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The time has come

Mikey
10 (30.3%)
FlashGordon
8 (24.2%)
Viva
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Trend
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Voting closed: February 22, 2020, 04:33:17 PM

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Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« on: February 21, 2020, 04:33:17 PM »
Who goes through to the final?

Please no tactical fouls  ;D



Mikey





FlashGordon





Viva Bobby





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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2020, 04:41:12 PM »
Trend and Viva make your cases, can't choose between them

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2020, 05:25:41 PM »
Trend and Viva make your cases, can't choose between them

Actually, I think Bobby's 4-5-1 might cause us a lot of problems on the counter.   I would be worried about our right side with overlapping runs by Stielike and Brietner fed by Deco.
Also, Rivera, Cruyff and Van Persie and their combination play, angled runs are a real problem for any team.  Their different skill sets poses a substantial pick your poison problem for my 3 CB's, even with outstanding wingbacks like we have in Schnellinger/Thuram.
I think the overall case to be made for Bobby is two fold:

1. Nice expression of a Dutch 4-3-3 formation, specific positioning to suit their strengths using German and Dutch players primarily with a few skill players who could play in any league in the world (Deco, Zubi) - at times it looks like a 4-2-4 and at others 4-3-3 (flexibility)
2. Johann Cruyff in a free role with talent all around him - makes everyone else better.

So, to get the to the finals, I would say we have a few "small" things to consider for team Trend. 

First, allow me to say that I am not familiar with his CB pairing specifics (other than a little name recognition) - never saw them play.  This does not mean much.  I do like our 3 strong CB's with very different leadership styles/skills/talent in the middle of defense pushing Albertini/Case into midfield pressure pockets from which to squeeze the opposition between them (rock) and our front three (a hard place) from which to counter. 

Second, I do like how our back 5 with wingbacks. They have the flexibility to control the defensive third of the pitch centrally and out wide -- especially with the doggedness of Case and Albertini covering centrally when Vogts or Ayala get pulled out.

Third, while I love Bobby's team shape - I like ours too.  The free reign that Bobby's top three have is similar to ours -- except both our teams want to attack different spaces - who has the most success in doing so, I cannot tell you.

Lastly, I am not sure I can make the specific case our team is better, blah blah blah ----> but I can say whomever gets to the final, I think has a great chance to win the whole kit and kaboodle.

Good luck Viva, outstanding team you got there mate.
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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2020, 05:46:53 PM »
Yeah I'm stuck. I think this is the real final too, Defacto has ruined this entire draft by not rigging it like UEFA do.

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2020, 05:56:09 PM »
6 German internationals, four of them schooled at Bayern, with Kaltz and Babbel able to alternate on the right and Steilike and Breitner similarly on the left without losing that German organisation and determination to keep clean sheets. All conditioned to play important finals for club and Country and a rock solid base for the front 4. Rivera and Cruyff in tandem would be something special; Deco has merit and say what you like about Van Persie but he knows where the net is...and he would get plenty of opportunities to prove that.

4231 could become 433 easily whilst 343 with Steilike moving into the midfield as he did so well for Madrid gives the team such flexibility. Dutch magic, with a hint of Portuguese and Italian spice, grounded in German resilience makes my team hard to beat....and then there's Cruyff...

EDIT: ...Not forgetting Zubizarreta in goal...

Regarding  this match up , I've already stated how much I love trend's front 3 who are all favourites of mine from yesteryear so would hope my German rearguard could cope with them. Organised and resilient, they would need to be along with his two wing backs who I would need to force back.  I have Breitner and Babbel to do that leavig Didi to get amongst the midfield and Deco is not afraid to put his foot in. But my attack has real potential against trends back 3. i also stated in an earlier round that I was unsure abut Smithy in a 3. If there's a weakness there, my word, Van Persie, Rivera and especially Cruyff, have the tools to exploit it. For example, Tommy was part of our defence that was put to the sword 5-1 in 1966 by Cruyff's brilliant Ajax fledglings.

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2020, 05:59:38 PM »
Actually, I think Bobby's 4-5-1 might cause us a lot of problems on the counter.   I would be worried about our right side with overlapping runs by Stielike and Brietner fed by Deco.
Also, Rivera, Cruyff and Van Persie and their combination play, angled runs are a real problem for any team.  Their different skill sets poses a substantial pick your poison problem for my 3 CB's, even with outstanding wingbacks like we have in Schnellinger/Thuram.
I think the overall case to be made for Bobby is two fold:

1. Nice expression of a Dutch 4-3-3 formation, specific positioning to suit their strengths using German and Dutch players primarily with a few skill players who could play in any league in the world (Deco, Zubi) - at times it looks like a 4-2-4 and at others 4-3-3 (flexibility)
2. Johann Cruyff in a free role with talent all around him - makes everyone else better.

