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« Reply #240 on: November 1, 2013, 05:17:49 pm »
and what's more scousers are still the best dressed fans

"Oh yeah, those Liverpool fans, best dressed fans in the league they are."

Fucking hell.

Can't say I go on the kop and want to take fashion advice from anyone. Wouldn't wear a replica top anymore as it's not my thing, but I won't be wearing the same things as others just to fit in. I know lads who do, just not for me.

I'm 20 years old, but what clothes people wear to a football match doesn't really bother me. There aren't even any birds there, who are we actually trying to impress? Wear adidas trainees because they're boss, not for other stupid reasons.

All this casual stuff seems as opposite to 'casual' as it can be. Used to be trendsetting, now it seems a bit forced by some.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #241 on: November 1, 2013, 05:17:59 pm »
Agree with a lot that's been said on here re us oldies not wearing colours.

Scarf = wool.

Scarves tied around wrists = fucking wool.



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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #242 on: November 1, 2013, 05:54:18 pm »
Just a couple of points , that if I had time I would expand further:

Firstly it was never the 'casual' look , that was a label applied by the media and Johnny come lately's...we where Scals, Scallies and firstly 'Scallywags' fuck all to do with casual

It started in the Road End late seventies and quickly a city thing...its was some time before it became national with other teams . Its well documented and any fan should know this , its our culture!!

It was fuck all with looking 'cool' ..ok a bit...but it was driven by wit, intelligence and Liverpool identity , a thing of being smarter than the rest..looking different .....and maybe twatting other fans and robbing things....it would have been a bona fide youth culture if it had had a dedicated  music scene associated with it..........and more girls!

The Kop now is not a recreation of the past...its now culture is its own, the songs sung ,the banners, they may be nods to the past but its the Kops culture now....I think Liverpool fans reinvented themselves in 2001 with the banners and songs...so if more scarfs are desired , fine...but don't ever dismiss the Scouse heart of this club...if Scouser's are belligerent, raucous and self opinionated and believe ourselves to be different to the rest of the UK then that will be reflected in how we support our team....that's how it is, we are not the happy clappy brigade....live with it.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #243 on: November 1, 2013, 06:00:06 pm »
Was going to ask someone about wearing gear and the years, but Flashing Blade has done in beautifully. There is a thread about the fashions down the years in the terraces, and this thread has nicely moved onto who wears what, I'm happy for it to continue along the lines of the OP (wear red please) and we don't wear colours yes we do so long as it doesn't turn into OOT v Local bitching.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #244 on: November 1, 2013, 06:08:21 pm »
The lad posting the sarcastic pictures of the trackies really hasn't got a fucking clue and needs to come back when he's learnt a little bit about the history of this club and City.

Flashingblade has it pretty much spot on in his last post.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #245 on: November 1, 2013, 06:19:03 pm »
The sentiment is great but too much ignorance in this thread, posters should learn more of the history and identity of the club, with this knowledge you can then understand why being casual is an original scouse phenomenon and should be celebrated rather than panned by posters who clearly do not understand it.

There's people saying casual went out of fashion? hahahha
It used to be a uniquely scouse thing, but not any more. It had its heyday in the 80s and with 90s 'lad culture' and times have moved on.

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don't remember flares or the bee gees look coming back into fashion after the casual movement, and there hasn't been any significant mainstream fashion movement since.
Maybe you're too young to remember Madchester or acid house then, or the impact hip hop culture has had on modern trends (like big padded jackets etc.).

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Were all Casuals, unless you don't wear branded clothing, training shoes or any sort of sportswear.
That would be me then, and many others I would think.

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The Casual scene has changed the face of UK fashion scene, never to revert, but because we were the trailblazers, and what's more scousers are still the best dressed fans, we have the right to celebrate that and will continue to do so in a uniquely scouse way.

