Topic: Preview - QPR vs Liverpool, Sunday 30th December, 4pm

[Fairytale of 2005]

Yeah - that result against West Ham proved we have zero mental strength 

Their best player went off and the game changed. Let's all celebrate managing to come from behind once and ignore the umpteen examples of us being mentally weak.

[didi]

our record at Loftus Rd is pretty dire as far as I can remember...cant recall our last victory there

[El Ninos Black Eye]

our record at Loftus Rd is pretty dire as far as I can remember...cant recall our last victory there

It's not that bad, plus last year was the first time we've played in something 15 years in the League. Think your still having nightmares over the Milk Cup Semi in 86 like the rest of us. 

It was them plastic pitch days mainly we hated going there.

Since 1969 we've played 21, Won 12,Drawn 4 and Lost 5.   So not that bad.


Suarez is a slight doubt with Ankle injury but should play.  Expected he'd have some kind of knock after playing the Rugby team.

[didi]

It's not that bad, plus last year was the first time we've played in something 15 years in the League. Think your still having nightmares over the Milk Cup Semi in 86 like the rest of us. 

It was them plastic pitch days mainly we hated going there.

Since 1969 we've played 21, Won 12,Drawn 4 and Lost 5.   So not that bad.


Suarez is a slight doubt with Ankle injury but should play.  Expected he'd have some kind of knock after playing the Rugby team.

still having nightmares after last seasons game there...remember playing Fulham back in the 02/03 season i think there too and that lad with the fecking Zoro mask celebration scoring the winner, mind you i scored a cracking free kick that day

[kkjellquist]

Had forgotten this fixture last year was the high point of Coates' season with that wonder strike.  Too bad we screwed him in the end with the total collapse. 

This game and the Bolton loss IMO were two key losses contributing to the demise of Kenny.  The three game losing streak in between didn't help either.

I'm seeing 1-1.

[Bruce88]

Win this and it's 4 wins in 6?

Thats 2 ppg, comfortably top 4 form

The world may not be ending

See, this is what I mean, stop it. There is NO point in talking about the top 4. We're in the same situation we were the last couple of years, our squad is NOT good enough for a CL spot and it will take more than some new players to fix that. Is that so hard to understand? It will be a challenge to end in a EL spot, a CL spot is naive. No offence ofcourse.

[RogerTheRed]

Come On Redmen
Getting a bit sick of the emotional see saws! Need to start a string of a few results before going to OT

[helmboy_nige]

Can we shut the board down if we don't win?  Not sure I have the emotional strength to argue with anymore kneejerkers.

Anyway... it goes without saying that we should be expecting a performance from the players regardless of the result.  I have no real comments about who we should play.  We just simply need a win.

[TXRed]

We'll thump 'em 3-0. This team rebounds pretty well, and QPR are horrible. Think Suarez is going to have a field day with that back four and if he puts enough shots on goal, I bet Green gifts us one. 

Would like to see Henderson, Allen, and/or Sahin back in the midfield with Sterling starting. Shelvey will be on the bench for this one, and it wouldn't surprise me to see one of Gerrard/Lucas on the bench as well. But that just might be drugs kicking in. Really interested to see what BR does with the lineup for this one, as we've had the same lineup for the past two games. Think it's 100% assured that it won't be the same for this match.

[TXRed]

Can we shut the board down if we don't win?  Not sure I have the emotional strength to argue with anymore kneejerkers.

Haha no kidding.

[No Appreciation of Liverpool Opposition]

if we don't win this im going to be really really cross.

[Samie]

if we don't win this im going to be really really cross.

I'll put the Samaritans on standby mate.

[MobileBayRed]

Well, we have put ourselves in a right pickle.  Not winning at Stoke is hardly the Mayan apocolypse, but the manner in which we played demands an immediate response.  Hopefully, QPR will be an ever gracious host and roll over and play dead.

What ingenious goal will we concede this week?

Who will step up and redeem themselves after the Boxing Day debacle?  Will Allen return to the lineup next to Lucas?  Will Shelvey get a rest?

How about returning to Sterling-Suarez-Suso up front? 

The lads need to regain the forward momentum.  Hopefully we can get an early goal and go from there.

[Sat1]

3 points needed.

