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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2040 on: January 17, 2015, 05:15:14 pm »
made up for the disgraceful idiot.... 8)

I'm made up for him that he got the goal but he has really bad tunnel vision, couple times he could have slotted Coutinho/Sterling in for a tap in and he didn't see the runs at all. He just doesn't have that extra bit of vision that a top player has
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2041 on: January 17, 2015, 05:19:45 pm »
I've maintained all along that Fabio could be our Hernandez and I still believe that, it would all depend on how little playing time he's willing to accept. I'm sure he'll probably still leave during the summer but as he showed today, he's a got a lot more about him than he's previously shown this season.

I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean a striker whose willing to sit on the bench all season and has very little ambition?
Because if you're referring to being a player who can come off the bench and cause a defence problems then clinically finish chances that come his way I haven't seen him do anything that could indicate he fits the bill

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2042 on: January 17, 2015, 05:50:30 pm »
I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean a striker whose willing to sit on the bench all season and has very little ambition?
Because if you're referring to being a player who can come off the bench and cause a defence problems then clinically finish chances that come his way I haven't seen him do anything that could indicate he fits the bill

He's a much better finisher than he's shown so far, he's similar to Hernandez in the way he'll harry defences and use his good movement to get himself into goalscoring positions, as he's shown several times after he's arrived as a sub this season. I think he could be a very good last resort type striker, just like Hernandez was for the mancs, especially when the opposition are sitting deep and we're not having to counter attack. But like I say, he'll more than likely leave in the summer.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2043 on: January 17, 2015, 06:07:31 pm »
Sturridge should do well in this system when he comes back in. Fabio despite his endeavour is missing that bit of class.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2044 on: January 17, 2015, 06:28:46 pm »
He's a much better finisher than he's shown so far, he's similar to Hernandez in the way he'll harry defences and use his good movement to get himself into goalscoring positions, as he's shown several times after he's arrived as a sub this season. I think he could be a very good last resort type striker, just like Hernandez was for the mancs, especially when the opposition are sitting deep and we're not having to counter attack. But like I say, he'll more than likely leave in the summer.
Borini despite his goal, lacks game intelligence and awareness to play in our system. These are the things that you learn, I think, at a young age. And Borini is 23.
He's just a stop-gap, and glad he got a goal today. That'll boost his confidence.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2045 on: January 17, 2015, 06:31:59 pm »
Borini despite his goal, lacks game intelligence and awareness to play in our system. These are the things that you learn, I think, at a young age. And Borini is 23.
He's just a stop-gap, and glad he got a goal today. That'll boost his confidence.
He also just lacks one-on-one ability. He doesn't know how to get past defenders or to feint in order to get a clear shot: something that Lambert was able to do for his goal today.

So we'll probably see Borini going at some point.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2046 on: January 17, 2015, 06:35:55 pm »
delighted for our 2 scorers today.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2047 on: January 17, 2015, 06:40:08 pm »
I've maintained all along that Fabio could be our Hernandez and I still believe that, it would all depend on how little playing time he's willing to accept. I'm sure he'll probably still leave during the summer but as he showed today, he's a got a lot more about him than he's previously shown this season.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2048 on: January 17, 2015, 06:41:24 pm »
The more attackers that step up the better meaning we can ease Daniel to ensure he doesn't break down again.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2049 on: January 17, 2015, 06:44:25 pm »
Great to see both get on the score sheet today as they were well taken goals. Borini with a bit of Aldo type finishing there and Lambert was a cracking strike. Honnestly its a relief to see us doing this so we don't have to rush Sturridge back too much.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2050 on: January 17, 2015, 06:45:12 pm »
Sturridge in the place of Borini will really make up a threat upfront.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2051 on: January 17, 2015, 06:45:14 pm »
  :) You must be on drugs, he's absolutely dire.

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He's really not but I guess when it comes down to it, due to his wages, resale value etc, he's not the type of player we can afford to have sitting in the stands and not playing too much when everyone is fit and reinforcements have been brought in.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2052 on: January 17, 2015, 07:11:58 pm »
Fabio took his goal well but as others have said he's lacking important attributes he needs to play in our team.

