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What are our potential weaknesses? (Hope the grammar is OK)
« on: September 23, 2013, 07:07:07 am »
Agger cos hes shit? Gerrard and Lucas because they are shit? No. Its because we dont have goals in us besides Suarez n Sturridge. Gone are the days when a side wins the league based on defensive solidity. Ask Fergie, you can play carrick and cleverly in most games and win the league because when push comes to shove the ball ends up in the net. We have 3 quality attacking players then we have some decent players and some good young uns. That is our real issue.

(This is NOT a moaning thread. More a place where we can discuss weaknesses in our armour like adults without anyone crying. I hope)
« Last Edit: September 25, 2013, 06:08:30 pm by bas5times »

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 07:19:28 am »
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 07:24:33 am »
whats our problem?


us fans.



we expect to much to soon from a squad that(at the moment) that has only played 5 league games and are sitting in 5th

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 07:28:50 am »
Relying on 1 playmaker for all the creativity.  He doesn't play out injured and that is the result.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2013, 07:32:29 am »
whats our problem?


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we expect to much to soon from a squad that(at the moment) that has only played 5 league games and are sitting in 5th

Well said. We expect to much to soon. Realistically we are a club that has the potential to reach 4th but in reality 5-7th is where we are at.  We shouldn't be disheartened because of that because we are still in the process of getting the right players in and playing them in this style of football Brendan is implementing.

It takes time we must be patient, but most of us aren't because of the history of this club and it's expectation.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 07:35:55 am »
whats our problem?


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we expect to much to soon from a squad that(at the moment) that has only played 5 league games and are sitting in 5th

I agree.  10 points from 5 is more than decent. My problem is after a bad game everyone picks a scapegoat when really our biggest shortcoming is glaringly obvious.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 07:54:08 am »
Our problem is fans like the OP with knee jerk posts after one bad game, did we have this problem when we beat United ? If so why didnt the OP post this then.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2013, 08:30:35 am »
Agger cos hes shit? Gerrard and Lucas because they are shit? No. Its because we dont have goals in us besides Suarez n Sturridge. Gone are the days when a side wins the league based on defensive solidity. Ask Fergie, you can play carrick and cleverly in most games and win the league because when push comes to shove the ball ends up in the net. We have 3 quality attacking players then we have some decent players and some good young uns. That is our real issue.

Rodgers knows we lack a depth of goalscorers. It's why he was desperate for Mikhitaryan who would have been perfect for us.

It's about having the ball as well, dominating games and being solid. To do that you need the right qualities in midfield.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2013, 08:48:58 am »
The problem is the lack of depth, lack of quality and lack of match-winners & game-changers.
And also our fitness seems to be terrible, only managing one half per game.

Points and position wise we're fine but anybody who's watched us this season knows there's cause for concern.
It's no surprise either because our transfer window (bar the defence) was just awful.

But with a bit of luck, some good coaching and the teams around us stuttering, we still have a chance of getting Europa this season, maybe better depending on where we are cone January and what we do in that window.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2013, 08:55:41 am »
We are a permanent 'work in progress', although I haven't seen that old chestnut so much on here lately.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2013, 08:57:23 am »
The problem is the lack of depth, lack of quality and lack of match-winners & game-changers.
And also our fitness seems to be terrible, only managing one half per game.

Points and position wise we're fine but anybody who's watched us this season knows there's cause for concern.
It's no surprise either because our transfer window (bar the defence) was just awful.

But with a bit of luck, some good coaching and the teams around us stuttering, we still have a chance of getting Europa this season, maybe better depending on where we are cone January and what we do in that window.

We've got rid of a whole multitude of players over the last couple of years. Some excellent, some good, some bad, some indifferent. And we haven't kept or signed enough excellent or good players so the squad is as bad as its ever been. It's only centre half where the squad looks strong and even then that turned into a negative Saturday with four centre backs in defence to cover a lack of depth at full back.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2013, 08:59:28 am »
The standard of fucking grammar in this country. No apostrophe in "whats" and no question mark. No wonder we can't get a fucking second half performance out of the players when so-called fans can't even be arsed to punctuate their shite threads.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2013, 09:04:32 am »
I agree totally with the views of johnsmith and fromola. We were and still are an average side with a number of strengths (5 excellent players) but also some glaring deficiencies that were not overcome during the summer. Our manager is still very much on a steep learning curve.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 09:37:04 am »
We divert too much of our budget towards young players who make little to no impact on results and are increasingly untrusted by the manager.  4 centrebacks is a slap in the face to our developing players really.