Fear is we won't get it as we always bend over for troubled teams

[Rattleduser]

going by the yo-yo then we win or at least get a draw

[GlenJohnson2]

Think this will be a draw.

[arcticus]

If we lose or draw to QPR, I'll never post in this forum ever.

[The 5th Benitle]

If we lose or draw to QPR, I'll never post in this forum ever.

That might soften the blow for the rest of us

[RK7]

If we lose or draw to QPR, I'll never post in this forum ever.

Your brave, QPR will fancy playing us right now.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

our record at Loftus Rd is pretty dire as far as I can remember...cant recall our last victory there

I remember us winning there around 1992/93, 1-0 on a Monday night thanks to Ronny Rosenthal.

[PROPER crazyemlyn72]

was in london to watch the "Rs" vs aston villa a couple of weeks ago. it was the worse direst football id ever seen. i mean it ended in a one all draw, but the fact that both teams scored was a miracle. so when it came to playing villa at home i knew it would be an easy win. that thought me.

now playing qpr im not so sure. they are terrible, how am i even worrying about this? have we got that bad? we should win this.

[No Appreciation of Liverpool Opposition]

I'll put the Samaritans on standby mate.

thanks man.

[Red Bird]

Their best player went off and the game changed. Let's all celebrate managing to come from behind once and ignore the umpteen examples of us being mentally weak.

And since when has that prevented us from losing a match. That's a myth., anyway, and we could equally argue that we'd been weakened by the injury to Enrique.

On to this match, I hope we freshen the personnel as I think we're getting lethargic and complacent.

[Fordy]

Can we shut the board down if we don't win?  Not sure I have the emotional strength to argue with anymore kneejerkers.

ha ha them kneejerkers have been around for 23 years or so.

Hate it when people who are concerned about things get called kneejerkers.

Anyway to QPR - Must win game - no excuses and thats not me being a kneejerker.

[jaffod]

Can we shut the board down if we don't win?  Not sure I have the emotional strength to argue with anymore kneejerkers.

Anyway... it goes without saying that we should be expecting a performance from the players regardless of the result.  I have no real comments about who we should play.  We just simply need a win.

Go and do something else then. Or is it all about you? People have got massive concerns right now about the state our club is in and that includes how the manager is performing (I'll assume that's what you're alluding to). Discussing these issues on a fan's website doesn't make them 'knee-jerkers'.

[TXRed]

Go and do something else then. Or is it all about you? People have got massive concerns right now about the state our club is in and that includes how the manager is performing (I'll assume that's what you're alluding to). Discussing these issues on a fan's website doesn't make them 'knee-jerkers'.

It does when they call for the manager's head. And before you say that didn't happen, yes it did. On a number of occasions right after the Stoke loss.

[jaffod]

It does when they call for the manager's head. And before you say that didn't happen, yes it did. On a number of occasions right after the Stoke loss.

Maybe they've held that opinion for a while and were simply re-iterating it. If that's their opinion you can either agree or disagree with it. Maybe they feel they have very valid reasons for holding it, who are you to label them knee-jerkers?

[vicgill]

Well, we have put ourselves in a right pickle.  Not winning at Stoke is hardly the Mayan apocolypse, but the manner in which we played demands an immediate response.  Hopefully, QPR will be an ever gracious host and roll over and play dead.

What ingenious goal will we concede this week?

Who will step up and redeem themselves after the Boxing Day debacle?  Will Allen return to the lineup next to Lucas?  Will Shelvey get a rest?

How about returning to Sterling-Suarez-Suso up front? 

The lads need to regain the forward momentum.  Hopefully we can get an early goal and go from there.

erm early goal is not necessarily a good thing, I think we have tried that one before and it didn't work

[Fordy]

It does when they call for the manager's head. And before you say that didn't happen, yes it did. On a number of occasions right after the Stoke loss.

That's still not kneejerkering though. As they has to be a reason why they're doing that. 

If some what to call for the managers head then thats up to them.

 I believe in supporting the manager but  it would be a lie to say I am not concerned and I don't believe anyone who say they aren't.

[The 5th Benitle]

If some want to call for the managers head then thats up to them.

Not on here.

