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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #760 on: June 22, 2014, 05:50:12 pm »
I actually sent an email to him earlier.  Not holding my breath on getting any sort of response.
Well at least he's deleted the comments which is a response of sorts. I reckon he'll think twice before jumping on that particular bandwagon again...Then again never underestimate the power of stupidity.
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #761 on: June 23, 2014, 01:20:17 am »
Suarez should sue him.

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Dudley North MP Ian Austin sorry for Holocaust claim

A West Midlands MP has apologised "unreservedly" for suggesting that a Palestinian human rights group had denied the Holocaust happened.

Friends of Al-Aqsa (FOA) said Ian Austin, Labour MP for Dudley North, made the reference about the group in an article on the Labour Uncut Website last year.

Ismail Patel, the Chair of FOA, said: "We welcome the apology. It is a tragedy that such a serious allegation was levelled against FOA."

Mr Austin said: "This was an error."

Mr Austin had referred to the "so-called holocaust" which the FOA said referred to material published in the early 1990's before the group was established.

In a statement on the Labour Uncut website, Mr Austin said: "The publication in which this phrase was used was written by someone else, and had nothing to do with the FOA.

"The article had the effect of wrongly labelling FOA as Holocaust deniers and I apologise unreservedly for making this allegation."
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The article has been removed from the Labour Uncut website.

Mr Patel said the apology set the record straight.

He said: "FOA has always reiterated the tragedy of the holocaust in numerous publications and such false allegations are not only unjust but completely unfounded.

"Our work is aimed at bringing peace for all people in the region and false accusations like this must be challenged and routed out.

"FOA plans to continue with its work, and we mark this apology as a victory for all of those seeking dialogue as a first step towards peace in the region."
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #762 on: June 23, 2014, 01:58:13 am »
Well at least he's deleted the comments which is a response of sorts. I reckon he'll think twice before jumping on that particular bandwagon again...Then again never underestimate the power of stupidity.

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #763 on: July 2, 2014, 01:15:09 am »
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #764 on: July 2, 2014, 10:51:59 pm »

Dennis Skinner voted off Labour national executive committee
Veteran MP replaced by John Healey after reportedly irritating Ed Miliband's office



Dennis Skinner, the scourge of Tory prime ministers from Ted Heath to David Cameron who was dubbed the "Beast of Bolsover", has been voted off Labour's governing national executive committee, prompting an outcry from across the party.

Hours after the veteran MP for Bolsover had taunted the prime minister as a member of the Bullingdon Club responsible for wrecking the NHS, the party announced that he had been unseated.

Skinner, 82, who was first elected to parliament in 1970, was replaced in the NEC backbench MPs' section by the former minister John Healey after reportedly irritating Ed Miliband's office. The other backbenchers elected to the NEC were the former deputy leader Margaret Beckett and the Liverpool Walton MP Steve Rotheram.

The removal of the veteran leftwinger prompted a strong reaction. John McDonnell, a fellow leftwinger, tweeted: "Dennis Skinner voted off Labour's NEC by Labour MPs. Sign of how distant from reality and from the views of our members some of them are."

John Mann, the MP for Bassetlaw, tweeted: "Naive political immaturity in parliamentary Labour party in knocking Dennis Skinner off NEC in election year."

Jim Murphy, the Blairite shadow international development secretary, tweeted: "Really sorry to hear that Dennis Skinner was voted off Labour's NEC today. A brilliant MP & good friend. Hopefully he'll make NEC comeback."

The treatment of Skinner contrasts with his experience while Tony Blair was leader of the Labour party. Blair courted Skinner and used to invite him to his office for chats.

One party source said Skinner had been a victim of the leadership's determination to ensure that Healey, a loyalist, was elected to the NEC.

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #765 on: July 2, 2014, 11:04:31 pm »
It wont be long before you will have to have had an Oxbridge education before they will let you join the Labour Party. ::)
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #766 on: July 4, 2014, 11:19:25 am »
Dennis Skinner voted off Labour national executive committee
Veteran MP replaced by John Healey after reportedly irritating Ed Miliband's office

Before we get too outraged, let's remember that that article also states Steve Rotheram has been elected onto it, which itself is fantastic...