You can go to any ground in the country (and even beyond the UK) and see lads wearing the same stuff, the same labels and styles etc.
People who wear casual gear now are just copying a style that they think makes them unique, when it does anything but, and it's kinda missing the point if you ask me.
When those styles originated on the Kop in the late 70s it was an organic thing, which grew out of lads forging their own identity which was of a time and place. They weren't copying anyone, people copied them.
They took sportswear and re-contexualized it, gave it a new lease of life. That's what was so original about it. No-one had even thought of wearing sportswear as a means to just look smart before. In a similar way to how mods took the US college/preppy look and made it their own, or how punks took bondage gear and made that their own etc.
Nowadays, sports clothing companies know that people wear sportswear as fashion items, and so they make and market clothes aimed at those people. In the late 70s that wasn't the case. Fila were making tops for people who played tennis, not people who went to the match. That's what made wearing that gear such a unique statement.

How is looking like some lad from north London or Derby or Stoke a uniquely scouse thing any more?
Maybe there are some recent elements of it, some small details that are uniquely scouse.
I wouldn't know, not being scouse myself. But if there are, they're not obvious to me.
Are there any uniquely scouse styles any more? Would love to know if there are, but it seems high street fashion is so dominant and homogenized now, that those types of localized styles that sprang up decades ago are a thing of the past.
It's very hard to tell where anyone is from anymore, simply by what they're wearing.
Similarly, you could be standing on any high street in the UK (or Ireland) and not know where you are, because every high street will have the same shops selling the same stuff.

I do think its right and proper to look smart at the footy though, whatever you're wearing.
It's about taking pride in who you are and why you're there, whether you're scouse or not.
Not buying into some look you saw in a lads mag, or buying expensive trabs on ebay, and thinking it makes you look unique.
Not having a go at you or anyone else mate, just my 2 cents on an interesting subject.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #246 on: November 1, 2013, 06:26:30 pm »
Bit of a history lesson then for some on here , flashing blade summed a lot of it up nicely , the fashion part though wasn't just a lfc thing , undoubtedly everton fans embraced the fashions too . Your blue mates werent dressed any different to us and they travelled and robbed too ( not as much as us though ;-) ) . And as pointed out it was never called casual ever here ,  that came out  down south many years later .

The movement away from the kop was part of that to be different  , so all the local lads between 14 -  26 went into the anfield road ...scarf less but with plenty of there own songs . And evertonions of a similar age went in the park end .

Going to away games was exciting as well as scary ! And the fact we were probably the best team in the world at the time added to this scouse cockiness ... We may have been suffering economically much worse than anyone else in the country , but we didn't show it on away days

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« Reply #247 on: November 1, 2013, 06:33:14 pm »
The threads gone off on a bit of a tangent , but it also offers reasons why u don't see as many scarfs or red .
Would be interesting to know what percentage of home fans are men from that era who in a way it's ingrained
To not go the match in colours . I know the lads I went the matches with in the late 70 s all still go to this day bar one or two . So only about ten per cent have dropped out in thirty years

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #248 on: November 1, 2013, 09:31:09 pm »
Just a couple of points , that if I had time I would expand further:

Firstly it was never the 'casual' look , that was a label applied by the media and Johnny come lately's...we where Scals, Scallies and firstly 'Scallywags' fuck all to do with casual

It started in the Road End late seventies and quickly a city thing...its was some time before it became national with other teams . Its well documented and any fan should know this , its our culture!!

It was fuck all with looking 'cool' ..ok a bit...but it was driven by wit, intelligence and Liverpool identity , a thing of being smarter than the rest..looking different .....and maybe twatting other fans and robbing things....it would have been a bona fide youth culture if it had had a dedicated  music scene associated with it..........and more girls!

