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« on: August 25, 2013, 10:23:40 AM »
Try and keep it sort of serious  :wave 
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2013, 10:46:07 AM »
I don't mind Mourinho.  There, I said it.  I feel a little dirty but it's true.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2013, 10:58:08 AM »
I don't mind Mourinho.  There, I said it.  I feel a little dirty but it's true.

No chance of finishing lower than 3rd this year.

Have to say I don't have as much hate towards him as I use to.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2013, 11:01:09 AM »
has he lost some of that 'edge' or is he just playing smart? i'll be interested in seeing how their season pans out

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 11:19:07 AM »
Try and keep it sort of serious  :wave 

Can't you give warnings to folk who post stupid comments? The General Football and Sport forum is usually quite civilised.

Anyway back to Chelsea. I honestly thought Oscar was doomed when Mourinho was appointed, but it looks like he's first choice for the no. 10 role, and that its Mata who may be the overall loser.

Am guessing that Lampard and Terry are now back to undroppable status, which is bad news for Luiz and/or Cahill, and Essien and Mikel will hardly get a look in.

Not sure how Rooney solves their striker issue either.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2013, 11:23:12 AM »
Have to say I don't have as much hate towards him as I use to.

I'd say that's because it's all smooth sailing so far for him. Once something goes against them, I doubt the mellow nice guy will be seen much more.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2013, 11:24:35 AM »
has he lost some of that 'edge' or is he just playing smart? i'll be interested in seeing how their season pans out
Nah, he's not playing it smart. He has lost that aura of being the "SPECIAL ONE" at Real Madrid, he's not as intimidating as before to be quite honest.

Think they will finish a distant second with a large margin on United but not near enough to challenge City.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013, 11:56:14 AM »
Hate them and Mourinho but I hope they give united a proper beating tommorow

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2013, 12:06:33 PM »
Willian confirmed.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2013, 12:08:39 PM »
We can give warnings but as soon as a General topic becomes high maintenance we are more likely to lock it. More grief than it is worth.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2013, 12:14:56 PM »
Just posted this extract from Carra's column in the Spurs thread in response to something, but it's derailing that thread. Highlights the conscious - indeed planned - aspect of his behaviour. Much like Ferguson in that respect. Context: Carra chatted at length to Mourinho last season when he went to Manchester to catch up with Xabi.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2013, 12:16:51 PM »
Hate Chelsea, but Mourinho is a quality manager. Glad to have him back in the Premier.

And yes, Spain does seem to have calmed him down a bit doesn't it?
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2013, 12:47:04 PM »
Hate Chelsea, but Mourinho is a quality manager. Glad to have him back in the Premier.

And yes, Spain does seem to have calmed him down a bit doesn't it?
it's all a front mate, I don't buy it.
all this "oh, I'm so mellow now, I'm back amongst friends" stuff is a load of shite, just to get the media on his side.
and it seems to be working too.
there were so many journos heads up his arse at that presser the other day, I'm surprised he could sit down.

2 games in and he's already wound up 3 managers.

I'm just hoping he winds up someone in the chelsea dressing room, Mata or maybe Torres, and they decide to break ranks and cause a Madrid style split in there.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2013, 12:48:26 PM »
Their midfield is seriously loaded ;D


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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2013, 12:51:02 PM »
Their midfield is seriously loaded ;D




Van Ginkel as well. Oriol Romeu and Marin out on loan.

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2013, 12:51:08 PM »
Wilian and Hazard are wingers/attacking mids
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2013, 12:53:03 PM »
They've got Eto'o now apparently too:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10264473/Chelsea-seal-deal-for-Samuel-Etoo-as-Jose-Mourinho-decides-to-wait-for-Manchester-Uniteds-Wayne-Rooney.html

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Chelsea seal deal for Samuel Eto'o as Jose Mourinho decides to wait for Manchester United's Wayne Rooney

Chelsea have agreed a deal to sign Samuel Eto’o as part of the negotiations to acquire Willian for £30 million from Anzhi Makhachkala which will end their attempts to buy Wayne Rooney this summer.