We didn't get a solid backup for right back or defensive midfield, instead opting for 3 centre backs, a left back and a few pretty ineffective attackers.

It's strange,  I always find myself relatively happy after Rodgers transfer windows and its only once the season begins we all realise how short we are in vital positions.


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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2013, 09:50:33 am »
For christs sake someone delete this god awful thread.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2013, 09:53:28 am »
The problem as I see it is our squad isn't as good as the best teams in the leagues, we aren't in Europe so its hard to attract the best quality players and we don't have the money to compete with petro dollars and publicly floated companies worth a billion pounds. So, same as everyone else then. So, what are we doing to rectify that? Investing in youth and rebuilding the club from the ground up, including expanding our aging stadium. What does that mean for the future? Several more years of mediocrity and bumming around mid table. So, perspective then. Tough start to the season, real good set of results, but now a few injuries in and one or two mediocre to bad results does not mean we should run out and overhaul the first team and squad. Its a marathon, not a race.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2013, 09:58:20 am »

Our problem is that we have too many injuries at the moment (combined with Suarez suspension), so Rodgers can't carry on with his experiment. The fact that he has added Sakho, Toure and Ilori, and has kept Agger, Skrtel and Wisdom, makes me think that Rodgers is planning to try the 3-4-1-2 or the 3-4-3 formation, once everyone is fit. The signing of a typical wing-back like Cissokho is also indicative of that, with Aspas, Moses and Alberto also being a very good fit for such formations.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2013, 10:07:50 am »
Simple for me, we have an average midfield.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2013, 10:19:18 am »
Lack of talent. Simple.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2013, 10:22:50 am »
It seems as though we cant deal with teams that pressure us a lot when we have possession, especially at the back. At the moment it is really obvious how much we are missing Glen, i never appreciated the job he does for us but from now on i will!

Also Stevie had possibly his worst game in a red shirt for a long time, he seemed to want time on the ball when there was no time. He got caught in possession time after time!

Hopefully this will be a wake up call.

All is not doom and gloom though, Swansea are a really good team atm and will take points off a lot of our competitors and Southampton looked a solid outfit too.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2013, 10:23:09 am »
Like I said on Saturday, we're not Arsenal in the season they went unbeaten in the League. Last season we lost nine games - even United who won the league still lost five of their games. Apart from the defeat on Saturday, we've had our best start in years, one defeat won't end our season.


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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2013, 10:23:45 am »
Good God people. One loss. The first loss of the season. And by one goal. From a set piece. And suddenly, there's no talent in the team in any position, our defence is shit, our midfield is shit, and our forwards are shit.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2013, 10:24:27 am »
We scored tons of goals last season, more than nearly everyone else. We scored a record number away from home, didn't we?

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2013, 10:26:41 am »
Good God people. One loss. The first loss of the season. And by one goal. From a set piece. And suddenly, there's no talent in the team in any position, our defence is shit, our midfield is shit, and our forwards are shit.

To continue in the same way this whole thread is shit :

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2013, 10:29:38 am »
Lack of talent. Simple.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2013, 10:31:08 am »
Wow.

Our problem is we're five games into the season, 8 points better off than at the same stage last season and people are asking what the problem is.

Just chill the fuck out.

We've for Agger, Sakho, Allen, Enrique, Kelly and Sturridge nowhere near full fitness. We've got Coutinho, Cissokho and Johnson injured. We've got Suarez back now. We've got Ilori and Alberto to possibly come into the side.

Anyone having 7 or 8 of their preferred line up out or unfit would struggle. We knew this. In the next few weeks, with a re-invigorated Suarez and a few returning to match sharpness lets see how we do. We've laid a good foundation under difficult circumstances, regardless of how bad we were on Saturday.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2013, 10:32:29 am »
First game we lost without Suarez.

The only problem we have is moronic 'supporters' who think we're title contenders and are going to walk 38 wins this year. Yes, it was a bad day at the office but let's have some fucking perspective.

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2013, 10:34:04 am »
Lack of talent. Simple.

That's rubbish. We have a squad full of talented players. That much was shown against United at and Stoke at home in different ways.

We are missing big names right now. Look at United without RVP yesterday. Any team will miss their best player(s).

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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2013, 10:40:40 am »
To say our squad is not good enough for top 4 is over the top.

Personally, I think we've been too pragmatic this season, we've talked endlessly about Rogers imposing his footballing philosophy over various stages when suitable players have been brought in.