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« Reply #767 on: July 4, 2014, 05:08:05 pm »
Before we get too outraged, let's remember that that article also states Steve Rotheram has been elected onto it, which itself is fantastic...
I don't think anyone is outraged I think its more a feeling of sadness. 

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #768 on: July 5, 2014, 08:52:47 am »
I don't think anyone is outraged I think its more a feeling of sadness.

Agreed Yorky, just sadness, deepened by the fact that the fella's not really very well and should retire, he deserves a retirement, but likely that he won't get one.

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #769 on: July 12, 2014, 08:49:58 pm »
Had the privilege of seeing Dennis Skinner speak today at the Durham Miners Gala.

Could write hyperbole for three pages worth of this thread of how good he was, still wouldn't do it justice. 
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #770 on: July 21, 2014, 08:38:35 pm »

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #771 on: July 21, 2014, 11:09:50 pm »
The thought of the leader of the opposition flying out to Washington for only a  30 minute meeting with the president has In the Loop all over it.

Thought Ed was going to answer his phone half way through to Peter Capaldi swearing down the phone at him.

Could we worse I suppose. Could be downing tequilla shots on a Sunday morning on channel 4 with Tim Lovejoy ;)

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #772 on: July 22, 2014, 12:28:42 pm »
The thought of the leader of the opposition flying out to Washington for only a  30 minute meeting with the president has In the Loop all over it.

Thought Ed was going to answer his phone half way through to Peter Capaldi swearing down the phone at him.

Could we worse I suppose. Could be downing tequilla shots on a Sunday morning on channel 4 with Tim Lovejoy ;)
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #773 on: July 22, 2014, 06:49:58 pm »
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Idiot isn't the word mate. Seems almost symptomatic of some sort of mental breakdown due to the pressure, it's that ridiculous. People are still waiting for Labour to 'get their act together'... well this is it, this how it's gona be till election night. Scandalous, really. 
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« Reply #774 on: July 22, 2014, 06:55:25 pm »
^ It should be stated that this is apparently a mini-interview, where typically only one of the answers is used on the broadcast. But the fact he basically gave the same answer to every question in such a  stilted, scripted way is what irks me.
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #775 on: July 22, 2014, 07:45:15 pm »

the bloke's an idiot

All I could think of when watching that was 'what would he look like if he was bald?'

He needs to take his own advice and 'put aside the rhetoric', just another career politician not actually saying what he is thinking and repeating slogans and rhetoric.

I don't feel like he is a human when I listen to him, and that goes for many others too, not just Ed.
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« Reply #776 on: July 25, 2014, 02:22:32 pm »
Interesting direction by Ed today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28459474

Labour leader Ed Miliband has attempted to confront his perceived image problem - by saying it is not his top priority.

In a speech launching his party's summer offensive, he said he was "not going to able to compete" with David Cameron's slick approach.

But he said he wanted to offer voters "something different" at next year's general election.

"The leadership this country needs is one that has big ideas to change things," said the Labour leader.

Mr Miliband's personal ratings trail behind those of his party and in June fell to the lowest ever recorded in an ICM-Guardian poll - a distinction he shared with Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.

Mr Cameron's ratings were also down but he remains well ahead of his two main rivals, particularly when voters are asked about who looks the "most prime ministerial".

Labour fears the Conservatives will target Mr Miliband personally at next year's general election, wrecking the party's chances of gaining power.

In what could be seen as an attempt to head off criticism, Mr Miliband spoke about some of the gaffes he has been accused of committing in recent months - including holding up a copy of The Sun and struggling to eat a bacon sandwich, as well as caricatures of him as Wallace from the Wallace and Gromit animations.


He said he wanted to stand up to powerful vested interests such as Rupert Murdoch, but added: "Sometimes you get it wrong. I know, especially for people on Merseyside, me holding up a copy of the Sun was one of those days."

Mr Miliband said big ideas and principles were more important than image and Labour had the right policies on dealing with "the cost of living crisis", tackling low pay and building more homes.

He said: "David Cameron is a very sophisticated and successful exponent of a politics based purely on image.

