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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #240 on: November 28, 2019, 04:27:01 PM »

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« Reply #241 on: November 28, 2019, 04:31:29 PM »
'How David Duckenfield's trial left Hillsborough families distraught again':-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left-hillsborough-families-distraught-again - by David Conn

David Conn is such a brilliant journalist, this is horrible but essential reading. The system absolutely fucking stinks.
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« Reply #242 on: November 28, 2019, 04:32:22 PM »
Fuck.
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« Reply #243 on: November 28, 2019, 04:40:56 PM »
Thoughts with the families, YNWA

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #244 on: November 28, 2019, 04:41:30 PM »
Absolutely outrageous and sickening verdict.
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #245 on: November 28, 2019, 04:42:03 PM »
"Justice delayed is justice DENIED!"


Get to fuck, you gang of establishment, old-school-tie, dodgy handshaking masonic c*nts.

The truth that we have been gagged from speaking over the last couple of years WILL COME OUT.

I'll gladly put my name on it and they can fuckin extradite me.  :no

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« Reply #246 on: November 28, 2019, 04:43:58 PM »
'How David Duckenfield's trial left Hillsborough families distraught again':-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left-hillsborough-families-distraught-again - by David Conn


^ includes some of the events of from the re-trial, and... well, it is an important read.

I best not write on a public forum what I think about that judge if that article is in any way true (and I have no reason to doubt David Conn, he's been very good throughout.)

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #247 on: November 28, 2019, 04:46:33 PM »
Gutted - absolutely gutted. 
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #248 on: November 28, 2019, 04:48:11 PM »

'OPINION: David Duckenfield failed the 96. Then he hid behind a cowardly lie':-

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/news-opinion/opinion-david-duckenfield-failed-96-17332774 - by Joe Thomas (Echo Correspondent in Court for the retrial)
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« Reply #249 on: November 28, 2019, 04:50:33 PM »
Sickening.

If I'm honest I expected him to walk free from court, there is no fair justice in this country,never will be.
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« Reply #250 on: November 28, 2019, 04:51:04 PM »
How on earth did this piss of **** get off?  :no :no
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #251 on: November 28, 2019, 04:51:50 PM »
'It's not his fault, poor chap.' says the judge.

I'm lost for words here.


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« Reply #252 on: November 28, 2019, 04:52:15 PM »
'How David Duckenfield's trial left Hillsborough families distraught again':-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left-hillsborough-families-distraught-again - by David Conn


^ includes some of the events of from the re-trial, and... well, it is an important read.

It's absolutely heartbreaking that article. 30 years and fuck all changes.
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #253 on: November 28, 2019, 04:53:28 PM »
This country is fucked. Absolutely fucking heartbroken for the familes, and I'm furious - I am so, so furious.

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« Reply #254 on: November 28, 2019, 04:55:44 PM »
Devastating for the families
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #255 on: November 28, 2019, 04:55:51 PM »
'How David Duckenfield's trial left Hillsborough families distraught again':-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left-hillsborough-families-distraught-again - by David Conn


^ includes some of the events of from the re-trial, and... well, it is an important read.

Just speechless at that article.
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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #256 on: November 28, 2019, 04:57:14 PM »
After the Inquest I was convinced he was going down for this.  I can't believe the Judge calling him a "poor chap"?  Seriously.  What about my PTSD and all the rest of us who have suffered with PTSD?

I don't know what else to say.  This is just so heart breaking.

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #257 on: November 28, 2019, 04:59:16 PM »
Lfc TV has stopped broadcasting due to this news

NO WORDS for this I'm so fucking angry and so fucking sad

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« Reply #258 on: November 28, 2019, 04:59:22 PM »
Just can’t comprehend what I’ve just read in that David Conn report. Shocking yet not in the least bit surprising.

Can’t imagine how the families and friends feel. They have my admiration and sympathy in equal measure YNWA

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #259 on: November 28, 2019, 05:03:00 PM »
Establishment bias. Nothing more nothing less.

I am sorry for all those involved and they have my heartfelt sympathy and respect.

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #260 on: November 28, 2019, 05:03:23 PM »
https://twitter.com/BrianReade/status/1200083496758337537:-



This question deserves an answer, this outcome makes no sense.
After the Inquest I was convinced he was going down for this.  I can't believe the Judge calling him a "poor chap"?  Seriously.  What about my PTSD and all the rest of us who have suffered with PTSD?

I don't know what else to say.  This is just so heart breaking.


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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #261 on: November 28, 2019, 05:04:14 PM »
No justice  :'(

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« Reply #262 on: November 28, 2019, 05:04:44 PM »
After the Inquest I was convinced he was going down for this.  I can't believe the Judge calling him a "poor chap"?  Seriously.  What about my PTSD and all the rest of us who have suffered with PTSD?

I don't know what else to say.  This is just so heart breaking.

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #263 on: November 28, 2019, 05:06:11 PM »
In spite of Duckenfield's confessions which his defense contested were "wrought" out of him as a "singled-out" out individual, it is difficult to see why it has been deemed that his negligence was not criminal in nature. This was what his defense were attempting to parse, and it's one I struggled to understand each day as I have been reading the daily reports. I can only surmise that there may have been elements of the jury who believed that he'd suffered enough and that his age and mental state were already showing signs of deterioration.

