Topic: Louis Van Gaal was the Manager of Mourinho United

[XabiAlonsosBeard]

It'll be interesting to see how Giggs reacts to being overlooked again for a job he was meant to be being groomed for. Maybe they'll try to appease him by naming a stand after him like they did with Bobby Charlton? The Ryan Giggs Family Enclosure?

[Crosby Nick]

Fair point, but I think England is the most likely destination for him, it's not going to be City under Pep so United or at a stretch, Arsenal or Spurs are his main options here.

Would Chelsea be an option?

[cornelius]

Imagine thinking Mourinho is the answer in 2016 with the squad they have
It's the wrong move for them done out of desperation
I'm amazed they've let him and Mendes get their hands on their club

They'll spend an obscene amount of money this summer

I'm surprised he has the balls to take it on to be honest, even with his fucking arrogance. Desperation is right, on both sides.

If he gets them to win he'll be ok for a while but one thing he definitely won't be doing is playing the kind of football they crave. And as for his behaviour, the guy just can't control himself so that's sure to boil over plenty, not that they have a problem with that, I mean look how often Ferguson crossed the line.

They've seen Pep go to City, Klopp to us and Conte to Chelsea and have hit the panic button. Fingers crossed it goes horribly wrong.

[L666KOP]

It'll be interesting to see how Giggs reacts to being overlooked again for a job he was meant to be being groomed for. Maybe they'll try to appease him by naming a stand after him like they did with Bobby Charlton? The Ryan Giggs Family Enclosure?

That's like naming a Saga complex after Harold Shipman.

[Skidder.]

Shambles.

[Hazell]

It was obvious Mourinho was going to join them the second they named a stand after Bobby Charlton. It will be interesting to see how long the honeymoon is going to last given he doesn't play the type of attacking football, nor develop homegrown youth players that supposedly is the Manchester United way.

Yeah, this move has been on the cards for a while now. Once Ferguson got sacked, they were always going to turn to Mourinho at some point despite Bobby Charlton's protestations (bizarre as they were given Ferguson was in charge at the club) because they're never going to be as dominant as they were under Ferguson and after three years they've become desperate and ditched their non existent 'United Way' and hired  the most successful manager they could. If this were most other clubs, I'd be interested to see how it goes as I'm not sure Mourinho is at the level has has been in the past, or rather, others have caught up with and overtaken him. He'll improve their results but like you say, they've ditched whatever ideals they had about their attacking football and wonderful production line and in three years, he'll leave them as they are now (although possibly in the Champions League) and heaven knows what what kind of internal mess.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

In fairness to Ferguson mourinho is on a totally different level of cuntishness to him

[4pool]

I'd suggest a new thread title when Jose gets the job:

Shitcoat and Mendes United.

Because that is what Man Utd just sold their soul to. Will make Shitcoat their manager and Mendes their director of football.

[4pool]

[elsewhere]

So they are acknowledging Van Gaal helped the youth but they were sick of the "boring football" yet celebrating like maniacs when they get Mourinho, someone whose trademark is boring football and has a proven bad record with young players?

[Ibracat]

I think we will need to sign a CB, CM, Right winger, attacking midfielder and striker. Some players we have been linked to are

ST - Ibrahimovic
RW - Leroy Sane and Joao Mario
Am - James Rodriguez
CM
CB

-------------------Ibrahimovic-----------------
Martial--------Rodriguez-------------Sane
--------------New-------Schneiderlin------
Shaw-----New-----Smalling-----Valencia
---------------------De Gea

A team like this under Mourinho should do well.

[Gerry Attrick]

Good luck to Martial and Sane playing under Mourinho. He'll have them defending all game. Young players' careers go to die under Mourinho.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

So they are acknowledging Van Gaal helped the youth but they were sick of the "boring football" yet celebrating like maniacs when they get Mourinho, someone whose trademark is boring football and has a proven bad record with young players?

this whole "van gaal helped the youth" has gone overboard imo

They had injuries and a thin squad in some areas (up front for instance). So he was forced to play youth in a lot of cases.

[rushyman]

they just want trophy after trophy and want it to go on forever. Fuck the football, the boring thing doesnt resonate anymore

[Ibracat]

Good luck to Martial and Sane playing under Mourinho. He'll have them defending all game. Young players' careers go to die under Mourinho.

Robben did fine at Chelsea when Mourinho was there. Varane, Zouma, Di Maria, Ozil...all these players were young when they signed. Even Balotelli played many games for Mourinho at Inter and he gave Santon games too.

Martial is already our best outfield player he will be fine

[4pool]

I think we all know this is a sign of desperation by the Mancs.