The Kop now is not a recreation of the past...its now culture is its own, the songs sung ,the banners, they may be nods to the past but its the Kops culture now....I think Liverpool fans reinvented themselves in 2001 with the banners and songs...so if more scarfs are desired , fine...but don't ever dismiss the Scouse heart of this club...if Scouser's are belligerent, raucous and self opinionated and believe ourselves to be different to the rest of the UK then that will be reflected in how we support our team....that's how it is, we are not the happy clappy brigade....live with it.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #249 on: November 2, 2013, 01:40:50 pm »
"Oh yeah, those Liverpool fans, best dressed fans in the league they are."

Fucking hell.

Can't say I go on the kop and want to take fashion advice from anyone. Wouldn't wear a replica top anymore as it's not my thing, but I won't be wearing the same things as others just to fit in. I know lads who do, just not for me.

I'm 20 years old, but what clothes people wear to a football match doesn't really bother me. There aren't even any birds there, who are we actually trying to impress? Wear adidas trainees because they're boss, not for other stupid reasons.

All this casual stuff seems as opposite to 'casual' as it can be. Used to be trendsetting, now it seems a bit forced by some.



It's easy to dress well mate it's just your taste, no one asking you to dress anyway, I am simply a fan of what I perceive as the casual look  and I know its a look at least with strong roots in Anfield Terrace Culture, personally I do wear a red shirt but I prefer the retro ones, just into my old school clobber, I'm not forcing myself to be interested in anything mate haha.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #250 on: November 2, 2013, 01:58:11 pm »
@Kennedy

Its been said elsewhere that "casual" is not particulary apt to Describe LFC fans late 70's/80's but I will just for ease.

I don't think i'm unique mate, I know plenty with similar interests/tastes to myself. The reason why I described it as uniquely scouse is because personally I think Liverpool has influenced fashion a great deal since late 70's terrace culture. Good point about acid house madchester, but I think that's more an influence on the drug/music scene I don't think you could say fashion diverted much from the late 70's early 80's till now, obviously times change but i you look at mod-->hippie-->punk 60's 70's there's a lot of drastic changes in fashion/ideas etc.  I think the casual movement i different to any of those, there's no change in music/drugs fe, that's why it is unique and something to be celebrated.

As regards to original casual being organic, you can see how the clothes/style had been influenced from prior ideas, the sharp haircuts were a bit mod, as were the straight fit jeans. Infact the idea of mod was working class men dressing in the most modern styles of the time, influenced heavily by the continent? Sounds a bit copied to me, consciously or not its still an influence.

As regards from today's generation (which I belong to to clarify) not having an organic culture/movement of there own I would agree, but I think that's telling of the way the UK is atm, a lot of apathy and very little original thought, I don't think that's down to young lads looking to the past for inspiration, history always influences the present there'e nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #251 on: November 2, 2013, 01:58:35 pm »
Believe it or not, you don't have to wear an official jersey to bring colours to the game.

Just wearing a red T-Shirt would be good and you don't have to feel silly wearing a replica jersey - not that you should anyway.

I wear a red shirt to the games these days and always bring a scarf whatever the weather. Haven't worn an official jersey to the match in a few years, so it's silly to read people saying that they won't wear colours because they don't want to wear a jersey.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #252 on: November 2, 2013, 03:39:08 pm »
Sorry I'm a fan from Scotland so only get to a few games a year but I never knew our own support mocked fans wearing a Liverpool shirt... was just wondering if there was any reason behind this?

I always wear a Liverpool shirt when I get the chance to go to games.

I think grown men wearing football shirts to go the match looks fucking daft.

But if you want to do it, go for it. I'm not really arsed what anyone else wears. I won't be though.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #253 on: November 2, 2013, 04:04:59 pm »
Once nipped out of a wedding to go the game fully suited and booted including the carnation. We won and I wentt back for the night do and got pissed. 

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« Reply #254 on: November 2, 2013, 04:08:49 pm »

It doesn't matter what you wear just make some fuckin noise.
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« Reply #255 on: November 2, 2013, 09:24:02 pm »
shirts & scarves don't sing...people do ;)
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #256 on: November 2, 2013, 11:13:36 pm »

I know. It shouldn't be. That attitude needs to change, as that sea of red won't come back by itself.

