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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10200 on: January 11, 2019, 12:04:36 AM »
I see Gomez isn't due back until Feb...so much for the 5-6 weeks bullshit.

It wasn't set in stone for a definite 5-6 weeks. You can never entirely say how many weeks it will take as sometimes setbacks occur.
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I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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« Reply #10202 on: January 11, 2019, 12:11:13 AM »
:butt  :butt

Is it true is the bigger question?

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« Reply #10203 on: January 11, 2019, 12:12:15 AM »
Is it true is the bigger question?

Who knows

The idea of Henderson and Fabinho being our starting CBs against Wolves seems a bit far fetched
I believe the average spend will go up £5 ahead and that’s being very conservative. So that’s £185k. Then you have a new 25k who will spend £10 a head that’s £250k. This is without the massively enhanced hospitality areas.

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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10205 on: January 11, 2019, 12:46:07 AM »
Mate, we can't use Chris Bascombe on here as a link.
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« Reply #10206 on: January 11, 2019, 12:52:12 AM »
As it behind a Paywell? Will edit it then

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« Reply #10207 on: January 11, 2019, 12:54:40 AM »
As it behind a Paywell? Will edit it then

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« Reply #10208 on: January 11, 2019, 12:57:31 AM »
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10209 on: January 11, 2019, 07:13:10 AM »
It wasn't set in stone for a definite 5-6 weeks. You can never entirely say how many weeks it will take as sometimes setbacks occur.

Yes it was, the club said he'd be out for 6 weeks which was widely optimistic to say the least in my opinion.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10210 on: January 11, 2019, 07:42:48 AM »
Yes it was, the club said he'd be out for 6 weeks which was widely optimistic to say the least in my opinion.

They said "about six weeks" that does not translate to it being exactly six weeks to my thinking. You use common sense to realise it's a rough estimate based on the mending going without a hitch. Clearly its taking longer than that, which can sometimes happen. It's one of those things, with Joe's record of injuries we obviously can't take any chances.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10211 on: January 11, 2019, 08:09:07 AM »
They said "about six weeks" that does not translate to it being exactly six weeks to my thinking. You use common sense to realise it's a rough estimate based on the mending going without a hitch. Clearly its taking longer than that, which can sometimes happen. It's one of those things, with Joe's record of injuries we obviously can't take any chances.

No. The exact words they used were up to 6 weeks. Not about. You can go look at the press release if you want. The target for these is always return to play as well as that's what the goal is. The healing isn't taking any longer than it should and if he's going to be back in the next month then it's probably going the same as all fractures do, which is a non or partial weight bearing status for the first 6 weeks whilst the new soft bone hardens enough to allow full weight bearing. Thats basic fracture healing no matter how many caveats you put on it. To put 6 weeks for this was just getting people's hopes up and waaaaay off the mark as he was never going to be back 6 weeks after fracturing his fibula.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10212 on: January 11, 2019, 11:02:59 AM »
Matip trained yesterday per klopp
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« Reply #10213 on: January 11, 2019, 11:13:29 AM »
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10214 on: January 11, 2019, 11:15:48 AM »
Lovren could be back after Palace game according to Klopp

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« Reply #10215 on: January 11, 2019, 11:49:03 AM »
Matip trained yesterday per klopp

Good stuff. Straight in then?

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« Reply #10216 on: January 11, 2019, 11:50:05 AM »
No. The exact words they used were up to 6 weeks. Not about. You can go look at the press release if you want. The target for these is always return to play as well as that's what the goal is. The healing isn't taking any longer than it should and if he's going to be back in the next month then it's probably going the same as all fractures do, which is a non or partial weight bearing status for the first 6 weeks whilst the new soft bone hardens enough to allow full weight bearing. Thats basic fracture healing no matter how many caveats you put on it. To put 6 weeks for this was just getting people's hopes up and waaaaay off the mark as he was never going to be back 6 weeks after fracturing his fibula.

It still doesn't change the fact that any thing they say is tempered over whether the healing process is a quick one or not. I never take anything they say as gospel because at the end of the day any player injured can suffer setbacks, which will obviously put things back. Really don't get why its such a big deal. It's only because fans spend too much time stressing about stuff like this.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10217 on: January 11, 2019, 11:54:53 AM »
Good stuff. Straight in then?
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« Reply #10218 on: January 11, 2019, 12:01:13 PM »
It still doesn't change the fact that any thing they say is tempered over whether the healing process is a quick one or not. I never take anything they say as gospel because at the end of the day any player injured can suffer setbacks, which will obviously put things back. Really don't get why its such a big deal. It's only because fans spend too much time stressing about stuff like this.