Last season the pragmatism was understandable, we did not have defenders for a high line, which meant to play too expansively left too much space for Gerrard and Lucas to cover. So we played counter attack mainly to a good deal of success with elements of possesion based football.

At this point I feel we should be playing with a high line attacking football even if we do fall down against teams excelelnt on the attack Villa etc .
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2013, 10:41:04 am »
That's rubbish. We have a squad full of talented players. That much was shown against United at and Stoke at home in different ways.

We are missing big names right now. Look at United without RVP yesterday. Any team will miss their best player(s).
I don't think we do, there was no one on that bench Saturday who could make an immediate impact. (I like the young lad Alberto but believe he needs more time...) Lucky we get Suarez back.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2013, 10:41:29 am »
We don't win every single game we play, that's the problem.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2013, 10:41:36 am »
There isn't one!! When will fans understand its going to take probably 5 yrs to get were we want to be, we may achieve this earlier but I doubt it, this team is in its infancy ffs. Kneejerkin all over this forum.
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2013, 10:46:03 am »
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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2013, 10:46:46 am »
I don't think we do, there was no one on that bench Saturday who could make an immediate impact. (I like the young lad Alberto but believe he needs more time...) Lucky we get Suarez back.
Coutinho, Suarez and Johons would all have added an attacking option = not avalibale.
Agger & Sturridge were not match fit and Moses is not there yet either.

The squad is under pressure right now because of injuries. I don't think a lack of talent is a fair assessment.

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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2013, 10:49:32 am »
Coutinho, Suarez and Johons would all have added an attacking option = not avalibale.
Agger & Sturridge were not match fit and Moses is not there yet either.

The squad is under pressure right now because of injuries. I don't think a lack of talent is a fair assessment.
Yes maybe if we had all 3 of those players avaliable. But the fact is teams we are 'competing' with could lose 2/3 players has bring in quality whereas we lose those 3 you mentioned and we look very lacklustre indeed.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2013, 10:49:45 am »
On one hand you're complaining only Suarez and Sturridge score goals and then to back up your argument you talk about Utd winning the league and mention Cleverley and Carrick who don't score goals.

If you look at United's goals the vast majority of them come from their strikers Rooney and Van Persie which is our problem apparently.

Bizarre.

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2013, 10:59:23 am »
I agree with those who say the level of expectation needs to be realistic.  If we get to a stage where we are challenging for 4th place and have above 66 points this season, that would be a progress.  We need to stay the course.  Yes there are bits missing in our team, but every other supporter of other teams feels the same about their team.  It takes time to fix it all and sometimes there is not the opportunity in the market to get the players you need.  Also the player and the manager and coaches are also learning and need time and opportunity to fix errors, try new things etc.
On the whole the last 9 months have been good.  Since Jan 1 we have lost 6 games, mostly to teams that would be regarded inferior to us (Southampton (twice), Zenit, West Brom Oldham, ManU).  That is not a bad run really, all things considered and is probably out best spell since 2008/09.  Still the fans complain.
Specifically on the recent 2 results - our defence has been messed around by injuries and trying to fit new players in, and both of our  most creative players (Coutinho and Suarez) were out.  So we need to sort out defence out, get a bit luckier on injuries and probably need to add creativity (which we tried to do during the summer but failed).  10 points for 5 games this season and 43 from 23 this year is actually rather good.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2013, 11:00:44 am »
Yes maybe if we had all 3 of those players avaliable. But the fact is teams we are 'competing' with could lose 2/3 players has bring in quality whereas we lose those 3 you mentioned and we look very lacklustre indeed.

United lost their best player yesterday, RVP, and lacked any real threat for most of the game. All squads have top players and they are usually missed if absent.

We don't "ook "lacklustre" as a rule, we just played poorly on Saturday.

I am finding that sweeping conclusions are being reached on the back of a poor game.

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Re: Whats our problem
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2013, 11:11:42 am »
United lost their best player yesterday, RVP, and lacked any real threat for most of the game. All squads have top players and they are usually missed if absent.

We don't "ook "lacklustre" as a rule, we just played poorly on Saturday.

I am finding that sweeping conclusions are being reached on the back of a poor game.

Unitd is a 2 man team - Van Persie and Rooney are all they have got that lifts them above the pack. But we should not be comparing ourselves with United as a benchmark - the benchmark is now the likes of City and Spurs where they have multiple quality options and incredible depth. I suspect at the end of the season, United will find themselvves in danger of falingout of the top 4 for the first time in literally decades. The top 4 belongs to teams such as City and if we want to get back in there, we will have to spend most of our money to get the players of proven qualtiy - not just on "maybe" players.