'Central casting'

"I am not going to be able to compete with that and I don't intend to. I want to offer something different.

"I am not from central casting. You can find people who are more square-jawed, more chiselled. Look less like Wallace.

"You could probably even find people who look better eating a bacon sandwich.

"If you want the politician from central casting, it's just not me, it's the other guy."

But he said his version of political leadership was about sticking to principles even when it was hard, caring about people's lives and not leaving decency behind at the door of Number 10, like the "callous Conservative" David Cameron.

Mr Miliband's speech, at the Royal Institute of British Architects in London, launched Labour's summer campaign, seen as an attempt to hit back at critics who accused the party of taking its eye off the ball during last year's parliamentary recess.

He said shadow cabinet members would be making a series of speeches about the "positive vision for the future from Labour".

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #777 on: July 25, 2014, 03:48:25 pm »
He's fair and honest in that. Politicians are held up for ridicule so much but they are people at the end of the day. I can understand why he help up the copy of the s*n because he's not a Liverpool fan or from Liverpool. His advisors are at fault for that IMO for not doing research.

He's acknowledged he has got a bad image over this last year so at least he's trying to take away the broom the press beat him with.
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« Reply #778 on: July 29, 2014, 10:31:42 am »
He's fair and honest in that. Politicians are held up for ridicule so much but they are people at the end of the day. I can understand why he help up the copy of the s*n because he's not a Liverpool fan or from Liverpool. His advisors are at fault for that IMO for not doing research.

He's acknowledged he has got a bad image over this last year so at least he's trying to take away the broom the press beat him with.
Probably the best tactic available to him to fend off all that. But he really needs to ramp up the substance and integrity of what comes out of his oblong Wensleydale-hole for it not to be seen as just another bit of spin, strategised round the conference table by his advisers and passed to him on easy-to-memorise cue cards.

He fucking better and all.
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #779 on: July 30, 2014, 11:58:36 am »
It's a fucking indictment of how little Labour have said/done of any substance during this Parliament that, in two years this thread is only on 20 pages...

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« Reply #780 on: July 30, 2014, 12:56:33 pm »
I've been trying to find out Labour's latest position on a VAT cut. I know they were against the rise to 20%, but there were some suggestions last year that Milliband would not look to change it back down if elected. Does anyone know Labour's position on this, or will we need to wait for their manifesto?
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« Reply #781 on: July 30, 2014, 01:04:25 pm »
I've been trying to find out Labour's latest position on a VAT cut. I know they were against the rise to 20%, but there were some suggestions last year that Milliband would not look to change it back down if elected. Does anyone know Labour's position on this, or will we need to wait for their manifesto?

That seems to be their position on most things - oppose what the Tories are doing initially but then not actually reverse it when they are in power.

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« Reply #782 on: July 30, 2014, 01:06:22 pm »
Remember when the chocolate companies reduced the weight of their bars during the recession to avoid hiking prices?  I want to know when they're putting the weight back up again!
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« Reply #783 on: July 30, 2014, 02:58:19 pm »
Remember when the chocolate companies reduced the weight of their bars during the recession to avoid hiking prices?  I want to know when they're putting the weight back up again!

They will reintroduce as them as new bigger size versions at a higher price, then gradually reduce them in size and the cycle goes on and on.

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« Reply #784 on: July 30, 2014, 03:09:01 pm »
Remember when the chocolate companies reduced the weight of their bars during the recession to avoid hiking prices?  I want to know when they're putting the weight back up again!
Chocolate is actually recession proof Sales and Profits go up, but inflation does effect the price of ingredients. so I don't think it will come back down.
It's a fucking indictment of how little Labour have said/done of any substance during this Parliament that, in two years this thread is only on 20 pages...
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« Reply #785 on: July 30, 2014, 04:55:32 pm »
They will reintroduce as them as new bigger size versions at a higher price, then gradually reduce them in size and the cycle goes on and on.
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« Reply #786 on: July 30, 2014, 05:15:30 pm »
Remember when the chocolate companies reduced the weight of their bars during the recession to avoid hiking prices?  I want to know when they're putting the weight back up again!

