Topic: Booooooooooo

[Working Class Hen-Pecked Hero]

Let me try and explain it to you in simple terms because you clearly don't understand.

If you wear a half and half Liverpool/ Chelsea scarf then you are actually wearing Chelsea colours. That, imo, negates your right to call yourself a Liverpool supporter. You should fuck off and support somebody else because you clearly don't understand what this club is all about.
 Do you see?

I see your opinion, I dont share it but I see it

[Euskadi]

Football's gone to shit and this is the result.

no doubt there, sitting at the annie road end on the first game of the season was quite depressing.

[Bincey]

I'm not entirely sure what booing achieves.

If it's voicing disapproval for, say, a substitution, then what is that likely to result in? It's not likely that the manager will think in future I better do what the fans say, or that he won't make the same substitution in future.

If it's booing a defeat/crap performance then the players/manager will no doubt be aware of the defeat/performance themselves and will already be disappointed by it. They're not 4 year olds and wouldn't need to be told that through booing.

Someone I know was playing semi-pro in front of about 250 fans and he was getting abuse from a couple of his own supporters at a corner. So he started remonstrating with them saying, "I know we're playing shit - we don't need to be told that. Why don't you get behind us instead?" If the players are struggling with confidence and if booing affects them, the last thing they need is their own fans pointlessly making it worse.

Just don't see the point in booing at a match - if it's about venting frustration then forums like this seem to be the perfect place to do just that. 

[Timbo's Goals]

It was a weird one that yesterday and it wasn't a small group. As soon as Can's number went up the boo's were immediate, loud and wide-ranging but it did seem mostly from the Kop from were I was in the CS. I was disappointed but it never even cross my mind to express my feelings, yet so many did.

Unarguably things have changed since even just the 90's, but as a few people have said and I keep going on about it - there have always been moaners at the ground. Even post WW2 when it was crammed with 50,000 working class scousers.

The thing with the moaners though are that some of them are so fucking negative thats all they have to offer. A couple of Geordies sat behind us for the Swansea Capital Cup game and you could tell one just wanted things to go wrong so he could moan. The twat thrived on any error and highlighted them, remonstrating to his mate about the inadequacies of anyone in a red shirt. A few minutes from the end at 1-1 he exclaimed "I've got a 4 hour drive home after this fucking shite", and then we scored.

I had to restrain myself from requesting that he didn't fucking drive back, ever.

But like I said, yesterday was really odd, there was a collective outcry.

I've been going since the 1890's and have never once booed anything other than the opposition and the officials in my life. I don't particularly approve of it but it's scarcely the worst thing in the fuckin world and I have to say it unsettles me more than the booing itself to see people starting threads [as has often happened since we started having internet footy forums] condemning it so vehemently as Chopper and his cronies on here have done.

That's not to say I think he/they are wrong to do so or that booing your own team/players/manager is justified. 99% of the time it's way out of order. It's just that it does begin to hint at "I'm a better fan than you" territory - much I guess like the the message the likes of myself tend to convey when we state how many years we've been going to Anfield. 

As it was yesterday, I have to say I didn't even cotton on that there had been any booing till I saw this thread and then thought to myself - 'oh yeah I suppose there was when you come to think about it'.

But on reflection I'd say your 'collective outcry' theory is bang on the button John C.

Certainly my own perception on reflection - and one I think shared by all those around me from what I could gather in the midst of my own personal frustration at what I was witnessing and from several conversations since with family and friends - was that the performances of Stevie and Jordan were so dire, sterile and limp and so much in contrast with the energy and 'attempted' invention of the corresponding performances of Can and Coutinho that the instinctive reaction to Brendan substituting the latter two simply spilled over in the way it did as a sort of collective  "what the fuckinell d'you think you're doing Brendan yer daft bastard - along with a not quite at his best Sterling they've been our two best hopes and you're taking them off the fuckin pitch!".

So for "boo" read "what the fuck Brendan??!!!!!!!"

