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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54160 on: November 11, 2019, 11:57:24 AM »
Ornstein's piece for The Athletic has an interesting tidbit re: Aubameyang. Arsenal have taken issue with his relationship with AFTV. He's been asked to stop engaging with Troopz, who he invites to his executive box. Team mates and staff are also unhappy with Aubameyang liking contentious AFTV material, although some admit what he's done is smart, because it makes him immune to criticism. Unsurprisingly, many at the club think AFTV has led to the increase in criticisms towards certain players and an upsurge in negativity

Doesn't need AFTV for that. Turn on Sky Sports or BT Sports and you'll see guys like Xhaka & Mustafi get a pasting from the analysts on there. Not sure what AFTV adds that these guys haven't already said.

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« Reply #54161 on: November 11, 2019, 12:41:18 PM »
Ornstein's piece for The Athletic has an interesting tidbit re: Aubameyang. Arsenal have taken issue with his relationship with AFTV. He's been asked to stop engaging with Troopz, who he invites to his executive box. Team mates and staff are also unhappy with Aubameyang liking contentious AFTV material, although some admit what he's done is smart, because it makes him immune to criticism. Unsurprisingly, many at the club think AFTV has led to the increase in criticisms towards certain players and an upsurge in negativity
he shouldn’t be liking some of it but troopz to be fair calls him out when he’s had a shit game (did at the weekend), surprised they haven’t stopped Robbie doing the videos outside the ground and generally make his life more difficult (or just ban him and the likes of troopz and DT)

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54162 on: November 11, 2019, 12:51:44 PM »
Doesn't need AFTV for that. Turn on Sky Sports or BT Sports and you'll see guys like Xhaka & Mustafi get a pasting from the analysts on there. Not sure what AFTV adds that these guys haven't already said.

AFTV are a whole differfent level though, they seem to set the standard for these fan tv channels, and that's not a compliment, so I can't blame Arsenal's hiarachy for maybe getting mad at the whole thing. 

There's a reason that fans from other teams openly state on forums, twitter, FB or wherever that they can't wait for AFTV after an Arsenal game, it's huge.

It doesn't help a team with troubles one bit, but those who own and run AFTV of course don't care, as it's making them a lot of money.

I can't stand the by comparison mild LFC version, the Arsenal version is an out of control monster, and it does have a baring on the atmosphere around the club. 
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54163 on: November 11, 2019, 02:16:13 PM »
Yeah, quite straightforward on how this can affect team spirit. A player who's close with a very vocal and well-known fan channel who traffics in negative criticism or at least have the rep of doing so is made captain. And you've players like Bellerin who've expressed their dislike for them.

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« Reply #54164 on: November 11, 2019, 05:30:03 PM »
The AFTV guys can be over the top, but do they pick the team every week? Are they the ones who send out a confused team with no defensive shape? Are they in charge of subs? I could go on for a long time about how this sounds like a poor attempt to blame the failings of a manager and staff on the fans again.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54165 on: November 11, 2019, 08:27:23 PM »
Aubameyang had his say on his insta stories, basically I speak to who I want innit bloodclaat

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« Reply #54166 on: November 11, 2019, 08:42:53 PM »
The AFTV guys can be over the top, but do they pick the team every week? Are they the ones who send out a confused team with no defensive shape? Are they in charge of subs? I could go on for a long time about how this sounds like a poor attempt to blame the failings of a manager and staff on the fans again.

It's a constant thing, we're even having the 'it was shameful how they treated Wenger' lot come out again.  Wenger was perhaps given the most patience of any manager in the past 20 years, he did wonders for many years but ended up with 63 points at the end of the season after losing 11 games away (to put that in context, Liverpool now have 34 points after less than a third of the season gone). It was time for him to go and even the most ardent Wenger supporters realised it wasn't looking like it'd turn around.