Why on Earth would someone make fun of that? You're at a game, for God's sake.

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« Reply #257 on: November 3, 2013, 02:38:26 am »
I'm pretty sure I've seen a sea of scarves for YNWA for recent manc games and for relatively recent Euro games. Why is it cool to carry them in the big games and not in run of the mill games?
There's no question that a good YNWA sets up the atmosphere for the rest of the game -I can't
see what the issue is. In the "good old days" all my mates wore scarves(except for away games to save getting your head kicked in) - the last thing on our minds was a fashion show - surely the main thing is the game and helping to get a result.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #258 on: November 3, 2013, 02:00:09 pm »
Can I just ask has anyone lit a flare or smokebomb? I've never been to a match that has one in it. Does it really help the atmosphere? And are they illegal and smuggled in now because loads of teams have done it...?
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #259 on: November 3, 2013, 02:27:46 pm »
Can I just ask has anyone lit a flare or smokebomb? I've never been to a match that has one in it. Does it really help the atmosphere? And are they illegal and smuggled in now because loads of teams have done it...?
Not in this country, but I took a 12" flare into the Attaturk in 2005.

I think they're brilliant for atmosphere, but at the same time, I can understand why they're banned, as they are inherently dangerous at close quarters.

They're like a mini volcano, and the amount of red hot ash and sparks they give off, not even to mention the acrid smoke, can cause no end of bother for the people around you.


And are they illegal and smuggled in now because loads of teams have done it...? 

Thy've always been illegal inside U.K. football grounds.

 As with all things, they come in and out of fashion.

In the 80s, you'd see the odd few flares on the Kop what the lads had picked up on their travels around Europe.  With all seater stadia, they kind of fell out of fashion a bit in the 90s and 2000s, and these days its very rare to see flares inside grounds in England, as due to the nature of them, they have to be held, hence why you see smoke bombs, which when ignited are dropped or thrown away from the culprit, so as not to attract attention to the person who initiated it.

If you did that with a flare, there's a very good chance you'd do somone a very serious injury.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #260 on: November 4, 2013, 11:19:10 am »
I'm pretty sure I've seen a sea of scarves for YNWA for recent manc games and for relatively recent Euro games. Why is it cool to carry them in the big games and not in run of the mill games?
There's no question that a good YNWA sets up the atmosphere for the rest of the game -I can't
see what the issue is. In the "good old days" all my mates wore scarves(except for away games to save getting your head kicked in) - the last thing on our minds was a fashion show - surely the main thing is the game and helping to get a result.

Isn't it funny that we've been known over the past few years as a team who raises their game and plays well and beats the top teams but struggles against the so-called lesser teams. Funny then that no one notices the correlation between the fans performance and the teams. If we approached every match, from a fans point of view, as a must win European game (see Zenit) then I'm 100% sure we'd be better off in the league. Its just a shame we can't be arsed!

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #261 on: November 4, 2013, 11:24:58 am »
Isn't it funny that we've been known over the past few years as a team who raises their game and plays well and beats the top teams but struggles against the so-called lesser teams. Funny then that no one notices the correlation between the fans performance and the teams. If we approached every match, from a fans point of view, as a must win European game (see Zenit) then I'm 100% sure we'd be better off in the league. Its just a shame we can't be arsed!
very true, but then again it doesn't have absolutely anything to do with fans wearing red, it's the attitude like some of the others have stated earlier.
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« Reply #262 on: November 4, 2013, 11:32:43 am »
very true, but then again it doesn't have absolutely anything to do with fans wearing red, it's the attitude like some of the others have stated earlier.

Yeah true attitude is everything. But half a sea of red and half the stadium bouncing will surely lead to the other half bouncing and wishing they wore red!