Am I wrong?

[Timbo's Goals]

I would also add there have always been booers and moaners and whingers at the game. probably more so than you get these days with all the disenfanchisement of the original matchgoers and the gentrification of football on the back of Sky and Gazza's tears..

Also the Kop was often shite even in the '60's.

It's just that when it was at its best it was way way way the best there ever was.

And, of course, it was THE FIRST, the originator of all the singing and chanting we now see throughout the entire football world today.

 

[TheTeflonJohn]

hope this is a wind up mate- I know loads of scousers that aren't up to the job, but because they are scousers think they have a divine right to shout non scousers down, in fact its become fair game for scousers t seek out OOTers and jump on their back because of their accent.  I remember Blackburn away 2009 December 0-0 draw   Ngog missed a sitter at the Darwen end , pure frustration after the game,  remember some fucking dickhead I know from Huyton targeting an OOTer because of his accent and stated 2 fuck off you wool your not even scouse"  you know what I would have taken that wool over the prick from Huyton anyday as he has come on the seen , bit of cash and suddenly he is Poor Scouser Tommy. Far too many whoppers and modern day fans. game over unfortunately.  How I remember football pre 1989, different world it really was.

True Paul, I think it`s unfair to blame the day trippers. Some of them don`t help and I wish they would fuck off with their iphoes and selfie sticks but like I say, not all of them are like that.

I was talking to an old time Scouser in Madrid after the game and he was with another old timer from Huddersfield. The scouser was telling me some of his tales going back to 1965 and his mate has been with him all over the place. The Huddersfield lad goes all the games no matter, including early round Carling Cup games where ever they are. That`s a commitment to be respected.

The fact is if Anfield was full of scousers only, we would still get the iphone/selfie stick brigade whingeing their fucking lives away. As many others have said in this thread, footballs fucked and will never be the same as some of us knew it.

Oh and well said Chopper.

[Auxerre 03]

I was not at the game after years of going to every game at anfield I can only go to one in four or so.  I have never booed but I have no problem with anyone that wants to.  Why not ? You are paying near Ł60 and you have a right to think what you like I say.  As for this get behind the team loyalty to the club that went away about ten years ago.   Loyalty to what ? To a billionaire American businessman who probably could not find Liverpool on a map never mind bother to see the games.  Or loyalty to a marketing brand perhaps ? Or maybe loyalty to players on Ł100k a week.  No I am sorry those days are gone I like many pick and choose when to feed the corporate monster with my money (earned very hard) so the bond is broken for me and people can boo all they like.   Am I not a proper fan ? Who knows ? Do I care ?

What do you think ?

[Xabi_14_Alonso]

A lot of people using the 60 pound ticket price as proof of the commercialisation of football. It is a solid line of reasoning and does indicate that football has become commercialised, which is undoubtedly true.

The price itself, however, is a product of demand and supply. The price will remain at 60 pounds so long as demand and supply converge at 60 pounds. When the new stadium comes and with it more seats (more supply), the price may well go down, allowing the 'true' fans to come in and not boo. The club's hand are tied. As a functioning business, it's pricing structure needs to be optimal and unfortunately, for a club the size of Liverpool with 45,000 seats, 60 pounds is about right. A financial entity that imposes a non-optimal price structure is doomed to failure.
 
The discussion surrounding whether it is acceptable to boo or not is cultural, not economic. Using price as a justification to boo results in a messy combination of the areas. Basically we are saying- given that modern football is hurting our wallets, the culture of not booing, which I interpret as part of tradition of the club, can be eradicated.

The larger argument is that commercialisation of football is a dominant reason for the loss of true football values, once agin mixing economic and cultural ideas. In my mind they don't mix. The culture of booing or not booing, or other such values, is not a product of financial factors. It depends on how deeply ingrained said values are amongst the fan base.

Football fans are changing not because the money is bigger. The are changing because club values (fan values) are weak and not defined.
     

