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Re: Learning the Guitar (acoustic)
« Reply #840 on: April 18, 2020, 11:04:00 PM »
If i had a pound for everyone i know who wants to learn guitar..  ;D  .. I've been playing over 30+ years, pubs clubs & recording studios etc.

you must really.. really.. really want to, cos it's hard to master just the basic's.. but when you do & strum a few tunes you'll feel the bollock's  8)
Number 1 i think is keep the guitar 'in tune'.. when out of tune it will sound shite & just put you off trying.. buy a SNARK tuner (ebay) i still use one today.
youtube.. 'look for easy 3 chord songs' maybe pay for some basic lessons, it will help you loads, or if you have a mate to show some basics

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Re: Learning the Guitar (acoustic)
« Reply #841 on: April 18, 2020, 11:45:20 PM »
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #842 on: April 19, 2020, 09:38:04 AM »
^ what a fucking poser - using the fingerboard BEFORE the capo :D

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #843 on: April 19, 2020, 07:28:56 PM »
check out justinguitar. free online lessons and it's structured too. has different lessons for different styles and techniques.

off the bat, i think the big things to learn are

a) chords (the open ones, so A Major, A minor, C major, D major, D minor, E major, E minor, G major) those are the main ones and you can play a lot of songs with just them

b) strumming patterns. Simple ones to begin with. A one used a lot is Down Down Up, Up Down Up (making sure to keep in time with a metronome)

c) little bit of guitar knowledge/theory. e.g names of the strings. (EADGBe) notes on the fretboard - it may be a bit boring but i'd get into looking into the major scale and how important it is(ep2 after the below vid) -

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/-YkiaALRb54" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/-YkiaALRb54</a>

d) figure out a style or what genre/stlye/songs want to play. country/rock/jazz? also do you want to use a pick or play fingerstyle (fleetwood mac kinda sound)


big thing right now is just to get the chords down and memorised then, start slowly changing between them.
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #844 on: April 19, 2020, 07:47:09 PM »
let music itself guide you too. You learn while having fun if you play along to songs you love!

Note: liking a song like "There She Goes" (G D Cadd9) is a bit easier than "Stairway to heaven"  ;D

Quite a lot of the early months (yes, months) on guitar are 1) being crap and 2) being in pain - these are related. You need callouses and wrist strength for barre chords; ain't no way around that but playing

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #845 on: April 19, 2020, 07:59:52 PM »
let music itself guide you too. You learn while having fun if you play along to songs you love!

Note: liking a song like "There She Goes" (G D Cadd9) is a bit easier than "Stairway to heaven"  ;D

Quite a lot of the early months (yes, months) on guitar are 1) being crap and 2) being in pain - these are related. You need callouses and wrist strength for barre chords; ain't no way around that but playing
That's why I never got far trying to learn.  The pain in my hands, fingers and wrists was unreal but I put it down to playing the piano where basically all the joints and tendons are the opposite way to playing guitar.

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #846 on: April 19, 2020, 08:01:11 PM »
let music itself guide you too. You learn while having fun if you play along to songs you love!

Note: liking a song like "There She Goes" (G D Cadd9) is a bit easier than "Stairway to heaven"  ;D

Quite a lot of the early months (yes, months) on guitar are 1) being crap and 2) being in pain - these are related. You need callouses and wrist strength for barre chords; ain't no way around that but playing
That's true , there is quite a lot of pain, frustration and callouses involved early on. However, you don't necessarily need to learn barre chords. I've always favoured open chords and trying to play in different tunings.

Agree though, find the chords of some fairly simple  some songs you like and play along. That's the best way to learn.

Have been enjoying my guitar during the lockdown. Has helped pass the time a lot.

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #847 on: April 20, 2020, 11:57:55 AM »
let music itself guide you too. You learn while having fun if you play along to songs you love!

Note: liking a song like "There She Goes" (G D Cadd9) is a bit easier than "Stairway to heaven"  ;D

Quite a lot of the early months (yes, months) on guitar are 1) being crap and 2) being in pain - these are related. You need callouses and wrist strength for barre chords; ain't no way around that but playing
i made sure to not mention barre chords  :D

but it is a rite of passage we all have to go through
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #848 on: April 20, 2020, 12:39:54 PM »
When you play, make sure you get your hand position right from the start. Your thumb should be on the back of the neck and you hold your hand and curl your fingers.

If you start off doing this, it'll make things easier in the long run..







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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #849 on: April 20, 2020, 01:15:06 PM »
When you play, make sure you get your hand position right from the start. Your thumb should be on the back of the neck and you hold your hand and curl your fingers.