It's a big deal because when the club say 6 weeks people take it as 6 weeks, then when it isn't 6 weeks people worry that something untoward has happened and theres been a major setback that keeps a key player out for longer. Those press releases are supposed to manage expectations and the clearly haven't done that, this was always going to be a 2 to 3 month process and that's what they should have said.
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« Reply #10219 on: January 11, 2019, 12:11:15 PM »
Gomez got injured what about a month ago?

Klopp said today:

“[The situation with] centre-halves is not cool in this moment but probably in two weeks it looks different.

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« Reply #10220 on: January 11, 2019, 12:15:28 PM »
Gomez got injured what about a month ago?

Klopp said today:

“[The situation with] centre-halves is not cool in this moment but probably in two weeks it looks different.

5 weeks ago. I think the latest reports are that he'll be back in February which adds another 3 weeks on, which is probably about right for a fibula fracture
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« Reply #10221 on: January 11, 2019, 12:27:26 PM »
No. The exact words they used were up to 6 weeks. Not about. You can go look at the press release if you want. The target for these is always return to play as well as that's what the goal is. The healing isn't taking any longer than it should and if he's going to be back in the next month then it's probably going the same as all fractures do, which is a non or partial weight bearing status for the first 6 weeks whilst the new soft bone hardens enough to allow full weight bearing. Thats basic fracture healing no matter how many caveats you put on it. To put 6 weeks for this was just getting people's hopes up and waaaaay off the mark as he was never going to be back 6 weeks after fracturing his fibula.

How does it even matter..  ;D
If he's match fit he walks into our team.. if he's not we need to manage without him to the best of our abilities..
What the club said or didnt say or how they worded their statement at the time of injury means fuck all really..

I don't remember how the club worded the Ox injury statement, but it was widely reported that he would be out the whole season and possibly miss the start of next as well.. But now there's a chance he could be back earlier..

Sometimes players heal faster than expected, sometimes longer.. We just need to suck it up and hope our players remain largely injury free and when they do get injured, come back as quick as possible..
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« Reply #10222 on: January 11, 2019, 12:37:57 PM »
How does it even matter..  ;D
If he's match fit he walks into our team.. if he's not we need to manage without him to the best of our abilities..
What the club said or didnt say or how they worded their statement at the time of injury means fuck all really..

I don't remember how the club worded the Ox injury statement, but it was widely reported that he would be out the whole season and possibly miss the start of next as well.. But now there's a chance he could be back earlier..

Sometimes players heal faster than expected, sometimes longer.. We just need to suck it up and hope our players remain largely injury free and when they do get injured, come back as quick as possible..
It matters because he is a better option to have rather than Lovren or Matip...if Gomez is playing against City Aguero doesn't get that shot off for the goal.
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Re: Current injury updates? not a transfer speculation thread
« Reply #10223 on: January 11, 2019, 12:45:12 PM »
Lallana out as well

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« Reply #10224 on: January 11, 2019, 12:45:35 PM »
It matters because he is a better option to have rather than Lovren or Matip...if Gomez is playing against City Aguero doesn't get that shot off for the goal.

No it doesn't matter.. all that matters is when the team management think he is ready to play for us..
There are plenty of times statements are put out that xyz player is injured or has a knock and won't play, only to be in the playing eleven (mostly against us)
Injury statements can never be definite..

As for Aguero not scoring if Gomez is on the pitch is just a silly statement to make, because there is no way for us to know that.. Maybe he scores, maybe he doesn't..
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« Reply #10225 on: January 11, 2019, 12:48:29 PM »

As for Aguero not scoring if Gomez is on the pitch is just a silly statement to make, because there is no way for us to know that.. Maybe he scores, maybe he doesn't..
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« Reply #10226 on: January 11, 2019, 12:50:27 PM »
Lallana out as well
Again. Just cannot rely on him at all.

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« Reply #10227 on: January 11, 2019, 12:53:32 PM »
Again. Just cannot rely on him at all.