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« Reply #263 on: November 4, 2013, 11:47:26 am »
Yeah true attitude is everything. But half a sea of red and half the stadium bouncing will surely lead to the other half bouncing and wishing they wore red!
I mentioned in one of my earlier posts in this thread that Anfield in fact IS a sea of red at the beginning of the season and at the end, due to warm weather and more people wearing club yerseys or red shirts in general and the atmosphere is still pretty much shite.

It's not about people wearing red.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #264 on: November 4, 2013, 12:12:19 pm »

It's easy to dress well mate it's just your taste, no one asking you to dress anyway, I am simply a fan of what I perceive as the casual look  and I know its a look at least with strong roots in Anfield Terrace Culture, personally I do wear a red shirt but I prefer the retro ones, just into my old school clobber, I'm not forcing myself to be interested in anything mate haha.

I know you aren't mate. I do wear some of the type of clothes you're talking about with adidas trainees which is pretty standard. I dont relate it to the club quite as much as you do.

One thing that did annoy me slightly was the scarf thing some people mentioned. I personally think that wearing a Liverpool scarf should be something any Liverpool fan should be proud of. Instead people look at other fans wearing them and think 'wool'. Something’s gone wrong somewhere along the line there. Maybe at one stage it was cool not to wear them, silly but fair enough. Now it's just a bit stereotyped. LFC supporting scousers seeing something unscouse about our own clubs scarfs?

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« Reply #265 on: November 4, 2013, 09:58:19 pm »
Was going to ask someone about wearing gear and the years, but Flashing Blade has done in beautifully. There is a thread about the fashions down the years in the terraces, and this thread has nicely moved onto who wears what, I'm happy for it to continue along the lines of the OP (wear red please) and we don't wear colours yes we do so long as it doesn't turn into OOT v Local bitching.

Gegging in a bit now the thread's taken a turn for the better!

Don't you think the triangle's been flipped a bit here, with some of the OOTs actually taking the piss out of the locals?

I'm not arsed myself, but telling us we need to take tips from some team down south that wears green or some gridiron crowd in yellow t-shirts, while completely missing the point (& in some cases simply taking the piss) about the scally/casual thing, isn't the best way for our OOT brethren to make friends and influence people. Especially when the people they're trying to influence are "belligerent, raucous and self opinionated and believe ourselves to be different to the rest of the UK" - nailed there by FlashingBlade!

Every ground in the country, bar none, is a sea of club colours. Why would a load of red and white wool make ours look any more "special"? Some of Liverpool's greatest years were played out before a dark and moody Anfield crowd, with colours really only worn by kids and those older lads who hung onto what they'd picked up in the 60s and early 70s. Those of us who were in our teens and twenties in the late 70s and the 80s went with our own, "Liverpool", look. That's what most people at the game in their 40s and 50s have stuck to and what many young scousers have made their own.

Here's a few pics anyway:

Our end for the league Cup Final against Man United in 83


Reds in Germany for the 1981 semi-final second leg with Bayern:


An iconic image of our end at Coventry in 87 (I think):


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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #266 on: November 4, 2013, 10:03:15 pm »


Our end for the league Cup Final against Man United in 83




Cracking pic that
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #267 on: November 4, 2013, 10:17:15 pm »
Cracking pic that

The age of the crowd is the big thing.

That terrace would be filled by a crowd with an average age of 41 now.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #268 on: November 7, 2013, 12:09:44 am »
Just a timely bump, before Saturday.  :wave

Those of you in the Kop like myself, bring ya scarf, and wail ya heads off.


If you're not, but you know someone else that is, pass it on.  :scarf

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #269 on: November 7, 2013, 01:07:14 am »
'Scarves don't make atmosphere'?