[Phil M]

Imagine. Someone has spent their hard earned money, gets served absolute shite, and expresses his displeasure.

"Absolute shite" - Really?  We lost by a single goal to the best team in the country at the moment, having been denied at least one very clear penalty.

If that's your attitude mate you're best staying away from Anfield, perhaps until we start winning again, hopefully the team will be worthy of your support then and will be worth your hard earned money.

[TheTeflonJohn]

I'm not entirely sure what booing achieves.

It achieves the goal of letting other people know who the c*nts are.

[Trev20]

When's the 'fortress anfield' thread going to be unlocked? 

[Bincey]

It achieves the goal of letting other people know who the c*nts are.

 

[flipflan]

Fucking hell get off your soap boxes. People pay good money they can do what the fuck they want, if they want to wear a half and half scarf maybe its their first match or its one they've been looking forward to or they have this mad thing called free will and bought it, and why not?! Horrible nobhead better than thou attitude cos you wear your adidas trackie top the match and someone else wears their Liverpool shirt. And guess what people take photos at the match, like they would do a concert cos it probably means a great deal to them. If people want to boo its their prerogative, bet a few of yous where shouting at the tele today, doesn't make you a whopper

This

[Phil M]

Fucking hell get off your soap boxes. People pay good money they can do what the fuck they want, if they want to wear a half and half scarf maybe its their first match or its one they've been looking forward to or they have this mad thing called free will and bought it, and why not?! Horrible nobhead better than thou attitude cos you wear your adidas trackie top the match and someone else wears their Liverpool shirt. And guess what people take photos at the match, like they would do a concert cos it probably means a great deal to them. If people want to boo its their prerogative, bet a few of yous where shouting at the tele today, doesn't make you a whopper

Does singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' mean anything to you?

[Redman0151]

Does singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' mean anything to you?

I often wonder if those people can refer to themselves as supporters with a straight face

[Working Class Hen-Pecked Hero]

Does singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' mean anything to you?

It does mate, but its extended to the fan base as well. The amount of fans who believe they are better than others as they don't take a scarf the match or if they go more matches than others... Like I said some of the stuff in here is the exact same shit that the same posters give Everton fans grief for, you can't get past one page in the Everton thread for people saying #wegothegame etc.... Don't get me wrong I don't actually wear a scarf or shirt the match but I don't judge others that do

[Timbo's Goals]

Why do the views in this matter have to be so polarized?

Seeing as the entire subject is entwined in the nebulous notions of tolerance/intolerance surely there can be some common ground?

Surely those who believe fans have a right to boo can see that it's not exactly the most desirable way of manifesting your support for the club albeit frustration can sometimes get the better of anyone during the extreme passions of a game and result in behaviour [such as booing].

Ergo just fuckin admit it's not the best thing to fuckin do when you're supposed to be there to support the team. 

Conversely surely those who condemn booing outright can see that not everybody is wired up the same and there are those whose passions might just spill over into protest as they did when Liverpool's two brightest players on the day were taken off.

Ergo just fuckin admit it might not be exactly the best thing to fuckin do when you're supposed to be there to support the team but that we are all only human and all wired differently and at times frustration can get the better of anyone. 

Or am I just being naive?

 

[vicgill]

"Absolute shite" - Really?  We lost by a single goal to the best team in the country at the moment, having been denied at least one very clear penalty.

If that's your attitude mate you're best staying away from Anfield, perhaps until we start winning again, hopefully the team will be worthy of your support then and will be worth your hard earned money.

I think it should have been two penalties

[Timbo's Goals]

I think it should have been two penalties

I agree Vic. The first may have been higher up the arm - top of arm/shoulder - but the fact that he'd done a Peter Bonetti to enable himself to reach the ball means that only a ref with a pre-determined mindset to not award debatable decisions against Chelsea would not have awarded a pen. This mindset was confirmed ten fold by the second decision which was the most blatant handball in yonks with the same defender moving on from the basic peter Bonetti dive to emulate Banksie in Mexico.

