Alan. 

In a second read of this, as I really enjoy reading about the 'edgy' historical progression of the club, it makes me wonder what the role of supporting the club at LFC should entail.  While I am vociferous in my belief with respect to challenging club management (executives or capital) in their decision-making, I am reticent to do this as much with our gaffer (as I have a little experience in coaching here in states, getting licensed, running sessions, etc.) and know how difficult it is for outsiders to fully comprehend what goes on inside a team. 

As a result, I am far from someone who could educate Brendan upon what needs to be done or pretend that what I have to contribute is more than a self-serving opinion with limited perspective.  I have opinions, but just like everyone else, 99% of it is better kept of them to ourselves or loved ones.   

Supporting should be much more than self-masturbatory weekly lineup posts, short-sighted rants or embarking on an agenda to remove certain players (at least without using the gaffer/staff as a guide).  We have to admit, we experience LFC is many different ways. 

While I choose to see people as smarter than they get credit for, I do witness a form of individualistic piling on where supporters spend half their time here spewing emotion, partial analysis (agnotology or the study of ignorance) and nonsense.  *** something you recently posted about

I am not sure this post is in response Timbo or me going on riff here, but I am convinced that LFC would have struggled this fall regardless of signings, lineups, and top name transfers... This might be fatalistic, but our meteoric rise last year and the subsequent events leading to transfers out and in with a team full of internationals in a shortened practice periods in a post-world cup year was always going to be a tough ask for a newly promoted Champions League team with a relatively new coach.

While I realize this response involves about 4 excuses and some excellent doses of minimization, the distractions have played a huge part in our set-plays, final third decision-making, and defensive bad habits....

Thanks for the high level conversation in this thread.

 

[Redman0151]

Expect everything yesterday?  Did this team not challenge for the title last year and the expectations coming into this season was top 4 at worst?  Instead not only are we horrid but we're boring, does anybody dispute the fact that watching the team currently play is like watching paint dry?  There's no spark, fire or offensive spirit.

If you can't support us when it's going bad then fuck off and don't bother supporting us when it's going well

[Peabee]

The shared values have gone along with players riding on the bus with fans. The days of testimonials because it was a short career and they needed the money. Personally haven't seen a pay rise in 5 years
and we have players on £100,000 a week and a manager on 4m per year. Half the players couldn't give a crap where the play.
I think that's why maybe the modern supporters are less tolerant.

Good point.  The connection between fans and players/manager has diminished since they all became grossly wealthy. 

I can see both sides of the argument: the sense of community that should and used to permeate a stadium, cheering the team whatever the score or occasion.  But the world has changed, and the game has changed, with the clubs seeing fans as consumers, extracting as much money as possible each match day, so a bad performance feels heavy on the pocket too. 

Football clubs now take advantage of the loyalty of an average football fan (though there are more fans these days that change allegiance i.e. Glory grabbers).   I can see why a "paying customer" would boo, but I can also feel the pain of that sense of community disappearing before our eyes.  Capitalism means it's likely to get worse rather than better though. 

[Chavasse1917]

If you can't support us when it's going bad then fuck off and don't bother supporting us when it's going well

Hear, bloody hear. I would NEVER EVER boo a Liverpool team or slate a player at a match.  As has been posted it serves no purpose at the game other than to demoralise those in a red shirt on the pitch and encourage the opposition. I see it as a privilege to be able to be at a Liverpool match and will always do anything that I feel can help the team on the pitch.

If there is a cause to be followed, such as getting rid of the Owl, do it after the game or some other way but for f***s sake support the team during the game itself.

[lgvkarlos]

Good point.  The connection between fans and players/manager has diminished since they all became grossly wealthy. 

I can see both sides of the argument: the sense of community that should and used to permeate a stadium, cheering the team whatever the score or occasion.  But the world has changed, and the game has changed, with the clubs seeing fans as consumers, extracting as much money as possible each match day, so a bad performance feels heavy on the pocket too. 