Try having a scarf in your hand and holding it up during YNWA and not singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o7698ACvjg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cav4uLyKXqk

Wearing scarves or your team colours, whether tradition or not, looks intimidating and therefore aids the atmosphere. Heard of the yellow wall? The green brigade? Sounds like some people on this thread don't want to adopt something which would be beneficial to the atmosphere simply because it's not what they're used to. Don't complain about the atmosphere then.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #270 on: November 7, 2013, 10:44:10 am »
'Scarves don't make atmosphere'?

Try having a scarf in your hand and holding it up during YNWA and not singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o7698ACvjg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cav4uLyKXqk

Wearing scarves or your team colours, whether tradition or not, looks intimidating and therefore aids the atmosphere. Heard of the yellow wall? The green brigade? Sounds like some people on this thread don't want to adopt something which would be beneficial to the atmosphere simply because it's not what they're used to. Don't complain about the atmosphere then.
  I was proud to be part of this one and I've experienced some of the greatest renditions in the 60's and 70's. It was a one-off
game and it may not happen if we played here every fortnight(95,000 also helped) but it just goes to show what enthusiasm
can do(most of these people(including ex-pats) had looked forward to this for a long time). You can't tell me that sea of red
is not awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXpAfEXiyw

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #271 on: November 7, 2013, 11:04:18 am »
  I was proud to be part of this one and I've experienced some of the greatest renditions in the 60's and 70's. It was a one-off
game and it may not happen if we played here every fortnight(95,000 also helped) but it just goes to show what enthusiasm
can do(most of these people(including ex-pats) had looked forward to this for a long time). You can't tell me that sea of red
is not awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXpAfEXiyw

Yeah, but the Kop's living on past glories. Has been for years. There's the occasional memorable night, usually in the European Cup, the banners are nice, but generally the place is no different to any other football ground in England.

The truth is the 1980s were a poor period too (certainly when compared with the 70s). The colour went out of the Kop, the songs became shorter, much quicker and less frequently heard - and of course the place was rarely full. It was Bob Paisley, lest we forget, that complained about the lack of atmosphere at Anfield - and that was a year we won the league trophy.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #272 on: November 7, 2013, 11:25:20 am »
I think a few people are confusing what atmosphere is. It isn't just making noise. It's the whole feel of the place. I guess I never experienced The Kop at its height in the 60s and 70s, but I remember in the 80s when I could count on one hand the amount of games I missed, I felt part of something. It's a cliche, but it WAS its own community. You were among likeminded individuals. Contrast that to today. I feel alienated. I don't know whether that's on me or society or whatever. It's just how I see it. I don't relate to those around me anymore. And it's nothing to do with OOTs and wools. It's the mentality.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #273 on: November 7, 2013, 12:02:27 pm »
I think a few people are confusing what atmosphere is. It isn't just making noise. It's the whole feel of the place. I guess I never experienced The Kop at its height in the 60s and 70s, but I remember in the 80s when I could count on one hand the amount of games I missed, I felt part of something. It's a cliche, but it WAS its own community. You were among likeminded individuals. Contrast that to today. I feel alienated. I don't know whether that's on me or society or whatever. It's just how I see it. I don't relate to those around me anymore. And it's nothing to do with OOTs and wools. It's the mentality.

Sad, but true.

I used to think it would be amazing to see Anfield awash with colour and noise when we finally got to lift the League Title again. It will be too. But only for that game. The silence and the moaning will return very quickly I think, and nothing of substance will change.

You've only got to see the levels of apathy at places like the Etihad and White Hart Lane. You'd think their fans would be grateful for a bit of success in recent years (having seen relegation dogfights and Second and Third Division action in the recent past). But, no. They grumble more than they ever did.

We'll be the same.