The mindset reminded me very painfully of Lee Mason and his linesmen at the Etihad last season when he had a clear pre-determined agenda not to award any debatable decision to us and vice versa with City. 

[smig]

The club have got what they deserve. A passionate set of fans in that ground might have roared us on to get a point yesterday. Instead the ground's full of middle-class dickheads who don't really give a fuck and have no connection to the city because that's exactly the kind of fan people like Ayre and co want in the ground. People who spend half the game scrolling through their Twitter feed barely watching what's going on in front of them.

[Theoldkopite]

I've been going since the 1890's,....

Jesus Timbo - that's impressive. I thought I was old but compared to you I'm only a youngster. You must have got your telegram from the queen about 1990. You must be the oldest living Kopite in the whole wide world.

[Timbo's Goals]

Jesus Timbo - that's impressive. I thought I was old but compared to you I'm only a youngster. You must have got your telegram from the queen about 1990. You must be the oldest living Kopite in the whole wide world.

I look ten years younger though mate

 

[KiNki]

I agree Vic. The first may have been higher up the arm - top of arm/shoulder - but the fact that he'd done a Peter Bonetti to enable himself to reach the ball means that only a ref with a pre-determined mindset to not award debatable decisions against Chelsea would not have awarded a pen. This mindset was confirmed ten fold by the second decision which was the most blatant handball in yonks with the same defender moving on from the basic peter Bonetti dive to emulate Banksie in Mexico.

The mindset reminded me very painfully of Lee Mason and his linesmen at the Etihad last season when he had a clear pre-determined agenda not to award any debatable decision to us and vice versa with City. 

was it more blatent than the gareth barry handball not given to us this season in the derby?

[stromsgodset11]

The club have got what they deserve. A passionate set of fans in that ground might have roared us on to get a point yesterday. Instead the ground's full of middle-class dickheads who don't really give a fuck and have no connection to the city because that's exactly the kind of fan people like Ayre and co want in the ground. People who spend half the game scrolling through their Twitter feed barely watching what's going on in front of them.

So the thousands on the Kop are middle class dickheads not passionate reds ?
Fucking bollocks

[Timbo's Goals]

was it more blatent than the gareth barry handball not given to us this season in the derby?

 

Barry couldn't do a Peter Bonetti or Banksie if he tried from now to next time we win the league

[the 92A]

I've been going since the 1890's and have never once booed anything other than the opposition and the officials in my life. I don't particularly approve of it but it's scarcely the worst thing in the fuckin world and I have to say it unsettles me more than the booing itself to see people starting threads [as has often happened since we started having internet footy forums] condemning it so vehemently as Chopper and his cronies on here have done.

That's not to say I think he/they are wrong to do so or that booing your own team/players/manager is justified. 99% of the time it's way out of order. It's just that it does begin to hint at "I'm a better fan than you" territory - much I guess like the the message the likes of myself tend to convey when we state how many years we've been going to Anfield. 

As it was yesterday, I have to say I didn't even cotton on that there had been any booing till I saw this thread and then thought to myself - 'oh yeah I suppose there was when you come to think about it'.

But on reflection I'd say your 'collective outcry' theory is bang on the button John C.

Certainly my own perception on reflection - and one I think shared by all those around me from what I could gather in the midst of my own personal frustration at what I was witnessing and from several conversations since with family and friends - was that the performances of Stevie and Jordan were so dire, sterile and limp and so much in contrast with the energy and 'attempted' invention of the corresponding performances of Can and Coutinho that the instinctive reaction to Brendan substituting the latter two simply spilled over in the way it did as a sort of collective  "what the fuckinell d'you think you're doing Brendan yer daft bastard - along with a not quite at his best Sterling they've been our two best hopes and you're taking them off the fuckin pitch!".

So for "boo" read "what the fuck Brendan? ?!!!!!!!"

Am I wrong?