The double signing could be announced later this week. The transfer of Eto’o, the 32-year-old former Inter Milan and Barcelona striker, is part of the agreement to sign Brazil midfielder Willian but Jose Mourinho does not want Eto’o’s involvement to become public until after Monday night’s Premier League game against Manchester United. Mourinho hopes that continuing the speculation over Chelsea’s interest in Rooney, who may start, will unsettle United.

Rooney had hoped to join Chelsea this summer but is now resigned to staying at United and, it is understood, fully prepared to run down his contract in the hope of either leaving in January or more likely next summer when Moyes may be more prepared to sell. Chelsea have indicated that they will wait for Rooney, who has two years left on his contract, and they regard Eto’o as a stopgap.

The fee for Eto’o, the highest-paid player at the Russian club, is thought to be around £2 million. Tottenham Hotspur , who had agreed a deal to sign Willian until it was hijacked by Chelsea, are furious at having missed out on the midfielder and the collapse of the move could delay Gareth Bale’s impending departure to Real Madrid. Spurs are determined to bring in another attacking player first as well as sign Roma forward Erik Lamela.

Spanish media said Bale had arrived in Spain yesterday ahead of a world record move which Barcelona coach Gerardo Martino said was disrespectful. Martino said: "Bale is a good player but the numbers that are being talked about; it is a lack of respect for the world we live in."

Speaking ahead of Chelsea's clash with United, Mourinho was happy to discuss the possibility of signing Rooney, for whom Chelsea have had two bids rejected, even arguing that United should sell to them to keep the striker in England.

“That old-fashioned mentality of ‘I don’t sell players to clubs in the same country’ I think doesn’t help the market,” Mourinho said.

“It doesn’t help the players and sometimes you push players to play abroad when you should be interested in keeping the players to play in your league because when you keep players in your league you are contributing to making your league the best league, so when you want to sell and you push the players abroad I think you are giving the wrong contribution to the league.”

Mourinho suggested it was not in United’s interests to keep an “unhappy” player. “We had Robben unhappy, we sold him to Real Madrid because he wanted so much to go to Real Madrid. We had William Gallas unhappy, we sold William Gallas to Arsenal,” he said of his first spell at Chelsea although he added that “every case” was different.

Eto’o, like Willian and Anzhi’s other star players, was put up for sale after club owner Suleyman Kerimov decided to pull much of his funding. His arrival at Chelsea will see the club attempt to move on Demba Ba before the transfer window closes, with Victor Moses expected to go out on loan.

Willian’s arrival will cast further doubt on the future of Juan Mata. He is likely to make way for Willian in Mourinho’s first-choice team, the Brazilian lining up with Eden Hazard and Oscar as an attacking trio behind a lone striker.

Mata is unlikely to be sold this summer but he will not be happy if his role at Chelsea is reduced – especially with a World Cup at the end of the season.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2013, 12:56:50 PM »
That is mental if true. Ba, Lukaku, Torres, Eto'o.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2013, 12:59:17 PM »
That is mental if true. Ba, Lukaku, Torres, Eto'o.
don't think any of those could really be classed as in form, proven world class strikers though.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2013, 01:03:41 PM »
Eto'o is way past his best.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2013, 01:06:06 PM »
The odd thing for me is that he hasn't tried to go and get Drogba.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2013, 01:07:41 PM »
The odd thing for me is that he hasn't tried to go and get Drogba.

or Benteke. Similar players, Benteke still only 22  :o


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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2013, 01:07:43 PM »
don't think any of those could really be classed as in form, proven world class strikers though.

True but I don't know how you keep them all happy. Surely one has to go, Ba is a really good forward but can't see him being someone Mourinho likes, Torres for me is just not worth it any more; far too inconsistent and needs to go back to Spain. Lukaku can be great but needs experience and to be the main man.