Football clubs now take advantage of the loyalty of an average football fan (though there are more fans these days that change allegiance i.e. Glory grabbers).   I can see why a "paying customer" would boo, but I can also feel the pain of that sense of community disappearing before our eyes.  Capitalism means it's likely to get worse rather than better though. 

Problem I have is I agree with the OP, and also agree with the people who are arguing the opposite.

[BrandoLFC]

If you can't support us when it's going bad then fuck off and don't bother supporting us when it's going well

You're right.  I think whether it be the Club, SoS or some other fan group they should form a squad that walks around Anfield and anybody that voices any displeasure that would conflict with true fan principles they should tear up their membership card on the spot and escort them from the premises.  With UKIP on the way up I'm sure this will be possible in the near future......

[Culaldinho]

Expect everything yesterday?  Did this team not challenge for the title last year and the expectations coming into this season was top 4 at worst?  Instead not only are we horrid but we're boring, does anybody dispute the fact that watching the team currently play is like watching paint dry?  There's no spark, fire or offensive spirit.

We overachieved last year & and are underachieving this year which is there for all to see. They say good things come to those who wait but no one likes to wait these days.

[Durlmints]

Problem I have is I agree with the OP, and also agree with the people who are arguing the opposite.

I agree.

[That Kennedy moment]

I'm actually not offended, we're all entitled to our opinion.  Some people may think the changes and some may not, nothing wrong with voicing our opinions.  We're not in an Orwellian future yet.

You ever been to England?

As for the booing, this is an inevitable consequence of turning a sport into entertainment. People are coming to expect to be entertained. The fact they have to stretch to £60 in order to watch us play means their sense of entitlement is ramped up exponentially.

When we used to stand on terraces, the football was almost incidental. My best memories of going the game in the 80s were not about watching Rush, or Dalglish, or Barnes or Beardsley, it was all about the craic, the raucous atmosphere, the crowd surges. That's all been taken away, and the atmosphere has been sanitised; everything about the fan experience rests on the result now.

Throw in the fact that Sky continually overhype the players and the Premier League (they have to in order to sell subscriptions) and you've got a disconnect between what new-age fans think they've bought into and what they've actually paid to watch. It jars with them. These people are consumers, and the product they've bought isn't working.

Most of us know the Premier League is emperor's new clothes, but instead of looking at the problem (the whole game has been corrupted) these people are taking out their frustration on their own team.

[That Kennedy moment]

Ground was full of c*nts wearing half and half scarves today, all merrily clicking away with their camera phones. Why would anyone expect anything different?

The worst I saw was at Fulham away last season. While some fans in our end were setting off smoke bombs, there were Fulham fans in the stand next to us watching the game through head cameras, or filming it/watching it through iPads.

As BCCC said, the game's gone to shite.

[Redman0151]

You're right.  I think whether it be the Club, SoS or some other fan group they should form a squad that walks around Anfield and anybody that voices any displeasure that would conflict with true fan principles they should tear up their membership card on the spot and escort them from the premises.  With UKIP on the way up I'm sure this will be possible in the near future......

Actually that was a (paraphrased) quote from Bill Shankly, pretty much the polar opposite of UKIP, closer to one of those bloody commies that you yanks hate getting near your franchises

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Actually that was a (paraphrased) quote from Bill Shankly, pretty much the polar opposite of UKIP, closer to one of those bloody commies that you yanks hate getting near your franchises

Please do not characterize all "yanks"... It does a disservice to you and is wholly inaccurate.

[G1 Jockey 4(betfair)]

so is it heir brando or heir crosby?

you cant be both extreme left.

[Dingle Red]

So, well it happened, the final act of a fan-base becoming part of the general 'norm'.

We can now safely say we are now part of that general shoal of wanky fair weather fans that follow arsenal, chelsea, man united and city - to name but a few.