I think you saw the contradiction in having a pop at the 'cronies' for having a 'I'm a better fan than you' attitude and the rest of your post and fair enough , most of us are full of contradictions, it's what makes us interesting.


As one of those who you've labelled Choppers cronies, I totally hate the booing and in my opinion it has no place at Anfield. I didn't understand the substitutions and was as frustrated as anyone at Mignolet and Skrtel's inability to vary their distribution and mechanically play the ball around the back until one of the Chelsea pressers forced them into a panic ball but booing for me goes against the grain and always has. Nothing to do with being a superfan or a better fan than you attitude, I've got a season ticket but compared to the likes of John Mac who follows Liverpool to every corner of this and every other land, I'm a proper part timer and have no illusions that I am or want to be a superfan.


Apart from a 'long weekend'  at the end of the eighties and the nineties I've been going regulary since the late sixties, not as long as you but enough to have an opinion that carries a bit of weight, I grew up on the Kop and it seems to me people make two mistakes when talking a
about the past, forgetting that there was moments of frustration in our heyday, or conversly using those moments of frustration to argue that it's always been this way and therefore justifying things like booing.


For me the reason is that there was always a division in the ground between the terracing and the stands, most games of the Seventies finished with a chorus of 'Sit down yer bums' as the shopkeepers left early, but the Kop was the main influence in the ground and that was often divided between those of us in the middle and the older ones  around the edges, but the difference was 95% of the time the Kop spoke with one voice that was often influenced by those of us who liked it in the middle. Like some aways where the singers all congregate together but with a conduit that meant we could drown out anything when we wanted. Because of the social factors in the city at the time, there formed an attitude and that made us genuinely different to a lot of supporters.


I think them values are worth preserving and fighting for but they were the products of a particular city at a particular time and with the changing face of football I wonder whether we are just kidding ourselves and it does saden me when they are used to exclude OOT's  but many of the things like supporting the team through the bad patches and giving time when you can see the manager is trying to build something and not booing are things worth fighting for.

[smig]

So the thousands on the Kop are middle class dickheads not passionate reds ?
Fucking bollocks

Wind your neck in. You've completely misinterpreted what I said. The ground is full of people who shouldn't be anywhere near Anfield. The kind of people who don't contribute to a positive atmosphere whatsoever and just moan and slate the team throughout the game. People think they have a right to moan and calls the players all sorts "because I've paid my hard-earned money, I'll say what I want". There's plenty like that in every stand, including the Kop, and it isn't helping the side one bit.

[McSquared]

I've been going since the 1890's

Timbo you auld arse

[Timbo's Goals]

I think you saw the contradiction in having a pop at the 'cronies' for having a 'I'm a better fan than you' attitude and the rest of your post and fair enough , most of us are full of contradictions, it's what makes us interesting.


As one of those who you've labelled Choppers cronies, I totally hate the booing and in my opinion it has no place at Anfield. I didn't understand the substitutions and was as frustrated as anyone at Mignolet and Skrtel's inability to vary their distribution and mechanically play the ball around the back until one of the Chelsea pressers forced them into a panic ball but booing for me goes against the grain and always has. Nothing to do with being a superfan or a better fan than you attitude, I've got a season ticket but compared to the likes of John Mac who follows Liverpool to every corner of this and every other land, I'm a proper part timer and have no illusions that I am or want to be a superfan.


Apart from a 'long weekend'  at the end of the eighties and the nineties I've been going regulary since the late sixties, not as long as you but enough to have an opinion that carries a bit of weight, I grew up on the Kop and it seems to me people make two mistakes when talking a
about the past, forgetting that there was moments of frustration in our heyday, or conversly using those moments of frustration to argue that it's always been this way and therefore justifying things like booing.


For me the reason is that there was always a division in the ground between the terracing and the stands, most games of the Seventies finished with a chorus of 'Sit down yer bums' as the shopkeepers left early, but the Kop was the main influence in the ground and that was often divided between those of us in the middle and the older ones  around the edges, but the difference was 95% of the time the Kop spoke with one voice that was often influenced by those of us who liked it in the middle. Like some aways where the singers all congregate together but with a conduit that meant we could drown out anything when we wanted. Because of the social factors in the city at the time, there formed an attitude and that made us genuinely different to a lot of supporters.