So, to get the to the finals, I would say we have a few "small" things to consider for team Trend. 

First, allow me to say that I am not familiar with his CB pairing specifics (other than a little name recognition) - never saw them play.  This does not mean much.  I do like our 3 strong CB's with very different leadership styles/skills/talent in the middle of defense pushing Albertini/Case into midfield pressure pockets from which to squeeze the opposition between them (rock) and our front three (a hard place) from which to counter. 

Second, I do like how our back 5 with wingbacks. They have the flexibility to control the defensive third of the pitch centrally and out wide -- especially with the doggedness of Case and Albertini covering centrally when Vogts or Ayala get pulled out.

Third, while I love Bobby's team shape - I like ours too.  The free reign that Bobby's top three have is similar to ours -- except both our teams want to attack different spaces - who has the most success in doing so, I cannot tell you.

Lastly, I am not sure I can make the specific case our team is better, blah blah blah ----> but I can say whomever gets to the final, I think has a great chance to win the whole kit and kaboodle.

Good luck Viva, outstanding team you got there mate.

Very fair, mate. All the very best :wave
« Last Edit: February 21, 2020, 06:34:24 PM by vivabobbycurmudgeongraham »
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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2020, 06:46:13 PM »
Yeah I'm stuck. I think this is the real final too, Defacto has ruined this entire draft by not rigging it like UEFA do.

Should have rigged myself into the semis  >:( :D

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2020, 07:30:50 PM »
Regarding the other semi, flash has had a remarkable run thus far but I fear it is about to end against mikey's impressive team. He knocked out my favourite, BB, far to readily for my liking, thus deserves his place in the final
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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2020, 07:32:23 PM »
Regarding the other semi, flash has had a remarkable run thus far but I fear it is about to end against mikey's impressive team. He knocked out my favourite, BB, far to readily for my liking, thus deserves his place in the final

Flash has a good team, still bewildered how I lost but RAWK's magic continues  ;D

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2020, 07:35:47 PM »
Flash has a good team, still bewildered how I lost but RAWK's magic continues  ;D

I've been bewildered during the last 3 drafts btw

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2020, 07:43:19 PM »
I've been bewildered during the last 3 drafts btw

Tactical fou.... voting  :D

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2020, 07:49:53 PM »
Flash has a good team, still bewildered how I lost but RAWK's magic continues  ;D

Very good team, I agree, as it had to be to beat yours. Both semi's are tight but  I make mikey slight favourite as it stands as I believe Rushy and KK, might just know their way around Nealy, Thommo and crazy horse. At the other end, that CB partnership is the best in the draft. It could only be bettered by adding my boy Schwartzenbeck who was The Kaisers sidekick for club and country for many years and  won a sackful of trophies together including 74 World Cup
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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2020, 08:02:24 PM »
Since I'm retired from drafting due to pro-nonce sentiment on RAWK, I'll tell you who I voted for without fearing repurcussions.

Flash - two very even teams, ended up coming down to loving Canizares and not really caring for Taffarel.

Trend - flipped a coin, no clue who to pick.

Lots of mancs around here, you fucks.

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2020, 09:17:55 PM »
Feel like it's slipping away from me to be honest. I was tempted to write up a reason why this shouldn't be the case but I'm off out to enjoy a few Guinness instead, seems like a better use of my time  ;D Guinness is good for you  ;)
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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2020, 09:52:43 PM »
Hey lads, as things stand now it looks like Viva and Mikey in the final.  Two very good teams in my estimation.

If I were to rank the teams, I would have had the semis

Viva v Betty
Hazell/DeFacto v Mikey

I think DeFacto was hard done by and my team a bit overrated with my CM's good but not great. 

I would have been lucky to make the final. In terms of how these teams fallout, my final would have been

Viva v Hazell or DeFacto *** even though Mikey's team is very good too.

In the end, I would want to see the write ups and individual matchups - we'll see tomorrow though.

Its been good fun lads, well out to all of you.  Surprised we have not heard from Robbie or Lonestar here -- hope you guys are doing well and not disaffected by the results.

My energy (most of the time) is with the drafting construction of team building - hope we all do more and keep learning about this beautiful game!