If you start off doing this, it'll make things easier in the long run..









you're right

but still, hendrix loved doing thumb over the top. not what i like doing but for certain songs you kinda need to do it

but yeah, at the beginning, thumb behind the neck
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #850 on: April 20, 2020, 01:52:31 PM »
Just thought I'd flag that Laura Marling has put a load of guitar tutorials on you tube, with a new live one every week on Instagram.

She's a very good guitar player, it's her job of course. However, the lessons are very accessible because she happily admits that she basically plays by ear, so doesn't know all of the chords and scales. So as long as you know the basics and have a guitar, it's easy to play along.

There are also tips on different tunings, which opens up a whole new world of possibilities. My guitar is currently tuned in DADF#AD, which is the tuning that Joni Mitchell used a lot on some of her great early albums.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCw4yVTjnWBHI-shcf4l8iUmbU9lFA1Yw

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #851 on: April 20, 2020, 01:53:39 PM »
you're right

but still, hendrix loved doing thumb over the top. not what i like doing but for certain songs you kinda need to do it

but yeah, at the beginning, thumb behind the neck
Hendrix had massive hands apparently and used his thumb to dampen the low strings.

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #852 on: April 20, 2020, 02:05:06 PM »
Hendrix had massive hands apparently and used his thumb to dampen the low strings.
annoyingly, my thumbs aren't anything to write home about. and since my main inspiration is Frusciante who learned from Hendrix, it means you have to adapt.  john mayer is the same. blessed with huge thumbs that make his technique easier. try it out, but definitely stick with thumb behind the neck to start and then experiment
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #853 on: April 20, 2020, 04:30:04 PM »
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #855 on: April 29, 2020, 05:43:56 PM »
my best guitar story is busking There She Goes on Hardman st and Abbey Mavers - actress and niece of the La's Lee Mavers, my personal hero - stopping to admire, ask me to do it again, and giving me a kiss on the cheek for my efforts  :)

Cmon lads. Actresses who are related to your hero kiss you. Sort out your fingering, your licks, and don't be afraid of that G string!

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #856 on: May 4, 2020, 01:08:28 PM »
May as well show off my Mexican Telecaster!


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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #857 on: May 4, 2020, 05:13:21 PM »
I used to play years ago - was in bands and everything - just strumming (as I sang) and some riffs, picked it up a couple of weeks ago and fuck me.

I'm shite. Yeah I can still just about get the chords and the ideas, but it's like trying to run through treacle and my accuracy is all over the shop.

Part of the problem were the 14 year old strings on my guitar, so I've swapped those out and might give it a bit of a practice so that I'm less shite.
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #858 on: May 4, 2020, 05:59:55 PM »
If you want to play songs accurately do them in slow motion

Works for me - I use an old Winamp install with Pacemaker which lets you slow a song down without effing the pitch

Can dig out links etc. if anybody arsed

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #859 on: May 4, 2020, 07:17:28 PM »
If you want to play songs accurately do them in slow motion

Works for me - I use an old Winamp install with Pacemaker which lets you slow a song down without effing the pitch

Can dig out links etc. if anybody arsed

Sounds interesting mate :)
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #860 on: May 7, 2020, 10:03:52 AM »
Sounds interesting mate :)

Oh it's worth a go!

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #861 on: May 14, 2020, 10:45:15 PM »
Has anyone had experience with changing the way you hold a pick after a really long time?

I've always been conscious that I've held it in a unfamiliar way (tip of the index instead of to the side of it), but I got used to it and was able to play most rock solos.  Always had trouble learning Yngwie Malmsteen kinda stuff (as well as any sweep picking), which I'm now really into in this quarantine.

I've decided to hold it the right way, in an effort to finally learn that kinda stuff after 10 plus years of playing, but man is it a drag. I've felt like a complete beginner for the past week of trying  :(

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #862 on: May 15, 2020, 08:49:53 AM »
Has anyone had experience with changing the way you hold a pick after a really long time?

I've always been conscious that I've held it in a unfamiliar way (tip of the index instead of to the side of it), but I got used to it and was able to play most rock solos.  Always had trouble learning Yngwie Malmsteen kinda stuff (as well as any sweep picking), which I'm now really into in this quarantine.

I've decided to hold it the right way, in an effort to finally learn that kinda stuff after 10 plus years of playing, but man is it a drag. I've felt like a complete beginner for the past week of trying  :(

Old habits die hard. I can't manage to improve my technique at all these days.