I think them values are worth preserving and fighting for but they were the products of a particular city at a particular time and with the changing face of football I wonder whether we are just kidding ourselves and it does saden me when they are used to exclude OOT's  but many of the things like supporting the team through the bad patches and giving time when you can see the manager is trying to build something and not booing are things worth fighting for.

Good post Fazakerly ozzi bus. 

Cronies was a terrible term to use. It just slipped out and I apologise for it especially as like yourself i agree with the basic unrest at the booing behaviour but i do also have a problem in telling people who've paid good money that they're 'c*nts'. But regardless I should have said supporters of Chopper's stance.

As for what you say the only thing i feel compelled to point out is that just as the the lads [and lasses ] in the middle of the Kop would be singing 'Sit Down Yer bums' unbeknown to them huge flocks of Kopites at the rear and extremities would be doing wexactly the same as the exiting main standers.

I should say I've only ever left the ground early once and that was a Sunday afternoon kick -off against aston Villa when Robbbie scored that fantastic strike at the Kop goal and we were 3-0 up at half time and we shot out then with an entire half to go to get up to edinburgh to see Brucie on his solo Devils and Dust tour.

[Motty]

Booing just seems like such a fucking childish way to vent your frustration though doesn't it.

[alonsoisared]

It's always a shame to hear booing at anfield. I think we're being a little bit harsh on ourselves though, we're still unique and still different to most fans in the country. Those subs yesterday were incredible, and being against Chelsea with the ill feeling towards them, I can understand the outbursts. Doesn't make them right, and I would never do it myself, but I can see why it happened.

Also the people talking about the time we drew with West Ham to go top of the league and got booed, think you're overlooking the bigger picture there. United had two or three games in hand at the time, we had a fantastic chance at winning the league but ultimately those draws at home cost us. We went top on goal difference and by the time United played their games in hand they were 10 (?) clear of us when we met them in March.

[the 92A]

As for what you say the only thing i feel compelled to point out is that just as the the lads [and lasses ] in the middle of the Kop would be singing 'Sit Down Yer bums' unbeknown to them huge flocks of Kopites at the rear and extremities would be doing wexactly the same as the exiting main standers.

Sshhhh! my own Dad included

I should say I've only ever left the ground early once and that was a Sunday afternoon kick -off against aston Villa when Robbbie scored that fantastic strike at the Kop goal and we were 3-0 up at half time and we shot out then with an entire half to go to get up to edinburgh to see Brucie on his solo Devils and Dust tour.

I've never left early, probably because my Dad did late sixties and I hated it, promised myself I'd never do it when I went on my own and haven't since 71 although I can see the point if you've got to be somewhere for a particular reason, as a one off like

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Why do the views in this matter have to be so polarized?

Seeing as the entire subject is entwined in the nebulous notions of tolerance/intolerance surely there can be some common ground?

Surely those who believe fans have a right to boo can see that it's not exactly the most desirable way of manifesting your support for the club albeit frustration can sometimes get the better of anyone during the extreme passions of a game and result in behaviour [such as booing].

Ergo just fuckin admit it's not the best thing to fuckin do when you're supposed to be there to support the team. 

Conversely surely those who condemn booing outright can see that not everybody is wired up the same and there are those whose passions might just spill over into protest as they did when Liverpool's two brightest players on the day were taken off.

Ergo just fuckin admit it might not be exactly the best thing to fuckin do when you're supposed to be there to support the team but that we are all only human and all wired differently and at times frustration can get the better of anyone. 

Or am I just being naive?

 

Its not hard to see how the problems within (team) get dispersed to the problem between (supporters).  Its called leakage.  The problem in one domain leaks into others as means to maintain homeostasis.  Its funny as sometimes this leakage can be mistaken for legitimate criticism as your apt post of a week ago helps us address.  It does seem that we tend towards the poles here, but then again so has LFC's performances.