Chelsea might be biting off more than they can chew but the squad depth is outstanding. I think Mourinho is more bothered about the Champions League than the league seeing as he never won it with Chelsea first time round so having a plethora of talent to come in for the latter stages of that tournament may be his idea. Whether or not he can get a team to gel in the league I don't know; I think City will be in better shape and will have a better understanding as a team.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2013, 01:07:52 PM »
Their midfield is seriously loaded ;D




I'm sure he'll still manage to squeeze in complaints of lack of squad depth or spending power at some point, though.

No excuse not to be challenging for the league title at the least with that squad, if not winning it. Fortunately it's still a little unbalanced (particularly in defensive midfield) and they're potentially lacking a striker (unless Lukaku is played regularly and comes good, which he probably will) but I'm worried that the sheer attacking talent will be enough to overrun most of the league.

About 10-12 teams in the league look like they've got little for the big guns to worry about, so Chelsea might accumulate a hell of a lot of their points that way, Man Utd-esque from Ferguson's last few years. Hoping Man City can stop them, but both are preferable to Moyes' United.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2013, 01:08:45 PM »
don't think any of those could really be classed as in form, proven world class strikers though.

I don't think Ba and Lukaku are world class mate, maybe Premier League proven, but not world class. Not to mince words with you like...

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2013, 01:08:46 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCtci6cen8

Interesting video about the reasons why Abramovich wanted to buy Chelsea in the first place.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2013, 01:10:50 PM »
Try and keep it sort of serious  :wave 
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2013, 01:15:25 PM »
I really didn't mind what Mourinho brought to the game. He brought passion and rivalry back. It was a throwback to when most teams had hate figures. I love all that, all the drama, fans up in arms, atmosphere bubbling over with every challenge. Today, in comparison is virtually sterilised with everyone wanting to keep out of controversy.

He's obviously very talented at getting the best from his team physically and mentally. He's not trying to be respected, and with respect he doesn't have to be. His achievements when he wraps up will speak for themselves. You will respect his success, if not the man behind it.

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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2013, 01:22:11 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCtci6cen8

Interesting video about the reasons why Abramovich wanted to buy Chelsea in the first place.

Ain't watched it, but does it have anything to do with money laundering?  :P
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2013, 01:23:03 PM »
I don't think Ba and Lukaku are world class mate, maybe Premier League proven, but not world class. Not to mince words with you like...

You're agreeing with him - that's exactly what he was saying.
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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2013, 01:24:08 PM »
I don't think Ba and Lukaku are world class mate, maybe Premier League proven, but not world class. Not to mince words with you like...

Mourinho's a class act, I have to admit, I hate the guts of him when he plays us, or beats us, but that's me as a Liverpool Supporter. As a Football Fan, I love to see him do his thang.

He's a very good manager, but what exactly is his 'thang'?

You can observe someone like Pellegrini, with a fairly novel system of football, and learn something. The same with Rodgers's possession football, the precision, down to the time granted (our own instruction) to each player on the ball and the passing to a player's left or right foot etc. You could watch a Benitez team and see how precisely players fit within the team unit, both as at the level of the entire 11 and the defensive unit closest to the ball. I watch a Mourinho team and I see a well organised side (but not to the absolute highest level I've seen a certain Spaniard do), I see good use of tactical attacks (which Allardyce is very good at as well, any Allardyce team is actually worth more of a watch for a learning experience as an amateur coach, in terms of getting the best out of resources rather than a Mourinho side). I see players instructed to gang up on refs any time a contentious decision looks likely, but hey, you know who got that done too.

When you see a Mourinho side in action, you see the work of a good coach and his staff. There isn't anything you can take away, that you could call his 'thang' that identifies him imo. All this strictly talking about football of course.