I questioned the substitutions myself, but I also saw the merits in what 'he' did.....after! I gave it time!

Fucking atrocious that noise today - shithouse knee-jerk wanky 'new-age' fan base opinions, makes me vomit. You should hang your head in shame you fucking c*nts.



You know who you are.

ive Been running out of lads to have a bevy with before and after games these days, lads who I've been going the match with for years. All been priced out of going, the ground is now full to the brim with absolute, clueless whoppers.

It's on it's arse and won't be getting back any time soon.

[BrandoLFC]

Actually that was a (paraphrased) quote from Bill Shankly, pretty much the polar opposite of UKIP, closer to one of those bloody commies that you yanks hate getting near your franchises

Actually that's pretty funny in that American sports are run rather socially with salary caps and draft picks trying to insure every team has a fair chance if run well.  While European footie is as close to true capitalism as you can find before the advent of FFP.  And FFP isn't even a sure thing at this point, the penalties to PSG and ManC are rather laughable in comparison to MLB, NBA and NFL teams that run afoul of the rules.

[the 92A]

My gripe (and I expect Chopper's too) is that very few people are qualified to make the decisions BR is getting paid to do (and if he wants to sub off Emre Can, then by god he should be able to do that at home without the negative energy).  This type of energy can embolden our opponent and deflate belief within the team....

I love that you support the manger and team through the bad times and try to not just look at what is on the surface, admirable qualities but while you may be right in terms of coaching, something about this felt wrong, because at the heart of it is the idea that you need to have taken time to understand the latest coaching manuals coach to understand and criticise what rodgers is trying to do. While there are always loads that get their opinions from pundits or whatever the latest short-term idea is this week. There are a large section of Liverpool fans who go the game who have watched Shankly and Paisley and later people like Benitez constantly challenging football orthodoxies and understand probably more than other fans that it takes time and the overcoming of setbacks to build a team, years of experience watching teams being built, at odds with the coaching orthodoxies of the age, they may not use the same terminology as the coaching manuals but they have a deep understanding of the game and although I'm dead against booing because it never helps anyone improve and is always counterproductive, especially to this team trying to intergrate many new players with a massive mental fraility, Rodgers took off the two best playing midfielders yesterday and left on Henderson who had obviously been told to stick to Fabergras and as a result was marginalised, yes he may have sports science stats or know about underlying problems that we aren't party to but certainly on the surface it was a mistake but hopefully Rodgers will learn from this period because we have some fantastic young players who haven't turned to shite in 11 games but things aren't working out and the lack of confidence is spreading throughout the team. He has a job to do and I'm confident days like yesterday will give him alot of food for thought. We weren't as bad as it felt yesterday we played well in parts but there are big descsions ahead for the manager and sometimes even great managers stumble upon solutions while facing setbacks to what they've planned

[Redman0151]

Actually that's pretty funny in that American sports are run rather socially with salary caps and draft picks trying to insure every team has a fair chance if run well.  While European footie is as close to true capitalism as you can find before the advent of FFP.  And FFP isn't even a sure thing at this point, the penalties to PSG and ManC are rather laughable in comparison to MLB, NBA and NFL teams that run afoul of the rules.

I don't really give a fuck about how American sports are run to be honest, I care about supporting LFC when i'm at the game. Key word being support.

[Working Class Hen-Pecked Hero]

I don't really give a fuck about how American sports are run to be honest, I care about supporting LFC when i'm at the game. Key word being support.

What is the point with trying to have a genuine grown up debate with you.

[Redman0151]

What is the point with trying to have a genuine grown up debate with you.

It's not a debate, the definition of a supporter is to support, not to boo your team or players. Those are the foundations that Liverpool FC were built on, and the ones getting thrown away by whoppers who don't understand what makes Liverpool FC what it is/was.

[TheTeflonJohn]

What is the point with trying to have a genuine grown up debate with you.