Moyes was to reguild the team for the future. Panic midway through his first season by supporters who  think Utd have a divine right to every trophy.

van Gaal comes in to push the rebuilding, plays some youth, but again panic stations by Utd supporters because Klopp went to Liverpool and Pep is going to City.

van Gaal wants possession and craves his side to keep the ball. May not be the prettiest style but it was effective in the main. But "boring" football because that was the  mantra as the press hounded that into United supporters all season long.  A system where Rashford and Martial could use their movement in the final third for them to score.

Jose Shitcoat doesn't want possession in his sides, he wants total defending and counter attacks. "Boring" football in a different style.

So once again, if true about Shitcoat, Man Utd players will be asked to change systems. Rashford and Martial will have to counter what they've learned and adapt to just chasing hoof balls as a lone striker. Just like Drogba and Costa. Neither Martial or Rashford have the brute strength of those two or the "dirtiness" that they both had.

It's going to be fun watching Mendes United implode. But he will move his traveling circus once again.

[Samie]

Bed wetters are back with a vengeance.

[Crosby Nick]

Who of the current squad will he like and who will he packing their bags.

Mata will obviously be off for the crime of not being a c*nt.

Schneiderlein will probably play more.

Can't see him standing for plodders like Blind and Rojo at the back so he will probably buy a couple there.

[Gerry Attrick]

Robben did fine at Chelsea when Mourinho was there. Varane, Zouma, Di Maria, Ozil...all these players were young when they signed. Even Balotelli played many games for Mourinho at Inter and he gave Santon games too.

Martial is already our best outfield player he will be fine

Bizarre that you'd use Zouma as somebody Mourinho developed. Playing the occasional young player does not make him a good developer of youth. There are many examples of him wasting young players and driving them to distraction. He barely used Coutinho at Inter, Hazard was alienated because he insisted on him working his bollocks off like Dirk Kuyt. His De Bruyne and Lukaku gaffes have cost Chelsea at least £50m and he has left their squad mentally knackered. That's without even mentioning Juan Mata, who was one of the best players in the Premier League before Mourinho returned.

[rushyman]

Bed wetters are back with a vengeance.

Where?

I cant say Ive seen any in here to be honest

[Ibracat]

Bizarre that you'd use Zouma as somebody Mourinho developed. Playing the occasional young player does not make him a good developer of youth. There are many examples of him wasting young players and driving them to distraction. He barely used Coutinho at Inter, Hazard was alienated because he insisted on him working his bollocks off like Dirk Kuyt. His De Bruyne and Lukaku gaffes have cost Chelsea at least £50m and he has left their squad mentally knackered. That's without even mentioning Juan Mata, who was one of the best players in the Premier League before Mourinho returned.

Is it as bizarre as bringing up Coutinho who wasn't even at Inter during the same time as Mourinho.

Coutinho did say Mourinho was the one who signed him for Inter though

[Gerry Attrick]

Is it as bizarre as bringing up Coutinho who wasn't even at Inter during the same time as Mourinho.

Coutinho did say Mourinho was the one who signed him for Inter though

They were both at Inter together for 2 years. 2008-2010.

[Red_Rich]

Ain't going to wet my pants over them getting him.  This isn't the Mourinho at his peak.  He's been largely found out. He's also fighting in a league where there are at least five other clubs who will be in the mix unlike other times where he's had only one other serious contender to deal with.

The real United fans that I speak with ALL don't want him near their club.  These are serious reds who've followed them through thick and thin.

It's only the spoilt, modern day fan - the internet muppets - who are wanking over this. All they're seeing right now is "We've got a big name manager - a serial winner"  They haven't for one minute considered the implications of having this devisive nob at their club.

He may well win them a couple of things and get them back in the CL from time to time.  But he's up against some real contenders.  And we know how he gets when things don't go exactly his way.

It will be fun to watch.

It also means that they get the one massive thing back that they've lacked since ferguson left - the hate factor.  That dimmed somewhat with their past two managers and I'm not talking about "you hate what you fear" ... I'm referring to the fact that club AND manager are now both c*nts of the highest order.  They couldn't have chosen a more apt guy to lead them. Rotten.  Not that they'll give a fuck (the modern fan that is) in fact they'll probably revel in the bile produced.

And finally, I can't wait for the first time that he throws his weight around in the face of Klopp.  We're not talking about the meek Hodgson or Rodgers, or the dignified Rafa.  Jurgen will simply rip this guy's fucking head off.