I watched Richard Thompson do a lockdown gig the other day and his picking hand technique is incredible.
https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2020/royal-albert-home-richard-thompson/
Watch it at the link. Even if you're not into his tunes, there's some awesome skills at work here.
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #863 on: May 15, 2020, 07:30:58 PM »
Old habits die hard. I can't manage to improve my technique at all these days.

I watched Richard Thompson do a lockdown gig the other day and his picking hand technique is incredible.
https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2020/royal-albert-home-richard-thompson/
Watch it at the link. Even if you're not into his tunes, there's some awesome skills at work here.
Yeah I saw that too, it was really great. Was in bits when he played Withered and Died. He's an amazing guitarist but haven't watched him play much so was interesting to watch close up. Would love to learn his technique - playing the rhythm on the low notes with a pick between his thumb and index finger, then picking out melodies with his other 3 fingers. Looks really hard though. He's been perfecting it for maybe 60 odd years. Would be very difficult to start doing this after many years of developing my own cack-handed way of playing!

I am similar, I have plateaued a bit in recent years, but trying different tunings helps a bit. Not in terms of technique but it just makes the guitar sound different.

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #864 on: May 15, 2020, 08:08:53 PM »
Old habits die hard. I can't manage to improve my technique at all these days.

I watched Richard Thompson do a lockdown gig the other day and his picking hand technique is incredible.
https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2020/royal-albert-home-richard-thompson/
Watch it at the link. Even if you're not into his tunes, there's some awesome skills at work here.
Tell me about it :( (very slowly improving everyday though).

That picking style was quite something. Aside from using his other 3 fingers, he really seems to have partitioned his hand in two separate rhythms  :o

Marty Friedman's picking style is also really unconventional (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HfQWx2_Dxc), but then again, he's not really a big alternate picker.

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #865 on: May 15, 2020, 08:25:56 PM »




That picking style was quite something. Aside from using his other 3 fingers, he really seems to have partitioned his hand in two separate rhythms  :o


Yeah it's a bit like playing the piano, where the left and right hands are doing two different but complimentary things simultaneously. Incredible how he does this with his fingers.

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #866 on: November 10, 2020, 03:37:35 PM »
Any learners ever followed Paul Davids' course?

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #867 on: November 10, 2020, 04:00:28 PM »
Any learners ever followed Paul Davids' course?

I've been very tempted as I really like his stuff and seems to be a great player, but......with me being such a beginner I thought I need just get the basics right first and see if it's something I love and then I might fork out for his courses. But surely the majority can be picked up through Youtube? or Rocksmith?

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #868 on: November 11, 2020, 11:06:33 AM »
Our John's collection ... he loves his axes.  John my cousin is what you would call a serious guitar collector, he never got married so he could pursue his first love the mad sod.  ;D


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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #869 on: November 13, 2020, 02:34:39 PM »
When you play, make sure you get your hand position right from the start. Your thumb should be on the back of the neck and you hold your hand and curl your fingers.

If you start off doing this, it'll make things easier in the long run..








Only just stumbled on this.

I have been playing wrong for 46 years.  Ah well..   ;)
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« Reply #870 on: November 13, 2020, 04:52:08 PM »
Only just stumbled on this.

I have been playing wrong for 46 years.  Ah well..   ;)


I think we can let you off given that you're fucking awesome mate.

Can't wait to get down and watch you again next time all this shite is over with.

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #871 on: November 13, 2020, 11:37:58 PM »
Our John's collection ... he loves his axes.  John my cousin is what you would call a serious guitar collector, he never got married so he could pursue his first love the mad sod.  ;D
'Our Johns Collection'...  ;D  Give me a grin that mate .. i used to have guitars all over the house at one time, drove my missus mad  ;D
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #872 on: November 14, 2020, 09:40:33 PM »
 

I think we can let you off given that you're fucking awesome mate.

Can't wait to get down and watch you again next time all this shite is over with.

:)

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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #873 on: November 14, 2020, 09:44:17 PM »

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« Reply #874 on: November 16, 2020, 12:57:58 PM »
Only heard you once, in a small pub in Birkenhead and thought exactly the same, the lad can play guitar. Hope you're alright Terry
Cheers mate, hope you are well too.
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Re: Anyone here play the Guitar?
« Reply #875 on: November 17, 2020, 06:11:43 PM »
my tips for anyone wanting to start playing the guitar - for what it's worth  :wave

my background: I have been playing the guitar for over 20 years and in that time have given up loads of times before finally one day falling in love with it and from that my journey became a pleasure not a pain

I've played with bands (only in jam sessions though) and I am self-taught but have regretted not taking lessons when I first started out

the purists among you might think my thinking is controversial but anyhoo...