Cheers
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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2020, 10:31:00 PM »
I think Trend's front line would get a fair bit of joy against Vivas back 4. I think it would turn in to a bit of a shooting contest between the attacks. Probably a 5+ goal game I'd say.
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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2020, 01:07:19 PM »
Viva & Mikey's teams have been among the best for a long while now, so it has played out okay in the end,  even though I would've thought other teams could've fancied their chances to the semis. I think mine & DeFacto's teams were among those who could've got there, VAR says it wasn't a 'clear & obvious error', and so it has played out.

Congrats Viva & Mikey.

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2020, 01:12:18 PM »
Viva & Mikey's teams have been among the best for a long while now, so it has played out okay in the end,  even though I would've thought other teams could've fancied their chances to the semis. I think mine & DeFacto's teams were among those who could've got there, VAR says it wasn't a 'clear & obvious error', and so it has played out.

Congrats Viva & Mikey.

Well said  :D

Mikey seems to be heading to a back to back draft final, having won the last one as well, can he defend his crown?  8)

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2020, 01:17:26 PM »
Viva & Mikey's teams have been among the best for a long while now, so it has played out okay in the end,  even though I would've thought other teams could've fancied their chances to the semis. I think mine & DeFacto's teams were among those who could've got there, VAR says it wasn't a 'clear & obvious error', and so it has played out.

Congrats Viva & Mikey.

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2020, 07:55:55 PM »
True PIM, sorry to leave you out if the above analysis (seems that I forgot all of the teams unfairly) - my aging forgetful mind.

Oh we had plenty of good teams here. I'll let you off with a handshake for now, but I'm preparing my gloves for the next draft  ;)

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Re: Semi-Finals, Mikey vs FlashGordon, Viva vs Trend
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2020, 10:08:37 PM »
Viva & Mikey's teams have been among the best for a long while now, so it has played out okay in the end,  even though I would've thought other teams could've fancied their chances to the semis. I think mine & DeFacto's teams were among those who could've got there, VAR says it wasn't a 'clear & obvious error', and so it has played out.

Congrats Viva & Mikey.

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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2020, 10:09:26 PM »
Well said  :D

Mikey seems to be heading to a back to back draft final, having won the last one as well, can he defend his crown?  8)

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2020, 10:24:36 PM »
Hey lads, as things stand now it looks like Viva and Mikey in the final.  Two very good teams in my estimation.

If I were to rank the teams, I would have had the semis

Viva v Betty
Hazell/DeFacto v Mikey

I think DeFacto was hard done by and my team a bit overrated with my CM's good but not great. 

I would have been lucky to make the final. In terms of how these teams fallout, my final would have been

Viva v Hazell or DeFacto *** even though Mikey's team is very good too.

In the end, I would want to see the write ups and individual matchups - we'll see tomorrow though.

Its been good fun lads, well out to all of you.  Surprised we have not heard from Robbie or Lonestar here -- hope you guys are doing well and not disaffected by the results.

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Cheers

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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2020, 10:29:27 PM »
Hey I draft, I draft real good.

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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2020, 11:37:39 PM »
Hey I draft, I draft real good.

Soon to be a 4x Draft Champion of Rawk and my wins have all come in footie drafts. 8)

I noticed Samie! Congrats on the finals in the other draft, although Tubby still has a good chance. 

If you get to the finals, maybe you will eventually get a vote from me.  :))))))
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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2020, 11:38:29 PM »
Hey I draft, I draft real good.

Soon to be a 4x Draft Champion of Rawk and my wins have all come in footie drafts. 8)

Which are the four drafts?
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2020, 11:45:23 PM »
I've won 3 so far. The fourth one will be the Kick Ass draft being run by Titi at the moment.

Fuck knows the names of them mate. One of them was the Tautogram draft or something like that. ;D

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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2020, 11:55:42 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2020, 11:59:08 PM »
I've won 3 so far. The fourth one will be the Kick Ass draft being run by Titi at the moment.

Fuck knows the names of them mate. One of them was the Tautogram draft or something like that. ;D

AKA the luck draft  ;D

The other one as I remember was when you drew Brazil in the Battle of the Nations draft. Not sure what the third one was.
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2020, 12:09:11 AM »
Fuck off! Luck draft my left arse cheek.  ;D

And hey isn't it apt that I someone who displays flair on these drafts was chosen by the football Gods and Pele to have Brazil?  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2020, 06:07:47 AM »
Fuck off! Luck draft my left arse cheek.  ;D

And hey isn't it apt that I someone who displays flair on these drafts was chosen by the football Gods and Pele to have Brazil?  ;D

Ha ha ha. Wtf was that?