I think you've got to go to Germany now to get some real stuff. Anyone wanting to know what the Kop was like back in the day need only go to a Dortmund game. They certainly shouldn't be heading for that graveyard called Anfield.
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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #274 on: November 7, 2013, 12:32:28 pm »
Going to Germany in March. Hoping to get a couple of games in over a weekend. Can't wait.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #275 on: November 7, 2013, 12:51:46 pm »
I think a few people are confusing what atmosphere is. It isn't just making noise. It's the whole feel of the place. I guess I never experienced The Kop at its height in the 60s and 70s, but I remember in the 80s when I could count on one hand the amount of games I missed, I felt part of something. It's a cliche, but it WAS its own community. You were among likeminded individuals. Contrast that to today. I feel alienated. I don't know whether that's on me or society or whatever. It's just how I see it. I don't relate to those around me anymore. And it's nothing to do with OOTs and wools. It's the mentality.

I agree with that sentiment, find it very hard to relate to those arund me at the game. In the 80s I was too young to care what cloths people wore at the game, my mum didn't want to spend money on replica shirts so I never had one, got given a scarf at the game once and still have it. In the 90s I barely missed a home game and went to lots of aways, I always remember a mix of colours and not, but there always seemed to be a lot of scarves. I've never worn a replica shirt because I don't like the look, in the 90s I was all about casual indie fashion, we all wore that clobber to the game and it felt right. We were a young group of mates who identified with a certain fashion and fitted for us, but I never remember anyone judging those who wore colours, and there were a lot in the 90s, especially after the Prem started. But fashion is always partly about age, not many people wear the same clothes their whole life, and there's always a clash between young and old. When I was in my 20s I don't expect the auld arses to be wearing the same as me, or even the kids who were younger. The 'casual' look is absolutely ingrained in Liverpool's history from that late 70's to mid 80's era, and it's one of the many things that made us different, but the idea that it should be a uniform to keep wearing seems as strange to as saying everyone should wear colours. The casual look became THE young persons look all over the UK and stopped being individual at all. Let's face it, a bloke in they're 40s or 50s is going to have a very different idea of what's cool than a lad in his 20s so the fashion argument in here is a bit of a moot point really. I get the OP's sentiments and i personally love seeing loads of scarves and flags but telling people they to wear replica shirts goes down just as badly as taking the piss out of someone's fashion choices at the game as far as I'm concerned. We really are a divided fan base these days....

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #276 on: November 7, 2013, 12:58:39 pm »
Going to Germany in March. Hoping to get a couple of games in over a weekend. Can't wait.
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]The Germans have certainly got it right in regards to ticket prices, making it possible for young fans to get the bug and create an atmosphere but I can't stand this ultra style of support. Blokes on megaphones or microphones leading the singing, which drones on all game no matter what's happening on the pitch?
The Palace fans were loud and vocal at Anfield but there was nothing original or witty going on, which is what the Kop WAS famous for.
The problem we've got is the natural order of things, older fans moving out of the Kop to make way for the next generation of passionate youngsters is gone.  I feel so sorry for today's kids, they can't all meet up on the day of a game and say come on, let's go to the game like we used to before all sweater all ticket  became the norm.

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« Reply #277 on: November 7, 2013, 01:08:24 pm »
That's a fair comment about the ultras. And, let's face it, there's always something a bit dodgy about seeing a mass of Germans acting in unison to the commands of a loud-hailer.
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« Reply #278 on: November 7, 2013, 02:07:39 pm »
That's a fair comment about the ultras. And, let's face it, there's always something a bit dodgy about seeing a mass of Germans acting in unison to the commands of a loud-hailer.

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Re: Wear Red, Bring a Scarf - Make the Kop Look Good Again
« Reply #279 on: November 7, 2013, 02:41:36 pm »
That's a fair comment about the ultras. And, let's face it, there's always something a bit dodgy about seeing a mass of Germans acting in unison to the commands of a loud-hailer.

 ;D

Especially when the guy with the loud hailer has a little black muzzie.

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Actually, I find the German way absolutely fucking boring. An incessant background din having not the slightest connection to the action on the pitch. I'd rather listen to the fella next door mowing his lawn.