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Re: General ShitChat thread #2 - back for another round!
« Reply #5600 on: June 17, 2014, 12:42:56 PM »
my fantasy football wants list of rumoured players are Candreva, Rodriguez and even Marcos Rojo.

1 or more of those and im happy, I expect Brendan would be to :D

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« Reply #5601 on: June 17, 2014, 01:12:42 PM »
or it could turn into a Blind Auction
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« Reply #5602 on: June 17, 2014, 01:29:41 PM »
Finally the first tentative links to Rodriguez, he's where I'd be allocating the majority of any budget - Enrique with a brain! If we could get both him and Aurier we'd be stocked in the full back positions for 10 years, both key areas for improvement for me. Even if those 2 and say Lallana were our only recruits it would be a fantastic summer.
Wouldnt that mean giving Can back, though?
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« Reply #5603 on: June 17, 2014, 01:48:37 PM »
Wouldnt that mean giving Can back, though?

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« Reply #5604 on: June 17, 2014, 02:13:59 PM »
You think Matic is better going forward than Henderson?  I can't see that at all!

I'd also argue Henderson is better than all the players above at pressing without the ball which is vital to our team.  I don't think there are many players around better than Henderson for what he gives our team.
Matic's dribbling and technique does seem better than Henderson's. I can't comment on his passing and all round play to be honest.

Of course Henderson is very vital to us and upgrading on him is quite far down any priority list right now, but the fact is, all our rivals have a (significantly?) better player in that position.

We can't sit here and pretend all of our players are going to have just as good a season next year - competition and rotation options do need to be brought in and I'm glad we've secured Can.

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« Reply #5605 on: June 17, 2014, 02:40:16 PM »
Is De Telegraaf a reputable source?

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« Reply #5606 on: June 17, 2014, 02:42:46 PM »
I would rather go Blind...

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« Reply #5607 on: June 17, 2014, 02:42:49 PM »
Is De Telegraaf a reputable source?

Depends on if you can read/ understand Morse Code in Dutch.
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« Reply #5608 on: June 17, 2014, 02:43:35 PM »
Depends on if you can read/ understand Morse Code in Dutch.

Morse code no, Dutch yes.

Anyway reporting Liverpool and Dortmund have contacted Ajax (Marc Overmars) about Blind.

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« Reply #5609 on: June 17, 2014, 03:08:48 PM »
Looks like he most likely will be staying as seem they going stand firm and can't see us raising are bid.

Doesn't seem that way at all if he is telling them he wants to go to Liverpool.  There will be a resolution once he's back from the World Cup but if they've resorted to ignoring the phone calls of their captain then there might not be a reconciliation, it might even push Lallana to put
some real pressure on them to sell him once he's back from international duty.

I still think we'll get him for what it's worth, if he wants the move bad enough then I think it will happen irrespective of Southampton's hopes of keeping him. 

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« Reply #5610 on: June 17, 2014, 03:29:37 PM »
Matic's dribbling and technique does seem better than Henderson's. I can't comment on his passing and all round play to be honest.

Of course Henderson is very vital to us and upgrading on him is quite far down any priority list right now, but the fact is, all our rivals have a (significantly?) better player in that position.

We can't sit here and pretend all of our players are going to have just as good a season next year - competition and rotation options do need to be brought in and I'm glad we've secured Can.

I'm not sure they all do have significantly better player than Henderson. Fabregas, Toure, Ramsey are significantly better no doubt but they are the star players in their midfield. For us it's Gerrard.

I'd have Henderson over Wilshere, Fellaini and Ramirez, probably on par with Paulinho and not far behind Fernandinho.  Henderson as a box to box midfielder compares well IMO with these guys.

It's the attacking midfield position where it's Silva, Mata, Ozil, Fabergas. Coutinho has been a great find and looks like he will be amazing but we don't have the proven would class player in that position that our rivals do. But hen we have two fantastic strikers that make up for that somewhat.
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« Reply #5611 on: June 17, 2014, 03:30:21 PM »
£30m for Rodriguez? Where do you lot get these valuations? He'll go for little more than half that.
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« Reply #5612 on: June 17, 2014, 03:33:28 PM »
£30m for Rodriguez? Where do you lot get these valuations? He'll go for little more than half that.

Wolfsburg are minted, they know he's hot stuff, they'll only sell for 20+
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

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« Reply #5613 on: June 17, 2014, 03:39:27 PM »
Wolfsburg are minted, they know he's hot stuff, they'll only sell for 20+

He's worth it though. He's a young baines with more pace
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« Reply #5614 on: June 17, 2014, 03:45:21 PM »
Wolfsburg are minted, they know he's hot stuff, they'll only sell for 20+

Are they? They're owned by VW aren't they and don't seem to have a history of shelling out massive amounts as if they are minted.