There`s probably no point in the debate at all when you have some who believe in total support of the team and some who believe it`s ok to have their voice (because they paid money like and that`s free will and all that) which in turn showers negativity on the players.

Booing helps fuck all and is a no go for me.

[Working Class Hen-Pecked Hero]

There`s probably no point in the debate at all when you have some who believe in total support of the team and some who believe it`s ok have their voice (because they paid money like and that`s free will and all that) which in turn showers negativity on the players.

Booing helps fuck all and is a no go for me.

Mate I said the booing is shit, it's peoples perogative, right and choice but I definitely wouldn't do it, just the overall criticism of any fan that doesn't tick the favoured RAWKites opinions are all nobheads and whoppers was/ is a bit far.

[Redman0151]

Mate I said the booing is shit, it's peoples perogative, right and choice but I definitely wouldn't do it, just the overall criticism of any fan that doesn't tick the favoured RAWKites opinions are all nobheads and whoppers was a bit far.

It's not to do with the favoured RAWKite opinions.


It's the ideals that made Liverpool FC special in the first place and the ideals that Bill Shankly put forward.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

I love that you support the manger and team through the bad times and try to not just look at what is on the surface, admirable qualities but while you may be right in terms of coaching, something about this felt wrong, because at the heart of it is the idea that you need to have taken time to understand the latest coaching manuals coach to understand and criticise what rodgers is trying to do. While there are always loads that get their opinions from pundits or whatever the latest short-term idea is this week. There are a large section of Liverpool fans who go the game who have watched Shankly and Paisley and later people like Benitez constantly challenging football orthodoxies and understand probably more than other fans that it takes time and the overcoming of setbacks to build a team, years of experience watching teams being built, at odds with the coaching orthodoxies of the age, they may not use the same terminology as the coaching manuals but they have a deep understanding of the game and although I'm dead against booing because it never helps anyone improve and is always counterproductive, especially to this team trying to integrate many new players with a massive mental fraility, Rodgers took off the two best playing midfielders yesterday and left on Henderson who had obviously been told to stick to Fabregas and as a result was marginalized, yes he may have sports science stats or know about underlying problems that we aren't party to but certainly on the surface it was a mistake but hopefully Rodgers will learn from this period because we have some fantastic young players who haven't turned to shite in 11 games but things aren't working out and the lack of confidence is spreading throughout the team. He has a job to do and I'm confident days like yesterday will give him alot of food for thought. We weren't as bad as it felt yesterday we played well in parts but there are big decisions ahead for the manager and sometimes even great managers stumble upon solutions while facing setbacks to what they've planned

First, this is a helluva of sentence in many respects (quality, truth and its run-on . 

Not much to disagree with at all.  I do think local understandings have a great deal of weight, and certainly inform engaged supporters. One need not get their coaching badges to engage in this way, granted.  However, how much of this local support is really engaged. Here on RAWK, we see ad nauseum the term OTT's for older supporters who get pushed aside all the time in the name of technology, modern day football or the business side of the sport...   

Maybe the part that does not feel right, that could be reworded by me has to do with the process of uncertainty/certainty here.   For me, there is a term called Agnotology (or the study of ignorance)...   It means that maybe I have little blip of knowledge about coaching, preparing teams to play, kinesiology etc... but I do not know what it is like to coach Liverpool or in the city of Liverpool (u6 tou21) or in Northwest England.  But I sure would try to secure this information before I went spouting off about how to do it.  This is the point that bothers me, we are all mostly operating on incomplete knowledge and yet there are some who feel it a bit more, posture at knowing a bit more or appear to have a divine connection to the internal workings of what should happen in all things LFC.  This is annoying for me being over here in the states.