Never mind chocolate, what about crisps? Same sized bags but with about 3 crisps in. They'd never get away with selling a mars bar about a quarter of the size of the wrapper, which is inflated with air to look like the old size. Should be a law against it.
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #787 on: August 26, 2014, 04:11:26 pm »
Labour party topic, not yet another Scottish Referendum topic.

Find / create a topic where it is directly relevant. This topic is about Ed's abject failure to be noticed other than when he screws up.

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« Reply #788 on: August 26, 2014, 04:13:41 pm »
Labour party topic, not yet another Scottish Referendum topic.

Find / create a topic where it is directly relevant. This topic is about Ed's abject failure to be noticed other than when he screws up.
Fair enough but most of the Independence debate threads have ended up locked, with it being so close is it ok to create a new topic or re-open one?

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« Reply #789 on: August 26, 2014, 04:19:13 pm »
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=315880.0

There, I was actually arsed to do something. Scots stuff split out into a new topic. That way, this one is left intact when the other one inevitably gets locked.

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« Reply #790 on: August 26, 2014, 04:33:57 pm »
Labour Party topic

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #791 on: August 26, 2014, 05:16:04 pm »
Labour party topic, not yet another Scottish Referendum topic.

Find / create a topic where it is directly relevant. This topic is about Ed's abject failure to be noticed other than when he screws up.

That's why I struggled to find this thread then. :)
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« Reply #792 on: August 27, 2014, 11:23:57 am »
Labour Party topic


See I don't get this at all, when people go on as if the Labour party are betraying their principles by campaigning for a No vote.  When were the Labour party ever in favour of Scottish independence? 

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« Reply #793 on: August 27, 2014, 12:37:36 pm »
And I think his Great Great Grandad would probably not be on twitter either.
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« Reply #794 on: August 27, 2014, 12:43:45 pm »
See I don't get this at all, when people go on as if the Labour party are betraying their principles by campaigning for a No vote.  When were the Labour party ever in favour of Scottish independence?
I agree. not to de-rail this again with Scottish independence but I don't fully understand the outrage. Alot of Scots voted for Labour at the last general election so of course they want them to stay in the UK.
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #795 on: August 27, 2014, 01:11:29 pm »
Isn't the issue in the Scottish Labour Party the union block vote issue?

The accusations of union pressure etc which were denied etc etc
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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #796 on: August 27, 2014, 01:12:57 pm »
I agree. not to de-rail this again with Scottish independence but I don't fully understand the outrage. Alot of Scots voted for Labour at the last general election so of course they want them to stay in the UK.
The fact they're kind of sharing a platform with the Tories might be unfortunate but do people really expect them to change their stance on separatism simply because the Tories have the same view?

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« Reply #797 on: August 27, 2014, 04:27:04 pm »
The fact they're kind of sharing a platform with the Tories might be unfortunate but do people really expect them to change their stance on separatism simply because the Tories have the same view?

The issue is not with them supporting the Union, they are entitled to that opinion. It's with deserting their core principles and being pretty much red tories.  That's why more and more labour voters are planning to vote yes. 

I agree. not to de-rail this again with Scottish independence but I don't fully understand the outrage. Alot of Scots voted for Labour at the last general election so of course they want them to stay in the UK.

Bear in mind that a lot of people only vote for Labour in Scotland to keep the Tories out of Westminster - see the difference between the 2010 General Election and 2011 Scottish Election.

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #798 on: August 27, 2014, 05:14:19 pm »
The issue is not with them supporting the Union, they are entitled to that opinion. It's with deserting their core principles and being pretty much red tories.  That's why more and more labour voters are planning to vote yes. 
I know many think Labour have gone too far to the right in general, but in terms of this debate they'd have been campaigning for a No even at the height of their left wing days under Attlee etc.

There might be Labour voters voting Yes but there will also be SNP voters voting No.

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Re: The Labour Party Thread.
« Reply #799 on: August 27, 2014, 09:07:23 pm »
Any chance we could avoid bogging this thread down with the Scottish issue?  I realise there's Labour stuff involved in the debate but it should be in a Scottish independence thread imo.
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