Sturridge's return will be fucking huge for us.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2053 on: January 17, 2015, 07:19:07 pm »
It's weird, I feel like as soon as he got the goal, he played worse. He seems to want to play, to use a basketball term, "hero ball" sometimes. He just needs to calm down. He doesn't have much quality but I'll give him credit for work rate, movement and decent anticipation.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2054 on: January 17, 2015, 07:22:35 pm »
If Sturridge had scored in the manner today that Borini did, people would be creaming themselves about his skill. Borini will never be our 1st or even 2nd choice striker but give him his due. That was exceptional awareness and reaction from both him and Henderson. Top quality goal.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2055 on: January 17, 2015, 07:25:05 pm »
If Sturridge had scored in the manner today that Borini did, people would be creaming themselves about his skill. Borini will never be our 1st or even 2nd choice striker but give him his due. That was exceptional awareness and reaction from both him and Henderson. Top quality goal.
It was great movement and an excellent finish.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2056 on: January 17, 2015, 07:27:05 pm »
If Sturridge had scored in the manner today that Borini did, people would be creaming themselves about his skill. Borini will never be our 1st or even 2nd choice striker but give him his due. That was exceptional awareness and reaction from both him and Henderson. Top quality goal.

Atm I see him as our second choice out and out striker. That's why he's started two games in a row. Glad to see rodgers's faith in him paying off.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2057 on: January 17, 2015, 07:42:13 pm »
Borini's only way of staying here is to score some of these chances and develop an irrepressible workrate. It's the Italian Kuyt or nothing for me, today was a decent staff.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2058 on: January 17, 2015, 07:45:54 pm »
Was Balo injured?
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Re: The Attack
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2060 on: January 17, 2015, 07:47:51 pm »
We win because we have more efficient strikers than the opponents. Hasn't happened in a long while.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2061 on: January 17, 2015, 08:09:13 pm »
If Sturridge had scored in the manner today that Borini did, people would be creaming themselves about his skill. Borini will never be our 1st or even 2nd choice striker but give him his due. That was exceptional awareness and reaction from both him and Henderson. Top quality goal.

It was and yes, it would've been the case that Sturridge would've received accolades had he scored as Borini scored today.

By the same token, had Sturridge wasted as many great opportunities as Borini did today, I am sure he'd have rightly been characterized as "at times, wasteful".

Scoring one excellent goal does not, by itself, wipe away everything else.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2062 on: January 17, 2015, 08:19:25 pm »
Well done, Rickie and Fabio...
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2063 on: January 17, 2015, 08:48:22 pm »
It was and yes, it would've been the case that Sturridge would've received accolades had he scored as Borini scored today.

By the same token, had Sturridge wasted as many great opportunities as Borini did today, I am sure he'd have rightly been characterized as "at times, wasteful".

Scoring one excellent goal does not, by itself, wipe away everything else.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2064 on: January 17, 2015, 08:56:45 pm »
Liked the look of Ibe when he came on. Was constantly making runs and asking for the ball. And that run at the end wasn't half bad either. Coutinho would've had an easy tap in had Ibe weighted his cut-back better. If this is what he can provide us between now and the end of the season as a regular substitute, then count me in. Fuck Derby County, when the lad might end up making telling contributions for us in the race for top 4.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2065 on: January 17, 2015, 09:43:52 pm »
Did I hear the commentator right when he said we've scored the 3rd most away from home? Seemed a surprising stat.

Ibe can be a big player for us without even starting. The lad is a bloody perfect impact player.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2066 on: January 17, 2015, 11:08:30 pm »
It was and yes, it would've been the case that Sturridge would've received accolades had he scored as Borini scored today.

By the same token, had Sturridge wasted as many great opportunities as Borini did today, I am sure he'd have rightly been characterized as "at times, wasteful".

Scoring one excellent goal does not, by itself, wipe away everything else.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2067 on: January 18, 2015, 01:05:04 am »
Delighted for Borini and Lambert.