[Skrtels Head]

Let's just hope they roll over and die like their neighbours Fulham........ They will probably have learnt a few lessons from watching Stoke and Villa batter us though I reckon...... I really don't know what to expect........ 

[stardorman]

The 2 late winners by Ronnie Rosy & Barnesy lead me to believe that a sweeping left footed winner in injurytime by the much maligned Stewarty 'Shush' Downing is on the cards

[Anywhichwayicant]

Not arsed about possession percentages, total shots, open goals missed, refereeing decisions, youngsters playing, midfield's inability to do defensive work, who we'll buy in January, where we'll be in 3 years time, what players don't suit 'The System', what 'arry has had for breakfast, lunch or dinner, I don't even care if Coates is sitting in the stand.


Anything less than 3 points is an unmitigated disaster, and totally inexcusable. There will be no positives, should we get anything less than 3 points, so don't try to spin any.

[Trailer_Trash]

That's still not kneejerkering though. As they has to be a reason why they're doing that. 

If some what to call for the managers head then thats up to them.

 I believe in supporting the manager but  it would be a lie to say I am not concerned and I don't believe anyone who say they aren't.

Doesn't 'knee-jerk' just refer to the short amount of time that hass passed between stimulus and response?

Thats why it is a knee jerk reaction. Half way through a season where virtually all were pleased to hear what he had to say at the start and agreed with his plans. Half a season.

Being concerned isn't demanding change. Its being concerned.

If people are demanding change now, they are without doubt knee-jerking. they have no idea how Rodgers' tenure is going to play out. Neither do i or anyone else. Thats why i can't imagine how anyone has been able to formulate so called 'valid reasons' for wanting him out so soon. (i know you weren't making that point, i just find the whole thing really frustrating)

[theredguy03]

Hope QPR don't win otherwise Redknapp will be hailed as some football god. The thought of it makes me shudder   

[Cid]

Maybe they've held that opinion for a while and were simply re-iterating it. If that's their opinion you can either agree or disagree with it. Maybe they feel they have very valid reasons for holding it, who are you to label them knee-jerkers?

Indeed. It's hardly knee jerking when we've been so bad.  I think you'd have to be blinf not to be concerned at the moment. There's not a single part of our team functioning. I don't dismiss people for their optimism any more than I do others for their pessimism. As a recent post wisely said, nobody has a clue whether Rodgers has what it takes.

Kenny got a season, Rodgers deserves the same imo. If come the end we're still languishing in the bottom half of the table and all we've got is cookery anecdotes then I'll be calling for his head. We are not an experiment, a plaything or a project for an inexperienced manager to learn on the job.

Progress is the goal, nothing less. I'm unhappy because I've seen very little thus far. I want to see something forming, a plan to fit our team. I don't want excuses about having the wrong players and having to replace them all.

[Fordy]

Doesn't 'knee-jerk' just refer to the short amount of time that hass passed between stimulus and response?

Thats why it is a knee jerk reaction. Half way through a season where virtually all were pleased to hear what he had to say at the start and agreed with his plans. Half a season.

Being 10th, not improving and concerned is not kneejerkering, mate.

It could be said that anyone who is happy with our current situation have dropped their standards.

I don't agree with anyone calling for the managers head but those concerned are not kneejerkers.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Being 10th, not improving and concerned is not kneejerkering, mate.

It could be said that anyone who is happy with our current situation have dropped their standards.

I don't agree with anyone calling for the managers head but those concerned are not kneejerkers.

We're 10th in December though. Table position only counts at the end of the season. If we were 12th in the league but only 5 points off first place in an unbelievably tight league season in December, would that be cause for concern, or would you be happy that we were only 5 points off the top?

[Fordy]

Anyway back to the game.

This is a big test for the manager. I believe he has to mix things up a bit now - Hendo, Coates, Sterling and even Dani should be coming into consideration for this one.

Maybe its time to bin 4-3-3 as well.

QPR are going to come out fighting. This is going to be a tough match.

[Fordy]

We're 10th in December though. Table position only counts at the end of the season. If we were 12th in the league but only 5 points off first place in an unbelievably tight league season in December, would that be cause for concern, or would you be happy that we were only 5 points off the top?

No mate the table never lies. We're we're where we're at - midtable.

At the end of the season is where we finish but currently is saying"not good enough and we need to improve".