[Ibracat]

They were both at Inter together for 2 years. 2008-2010.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2917239/Philippe-Coutinho-Jose-Mourinho-signed-Inter-never-got-chance-work-him.html

From Wikipedia

Coutinho's move to Internazionale became effective on July 2010, after he turned 18, with new head coach Rafael Benítez and chairman Massimo Morattibeing quoted saying that "Coutinho is the future of Inter".[9]

[Gerry Attrick]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2917239/Philippe-Coutinho-Jose-Mourinho-signed-Inter-never-got-chance-work-him.html

From Wikipedia

Coutinho's move to Internazionale became effective on July 2010, after he turned 18, with new head coach Rafael Benítez and chairman Massimo Morattibeing quoted saying that "Coutinho is the future of Inter".[9]

I stand corrected on Coutinho then, my point around Mourinho's shitness with youngsters stands though. His record at bringing through young players is absolutely atrocious and I highly doubt you could name a 25 man squad he's brought through in his 15 years of management. He might win a cup but don't expect Martial to flourish under him. Unless he wants to play as a second RB anyway.

[thelinnen]

They've sold their souls down the river in a last ditch attempt to cling on to the notion that they're the dominant force in England. It's sort of the modern day version of our downfall, there's no plan or philosophy to it, Mourinho will be ripping up the squad yet again and will probably leave them in a worse state than he will join them.

The correct thing to do would be to fire that clown Woodward, get a Dof in and an up and coming manager who has a clear plan. They wouldn't do that though because they have no patience for anything and think they're Real Madrid. They've gone for the big name because of what's happening with their two main rivals to compete in a dick waving contest. It will backfire hilariously in the long term, although he probably will win them a trophy of some sort.

The derbies are going to be shit as well, he'll suck the life out of them.

[Nick110581]

He's a c*nt and I would boycott our matches if he took us over.

He gouged another Managers eye. That's everything you need to know about his 'characther'.

[thisyearisouryear]

So Mourinho is pretty much confirmed. Perhaps the manager I hate the most going to the club i definitely hate the most.
This will either bring a lot of joy or a lot of disappointments for me! 

Hope the c*nt crashes and burns at the shitty club!

[Barneylfc∗]

Bed wetters are back with a vengeance.

 

Our games against each other are worth 6 points. We've another 18 teams to pick up more points than them. It might take another season, but I can see us finishing ahead of them regularly for the next 10-15 years if we play our cards right.

They've a better starting point, but Mourinho, as always, will suck them dry. Whereas Klopp will build something special.

Also, both this and last season, we've given up on the league campaign at the end of March. Had we kept going, we could have been looking at finishing ahead of them 2 years in a row.

The only way is up for us. Them, they could go either way.

[Ravi Bahia]

Genuine question- Has Maureen ever managed in the Europa League? Obviously he's won the European cup twice but as we've found out the Europa is a different kettle of fish when it comes to travelling etc... Being in the Europa means it'll be difficult for them to even mount or win the title as most of their fan-base are proclaiming will happen.

[Samie]

Pretty sure Porto won the Uefa Cup.

[Gerry Attrick]

Genuine question- Has Maureen ever managed in the Europa League? Obviously he's won the European cup twice but as we've found out the Europa is a different kettle of fish when it comes to travelling etc... Being in the Europa means it'll be difficult for them to even mount or win the title as most of their fan-base are proclaiming will happen.

“The Europa League is a different competition (to the Champions League), the Europa League is a different level of competition for a different level of player and a different level of club. It is not good for a big club to go there and win it.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12039803/Jose-Mourinho-The-Europa-League-is-not-Chelseas-level-I-still-have-sights-set-on-winning-Champions-League.html

Wonder if he'll change his tune?

[Ibracat]

I stand corrected on Coutinho then, my point around Mourinho's shitness with youngsters stands though. His record at bringing through young players is absolutely atrocious and I highly doubt you could name a 25 man squad he's brought through in his 15 years of management. He might win a cup but don't expect Martial to flourish under him. Unless he wants to play as a second RB anyway.

Do you not think you are overreacting? Martial will be fine. He's our only high quality attacking player and he will be a big asset for Mourinho going forward.

Earlier you said Zouma was a bizzare player to bring up and I cant see why. He was a teenager when Mourinho bought him I think?

Robben
Balotelli
Santon
Ozil
Varane
Zouma

These are the players around Martial's age which come to mind as players who were given opportunities to play under Mourinho. I would say Robben, Ozil, Varane and Zouma all flourished under Mourinho.

Also the point about Hazard he won player of the year and was still shit months after  Mourinho left so I'm not sure you can just say it was all Mourinhos fault. The guy only had 2 good games near the end of the season.

[Ibracat]

Genuine question- Has Maureen ever managed in the Europa League? Obviously he's won the European cup twice but as we've found out the Europa is a different kettle of fish when it comes to travelling etc... Being in the Europa means it'll be difficult for them to even mount or win the title as most of their fan-base are proclaiming will happen.