The players are on fantastic money and I can't believe Emery is totally clueless (nor was Wenger, mind you), but the players just aren't seemingly responding to what they're told.  This guy didn't win so many Europa cups because he happened to luck through the games, he clearly at some level knows what he is doing, but for some reason there seems a deep malaise at Arsenal which is holding the club back.  In some ways it reminds me of the huge expectations Liverpool fans had under Rodgers and under Klopp pre-CL win - the difference is the fanbase is far more divided at Arsenal, and the match day fans are of a different sort.  I'm not sure we can definitively say the Emery reign is completely over (he is currently just about making the club perform to top 4 standard), but if he loses many more games I can't help but think he's got until new year at the latest.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54167 on: November 11, 2019, 09:24:31 PM »
Oh look, everybody on the footballing side of the club has failed miserably since Tony Blair left office, let's blame something totally inconsequential to try and deflect attention from the real problems.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54168 on: November 11, 2019, 10:42:29 PM »
I don't think anyone is saying that AFTV are responsible for Arsenal struggling or going backwards. But they do perhaps contribute a little towards the moody atmosphere and deteriorating relations between players and fans...?
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« Reply #54169 on: November 11, 2019, 10:43:13 PM »
I don't think anyone is saying that AFTV are responsible for Arsenal struggling or going backwards. But they do perhaps contribute a little towards the moody atmosphere and deteriorating relations between players and fans...?

AFTV has existed for about 6,7 years, and when they were winning FA cups every year, no one had an issue with them. They're an easy scapegoat.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54170 on: November 11, 2019, 10:53:02 PM »
You’ve got that Robbie popping up on MOTD now in a little box as the highlights are shown

If I was an Arsenal fan I’d want him whipped through the streets. He’s literally made gold from misery and knows exactly what he’s up to

Every single one of them on that are completely reactionary apart from one well spoken fella with a beard. He’s the only one with a brain. Think he’s called Mo or similar
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« Reply #54171 on: November 11, 2019, 11:02:08 PM »
You’ve got that Robbie popping up on MOTD now in a little box as the highlights are shown

If I was an Arsenal fan I’d want him whipped through the streets. He’s literally made gold from misery and knows exactly what he’s up to

But then that's what a lot of media is. If something is going wrong it attracts press. I mean listen to BBC 606 - sometimes it's like they invite people from the universe of Mad Max to call in. The controversy sells and it's not AFCTV's fault that they are getting more attention in recent times because of bad form. It's just part of the footballing circus.

That said I don't watch it, so maybe he does something differently, I could be wrong.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54172 on: November 11, 2019, 11:18:45 PM »
AFTV has existed for about 6,7 years, and when they were winning FA cups every year, no one had an issue with them. They're an easy scapegoat.
But when things were going well the fans on AFTV weren't being so poisonous or such dicks. There's a growing toxicity to the Arsenal fanbase. It's not caused by AFTV but their putting it out there, so in-yer-face, moments after every bad moment and reversal probably doesn't help.

This applies to all similar fan channels for other clubs during tough times. There's a vicious circle of lead and follow when times are bad just as there's an equivalent virtuous circle when times are good. But the two aren't equivalent in worth or effect.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54173 on: November 11, 2019, 11:22:57 PM »
But when things were going well the fans on AFTV weren't being so poisonous or such dicks. There's a growing toxicity to the Arsenal fanbase. It's not caused by AFTV but their putting it out there, so in-yer-face, moments after every bad moment and reversal probably doesn't help.

This applies to all similar fan channels for other clubs during tough times. There's a vicious circle of lead and follow when times are bad just as there's an equivalent virtuous circle when times are good. But the two aren't equivalent in worth or effect.
how is this different to the likes of 606 and other phone in shows that have existed for decades?

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« Reply #54174 on: November 11, 2019, 11:26:30 PM »
But then that's what a lot of media is. If something is going wrong it attracts press. I mean listen to BBC 606 - sometimes it's like they invite people from the universe of Mad Max to call in. The controversy sells and it's not AFCTV's fault that they are getting more attention in recent times because of bad form. It's just part of the footballing circus.