Human nature is to start a hierarchy of representation to make understanding of such huge swings and expectations.  But, you make some good points here Timbo. 

My gripe (and I expect Chopper's too) is that very few people are qualified to make the decisions BR is getting paid to do (and if he wants to sub off Emre Can, then by god he should be able to do that at home without the negative energy).  This type of energy can embolden our opponent and deflate belief within the team....

Its the difference between an individualistic lens of supporting (I paid my money and I am entitled to boo versus a collective one where self-control and belief in the process override our most base impulses).  Three losses in a week brings enough negative energy and I am not sure how booing makes any of us better (other than showing displeasure for a few seconds and looking like a git who gets angry at the drop of a hat).... 

Yesterday was pretty obvious.  Clearly, Chelsea are better and it is pretty obvious we have thought we are better than we really are.  We have been here before (see season 1 under Rodgers) ----> and he turned it around.

Also, it is not lost on me that this occurred during the Chelsea match...  See what they did to Rafa....  Booing is in the plastic DNA... We do not have to become like them to beat them.

 

[FlashingBlade]

On the 'test' of what a 'proper' fan is about how about this as the one and only gauge of which type... come Monday morning and week ahead you chirply brush off defeat with a song in your heart and the ability to say in work  "ah! well its only football, life moves on and hey its Christy Palace soon!!".....or the other one...whereby a dark cloud of gloom and despondency descends , playing over and over in your head the torturous replay of what ifs or maybes....and howling anger and furious impotent barking of this shouldn't be!!!......with the only respite being the faint flicker of light in the far off distant tunnel of life that maybe...maybe....just please maybe....we'll twat Palace in the next game!

[redgriffin73]

This is what I don't get though. Whether you pay 60 quid or 6 quid, it's still football. Sometimes football doesn't go the way you hoped. Ironically, that's actually all part of the 'entertainment'.

It's not like going for a meal, where you've every right to complain if you get a crap meal or crap service.
I've heard a lot of celtic fans complain recently that going to the game is too boring now because they just win every week. It's the ups and downs of football that make it entertaining.

We lost 2-1 yesterday against a top side, having scored first. Ok, we lost, but how is that not entertaining?
Football is sport, it's not a service industry.

Good post.

It achieves the goal of letting other people know who the c*nts are.

[Wigan Red]

Look mate - when you're in the ground its about solidarity, its about a oneness, its about we're all in this together - its about setting a fucking tone and leading by example

Thats what we do, that's what fan's( short for fanatical) do.

If people want to boooooo, then fuck off to Drury Lane. But this, THIS IS ANFIELD and as the sign implies, this is something special, this is something different. Today, today we were not special, we were not different, we were not something special - we were as run of the mill as every other shitehawk fanbase that beals me to be likened to, or act like.

Its a fucking disgrace.

This. Every fucking time.

I walked out the ground yesterday disgusted.

[Timbo's Goals]

On the 'test' of what a 'proper' fan is about how about this as the one and only gauge of which type... come Monday morning and week ahead you chirply brush off defeat with a song in your heart and the ability to say in work  "ah! well its only football, life moves on and hey its Christy Palace soon!!".....or the other one...whereby a dark cloud of gloom and despondency descends , playing over and over in your head the torturous replay of what ifs or maybes....and howling anger and furious impotent barking of this shouldn't be!!!......with the only respite being the faint flicker of light in the far off distant tunnel of life that maybe...maybe....just please maybe....we'll twat Palace in the next game!

Two feckin weeks of this till the next fuckin nightmare ....aaagh

 

[BrandoLFC]

Funny, the supposed "true" scouse supporters expect the club to challenge for titles both at home and in Europe.  Nowadays that means growing the fan base as far and wide as possible to milk every person possible out of at least a couple of bucks to spend what needs to be spent to meet expectations both commercially and from supporters or getting a Russian gangster/Arab sovereign fund to buy the team.  In reading this thread you almost would think that if the team were to drop into League 1 and nobody outside of Liverpool gave a shit about the club then it would be all for the better as then the tickets would be cheap enough for true Scousers to all go to the game and retain Anfield for the Church of the game it is. 