Then there are those who like his 'charisma' off the pitch. I don't know how it is these days with 'men' but I have a fairly straightforward method when assessing people on a professional basis, either you show me useful information I can use or shut up.

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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2013, 01:24:30 PM »
Wilian and Hazard are wingers/attacking mids

Think you may have been whooshed, mate.

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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2013, 01:26:11 PM »
He's a very good manager, but what exactly is his 'thang'?

You can observe someone like Pellegrini, with a fairly novel system of football, and learn something. The same with Rodgers's possession football, the precision, down to the time granted (our own instruction) to each player on the ball and the passing to a player's left or right foot etc. You could watch a Benitez team and see how precisely players fit within the team unit, both as at the level of the entire 11 and the defensive unit closest to the ball. I watch a Mourinho team and I see a well organised side (but not to the absolute highest level I've seen a certain Spaniard do), I see good use of tactical attacks (which Allardyce is very good at as well, any Allardyce team is actually worth more of a watch for a learning experience as an amateur coach, in terms of getting the best out of resources rather than a Mourinho side). I see players instructed to gang up on refs any time a contentious decision looks likely, but hey, you know who got that done too.

When you see a Mourinho side in action, you see the work of a good coach and his staff. There isn't anything you can take away, that you could call his 'thang' that identifies him imo. All this strictly talking about football of course.

Then there are those who like his 'charisma' off the pitch. I don't know how it is these days with 'men' but I have a fairly straightforward method when assessing people on a professional basis, either you show me useful information I can use or shut up.

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2013, 01:37:10 PM »
He's a very good manager, but what exactly is his 'thang'?

You can observe someone like Pellegrini, with a fairly novel system of football, and learn something. The same with Rodgers's possession football, the precision, down to the time granted (our own instruction) to each player on the ball and the passing to a player's left or right foot etc. You could watch a Benitez team and see how precisely players fit within the team unit, both as at the level of the entire 11 and the defensive unit closest to the ball. I watch a Mourinho team and I see a well organised side (but not to the absolute highest level I've seen a certain Spaniard do), I see good use of tactical attacks (which Allardyce is very good at as well, any Allardyce team is actually worth more of a watch for a learning experience as an amateur coach, in terms of getting the best out of resources rather than a Mourinho side). I see players instructed to gang up on refs any time a contentious decision looks likely, but hey, you know who got that done too.

When you see a Mourinho side in action, you see the work of a good coach and his staff. There isn't anything you can take away, that you could call his 'thang' that identifies him imo. All this strictly talking about football of course.

Then there are those who like his 'charisma' off the pitch. I don't know how it is these days with 'men' but I have a fairly straightforward method when assessing people on a professional basis, either you show me useful information I can use or shut up.

I didn't know football managers are setting their team as a learning experience for the people watching.
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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2013, 01:55:09 PM »
I don't think Ba and Lukaku are world class mate, maybe Premier League proven, but not world class. Not to mince words with you like...

that's what I said.  :P


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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2013, 01:58:48 PM »
that's what I said.  :P

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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2013, 01:59:02 PM »
 Is Mourinho bloated, middle-aged and comfortable or mature and happy?

I think he can do great things if he actually settles and puts his roots down for once.

It will be interesting to see if he uses the smurfs in midfield properly or reverts to type and the more direct, defensive style.
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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2013, 02:12:54 PM »
Van Ginkel as well. Oriol Romeu and Marin out on loan.
Lucas Piazon is also out on loan. Not a bad player also. Seriously they didn't need Willian but they needed a world class striker. I'm still stunned they didn't get Falcao as I was sure they would go for him.

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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2013, 02:23:44 PM »
Some of you haven't been following La Liga if you think that Mourinho has mellowed out

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Re: General Chelsea Thread
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2013, 02:25:54 PM »
or Benteke. Similar players, Benteke still only 22  :o

if Benteke plays like this for the whole season, next season he's more than likely off to Chelsea
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