FIRSTly

why do you want to learn?

is it to play in a band?

if so then there's a LOT of hard work and years of practice ahead
then you've got to ask yourself whether you're happy playing covers (other artist's music and songs) because that's going to be hard but in a way easier than writing your own as all the tabs are there for you to learn from

to form your own band or be a solo artist?

if so then there's a LOT of hard work and years of practice ahead
and then you need creativity as song writing/music writing is a much harder path but a more rewarding one creatively

to play to your family and friends?

if so then there's a LOT of hard work and years of practice ahead
but you have to ask yourself how many times are you going to be able to do this and then you'll really need to learn to sing as people aren't going to sit around and listen to you playing the instrumental versions of Wonderwall, Yellow, One, Hotel California etc they'll want to hear the songs

to play by yourself in your bedroom along to your songs?

if so then there's a LOT of hard work and years of practice ahead - but only you will hear how good/bad you are and you'll have to ask yourself is that rewarding enough for all the time you'll have to commit to learning

to make your own music/songs to upload to youtube/social media/free streaming sites like soundloud?

if so then there's a LOT of hard work and years of practice ahead - and then be prepared for people to criticise your music
and what are you going to do with your music? sell it? offer it for free? is that rewarding enough?

and then what level of guitarist are you aiming to be?

do you want to be as good as Hendrix/McCartney/Gilmour etc?

i can tell you now that you won't be. So set your bar quite low and be realistic and then you can relax and learn the guitar knowing that each day you'll get better but realistically if Hendrix is a 10 then most guitarists - even really good ones - never really get past being a 4

do you need to know music theory and will you have to learn scales and read music before you can start playing?

no. most learners are put off playing the guitar by having to do all this first and learning to play should be fun. my advice is to learn a few chords and learn a few songs and then if you want to progress further then it's up to you to pursue those avenues

so are those avenues worth pursing then?

fucking hell yes, and they will make you a better guitarist and 'things' will start to fall into place BUT you CAN learn to play songs without that knowledge so it is up to you

should you take guitar lessons?

only when you are ready to as it can depend on the teacher and it can depend on your confidence and commitment - you CAN learn to play from youtube videos but you can't get that personal one to one that a teacher can bring and that instant answer to your questions

I'd rather a learner enjoyed the introduction to playing the guitar rather than get bored with theory, finger exercises, guitar terminology, different tunings, strumming patterns, string weight, difficult chords etc - they can come at a later date when you're ready to progress

SECONDLY

what guitar should you by?

you can get away with buying one you just like the look of or you favourite guitarist plays - nothing wrong with that - BUT going to a music shop to choose is the better way as the weight of the guitar, the feel of the neck, listening to the tonality (both of acoustic and electric guitars) and simply your own gut instinct will tell you if it's the right guitar for you

And don't be afraid of having to play in front of the assistant or people in the shop as the assistants are used to people who can't play and they actually prefer someone who is having a go rather than a show-off - and people walking around the shop couldn't really give 2 fucks either
if you need to then just say to the assistant that you feel nervous or you are a learner BUT you'll still need to hold the guitar and strum a few chords

if buying an electric guitar or an electro acoustic then I would hold off buying an amp because you're going to sound rubbish and so playing through an amp, you're going to sound like rubbish at loud volume - and then if you buy a cheap amp then you're going to sound even more rubbish
buy a good pair of headphones and a multi-pedal and then progress to an amp when you're more competent and confident - of course if you're making a band then you'll need an amp to jam along with your buddies to but if you're playing by yourself then there's no need to at such an early stage

how much should you pay for a guitar?

pay as much as you can because you will be paying for better quality BUT don't worry about buying a Strat for 3000 when you're just starting out, get a decent starter guitar which can range from 200 upwards - less if in a sale - of course try and pay as much as you can but don't sell your house for something that you may decide is not for you

I would be wary of buying second hand as a beginner because it could have wear and faults that put you off from playing it - if it does play properly!

and buying a cheap shitty guitar will sound cheap and shitty and you will sound cheap and shitty and it will put you off learning

a little bit of advice

you HAVE to keep the guitar tuned and you HAVE to practice A LOT
half an hour a day ain't gonna be enough if you want to progress - a minimum of 1-2 hours a day, and I mean a minimum, would benefit you massively
of course we can't all fit that amount of practice in but try your best to as it'll do you no end of good and you'll get a feel for your guitar and playing it and treating it like a friend NOT like a chore - you want to love your guitar like you love your favourite child and enjoy picking it up to play with it

last thing

Again - you HAVE to keep the guitar tuned and you HAVE to practice A LOT



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