That said I don't watch it, so maybe he does something differently, I could be wrong.

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That channel is supposed to be for Arsenal fans. But there I am sat with a brew, casting it to my tv like it’s game of fucking thrones. And Robbie knows full well I and millions of others like me exist and he gives us what we want

The people he interviews are pure circus. All with their own particular insanity and he knows just how to rile each one. One bloke using every last possible phrase in the book of Jive talk. Ironically asking him if he ‘understan’ every 20 seconds. Another bloke with tattoos on his face who’s possibly the most reactionary man in the world. Jibbering with delight at a win suggesting the team ‘did what I’ve been saying’ then a loss he’s out to kill, suggesting sackings of all comers like he’s the CO of a company just before he jumps out of a window . Another two usually interviewed together an old bloke called Claud and another small guy called Ty

Claud is literally on the very brink of a nervous breakdown has lost what hair he had when it all started and can be seen in other clips mournfully rubbing his bald head with insanity going off behind him and Ty is genuinely certifiable. He looks like he’s run through the club shop in a super market sweep challenge before being interviewed and his comments are such ridiculous and purposefully misplaced positivity he is the very proof that the whole thing is a huge money making sham
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54175 on: November 11, 2019, 11:30:16 PM »
how is this different to the likes of 606 and other phone in shows that have existed for decades?
Well it is a concentrated dose about that one team only, after every game. And the recurring 'stars' just add to the problem as viewers start identifying with them and taking sides and following.

All I'm saying is that if your not careful these things can form a feedback loop just amplifying the tensions and toxicity rather than dissipating it.

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« Reply #54176 on: November 11, 2019, 11:32:32 PM »
So what, are Sky, BT and talkshite the only media outlets allowed to make money from football?

heaven forbid a man from the streets do well for himself

As Gerry pointed out, just scapegoats for the shite performing millionaire footballers and multi million pound owners

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« Reply #54177 on: November 11, 2019, 11:37:28 PM »
So what, are Sky, BT and talkshite the only media outlets allowed to make money from football?

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As Gerry pointed out, just scapegoats for the shite performing millionaire footballers and multi million pound owners
Can't speak for anyone else but for my part as I was only talking about fans and fan behaviour, as already stated.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54178 on: November 12, 2019, 03:22:14 AM »
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« Reply #54179 on: November 12, 2019, 04:11:54 AM »
So what, are Sky, BT and talkshite the only media outlets allowed to make money from football?

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As Gerry pointed out, just scapegoats for the shite performing millionaire footballers and multi million pound owners

Good point, AFTV upsets their apple cart and challenges for their media revenue. The existing powers aren't going to let that be without pushback.
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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54180 on: November 12, 2019, 09:49:42 AM »
The players are on fantastic money and I can't believe Emery is totally clueless (nor was Wenger, mind you), but the players just aren't seemingly responding to what they're told.  This guy didn't win so many Europa cups because he happened to luck through the games, he clearly at some level knows what he is doing, but for some reason there seems a deep malaise at Arsenal which is holding the club back.  In some ways it reminds me of the huge expectations Liverpool fans had under Rodgers and under Klopp pre-CL win - the difference is the fanbase is far more divided at Arsenal, and the match day fans are of a different sort.  I'm not sure we can definitively say the Emery reign is completely over (he is currently just about making the club perform to top 4 standard), but if he loses many more games I can't help but think he's got until new year at the latest.

A team needs to be able to defend to get results. Either by having players within the team (especially midfield) that have some defensive nous about them, in addition to having a manager that can first coach players into a shape and style without the ball, but almost as importantly, motivate them to want to get back into shape, to press and win the ball back, to track runners from midfield etc.