To be fair mate, we haven't really relied on him this season anyway..
I really don't see how he would have got a start even if he was fully fit.. on the bench yes, but not a start..
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« Reply #10228 on: January 11, 2019, 12:57:40 PM »
To be fair mate, we haven't really relied on him this season anyway..
I really don't see how he would have got a start even if he was fully fit.. on the bench yes, but not a start..
fully fit he would if on form

problem is he needs games to find the level we expect of him. and he keeps getting injured so he isnt going to get to that level

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« Reply #10229 on: January 11, 2019, 12:59:20 PM »
To be fair mate, we haven't really relied on him this season anyway..
I really don't see how he would have got a start even if he was fully fit.. on the bench yes, but not a start..

Thats the problem. If he was a 20 year old on £20k a week I would have no problem, and would be patient. But I'm sure he's on more than £100k, is nearing the end of his peak years and still is of no use to us currently.

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« Reply #10230 on: January 11, 2019, 01:01:59 PM »
Lovren potentially back after Palace
Matip could still play tomorrow should be ready for Palace

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« Reply #10231 on: January 11, 2019, 01:02:45 PM »
It's a big deal because when the club say 6 weeks people take it as 6 weeks, then when it isn't 6 weeks people worry that something untoward has happened and theres been a major setback that keeps a key player out for longer. Those press releases are supposed to manage expectations and the clearly haven't done that, this was always going to be a 2 to 3 month process and that's what they should have said.

While I get what you mean I just find it sad that some people have little faith on the other players we have. People need to learn to trust in the squad we have, we will cope with it. Every team gets injuries its par for the course in football.
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« Reply #10232 on: January 11, 2019, 01:04:18 PM »
fully fit he would if on form

problem is he needs games to find the level we expect of him. and he keeps getting injured so he isnt going to get to that level

he will be gone in the summer im sure

Yep.. he's not been fully fit long enough to recapture any sort of form.. agree that he'll be off in the summer..
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« Reply #10233 on: January 11, 2019, 01:05:20 PM »
While I get what you mean I just find it sad that some people have little faith on the other players we have. People need to learn to trust in the squad we have, we will cope with it. Every team gets injuries its par for the course in football.

Completely agree with that, you deal with the cards you're dealt and there isn't much else you can do about it.
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« Reply #10234 on: January 11, 2019, 01:06:08 PM »
Thats the problem. If he was a 20 year old on £20k a week I would have no problem, and would be patient. But I'm sure he's on more than £100k, is nearing the end of his peak years and still is of no use to us currently.

Which is why there has been some speculation and plenty of chat on here as well that he will be moved on or he will want to move on himself to get regular minutes elsewhere..
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« Reply #10235 on: January 11, 2019, 01:17:45 PM »
Thats the problem. If he was a 20 year old on £20k a week I would have no problem, and would be patient. But I'm sure he's on more than £100k, is nearing the end of his peak years and still is of no use to us currently.
age yes but his wages have nothing to do with it. if he was playing for free you would still be somewhat disappointed that he isnt at the level we expect from him and seems to be always injured
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« Reply #10236 on: January 11, 2019, 01:24:34 PM »
To be fair mate, we haven't really relied on him this season anyway..
I really don't see how he would have got a start even if he was fully fit.. on the bench yes, but not a start..
I understand what you mean, it's just a bit frustrating when we could perhaps do with the numbers, even for the bench, and the find he's got another niggle. Shades of Sturridge when he went through that period of being unavailable when he was needed the most.

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« Reply #10237 on: January 12, 2019, 12:29:54 AM »
Interesting by Mel Reddy on one of the Wrap shoes today regarding Ox's "rehabilitation being ahead of schedule" and that "he could also feature soon enough and work with the team during the extended period of rest (ahead of the 1st leg against Bayern)".

Sounds like he might indeed be back for the tail end of the season.
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« Reply #10238 on: January 12, 2019, 12:47:01 AM »
No. The exact words they used were up to 6 weeks. Not about. You can go look at the press release if you want. The target for these is always return to play as well as that's what the goal is. The healing isn't taking any longer than it should and if he's going to be back in the next month then it's probably going the same as all fractures do, which is a non or partial weight bearing status for the first 6 weeks whilst the new soft bone hardens enough to allow full weight bearing. Thats basic fracture healing no matter how many caveats you put on it. To put 6 weeks for this was just getting people's hopes up and waaaaay off the mark as he was never going to be back 6 weeks after fracturing his fibula.


Yea up to six weeks made it seem as if it could be shorter. Strange wording indeed. Was wondering how it could be so quick. Having read the above it's clear that it couldn't have.
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« Reply #10239 on: January 12, 2019, 02:29:09 AM »
Lallana out as well

We really need to move on from Lallana. Injured, takes time to regain match sharpness. Then injured again. Repeat.
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