Borini just seem's like a headless chicken to me, can't fault him for effort though. When Origi comes in he's likely to leave IMO. Truth be told we need another striker as well as Origi can't be expected to carry us next season when Sturridge is out which means one of Lambert or Balo could be off also.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2068 on: January 18, 2015, 03:29:53 am »
For all his faults, Borini is the only one making the types of runs you'd want from a striker in this system. So there's always more chances provided the right ball is played into him. He may waste them, but at least he's getting in the correct positions.


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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2069 on: January 18, 2015, 03:49:25 am »
For all his faults, Borini is the only one making the types of runs you'd want from a striker in this system. So there's always more chances provided the right ball is played into him. He may waste them, but at least he's getting in the correct positions.

Sterling makes the same runs..

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2070 on: January 18, 2015, 03:51:28 am »
Sterling makes the same runs..

He does, but he's largely wasted there. He's more effective coming from deep, which is why I guess Rodgers is giving Borini a go now when everyone thought he was dead and buried.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2071 on: January 18, 2015, 04:14:05 am »
He does, but he's largely wasted there. He's more effective coming from deep, which is why I guess Rodgers is giving Borini a go now when everyone thought he was dead and buried.

Might also have something to do with Lallana's injury. I do think once Lallana is fully fit, he's simply got to play and the person I can see making way for him is Borini. Lallana already has double the amount of goals Borini has scored for us in just half an injury hit season.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2072 on: January 18, 2015, 04:18:53 am »
Might also have something to do with Lallana's injury. I do think once Lallana is fully fit, he's simply got to play and the person I can see making way for him is Borini. Lallana already has double the amount of goals Borini has scored for us in just half an injury hit season.

Not in anyway saying that Borini is a better player, but despite his injuries, Lallana has started 10 more games than Borini in the league. In the 3 games Borini has started, he's recorded an assist and a goal.

Can't ask for much more than that.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2073 on: January 18, 2015, 04:24:08 am »
Not in anyway saying that Borini is a better player, but despite his injuries, Lallana has started 10 more games than Borini in the league. In the 3 games Borini has started, he's recorded an assist and a goal.

Can't ask for much more than that.

Borini has 9 goals in total in the premier league and a few of those are penalties. I see what you mean in terms of what Borini has provided when he has come in but when Lallana is fit, I think he goes straight out. Simply nowhere near the quality required.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2074 on: January 18, 2015, 08:02:23 am »
Borini has 9 goals in total in the premier league and a few of those are penalties. I see what you mean in terms of what Borini has provided when he has come in but when Lallana is fit, I think he goes straight out. Simply nowhere near the quality required.

What happens when Daniel is back, he will replace Lallana in the first 11?

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2075 on: January 18, 2015, 08:11:11 am »
What happens when Daniel is back, he will replace Lallana in the first 11?

Then you have 2 of Gerrard, Lallana, Sterling, Coutinho on the bench. That's a great thing to have when you want your subs to come on and change the game.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2076 on: January 18, 2015, 08:21:12 am »
What happens when Daniel is back, he will replace Lallana in the first 11?

He'll replace one of Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling. And we've got Gerrard to come back in too. It's a promising scenario to have someone like Lallana or Coutinho coming off the bench and they're both players I really like. Sterling might get a bit more rest too and might get put on the bench against some sides if we want to go with more guile than pace for whatever reason.
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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2077 on: January 18, 2015, 08:39:29 am »
Ibe could be great for us. I love how he gets down the narrow channels and you know one on one he will go by the player and cut it back or cross.



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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2078 on: January 18, 2015, 10:10:49 am »
It was an excellent goal by Borini, but christ he's frustrating to watch. Nowhere near the required quality, his touch constantly lets him down, and I can't remember how many times he messed up our attacks. Sterling's and Coutinho's reactions were telling. With Sturridge up front we'll be a match for any team in the league playing like this.

For what it's worth, I thought both Coutinho and Sterling were wasteful yesterday too. Holding on to the ball far too long and running into trouble.

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Re: The Attack
« Reply #2079 on: January 18, 2015, 11:37:54 am »
I've maintained all along that Fabio could be our Hernandez ...