If this IS to be the last chapter in the Duckenfield story, then I suppose the only judicial precedent we can take from this is that a senior police officer only avoided a criminal verdict by "a whisker" in the lengthy wake of the events which occurred on that tragic day.

It's probably not the verdict which so many of us felt was just, but it will still carry great impact when it comes to police officers needing to be suitable for their roles and the accountability and scrutiny that they will face in the wake of any gross negligence.

I'm just looking for positives here, and the fact that Duckenfield's life eventually became characterized by four separate bouts of vigorous judicial scrutiny should hopefully permeate the mind-set of every single senior officer hereafter. If Duckenfield walks away from this as a broken "husk" of a man, albeit buoyed and relieved that he's avoided a criminal verdict, then it is for him to reconcile. If he is now "free" to speak out in a way that the legal proceedings have barred him from, then it will be interesting if he has anything enlightening to offer about the other "players" who surrounded him for the many years when justice was being sought. I won't hold my breath on this, but if anybody knows why the powers that be were so intent to stick to their "story" for so long, then this man does.

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« Reply #264 on: November 28, 2019, 05:06:25 PM »
No words really, just shocking.
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« Reply #265 on: November 28, 2019, 05:07:15 PM »

'Duckenfield's lawyers fought to show jury "worst hooliganism ever filmed"':-

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Re: * Inquests 2015/16 - News Only Updates *
« Reply #266 on: November 28, 2019, 05:08:10 PM »
'It's not his fault, poor chap.' says the judge.

I'm lost for words here.


Was that the line from the Judge when Duckenfield was sick? Speaks volumes.

Also feared the worst the longer the jury were deliberating.

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« Reply #267 on: November 28, 2019, 05:11:13 PM »
Utterly, utterly disgusted.
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« Reply #268 on: November 28, 2019, 05:14:41 PM »
Horrific, and entirely unsurprising. Fuck this.
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« Reply #269 on: November 28, 2019, 05:18:15 PM »
Justice system is corrupt as fuck.

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« Reply #270 on: November 28, 2019, 05:18:36 PM »
Was that the line from the Judge when Duckenfield was sick? Speaks volumes.

Also feared the worst the longer the jury were deliberating.

Yep. That David Conn article is an eye-opener. Reads to me like there was every sympathy for the retired scion of his local Bournemouth Golf Club by both Defence and Prosecution. It stinks.

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« Reply #271 on: November 28, 2019, 05:20:46 PM »
Please remember there are still live criminal proceedings ongoing.

The David Conn article in the Guardian succinctly illustrates what the families and survivors were up against, that should be shared as wide as possible.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/hillsborough-david-duckenfield-verdict


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« Reply #272 on: November 28, 2019, 05:22:26 PM »
I'm lost for fucking words. This stinks of an establishment whitewash, the fucking judge called Duckenfield "a poor man." Funny handshakes or what??

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« Reply #273 on: November 28, 2019, 05:23:45 PM »
CPS have got a lot to answer for now.

If the criminal courts are now exhausted I hope that the civil courts remain an option for families with the FA, Sheffield Wednesday and South Yorkshire police all complicit

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« Reply #274 on: November 28, 2019, 05:33:36 PM »
Please remember there are still live criminal proceedings ongoing.

The David Conn article in the Guardian succinctly illustrates what the families and survivors were up against, that should be shared as wide as possible.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/hillsborough-david-duckenfield-verdict



I have not really kept up with this. Just read the David Conn article and it is pretty shocking but at the same time not that surprising.

So what happens now? You mentioned there are still live criminal proceedings?
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« Reply #275 on: November 28, 2019, 05:34:45 PM »
'It's not his fault, poor chap.' says the judge.

I'm lost for words here.



I read that statement from the judge a while ago and just knew what the outcome would be. Masons united.

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« Reply #276 on: November 28, 2019, 05:37:40 PM »
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« Reply #277 on: November 28, 2019, 05:38:46 PM »
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« Reply #278 on: November 28, 2019, 05:50:18 PM »
'How David Duckenfield's trial left Hillsborough families distraught again':-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left-hillsborough-families-distraught-again - by David Conn


^ includes some of the events of from the re-trial, and... well, it is an important read.

Thank you for sharing this.

Utterly appalled and distraught to be honest. Thoughts are with the families today.

The corruption of it is unbelievable. JFT96.

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« Reply #279 on: November 28, 2019, 05:51:17 PM »
Let's not forget in the first trial John Beggs QC, Duckenfield's barrister,  who blamed drunk fans - fans "in drink" as he put it to besmirch and repeat a lot of the lies and pull the wool over the Jurors eyes.

Beggs on his website boasts of the work he has done in defending the Police and he was the git who defended the army top brass when that poor lass committed suicide at Deepcut.


His website boasts that he is "the person police officers turn to when they’re facing matters of serious reputational concern". !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :butt :butt :butt :butt :butt

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