Yeah he won the Uefa Cup for Porto in 2003.

[TravisBickle]

Only the stupid or wilfully ignorant would deny that Mourinho is a world class manager but I highly doubt this is the right appointment for them. He's never been a legacy builder and it's worth remembering that at the end of his first season at Chelsea he said he was planning on staying for twelve years. It was only 16 months or so before he lost the plot with his egomaniacal rants and scapegoating.

 I genuinely would have stuck with Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal. Fourth in his first season and fifth with the Cup in his second is a decent haul given the situation he inherited from Moyes, especially given Ferguson's aura still looks so large over the club. It has always taken Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal time to fully implement his ideas and I think it would have worked had they stuck it out. Plus he's far closer to the traditional 'spirit' of the club with his ability to trust and nurture young players, something Mourinho will never ever do.

 We get to go back to hating them properly again now, though. Can't wait for the smarmy, arrogant shit coat twat to try it with Jürgen.

[ericthered10]

So Mourinho is pretty much confirmed. Perhaps the manager I hate the most going to the club i definitely hate the most.
This will either bring a lot of joy or a lot of disappointments for me! 

Hope the c*nt crashes and burns at the shitty club!

I'm glad, it's kind of comforting and simplifying to have all your hatred eggs in the same basket. Not hating Van Gaal led me to be very complacent about Man U, I just didn't care what they did and didn't bother to watch due to being so boring. Not that they'll be any more entertaining play-wise now, but they sure will be in every other aspect.

[Gerry Attrick]

Do you not think you are overreacting? Martial will be fine. He's our only high quality attacking player and he will be a big asset for Mourinho going forward.

Earlier you said Zouma was a bizzare player to bring up and I cant see why. He was a teenager when Mourinho bought him I think?

Robben
Balotelli
Santon
Ozil
Varane
Zouma

These are the players around Martial's age which come to mind as players who were given opportunities to play under Mourinho. I would say Robben, Ozil, Varane and Zouma all flourished under Mourinho.

Also the point about Hazard he won player of the year and was still shit months after  Mourinho left so I'm not sure you can just say it was all Mourinhos fault. The guy only had 2 good games near the end of the season.

I think you bringing up 6 players in about a decade is putting your fingers in your ears and shouting 'la, la, la". Hazard was a top player before Mourinho joined and has become less of a top player since he got Mourinhoed. Mourinho is good/great (depending on your point of view) for 2 seasons but then starts to grate on players at a rate of knots. The seige mentality schtick starts to wear thin very quickly and he knackers players out mentally and they give up on him. Young players succeed in spite of Mourinho, not because of him. Your young defenders might improve just because of his style of play though.

[Red Bird]

Robben did fine at Chelsea when Mourinho was there. Varane, Zouma, Di Maria, Ozil...all these players were young when they signed. Even Balotelli played many games for Mourinho at Inter and he gave Santon games too.

Martial is already our best outfield player he will be fine

Although the lack of "not giving youth a chance" argument in being overplayed, I don't think this is quite what people are referring to. It's the de Bruyne and Lukaku of this world-- the club's own young players rather than established superstars such as on your list who were already first team players anyway when he came.

As for me, I'm not fussed whether he goes there or not because he's not particularly better than van Gaal.

[Djimi Smicer34]

Do you not think you are overreacting? Martial will be fine. He's our only high quality attacking player and he will be a big asset for Mourinho going forward.

It's not an overreaction or wrong to say that Mourinho doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to developing players.

Signing young players is one thing, bringing them through the academy is another.  United is a club that prides itself on their history of doing that, of having players they've produced form the backbone of their successful squads and that is at odds with what Mourinho has done at his previous clubs. 

Bothwick-Jackson, Fosu-Mensah, Lingard and Rashford have all made positive impressions and shown their potential under van Gaal; what kind of future will they have under a manager like Mourinho?

I think it's a fair question irrespective of whatever your opinion of Mourinho might be.  It was something that reportedly concerned members of United's hierarchy enough for them to have serious reservations about appointing Mourinho and the way he handles those players and the ones following them through the much-vaunted academy will be scrutinised. 

[lessthanmatt]

Not been a good week for you has it?

It's like a support group in here, desperately reassuring each other that Mourinho will be a disaster.

United fans had similar levels of optimism regarding Moyes and Van Gaal (although I'm sure their shit-tinted glasses will insist differently). I don't remember how many pages the Moyes thread managed here, but this one's been 1000+ pages of bliss. Both threads started with predictions of failure, where we were also "shitting it", "running scared" or "reassuring ourselves" according to United fans.

The Fergies days are gone. United fans' expectations and ambitions no longer correlate with reality. You're just not that good anymore