The problem is, we lack the players with defensive instinct, coupled with the fact it looks like the players have lost that 5-10% motivation to put in that extra graft under Emery. That's why we are so poor at stopping other teams from creating chances. When you lose that belief, that's all it takes sometimes, and it's difficult to get back without a drastic change.
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« Reply #54181 on: November 12, 2019, 12:48:31 PM »
A team needs to be able to defend to get results. Either by having players within the team (especially midfield) that have some defensive nous about them, in addition to having a manager that can first coach players into a shape and style without the ball, but almost as importantly, motivate them to want to get back into shape, to press and win the ball back, to track runners from midfield etc.

The problem is, we lack the players with defensive instinct, coupled with the fact it looks like the players have lost that 5-10% motivation to put in that extra graft under Emery. That's why we are so poor at stopping other teams from creating chances. When you lose that belief, that's all it takes sometimes, and it's difficult to get back without a drastic change.

It's not just that you lack players with ''defensive instinct'' you lack a manager who cares enough about defending.

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« Reply #54182 on: November 12, 2019, 01:02:29 PM »
A team needs to be able to defend to get results. Either by having players within the team (especially midfield) that have some defensive nous about them, in addition to having a manager that can first coach players into a shape and style without the ball, but almost as importantly, motivate them to want to get back into shape, to press and win the ball back, to track runners from midfield etc.

The problem is, we lack the players with defensive instinct, coupled with the fact it looks like the players have lost that 5-10% motivation to put in that extra graft under Emery. That's why we are so poor at stopping other teams from creating chances. When you lose that belief, that's all it takes sometimes, and it's difficult to get back without a drastic change.

Sounds like a job for Mourinho...


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« Reply #54183 on: November 12, 2019, 01:30:48 PM »
Sounds like a job for Mourinho...
Ironically, on a purely tactical and organisational level, Mourinho is just what they need.
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« Reply #54184 on: November 12, 2019, 01:53:22 PM »
Good point, AFTV upsets their apple cart and challenges for their media revenue. The existing powers aren't going to let that be without pushback.

While there is nothing wrong with them making money from the club, now that their audience has expanded beyond arsenal fans, there is the potential for a vicious cycle where they make more from being negative, which makes their crowds more negative and the team gets no benefit from a good crowd. Look at how often our players or manager have credited our crowds with giving them a boost in games, far less chance of that for arsenal.


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« Reply #54185 on: November 12, 2019, 01:58:14 PM »
One last thing I forgot to mention.



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« Reply #54186 on: November 12, 2019, 02:08:28 PM »
Ironically, on a purely tactical and organisational level, Mourinho is just what they need.

Your most probably right....certainly to start with, until his poisonous alter ego appears round about the end of season 2 before taking full grip around season 3 and causing the club to implode.

Maybe a 2 year contract would work.   ;D

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« Reply #54187 on: November 12, 2019, 02:09:37 PM »
You should go after Rafa.

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« Reply #54188 on: November 12, 2019, 02:12:38 PM »
I just want to add that it is fantastic that so many are calling on ownership to sack Emery and somehow snatch Brendan away from Leicester.
No doubt he's gotten a whiff of this and had a cocky smirk! 

(After all the mocking Brendan took from so many other fanbases (and some in LFC's) I'm tickled he's getting this sort of explicit respect. Good on him.)

Also, I'm with rushyman in enjoying the AFTV meltdown videos.  Pure entertainment.

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Re: General Arsenal Thread - Wenger Gone - Unai Emery appointed
« Reply #54189 on: November 12, 2019, 04:24:05 PM »
Sounds like a job for Mourinho...



Now this looks like a job for me
So Arsenal just sack Emery
'Cause we need a little controversy
'Cause it feels so empty without me

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« Reply #54190 on: November 14, 2019, 02:38:31 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50404854

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« Reply #54191 on: November 14, 2019, 06:38:44 AM »


Now this looks like a job for me
So Arsenal just sack Emery
'Cause we need a little controversy
'Cause it feels so empty without me



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« Reply #54192 on: November 14, 2019, 08:54:24 AM »


Now this looks like a job for me
So Arsenal just sack Emery
'Cause we need a little controversy
'Cause it feels so empty without me



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