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« Reply #5615 on: June 17, 2014, 03:50:10 PM »
He's worth it though. He's a young baines with more pace

not saying he's not, but I just think it's never going to happen.
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« Reply #5616 on: June 17, 2014, 04:16:12 PM »
He's worth it though. He's a young baines with more pace
What, he is a mediocre defender?
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« Reply #5617 on: June 17, 2014, 04:24:50 PM »
What, he is a mediocre defender?

If you don't think Baines has been one of the best full backs in the league the last few years, then you sir need glasses
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« Reply #5618 on: June 17, 2014, 04:29:38 PM »
I'd like Blind as an alternative to Moreno if the Dutch reports are true but don't know anything about Rojo so couldn't really comment on which of the two would be a better fit for us.  Rodriguez just seems a fantasy signing at the moment but I haven't seen him enough to know if he's as good as people on here say he is.  If the Moreno deal is off then presumably there are going to be a few names linked with us in the coming days until our preferred target becomes clear but I'd be happy if there is something in the reports from Holland.

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« Reply #5619 on: June 17, 2014, 04:29:49 PM »
Fullbacks kind of have my brain in a pretzel. One half of me thinks it's an undervalued position because of a scarcity of fullbacks that give you scoring contributions, as well as decent enough defending. Very few LBs are available as an example and there seems to be a major cliff between pricing tiers. Rodriguez>----------Moreno, Blind>---------------Bertrand, Rojo. Attacking midfielders seem to be available in the dozens in the tier we are shopping in. But there are more of those positions available on the pitch and all title winning sides have a few really good ones at least.

The other half sees some of these terrible FBs that have started in Champions League finals and wonders how much they contribute to winning. Would love to map out some of the stuff that the GoalImpact guy does, but I don't 100% trust how quickly his formula adjusts to a young guy breaking out.(eg he has Sterling with a high peak, but not rated highly yet in the present)

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« Reply #5620 on: June 17, 2014, 04:30:26 PM »
If you don't think Baines has been one of the best full backs in the league the last few years, then you sir need glasses
Never rated him as a defender.
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« Reply #5621 on: June 17, 2014, 05:03:54 PM »
Wolfsburg have to have a fair bit of cash, they've spent big on De Bruyne and Gustavo in the last few windows.

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« Reply #5622 on: June 17, 2014, 05:12:52 PM »
Never rated him as a defender.
Right, off to Specsavers for me. Hope they have those red tinted ones I keep hearing about.

i also think Baines blows hot and cold, he is ok if gets some protection to help his defensive work and reasonably going forward although his crossing is suspect , his free kicks are good, but if he is one of the best in the prem then that only shows a lack of quality for that position in the prem,

Anyway see you at specsavers Lenin mate save us a pair of them glasses.
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« Reply #5623 on: June 17, 2014, 05:22:55 PM »
Wolfsburg were hoping to get Rodriguez to sign a new contract does anybody know if that happened ?
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« Reply #5624 on: June 17, 2014, 05:27:27 PM »
£30m for Rodriguez? Where do you lot get these valuations? He'll go for little more than half that.

Probably the best young full back in the world, would have lots of clubs wanting him and Wolfsburg don't want to sell
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« Reply #5625 on: June 17, 2014, 05:48:06 PM »
i also think Baines blows hot and cold, he is ok if gets some protection to help his defensive work and reasonably going forward although his crossing is suspect , his free kicks are good, but if he is one of the best in the prem then that only shows a lack of quality for that position in the prem,

Anyway see you at specsavers Lenin mate save us a pair of them glasses.

Agree with thoughts on Baines, I think the lack of decent English LB's pushed him to the forefront.
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« Reply #5626 on: June 17, 2014, 05:51:34 PM »
Slow eh?

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« Reply #5627 on: June 17, 2014, 05:55:40 PM »
Think the Baines abuse is a bit knee jerk, been arguably the best LB in the league for the last 3 years or so. At one point he was creating more key passes and assists than any other full back in Europe IIRC
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« Reply #5628 on: June 17, 2014, 06:00:04 PM »
Think the Baines abuse is a bit knee jerk, been arguably the best LB in the league for the last 3 years or so. At one point he was creating more key passes and assists than any other full back in Europe IIRC
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« Reply #5629 on: June 17, 2014, 06:02:36 PM »
Abuse? Lol.