As credibility, for me, resides more in the posters like Timbo or Phase of Play, the moderators and many more.  They have a discernible expertise (writer, professional coach, or researching moderators).  Dogma is aligned with this expertise. This is why I tend to defer to the stakeholders of culture, history and changing football landscape here.  Its something I am still studying.  I wish I could say the same thing for some who are closer in proximity.  Maybe its a deficit of empathy.  Maybe there are so few things in the world of economic austerity that actually matter (one's family, culture, local experience --- one's club). 

This might explain why there are hundreds here who are either trying to wind up, sound off, or sort our their own little agendas not realizing they are transmitting a mangled amalgam of partial information and partial ignorance simultaneously in a self-congratulatory tone of importance.   

Again, I cannot fault one word you have written here, as basically I am in agreement, but I do think there is something wrong with LFC supporters here.  Usually, I find fault in systems instead of individuals/groups of people, as I think this is where change is possible, but I do think Timbo is right here about how the internet, second guessing culture of the immediate, gotcha, gotta be right meme has taken over patient, respectful, logical dialogue....

Thanks for the response and I appreciate your attempt to recalibrate my view of the season

[Working Class Hen-Pecked Hero]

It's not a debate, the definition of a supporter is to support, not to boo your team or players. Those are the foundations that Liverpool FC were built on, and the ones getting thrown away by whoppers who don't understand what makes Liverpool FC what it is/was.

Think its already been discussed that booing isn't anything new, it was done in the glory days and it retuned yesterday, for some questionable decisions Rodgers made, I don't agree with it but condemning every person who doesn't share your ideologies on the club is a bit lame. If it continues and is done game in game out, at half time, full time every decision then people will start to feel more aggrieved by it, but sometimes passion and hotheadedness (not sure if thats a word) take over and the boos come out.

[TheTeflonJohn]

Mate I said the booing is shit, it's peoples perogative, right and choice but I definitely wouldn't do it, just the overall criticism of any fan that doesn't tick the favoured RAWKites opinions are all nobheads and whoppers was/ is a bit far.

The thing is, this isn`t something that`s complained about just on Rawk. I had a few pints with the lads after the game and we all said the same, bang out of order. Supporters right across our fan base will be pissed off with that yesterday, not just Rawk.

It does absolutely nothing except make the moaner feel better. It doesn`t help the team, manager, it will have the opposite affect of putting more pressure on the players when we are losing a game. What`s the point of that?

I`m not interested in this "people pay their money and have a right to voice their opinion" bollocks. If the booing contributes to stoping the players from gaining three points for us (or a point at the least) then it`s just a fucking thick thing to do.

So can people please fuck off with their thickness.

[TSC]

Personally I've never jeered the team at the game.  Sometimes sit their exasperated and swear to myself or someone sat next to me but that's about it.  On the other hand I think much of it is borne out of frustration and recognition has now dawned on most that not only did we fail to capitalise on last season's extremely excellent season, we actually completely fucked up big time, as only Liverpool seem to be able to do, with the Summer transfer business and have not merely gone a bit backwards we've fallen off a cliff.

Make no mistake some at best average players have been purchased to effectively replace a magician.  Also Brendan's initial team selection yesterday was to me bizarre (Johnson & Lovren recalled and persisting with Balotelli only up top) but then to make those subs that he did was even stranger.  He's a huge job on his hands now & he'll need not just to make the right decisions but also a bit of luck on the pitch, because right now it's difficult to see where our next league win is coming. 

We can't score and we're easy to score against.  Not a great combination that.

[harrylfc]

I've bn going the game for over 25 yrs,averaging around 20 games a season up until about 5 yrs ago.Not once in all that time have I ever booed a player,a substitution or a performance,and I've seen some shite.For me,booing does absolutly nothing but have a negative effect on the whole team,especially now when confidence is low to start with.The team,manager and individual players need backing,not booing...We LFC,not fuckin Newcastle...

[Kopite B205]

It's all because the wools are getting tickets ahead of proper scouse supporters.