You can't have it both ways and as the club grows and more people become a part of it then it's just going to become worse and worse from the view of someone that supports LFC for true Scousers only.  I'd be more concerned about what is being given up and what the supposed rewards are to be for that which are currently being unmet than fighting a tidal wave of reality.  But if that's truly what you want to do then have fun, the forest will become sparser and sparser as time goes on.

[Euskadi]

Everything that made English football special is slowly but surely disintegrating, the former brand which embodied passion, commitment, support a togetherness between fans and players seems to be no longer. We as a club were the pinnacle of all of the above, but it is fading. That is what happens when you no longer view yourself as a fan but as a consumer, you send it back if its not up to your "standard" like a bad scran in town. I mentioned this above, but sitting at the annie road end for the Southampton game is where it all sunk in for me. I personally feel that eventually people who have been disillusioned with modern football will form their own lower league clubs and build them from the bottom, it is already happening and in fairness to the mancs they are doing a half decent job with FC United. I know I sound cynical but I would rather voice this on a forum with fellow reds because I am sure that plenty on here feel the same way.

[rewood]

I've not been on this forum or any other for a couple of years, the reason being the number of "superfans" who are still living in the past.
Let's get something straight here, Anfield and Liverpool fc are NOT what they were 30 years ago.

Liverpool fc do not sign players who care about the club or the fans. The majority of players are mercenaries who are only here to pick up their fat wage packet.
Likewise the club do NOT care about the fans. All we are is a bunch of  mugs who spend our hard earned cash on some sport we regard as a religion that gives us a sense of belonging because we have little else to keep us interested in life.

The reason anfield is full of whoppers is because lfc wants their money. They come on package tours from all over the world, stay in the Hilton, meet former players and go in the club shop to buy a half and half scarf.

As a supporter who was brought up in the tradition of always backing the team I can see where the superfans are coming from. Booing is wrong.....but today I booed the substitutions.

 I am sick of hearing how our support is the best in the world....it isn't and never has been. That is a myth put out by the club to make us feel loved by the people taking us for mugs.

I watch this team this season and it has been destroyed. All of brendan's good work has been undone in one summer.

We were so close last season.Even though I never once thought we'd do it ....it still had me buzzing my tits off when we were beating Norwich, man city etc in that final run in.

this season we have been nothing short of shite. the defence,midfield and attack...every one of them well below par.

we have the laziest bastard of a forward I have ever seen in a red shirt. I do not buy into this " he is trying" bollox. I watched him today and he did fuck all! The next time he sets off a rocket I hope he is strapped tightly to it and it sends him back to Italy.

I am not one to slag the team off in public, it just shows lfc up. But today I flipped and I am sure that's what happened with the other few thousand who booed as well. It's what you call frustration after going so close last season and now looking like a mid table side at best.

I've come across you superfans over the years. happy clappy whoppers who would clap balottelli if all he did was crouch down and have a shit by the corner flag.

I've been there when teams/players/decisions under dalglish, souness, evans, houllier, rafa and hodgson have been booed. sometimes the boss isn't right. you can only take the bullshit so long and if he is fucking it up he needs to know we are not happy.

end of rant and I expect to be told to fuck off to goodison!

Best post of the day mate and saved me typing my feelings. 

I've been going over 33 years and have always stopped to the end, whatever.  But, I finally snapped yesterday.  The sight of Allen and Borini coming on was the final straw.  If we were in the middle of a shit Hodgson like era, I could handle it.  But, when we have what we had last season, and not only fail to build on, but go way backwards, it's sin.  I'm afraid I blame the whole club, but mainly Rodgers.

Bollocks.