Ok, negativity, whatever.
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« Reply #5630 on: June 17, 2014, 06:03:08 PM »
I'm not sure they all do have significantly better player than Henderson. Fabregas, Toure, Ramsey are significantly better no doubt but they are the star players in their midfield. For us it's Gerrard.

I'd have Henderson over Wilshere, Fellaini and Ramirez, probably on par with Paulinho and not far behind Fernandinho.  Henderson as a box to box midfielder compares well IMO with these guys.

It's the attacking midfield position where it's Silva, Mata, Ozil, Fabergas. Coutinho has been a great find and looks like he will be amazing but we don't have the proven would class player in that position that our rivals do. But hen we have two fantastic strikers that make up for that somewhat.

You compare players by their roles, not by whether they're the star players or not. It's not like he needs to be upgraded, he's doing great as it is and he's a player that at his peak could be one of the best in the business - right now he's just below the top tier of the league and he's nowhere near his prime years.

Yeah, Coutinho is the player that most needs competition or rotation, and we've got that player coming in, in the form of Lallana. It must be noted that Coutinho has rarely played in his ideal position here (AM). We've usually had him coming off the left and latterly on the left of the diamond. But perhaps that's because often you need to be building a team around your number 10, and either Cout isn't yet good enough, or not worth moving other players out of their ideal position.


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« Reply #5631 on: June 17, 2014, 06:04:35 PM »
i also think Baines blows hot and cold, he is ok if gets some protection to help his defensive work and reasonably going forward although his crossing is suspect , his free kicks are good, but if he is one of the best in the prem then that only shows a lack of quality for that position in the prem,

Anyway see you at specsavers Lenin mate save us a pair of them glasses.

Baines's crossing is one of the best in the league for a fullback. Yep Specsavers is a good choice lads. Pretty sure I saw an advert too, buy one get one free so you both can share the cost.  ;). *waits for a daley blind joke*


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« Reply #5632 on: June 17, 2014, 06:09:39 PM »
Baines's crossing is one of the best in the league for a fullback. Yep Specsavers is a good choice lads. Pretty sure I saw an advert too, buy one get one free so you both can share the cost.  ;)
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« Reply #5633 on: June 17, 2014, 06:15:40 PM »
Im getting a pair of free nashy ealth ones if possible.

i am getting some that are not blue tinged as well .
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« Reply #5634 on: June 17, 2014, 06:33:58 PM »
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« Reply #5635 on: June 17, 2014, 07:10:54 PM »
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Looks like he most likely will be staying as seem they going stand firm and can't see us raising are bid.

Doesn't matter what Reed says!

If Lallana wants to move then he will.

Reeds comments are to try and show the world and new manager that they're not a selling club but really they're.

While Lallana is at the World Cup and now reached that level he will be around the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City players-players that are playing for clubs that fight for top 4 spot at least. Lallana will want a bit of that.

I'm confident we will get Lallana

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« Reply #5636 on: June 17, 2014, 07:15:56 PM »
Can see him wanting that Lallana money to bring his own players in. I doubt he's seen that much of Lallana really.

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« Reply #5637 on: June 17, 2014, 07:18:18 PM »
He can probably buy half of Feyenoord with 25m

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« Reply #5638 on: June 17, 2014, 07:23:20 PM »
You compare players by their roles, not by whether they're the star players or not. It's not like he needs to be upgraded, he's doing great as it is and he's a player that at his peak could be one of the best in the business - right now he's just below the top tier of the league and he's nowhere near his prime years.

Yeah, Coutinho is the player that most needs competition or rotation, and we've got that player coming in, in the form of Lallana. It must be noted that Coutinho has rarely played in his ideal position here (AM). We've usually had him coming off the left and latterly on the left of the diamond. But perhaps that's because often you need to be building a team around your number 10, and either Cout isn't yet good enough, or not worth moving other players out of their ideal position.

I still cant see why we think Lallana is better then Coutinho, as good maybe, different yes...but not better.  to be honest I'm not too fussed if we dont get Lallana...there I said it! We scored 100 goals last season with our current players!
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Re: General ShitChat thread #2 - back for another round!
« Reply #5639 on: June 17, 2014, 07:27:00 PM »
I still cant see why we think Lallana is better then Coutinho, as good maybe, different yes...but not better.  to be honest I'm not too fussed if we dont get Lallana...there I said it! We scored 100 goals last season with our current players!
I rather we focused on a good LB and try to add a real game changer to the sqaud (like Sanchez)

This is pretty much exactly my stance on this.
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