Don't totally agree with that mate. Right next to me there is about 6 middle aged scousers who are complete bellends. Never sing, chat shit and turn up late and leave early. There is one particular knob who I detest with a passion; only last week against Madrid he tore a strip off Sterling at half time and said he should be hooked. It nearly caused a mini riot with some of the lads around me, after years of suffering his bile I finally told him a few home truths. The best was when I asked who he would replace him with, predictably he stumbled over his words and had no immediate answer.

Unfortunately the Kop is full of tired old relics like him. I've sat in my seat since the day the Kop was fully seated and I can honestly say there is a massive percentage of the same old faces who should have retired to the Paddock years ago. They lack passion and seem to think they have an elitist right!

I'm a scouser born and bred but in my opinion I think out of town fans get a raw deal. You just can't pingeon hole them all. I've sat next to a welsh lad for years, he's very very knowledgable, fair and vocal. A lot of these fans can appreciate the opportunity to go the game and they back the team and offer a more passionate support than some of the locals who have clearly stagnated; and probably only sit in the Kop because it's the cheaper option.

 

[Working Class Hen-Pecked Hero]

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This is the last post I'll make as mods apre probably going to get pissed off, but what you said wasn't my issue, you said the booing was bang out, and I to an extent agree with it creeping its head up it isn't going to help a thing, I just think the abuse of our own fan base, calling people c*nts, whoppers and the like isn't going to help either. I understand the need to moan at something or someone as the performance dint get the desired result and everyone is frustrated but there are grown up ways to do it without attacking our own fanbase. I questioned this and got told I didn't understand the history of the club and does "You'll never walk alone" mean anything to me. It does, obviously but if anything a lot of people are showing that as dire as things are at the moment (which they actually aren't) then the slightest talk of unhappy fans is going to be met with a barrage of abuse.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

The worst I saw was at Fulham away last season. While some fans in our end were setting off smoke bombs, there were Fulham fans in the stand next to us watching the game through head cameras, or filming it/watching it through iPads.

As BCCC said, the game's gone to shite.

have had a woman at anfield watching the game through her ipad tell me off for standing up at a corner

[I-was-watching-it-on-Sky]

We overachieved last year & and are underachieving this year which is there for all to see. They say good things come to those who wait but no one likes to wait these days.

F*** me...!

We've had a succession of managers who've arrived with a 'five year plan' and have asked us to be patient.
..to wait until it all comes good.

Is there nobody out there who's understanding of the point of view that there are those who are sick n tired of being served up shite while they wait?

[BCCC]

Gonna be a bit controversial here, not only should you not boo the team but you should try getting behind them for the 90mins they're trying to win a game on the pitch.

The fans in the ground can't put a 90min performance in but think it's ok the spew bile at the players for not doing the same.

12th man my fuckin arse.

[storkfoot]

Whilst there were an unusually large number of out of towners at the game yesterday, locals and cockneys are probably worse in venting their frustrations by booing and alike. Most of the foreigners I've sat near, if they are not supporting the team, are probably too intimidated by the local "know it alls" to mouth off.

There was booing at both the substitutions. I find that deplorable but it's happened before and it'll happen again.

We do get fleeced by the club in ticket prices. There's no doubt about that BUT, in my opinion, even if you paid £1000 for your ticket, IF YOU ARE A SUPPORTER OF LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB, you do not have the right to boo or verbally vent foul mouthed bile at your own team. The contract between supporter and team should be one of unconditional support.

The manager knows about the player's fitness levels, niggling injuries. He also knows more about football and tactics than I do, and I have played football all my life. I do not have the right to boo his decision when I am not in possession of all the facts.

One last point, we all need to move on from last season. It's gone. In my opinion, there have been some good points from the last 2 games and, let's face it, Chelsea are very very good.

Calm down everyone and get behind your team. They need us at the moment :-)

 

[Always_A_Red]

The only people I feel like booing are the ticket office who will demand c.£900 on Tuesday/Wednesday for me and me old man to watch the last 9 home games of the season